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Can Everyone Accept God

If a child is raised in the jungle by animals( Tarzan?) and never speaks to a human about GOD. When he dies will he go to heaven? Does GOD give everyone the opportunity to accept HIM????Scripture please<><
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Hello Linda and thank you for your email. Sorry to hear about your computer. I will save the material you send me.
---Lupe2618 on 10/3/05


Thank you sister Linda, I will answer you by weekend. Thanks, nice to see you on line again.
---Lupe2618 on 9/29/05


Justin, A person can support any false doctrine if they take an offer isolated verses out of context. If you read the context in Romans, Paul is saying the Jew is equally guilty of sin like a Gentile sinner, eventhough they should know better. That is what is meant by "all", and not all in the sense of all people, even the righteous; for there is no condemnation to the righteous. Notice that all adopted sin from the first parents until the law. Romans 5:13,14. Please read Matthew 9:10-13.
---Eloy on 9/28/05


Tina, like Lupe, my response to you is too long to put on here. If you will just e-mail me through my pen pal id (linda9974), I will send it to you...or if you would like to use my personal e-mail address found in my profile, that's okay too. It would be easier if you would use the personal address since there is no word max but if you don't feel comfortable using that, then the other is fine. Although it has a word max also, at least I won't be taking up several blog entries to respond.
---Linda_Smith on 9/27/05


PART II - Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" (John 14:6). So we see clearly that everyone is guilty of sin, everyone is condemned to eternal punishment, but there is one way to forgiveness. And yes, to recieve that forgiveness, we must hear about it, because without it, "There is none righteous, not even one" (Psalm 14:1, Romans 3:10).
---Justin on 9/27/05




PART I - Everyone on earth stands condemned, first by our inherhited sin (Romans 5:12) and second because of our own sin (Romans 3:23). Later, Romans goes on to say that there is a stiff penalty for this sin that we all have committed (6:23). There is only one way that God has provided for us to be forgiven of these sins.
---Justin on 9/27/05


The hunger itself is not a hunger born of our own imaginations but His hunger for us...and I believe that every man, at some point in time, experiences that hunger because God loves all and has reconciled all men to Himself in Christ. As soon as man recognizes that hunger, he then uses his measure of faith to believe.
---Linda_Smith on 9/27/05


I can't even imagine someone standing before Father God and saying, "You never showed Yourself to me. You never came to me." Eternity is set in the hearts of men and in the deepest recesses of our hearts, we long to know the Creator. That longing gets twisted as man begins to try to fill that void with his own ideas but a heart truly seeking the God of love will never be left searching.
---Linda_Smith on 9/27/05


He is all powerful, all knowing, and all present and can do exceedingly abundantly above all we can even ask or think. Job says to look to the beasts of the earth, they will testify of the goodness of God. Everything God created is a testimony to who He is and what He has done and He only holds us accountable for what He has shown us.
---Linda_Smith on 9/27/05


Lupe, just e-mail me using my penpal id (linda9974) or my home e-mail address (if you still have it). What I typed out is way too long to try to put it on here. In regards to the question asked, I believe that Father God leaves no man without an opportunity to receive Jesus. He has given to every man a measure of faith and Jesus is the light that lights EVERY MAN who comes into the world. God would not be true to His nature if He left even one person on the face of the earth without an opportunity.
---Linda_Smith on 9/27/05




Hello Linda, I also, like Tina like most of what you put down and it sounds great and all but are you also saying you are without sin? If you are then you two must be the only ones made perfect already. Though your answer falls short in answering the question above, how do you feel about it? I would like to hear that answer.
---Lupe2618 on 9/27/05


Well, Father God said it first and no one says it better than He does :).
---Linda_Smith on 9/26/05


I agree Linda but that doesn't mean that our flesh cannot sin. Eloy; I assume you have been baptized by the Holy Ghost?
---Rebecca_D on 9/26/05


Linda,
I do not disagree with most of what you say, but where does scripture teach us that we cease to be sinners in this life? It is true we *reckon* ourselves dead to sin, yet we remain sinners and saints at the same time. Indeed, we die daily by repentance and faith. If we have no sin, we have no need of repentance.
---Tina5349 on 9/26/05


Linda Smith, i could not have said it better. God bless you.
---Eloy on 9/26/05


The whole floor (where the priests walked) of the the Tabernacle of Moses was dirt in every dimension signifying that this walk is a walk in the earth by the true tabernacle of God that we are (along with kings and priests). The body of the sins of the flesh is put off by faith and we mortify the deeds of the body by faith and we die daily by faith. We take up our cross by faith (His cross was our cross) and walk in Christ Jesus our Lord just as we have received Him...by faith.
---Linda_Smith on 9/26/05


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Then He says, "Walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh." Colossians says, "If we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit." Sounds to me like walking in the spirit is a walk of faith in what Jesus did in making a provision for the flesh. If you are waiting until you die to walk in the spirit, then you won't walk in it because dead men don't walk.
---Linda_Smith on 9/26/05


The Word declares in Romans 6 that our old man of flesh was crucified with Him, that we are to reckon ourselves dead INDEED unto sin and alive unto God, and then yield our members as instruments of righteousness. This is called a "living sacrifice, HOLY and acceptable unto God". Then to top that off, He says, "You are not IN the flesh but IN the spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you."
---Linda_Smith on 9/26/05


Tina, Obeying and confessing to God is a work. And if you have no works, then you have no salvation. "For whoever WILL CALL UPON the Name of YHWH will be saved...WORK OUT your own salvation with fear and trembling." Romans 10:13; Philippians 2:12. "My soul will make its boast in YHWH: the humble will hear, and be glad. All who redeemed by YHWH will say, everyone whom he redeemed from the hand of the enemy." Psalm 34:2; 107:2.
---Eloy on 9/26/05


I think that some think that if they just obey Jesus' commandments then they don't sin. Eloy: We (including you) won't be free from sin unless we die or Jesus comes back. The inner man doesn't sin, but the outter man (flesh) does. You prove to me that the flesh doesn't sin? 1 Jn 3:9 talks about spiritualy.
---Rebecca_D on 9/25/05


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Scripture also says: Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 2 Cor. 11:30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.

Good works follow faith, they do not create faith. The law shows us our sin, it does not save us.
---Tina5349 on 9/25/05


Alan, the work in salvation is obedience, obeying the commandments of Christ: the participating work of a lost person is realizing the need for salvation, humbling the heart in prayer, and opening the mouth, and asking for it- confessing and repenting is an action and a work. And after salvation YOU WORK DOING THE WORKS OF CHRIST, and share your gift of salvation with others. Not all who say, Lord, Lord, will enter into heaven, but those who DO THE WILL of my Father. For FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS 100% DEAD.
---Eloy on 9/25/05


Eloy ... you seem to be saying that works are what redeems you, not the grace of God.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/24/05


Being haughty and full of pride in oneself is a sin......Christians can and do sin,not everyday (i hope) but we do mess up on occasion.And that is why we have an advocate working for us in heaven.
PRIDE is one of the hardest sins to overcome and you are in my prayers for understanding and strength to overcome!!
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---co_ach on 9/24/05


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Tina ... you say it so much better thasn I put it!
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/24/05


Alan & Tina, i believe only the truth which Jesus says, and not the contrary doctrines in churches, nor from people. If a person sins they are in disobedience, and they are not in the body of Christ but are separate from him. All sin is disobedience, and not a lapse of righteousness. Each person has free choice to choose whether they will serve sin or serve Christ, and you cannot serve both, else God would be unjust in damning sinners to hell.
---Eloy on 9/24/05


Eloy, Interesting interpretation of scripture. I prefer to stick with St. Paul, Luther, and the whole Christian Church on earth. I agree with you that no Christian lives in continuous *unrepentant* sin. However, we sin daily and much. Our sin nature continues to cling to us, and we must repent daily.

1 Timothy 1:15 "The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I *am* (present tense) the foremost."
---Tina5349 on 9/24/05


I have never met any Christian who has not at some time slipped in one of those or other ways.
You say you never sin, even unintentioanlly, presumably you mean that you never do anything which could possibly hurt God or any man, woman or child.
Scripture does not say we cannot a Christians fall into sin. Christ's gift to us is that we are saved, and will remain saved, even when we do lapse
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/24/05


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Eloy ... but there is a difference between that and being a Christian who occasionally slips ... by being judgmental, and condemnatory, being proud and thinking that he has the right to make the judgements that belong to God, occasionally saying "Oh blow" (or worse) when the hammer hits his thumb, or gets irritated if someone pushes in front in a quueue. Or gets wild if someone disagrees.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/24/05


Eloy ... yes those who are unregenerate, goats, all children of the devil, all unjust, all sinners, wicked and slothful servants, all disobedient, hardhearted and stiffnecked, all evil trees, all whited tombs, all burning tares" are not Christians. They have rejected the Good News, they are on the other side. They are sinFULL
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/24/05


Rebecca, Every true Born-again Christian is one with Christ, one tree, and not separated from him at all. Please read Hebrews 2:9-11; John 14:19,20; 15:4-6; 17:2,3,11,16-22; Ephesians 2:6; Revelation 3:21; 20:4.
---Eloy on 9/23/05


Alan, error is saying: all are sinuous, unregenerate, goats, all children of the devil, all unjust, all sinners, wicked and slothful servants, all disobedient, hardhearted and stiffnecked, all evil trees, all whited tombs, all burning tares. When the truth is, there are: the righteous, born-again Christians, sheep, the children of God, the just, the well-doers, good and faithful servants, the obedient, softhearted and bowing necked, the good trees, the temples of the Holy Ghost, and the shining wheat.
---Eloy on 9/23/05


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Alan, this was already addressed to you, and you disbelieve the truth, which is your free choice to believe or not to believe. In a prayerful attitude please re-read I John chapter 3, and Romans chapter 6.
---Eloy on 9/23/05


Tina, Paul said "IF" he does sin, this is how: "Now IF I do that I should not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me...who will save me from this?..I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:20,24,25; 8:2. Please finish reading his speach in Romans 8:1-9. Tina i don't sin, i know this because it's the truth, and there is no thinking contrarily about this fact.
---Eloy on 9/23/05


He can't find anyone here on earth without sin, because he keeps *looking* for faults in others. which by the ways isn't right. So therefore no one is sinless because our mortal bodies have not yet put on immortality. This corruptible must put on incorruption then after we have done that death is swallowed up in victory. Read 1 Tim 6:16 I don't think that means you Eloy.
---Rebecca_D on 9/22/05


Eloy .. you and I had a long discussion ove rhis a couple of months ago. I still cannot accept that anyone except Jesus has, or will be sinless.
I believe that when we see God, that our sins will be washed and we will be presented as sinless.
But incidently, how may others, besides yuorself, do you find are without sin?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/22/05


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Eloy, you should be very cautious with your use of the tree producing fruit analogy. After all, God created Lucifer, and I think we can all agree Lucifer is not good fruit.
---Justin on 9/22/05


Eloy,

BTW, I didn't say anything about trying to be good or bad. I asked what makes *you* think that *you* are no longer a sinner.
---Tina5349 on 9/22/05


Eloy,
So what do you think Paul means when he says in Romans "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me."? and "So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." ?
---Tina5349 on 9/22/05


Tina, When you follow Christ he blesses you in this life, and afterwards you will reign and rule with Christ a 1000 years. But if instead you choose to follow sin, then there are consequences for that. Please read Matthew chapter 25, the whole chapter please. Hopefully i pray that you will see that there are the two different kinds of people, and not just one.
---Eloy on 9/22/05


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Tina, you can't try to be good or try to be bad, either you are a good tree that produces good fruit, or you are an evil tree that bears evil fruit. The tree is known by its fruit: A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, and an evil tree cannot produce good fruit. Jesus says of the righteous, "WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT: you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over all things: enter you into the joy of your lord."
---Eloy on 9/22/05


Ok Eloy. I have read all of Romans 6, 1 John 1, and 1 John 3. I'm sorry; I still do not understand you. Why do you think you are no longer a sinner?
---Tina5349 on 9/22/05


Tina, Please read Romans chapter 6, the whole chapter please.
---Eloy on 9/22/05


Tina, i am not Paul, i am Eloy. i don't trust in anyone elses righteousness, i am born-again and i am made the righteousness of Christ. You misapply the passage. Start with I John 1:6, for this liar is who the whole passage is refering to: "If we say that we have fellowship with him, AND WALK IN DARKNESS, WE LIE, and do not the truth." Please read I John chapter 3, the whole chapter please.
---Eloy on 9/22/05


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Eloy: when did you die out to flesh? How did you do it? I am curious cause I am still fighting with mine. How can you keep the faith at all times and never have doubts about anything?
---Rebecca_D on 9/21/05


1 John 1:8-10If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
---Tina5349 on 9/21/05


So Eloy,

In whose righteousness are you trusting! Your own? Or Christs?
---Tina5349 on 9/21/05


(cont)
Romans 7-22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Sounds like Paul still struggled with sin, no?
---Tina5349 on 9/21/05


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Eloy,
So would it be safe to say that you are miles ahead of the apostle Paul?

Romans 7:19-21For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
(Cont)
---Tina5349 on 9/21/05


Tina, Yes, to your 1st question. i obey Christ because it is my will. And to your 2nd question, No, because Christ has not asked me to do that. However, if he does, i would be more than glad to do so.
---Eloy on 9/21/05


PART ONE:
Eloy,
Are you saying; The righteous, the born-again Christian, the rightened, the sheep, the children of God, the well-doers, the obedient, etc. are different classes of people who will go to heaven?

Doesn't Born-again Christian cover all that? Or can the well-doer, the obedient, the softhearted go to heaven with out being born again?

Am I misquoting scripture to remind you that Jesus said John 3, "...Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. "
---Bruce5656 on 9/21/05


PART TWO:

And
John 3:15-19, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
---Bruce5656 on 9/21/05


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PART THREE:
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
---Bruce5656 on 9/21/05


PART FOUR:
Jesus did not say: One way to heaven is to be Born Again, nor did He say :may not be condemned if he is a well-doer or might be condemned.
---Bruce5656 on 9/21/05


Humans beings are not in state of probation with God. That probation passed away in the days of Adam and Eve. Humans are not prisoners at the bar about to be tried for their lives. Their trial is over, their sentence is passed, and they are condemned already. By contrast, every believer is forgiven already. Surely they deserve the deepest hell too. God only gave us one way and one way only. That is why missionaries or out there working hard.
---Lupe2618 on 9/21/05


Eloy,
So then, let me see if I understand you. Are you saying that you *always* obey God completely, exactly, and wholeheartedly? That you no longer sin? Ever? In thought, word, or deed? Never??? I am impressed! Have you sold *all* that you posses and given the money to the poor?
---Tina5349 on 9/21/05


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Tina, his role is to save the truly repentant from sin with the command, "Go, and sin no more, else something worse will come upon you."
---Eloy on 9/21/05


If what you say is true than we would be better off not telling anyone about Jesus cus if they never hear of him they get a free ride. Then you can just do away with all the scripture that says other wise the population would have a better chance of entering Heaven by defalt. In that case Jesus might as well have never come to Earth to begin with. WOW there is a thought. Man alone can not see God because they are born into sin and without the blood shed on Calvery they have no chance.
---vickie on 9/20/05


Eloy, indeed, I don't obey God completely and wholeheartedly. I sin everyday. I am a poor miserable sinner and I confess that I have offended God in thought, word, and deed, and justly deserve His temporal and eternal punishment. But I am sorry for these sins and repent of them. Now what is Jesus' role?
---Tina5349 on 9/19/05


Xanthi,

That's not for me to decide, or even to question, no? I will leave that up to the secret counsel of God most high. He is a God of mercy *and* justice. His mercy is indeed great, and in His great mercy He *may* choose to save them, but He has only revealed one way of salvation to us.
---Tina5349 on 9/18/05


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Tina, God did not make anyone not able to obey. We each have a freewill to obey or dis God, so if you dis him it's not because you can't, but because you choose so.
---Eloy on 9/18/05


O.K. Tina, I should not have put in the word 'idea' and I didn't mean that quite the way it appears in print. However, would you please tell us HOW anyone (who has NEVER heard of Jesus, in any shape or form, from the second they are born to the second they die) can accept or reject Him as Saviour? Is God going to send them to Hell because no-one told them or does He have a different criteria for judging those who NEVER heard?
---Xanthi on 9/18/05


Eloy,
What role does Jesus play in all of this? Are you saying that all we have to do to is be exactly like Jesus? But isn't Jesus perfect? Or be like Noah and God will smile on us? Are you saying that all God is asking for is complete, exact and wholehearted obedience? WOW! No problem! But wait. Isn't the reason Jesus lived a perfect life *for* me, and went to the Cross *for* me because I cant and don't obey God completely, exactly and wholeheartedly?
---Tina5349 on 9/15/05


Bruce, This is a popular false doctrine: All are sinuous, all unregenerate, all crooked, all goats, all children of the devil, all sinners, all disobedient, all hardhearted and stiffnecked, all evil trees, all whited tombs, and all are burning tares;
But the truth says: There are the righteous, the born-again Christian, the rightened, the sheep, the children of God, the well-doers, the obedient, the softhearted and bowing necked, the good trees, the temples of the Holy Ghost, and the shining wheat.
---Eloy on 9/15/05


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Bruce, There are 2 kinds of people. Haven't you read of Cain who was wicked, and Abel who was righteous? Of Henoch who walked with God, and Noah who was righteous, nor of Abraham called the friend of God, nor yet of Job who was called righteous? All these before Christ was born. The verses you misapplied refers to the Jews who lived in sin, yet said they were still God's chosen and approved of God. The passage is in Psalms and is pre-empted, "The fool says in his heart that there is no God."
---Eloy on 9/15/05


Additionally, our problem is not that we are merely "uninformed". Where in scripture does it say that being "uninformed" gets us a pass?
---Tina5349 on 9/14/05


Xanthi,

Salvation is not merely an *idea* of a creator. Or "the way we live our lives." Our only savior is Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. Salvation is our sin imputed to Him, while *His* perfect obedience of Gods law, His death, and His resurrection are imputed to us. This is the only way of salvation.
---Tina5349 on 9/14/05


Yes Bruce! I agree. The question is--are we dead in trespasses and sins, or merely wounded? Scripture teaches that our spiritual condition--is DEAD in sin. The remedy?--The *only* righteousness acceptable to God is the righteousness of Christ given or imputed to us. Indeed! No man comes to the Father but through Jesus.
---Tina5349 on 9/14/05


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PART ONE:
Eloy, you say if he was righteous he will go to heaven? Where do you see that we can be saved by our own righteousness??

Romans 3:10-12, "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
---Bruce5656 on 9/14/05


PART TWO:
Isaiah 64:6, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
---Bruce5656 on 9/14/05


Ronmans 2:12-14 is your answer. In short, the law of God is "written in their hearts" (conscience) and NO ONE always has and always will obey their conscience.
---Bruce5656 on 9/14/05


If he was righteous he will go to heaven, if wicked he will go to hell. There are two books used in judgment. The Lamb's Book of Life, and The Book of Works. For those who have never heard the gospel, then they are judged out of the book of works, that is every work that that person done in the flesh is recorded whether good or evil, and they are judged accordingly. Not everyone will have a chance to hear the gospel, still God uses righteous judgment. Please read Revelation 20:12; Matthew 10:23; 24:22.
---Eloy on 9/14/05


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No-one can accept or reject a Saviour that they have NEVER heard of. The bible tells us that nature itself shows God's glory so man is without excuse if he rejects the idea of a Creator God but beyond that, people can only know what they have been told. I don't believe that people who have never heard of Jesus will go to hell for that reason alone, but I believe many will still go to hell for rejecting God and for other reasons regarding the way they have lived their lives.
---Xanthi on 9/14/05


I disagree. Jesus told his deciples to take the Gospel to all corners of the earth because all need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He said there is only one way to the kingdom of God throught the blood of the lamb. JESUS said, "I am the way truth and the life NO man come unto the father, but by me" John 14:6
that is why it is our job to spread the good news about the gift of salvation.
---vickie on 9/13/05


In Romans 2:12-16

God will judge those who have never heard the gospel by their Conscience. A persons Conscience will either convict them if they have broken Gods law or it will excuse them.

GOD knows who will be guilty before him an who will not. GOD always sought to have people repent from their sins.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah or the people of Nineveh and Jonah.
---Gregory on 9/13/05


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