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Are Men To Rule Over Their Wife

In Genesis 3:16 we read 'And your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.' These words, I think, were a statement of fact (part of the curse) rather than a commandment of the way things HAD to be. Haven't men taken these words too far?

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---Carla5754 on 12/23/07

Role playing is lost on me. I'm not interested in it and if you were having that much fun at it, why is your life and marriage so miserable?
Today is the day of salvation, and today is the day to stop playing with our heads, because you can and it's fun.

Today is the day to put your mouth on the line and prophesy to your own life. When you've accomplished that, come back and tell us about your prophetic insights.
I might be inclined to listen.
---lovable_linda on 12/18/07

If you were so taken with this man while dating, "stepford", with no outward visible signs that he was not the real thing - what has changed?
Have you changed? Expanded your vision to greener pastures?
---lovable_linda on 12/18/07

It could have been a case of the blind leading the blind and quite possibly, you are indeed equally yoked.
So rather than continue griping about him, as you have for the last two years on these blogs, do something unique and different.

Doing the same thing over and over, griping incessantly, and getting the same result - well, that's the definition of instability.
---lovable_linda on 12/18/07

So until you can speak to that loveless marriage and speak love back into it, should you really be telling the rest of us what to do?
---lovable_linda on 12/18/07

Then you operate love, and and cast those demons out in Jesus name, If you know how to fast/pray you use the power Jesus gave you and rebuke the devils from his body and inlist help daily, nightly, weekly, yearly untill you over come evil with GOOD! God has not given you a spirit of fear but of love and a sound mind. If GOD is for You tell me Who can be against you, Having done all Stand in the liberty that God has given you and overcome the wiles of the devil.
---Carla5754 on 12/18/07

What if your husband is retarded or is a psycho, but he covered it well while dating, then after the wedding your eyes were opened?
---Stepford on 12/18/07

I don't think so, A man of God Rules his household well!

If he so happen not to be living right then that's probably where the rule without care comes in, and I couldn't live like that, he would have to come under the scrutiny of the Word/Elders of the church that would means he's backsliden or is in error of the written word.
---Carla5754 on 12/18/07

(2Titus 2
We should be busy teaching our childern to have love and respect for God showing love towards each other alike through the word instead of trying to bend the tree when it's fully grown, stop blaming the men their MOTHERS never taught them properly,neither do women take the responsibility to make sure their boys grow to respect Girls as women of honor and cherish them, instead it's all about them having a girlfriend or Dating yet!
---Carla5754 on 12/18/07

Going into the church I have witnesed where women have had Husbands that have relayed the message women not teaching and listened while others have put them down and come off with the lie of it only applying to the Church at a specific time. I knew this is not what the bible said and watched those marriages fade and those women disapear! I will stand on the word of God and believe what I read. Some people just don't know when They have a good thing, continue in darkness and you will be exposed!
---Carla5754 on 12/16/07

The strong always have somewhat over the weak.How its done is a matter of principal.
2,SAID HE shall be one flesh.How is easy,
cooperation is the hard part.The time-span of the 1st of the 7 hidden seals and the increase of spiritual knowledge shall again
bring this forth.
---Jack_8773 on 12/14/07

Yes, and being a woman I don't like it. The phrase has been interpreted in several ways. The common view is that of a sexual desire on the part of the woman for her husband, knowing now there will be more pain in child bearing.
---catherine on 12/14/07

I have heard that many times and while it is admirable, that is not scripture.
Should we follow that same train of thought we might conclude that women have smaller feet so they can stand closer to the kitchen sink.
No scripture and highly chauvenistic.
As in all things, there is grace and the husband should rule in love and in accordance with the scriptures in both testaments. David said kings should rule in the fear of God.
With authority comes responsibility.
---Frank on 12/14/07

Eve was made from Adam's rib, equal to. Not higher to rule over, not lower to be trod on. Equal. Ephesians makes this quite clear.
---dan on 12/14/07

People take all kinds of doctrines too far. But it remains as the Bible says, that as Christ is the head (ruler) of the church and is responsible to her, the husband is the head of the wife the same way. This is not grievous unless rebellion is present.
---john on 12/14/07

In addition to my other posts, part of that love is to rule.
As Christ "keeps" us from damning ourselves and convicts us of sin by his Spirit, so should the husband have final say in the household in carnal matters. Men ruling, harems and keepers of the women supplying their needs are all types and shadows of Christ our Lord preserving, or "keeping" us until the day of redemption.
I personally would rather let Him keep and rule that be swayed to the flesh and damned.
---Frank on 12/14/07

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God is a God of order. That is why men are to love their wives as themselves and still have the final say in the family unit. That position of being the head carries a grave responsibility that is shrugged of by many effeminate men today. There is a definite headship from God to keep confusion out of the household. That is part of the problems in this heretical church today. Men forebearing to lead and women having to be used in their place. The moden day Deborahs with no honour for the men.
---Frank on 12/14/07

I believe that the words of Paul answers this question best, "Husbands love your wives.."

Paul doesn't say rule over them, but love them
---Thomas on 12/14/07

Men are to be Christ to the family, this means they need to be the ultimate reflection of sacrifice, love and submission to the family. Even greater than the wife, many men don't even come close to this.
---Jared on 5/26/07

Men are to be the HEAD of the wife as Christ was the head of the church. So with this in mind, what did Christ do for the church? Answer: He suffered for the church and He died for the church. Also, husbands are to delegagte NOT dictate to the wife. (Ephesians 5:23) For example: My wife takes care of all the financies, but she ask my permission to do this. (She's much better at it than I am.)
---WIVV on 5/26/07

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Who does most of the labor? MEN
Who suffers through childbirth? WOMEN

Q. What group of women are FIGHTING to be equal to men?

A. Feminists are the fools who are EAGER to be doubly cursed.

---Reiter on 11/21/06

I believe that in a marriage, that the man is the head of the household, but that doesn't mean you are a slave. Pray for guidance
---tonya on 8/4/06

As long as my husband follows the word of God he should have the rule. The way we live shows what we believe about the Lord and his church. He rules it. It does not rule him and is not equal to him.
---Shari on 2/20/06

First, "Wives, submit to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the Church, His body, of which He is the Savior." - Ephesians 5:22-23(NIV)

But ONLY if, this is followed by :

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives, as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church" - Ephesians 5:28-29(NIV)
---mirna9444 on 9/18/05

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If 'the man shall rule over you' is part of a curse which was removed at the cross why have the 'pain in childbirth' and the 'man having to work at removing weeds and thorns etc' not also been removed at the cross? I thought they were all part of the same curse.
---M.A. on 9/18/05

The way I see it, that was God's curse on women, which has been erased by the cross. The New Testament says that in Christ, there is neither male nor female.

The curse of having desire towards a man instead of to God Himself has been broken for those women who are truly in Christ. Why shouldn't the latter part of the curse be nulified as well?
---Samantha on 9/15/05

This may sound crude, but my husband has said before "When God made woman, he did not use man's tailbone or a bone from his foot, he used a rib. Therefore, woman is to be at a man's side, not behind him or under his feet!" a little humor there, but true nevertheless :)
---Pastors_Wife on 9/15/05

The way I understand it is a MAN IS TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS WIFE, and a WOMAN IS TO SUBMIT TO HER MAN. I take that to mean a man puts his wife first in everything, loveingly so, and in turn a woman wants to submit being the head of the home to her husband. When I find a man of character in a home, a woman is more than willing to let him set the pace. But usually its a man lording it over a woman so shes his servant.
---bobba4434 on 9/15/05

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Ralph it is probably because the part about wives obeying their husbands (which is from a totally different section of the bible) has been thrashed out many times before on CN and that the quesion was about the role of men and whether the verse in question means what many men have interpreted it to mean.
---Xanthi on 9/15/05

Why is it that everybody is quick to quote the part about husbands loving their wives but stop short and don't mention the part about wives obeying the husband?
---ralph7477 on 9/14/05

We, men and women, can hypothesize, wax eloquent with our opinions and even seek to hyperbolize scriptures. However, there are many scriptures in the O.T. & N.T. on the placement by God of men and women: In their personal relationships as well as in church order. Such a one is in Eph.5:17-33. Then in 1Tim.all of ch2 & 3. As for taking it "too far", yes some of both genders do. Prayerfully many do not.
---mike_fl on 9/14/05

WIVV, you have a great answer. There are plenty of men who need to take a lesson from you. You must have a wonderful marriage.
---Annie on 9/14/05

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I heard a radio preacher say,God put men above women....But the Bible says,wives are to submit to their OWN husbands.....not that every woman is in submission/subjection to every man.Blessings yall.
---lovable_linda on 9/14/05

That passage refers to what the natural, sinful man will do in marriage. A saved, Spirit led husband will not rule, but love. Big difference. Some Christian men use that passage as license to be unloving and dictatorial.
---Madison on 9/14/05

Original Hebrew language word usage is stating that though a woman will desire the perfect relationship prefall, her husband will now rule over her due to sin. It is part of the curse of sin, destroying relationships. It is not stating that God is ordaining this behavior but is stating it will happen. Identical language as God stating the ground will be cursed and women are going to have childbirth pain, sin will make men rule over women. Not the perfect plan God had in mind in the garden.
---Chris on 9/14/05

The husband's insistence to "rule" is DEFINITELY a part of the curse, a result of original sin. God's first design for marriage (and His best design by far) was a mutual respect and admiration both by and for each other. Yes, many men have taken it too far, but SAVED men will allow Jesus to heal and restore God's original plan for his life and his marriage.
---Crystal on 9/14/05

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Wife should be with her Husband as Husband would be with his Wife.Husband should support his Wife finiacial and rule in a loving way that pleases God.
---jane on 9/14/05

God decided what history still debates, "Who will lead in a marriage?"

Rule - To have authority or control over; govern. Dominate or greatly influence. To decide or determine juducially or authoritatively. To restrain; keep in check; rule your temper. To maintain a standard. To form or express an opinion.
---barbara67 on 9/14/05

Some men take these words too far. They rule with an iron fist. Men are to be head of home, meaning they are too lead the family (in love). Have had men say that a wife is to be slave to husband because that is what this verse means. Wife is to give husband all he wants and asks for....this is false. A husband must love his wife as God loves the church and if he does the wife will want to show him love and respect. Husband is to lead in love and respect not as a bully or ruler over family
---M. on 9/14/05

I agree that those words were part of the curse just as are the statment that man would have to till the ground and women would have pain in childbearing. Man has found ways to work the ground more easily than previously, the medical profession has found ways of reducing the pain of childbirth, but we still live in the dark ages regarding the statement about men ruling women.
---M.A. on 9/14/05

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