>The manuscripts say they shouldn't CHATTER,
Which Greek word is to be translated as "chatter"? |
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---djconklin on 10/14/09 |
The manuscripts say they shouldn't CHATTER, but neither men nor women should chatter in church, and also instead of interrupting the speaker for questions while their speaking if something is not understood the spouse should teach them also at home. God expects Discipline from all in his house. Hope this helps. |
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---larry on 10/12/09 |
Contradicts The Rest Of Bible/OT/NT/1Cor on The role of women. NO other place in the Bible/OT/NT where silence = submission of women. Truly, only "Law" that says women be silent would be Jewish "oral law" traditions, not Law of God. NOwhere in OT tells women to "be submissive", but rather that husband will "rule"/dominate the wife. Huge difference between teaching wives be submissive to her1 husband, andthat women must show submission to men. Bible does not teach that. I think its a gloss, take that on faith. I feel like the Holy Spirit is good with me believing that. It does move around in early manuscripts, which suggests something fishy. God is God of peace, not of confusion. I believe this is a gloss. |
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---Hilly on 10/12/09 |
if anyone tried to find such a requirement in the (old testament) law (that women must be silent).. it could not be found---JaeR on 9/4/09
JaeR,
It's hard to obey. Have trouble myself...I'm not being vindictive. What I would do...I do not.
Without going on the hunt in the O.Convenant it is clear that the heads of all the households/tribes were male. Priest's etc. The first person created....male. It is more of an order in creation....GOD set in motion. I mean...I'm also glad GOD was first...not man. Do I have a right or even power to change this? No. So think I'll just ....hard as is is...try to stay in the order. Sure would be easy to put things on the wife....but, then what good am I to her? |
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---Trav on 9/25/09 |
1cor.14:34-35 should be compared with other previous verses about a woman praying or prophesying in 1cor.11:5. which implies & indicates that there is nothing against it.
if anyone tried to find such a requirement in the (old testament) law (that women must be silent).. it could not be found.
in light of that then the verses in question should be considered as a wrong view. meaning then that verses 36-37 is the refuting of that wrong view.
verses 34-37 is an example of Greek customs verses Torah Jewish early Christian customs. |
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---JaeR on 9/4/09 |
NEVER said that a woman cannot serve in ministry or leadership - this is a MAN-MADE rule,...
we just can NOT read the Bible, and say that is what it says, but MUST resurch historical context that it was written in.
---Leslie on 9/1/09
Worldwise-You can do anything you physically, mentally want too. Don't let scripture and wisdom of going against,GOD's hand picked, apostles, phrophets, who were men hold you back. But,I'm a guy so this doesn't count.
You are taking this personally, when maybe you could thank GOD for the opportunity to be special. Israel consisting of both was/is considered to be a wife. They were expected to show the attributes of. Perhaps you could be a lesson for us....at some future point.... |
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---Trav on 9/4/09 |
God in the O.T., Jesus in the N.T., and Paul in the N.T. NEVER said that a woman cannot serve in ministry or leadership - this is a MAN-MADE rule, NOT of God. Paul wrote these things to churches who Christianity was new to them - he wanted to establish ORDER, NOT bondage. God is a God of ORDER. There were MANY women in ministry leadership within the O.T., N.T. (Jesus day), and N.T. Pauls day - ALL of them were ordained by God to be in that position. ALL of these women in the N.T. served with Jesus or Paul to some extent. This is why we just can NOT read the Bible, and say that is what it says, but MUST resurch the historical context that it was written in. |
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---Leslie on 9/1/09 |
"God is not the author of confusion"====He can be! Confusing. Don't tell me God can not confuse the Saint or the wicked man. God confuses me sometimes. Just the other night I said something to Him about that, too....Scripture: The service that is disorderly, confusing, and disruptive is not of God. I think we can all agree on that. However, some churches are so rigid, and is not of God, either. |
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---catherine on 8/31/09 |
1st in order to understand this verse, you MUST look at it from the historical times in which they were living. In that day, women were not allowed to sit at the front of the church (synogog), only the men were. The women would yell to their husbands to tell them what the Pastor (Rabbi) was saying - thus disrupting service. That is where this law came from. It is NOT to say that women cannot serve in the ministry/leadership - this is FALSE, MAN-MADE teaching - NOT of God. There were MANY women who served in ministry/leadership, even in this time. |
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---Leslie on 8/29/09 |
Stephen Gola on 1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "Let women keep silent. . ." Paul was responding to questions from the Corinthians. Paul's assertion (and Christ's) is that "the Spirit is given to every man." The Greek word for "man" here meaning humans-both genders-"there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28). Statements in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 never ORIGINATED with Paul. Paul repeated them to the Corinthians in disbelief. The following word in the Greek is "WHAT?" an exclamation of absurdity. Paul said that they WERE NOT commands from the Lord but "ignorance" Christ taught that the women and men are both the church of Christ. |
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---Jane on 8/28/09 |
Ministries & Operations: 1Corinthians 12:27-30, 14:26, Ephesians 4:11, 5:19, Colossians 3:16. The titles in Mathew 23:10-11, Acts 20:28, Philippians 1:1, 1Timothy 3:1-10, 12-13, Titus 1:7, etc. are masculine nouns and the use here forces you to refer only to men in these positions of leadership.
Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:11, Joel 2:28-28 & Acts 2:17-18 *, a list of women, and misused scriptures do not negate the previously cited verses.
* God offers salvation to all classes of people, through the atonement with God, by the death of Jesus on the cross. |
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---Glenn on 8/22/09 |
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. |
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---vet on 8/21/09 |
Ashton-at that time, as Orthodox Synogogues do to this day, Temples were separated in seating by gender. So the reference was to women on one side of the temple who were probably out of order. He was addressing a specific problem with a general teaching.
Paul's "women should not usurp authority over a man" is also a general teachng about God's order. Paul takes extra care in versus 36-37 to let us know this is God's commandment so there is no "that was then this is now" nonsense.
Christians will understand this is about order not gender self-worth. Pagans, who are clueless, see the teaching as simply chauvinistic |
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---larry on 8/21/09 |
These verses prohibit women ruling over men: Deuteronomy 22:5, 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:(33) 34-35 (36-38), and 1Timothy 2:11-12 (8-15). Women were not to take on those things that pertained to men include doctrine, preaching, prophesy, psalms, revelation, teaching, tongues and interpretation, which is to "usurp authority over the man". Adam: Genesis 2:15 / Eve: 3:1-6, 16 (4:7), Numbers 12 (only Miriam gets leprosy), Isaiah 3:12.
Women are to teach their own children, 1Timothy 2:15, and younger women, Titus 2:3-5.
Lois: An old testament Prophetess and a new testament Bishop-Prophet is not the same thing. Phillip's daughters sang psalms, and Agabus came down from Judea, Acts 21:10-11.
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---Glenn on 8/21/09 |
If women were to keep silent in chuch why did Philip have four daughters who prophysied. Read where the people were at and what was going on. The women were on one side and the men on the other and they were yelling back and forth. That is why Paul said go home and ask your husband they were totally out of order. |
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---Lois on 8/18/09 |
It is merely the continuation of the old Judeo-Christian (and, incidently, Islamic) way of keeping women in their place as second class citizens.
-g |
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----gary on 8/18/09 |
Donna: "To understand 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 one must understand what was happening during that early time of the church."
God's word transcends time. Blaming "time" is just an excuse to cover your own faults. |
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---Steveng on 3/16/09 |
NO ASKING QUESTIONS AND TALKING WHILE THE SERVICE WAS GOING ON: If they, women, will learn any thing Let the women ask their husband when they get home. In other words, it is improper to sit in church chatting with your husband while the service is going on. All eyes on Jesus. The scripture in question must be interpreted in light of 1 Corin. 11:5 where it is clear that Paul understood that women were permitted to pray and prophesy in public worship so long as they were properly dressed. |
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---catherine on 3/16/09 |
I do understand about the women keeping silent in the worship service. What about saying "amen" while the preacher is preaching? I am in agreement with the sermon,but I am a bit confused, and I want to do the right thing. |
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---Linda on 3/16/09 |
If you notice in :34 the scripture says "your women", and if you do a word study, then you'll realize that it is in referrence to men's wives in the church....not women in general, because the Lord's house is a house of order, and if a man's wife is asking him questions concerning the Word of God during the teaching then she causes, not only him to be distracted from hearing the Word, but also others in the congregation! The Holy Spirit doesn't interupt Himself! Amen! |
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---Bryan on 1/28/09 |
As an extension of his sovereignty, the Lord has firmly established authority structures on earth (government, family, church, etc.). Just as Jesus proclaimed "I do exactly what my Father has commanded" (John 14:31) and was under the authority of the Father, he was also completely equal to the father. So is the role of women in Christ. They are to remain silent in the Churches (meaning under authority in the meetings) yet are co-heirs and completely equal to men in Christ. In Corinthians, Paul talks about women prophesying and praying. In Acts, Phillip the evangelist/deacon is noted as having 4 daughters who prophesied. So it is clear that women were speaking in a spiritual context outside of the meetings. |
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---mike on 1/15/09 |
To understand 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 one must understand what was happening during that early time of the church. Paul had a group of excited people who want to learn or speak in church. This event caused mass confusion to many and great disorder to the church itself. In order to gain control of this situation Paul asked the women to listen first, ask questions second (when there was time to explain what was going on). Remember, Christianity is new. Thus a formed, controlled environment was being encouraged. Just as a mother may silence a child in church, it does not mean he/she can never speak again or be used by God. It was done out of respect in order to help the child and church mature. |
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---Donna on 1/9/09 |
First you must find out why 1st Corinthians was written.
This book was written by Paul to correct the things going on in the Church that were wrong.
When you see the book in this light you will understand why things are being addressed. This church had many errors and sin in it. Paul wrote to encourage them to correct their actions and forsake their sins.
What Paul addressed in your question was about something being done wrong. He explained the proper thing to do. |
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---Elder on 1/2/09 |
Ok it does clearly say in in 1 corinth 14v34-35. But although paul was a great man who brought many good points and letters across different churches. Whoever does anyone not think he was wrong in this part. How can woman NOT speak in church & ask their pasters for understanding of the scriptures. The bibe does command us to go fourth and tell others to preach the gospel!
Need help reply back |
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---stevie on 12/31/08 |
I notice that many write that women sat on one side, I would like a source on that so I can read about it.
Second, notice that Paul writes in Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
We are one in Christ.
Notice also that Jesus interacted with women with respect. During his sermon a women told Jesus that the Messiah was coming. Jesus said that he was the Messiah. The disciples missed that part of the sermon because they were shocked to see that Jesus let a women talk during church. Understand that was Jewish law. But that's how Jesus rolled.
I'll edit this in a bit as I have to leave now. |
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---Ashton on 9/22/08 |
The Orig. Books aren't written in Chapters & Verses.
They were added later by the Church.
I also have in my collection of Bibles an old Gideon's that IS WORD for WORD to the KJV, But, has no Ch. or verses in it. |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/24/08 |
How can we understand a Biblical truth without Biblical scriptures? I believe culture has a lot to do with the verse thirty-four. As previously stated women prophesized in the OT and NT (1Cor. 11:5) I agree with the one who mention the tongues issue, speaking out of turn or with disorder will confuse the message and those who needs to hear it. |
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---Otis on 4/24/08 |
These were Greek churches (Ephesus, Corinth). Among the Greeks public women were disreputable. To Greeks, for a woman to speak in public would cause the remark that she was shameless. Virtuous women were secluded. Hence it would be a shame for women to speak in the church assembly. Please note there is no hint of such a prohibition to any churches except Grecian. Wherever it would be shameful, women ought not to speak. Also see in the Bible that many (Jewish) women prophesied and/or were prophets.. |
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---Angie on 4/5/08 |
The guy asked for an explanation of First Corinthians 14:34-35, not to have scriptures thrown in his face. Christlike replies only? Okay |
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---Susej on 10/6/07 |
Let me enlighten you, God's is not against men or women. The Word of God is the Word of God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 (King James Version) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:4 (King James Version) Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
1 Corinthians 11:5 (King James Version) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1 Corinthians 11:7 (King James Version) For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
1 Corinthians 11:8 (King James Version) For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians 11:9 (King James Version) Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
1 Corinthians 11:8 (King James Version) For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians 11:9 (King James Version) Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
1 Corinthians 11:12 (King James Version) For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
the woman was made for man, man also by the woman. ; but all things of GOD. This has nothing to do with putting down women. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) ALL SCRIPTURE is GIVEN by INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17 (King James Version) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
This is the Word of God not the word of man.
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
1 Timothy 2:9 (King James Version) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1 Timothy 2:10 (King James Version) But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
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1 Timothy 2:11 (King James Version) Let the woman LEARN in SILENCE with all subjection.
1 Timothy 2:12 (King James Version) But I suffer not a WOMAN. to teach, nor to USURP AUTHORITY OVER A MAN but to be in SILENCE.
1 Timothy 2:13 (King James Version) For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 (King James Version) And Adam was NOT DECEIVED, but the woman being DECEIVED was in the transgression.
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
1 Timothy 2:15 (King James Version) Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. |
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---doug7835 on 4/23/07 |
Well, the whole world can be against women, but Jesus is not against women. I can enlighten everyone on that fact. I just happen to be one. So I know. |
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---catherine on 4/23/07 |
Religion is the source of all our problems. It is not rare for religion to put down women, since awr an religion were created by men! |
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---Lillet on 4/23/07 |
During the time that Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church the women sat on one side of the church and the men on the other. The women had questions to ask their husbands across the isle and by doing so they caused a disturbance in the church. |
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---Rickey on 12/6/05 |
Not that it has been mentioned yet, however there are many that believe Paul did not write these two verses. There is one early manuscript that has these two verses at the end of the chapter rather than in the "right place" where they were written.
It is true about the manuscript, however it is a Latin (not Greek) dating from the 5th cent. that does misplace these two verses. Some believe that they were just forgotten and re-inserted later. |
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---David7647 on 10/28/05 |
It is pretty cut and dry - no mysterious twist on the text here. In the church meeting, women are to remain silent. The actual truth of the scripture sometimes goes against what we desire - but that gives no one permission to ignore it. |
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---mike on 10/24/05 |
This mysogynist bit of scripture is not always atributed to Paul as it was written as a side note on the original text, after 1 Cor. 14:40. Geesh, have faith in God, but don't take things written by man so literally. |
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---Mack on 10/24/05 |
As I see, the verses are a part of the whole chapter (on tongues). Paul also addresses women not to preach (speaking in the church)here & in other scriptures. The term prophesy doesn't always mean a prophet either, it means the type of message delivered. The basic fact here is one of church order. It has been lost in today's church sanctuary. Just look around at the people visiting before & after a service. The room God openly speaks to His flock should be respected by reverence, not chit-chat. |
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---mike_fl on 10/7/05 |
, James, i know this passage might sound harsh, but we are to accept all of scripture, not just those parts that are politically correct. |
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---steve on 10/1/05 |
James, the context starts in v.29, talking about the prophets. When v.34 says, "Let your women keep silence", it's not all women, but the prophets' women.
If it were all women, how could the single women obey v.35 which tells them to "ask their husbands"? V.36 confirms this because the Word of God did not come out from the prophets' wives, but unto them only.
However, the Word of God would come out from a prophetess like Anna in Luke 2:36. |
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---Jeffrey on 9/29/05 |
a point that i think is missed is that previous to telling women to be silent.. it tells the general church to be silent vs.28, vs.30 so this indicates that men must likewise in certain occaisions do the same as is directed to women who would speak out of turn or in a disrupting manner. but its safe to say that like the men.. upon learning how to behave in a church service, the woman being properly educated in the things of God may have her turn as God would use her. |
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---jianra on 9/26/05 |
Additionally, the underlying reason for this rule to stop interruptions in the church was that the women in those times lacked the education of the men as a whole. |
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---bob6749_[Elishama] on 9/23/05 |
It is self-explanatory to me. It is straightforward, so take it verbatimly just as it is written. |
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---Eloy on 9/23/05 |
Women used to sit separately from the men in the synogogue, sometimes behind a curtain. Possibly they still do. When women didn't understand something they would sometimes call to their husbands for an explanation. This is distracting just the same as when people chat in church when the pastor is preaching. They were being told to wait until they got home and then ask their husbands. |
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---Xanthi on 9/23/05 |
In that verse it simply means that in the church the men is authorize to have office according in the bible times. cause the women is in under in the authority of a man. then she need to submit to her husband. that is not mean to keep silence is not to give opinion but she can give under the supervision of her husband. |
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---jay_almonte on 9/23/05 |
the best interpretation is probably to see Paul as not forbidding women to manifest spiritual gifts in the service but, rather he prohibits undisciplined discussion that would distrub the service (see 1 corinthians 11:5; Acts 2:8; 21:9). |
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---Elan on 9/23/05 |
basically this passage means that no one should talk out of turn in the church but, go to the head of the church, which is the pastor and ask your questions or talk about your problem. it is not for everyone to here. |
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---marsa on 9/22/05 |
the meaning for that is the women are under the authority of Man because she was created second and she was created as a helpmate for the man and she isn't to be usurping authority over a man because he is the head just like Jesus is the head of the church so should the woman to under subjection of the man |
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---Carrie on 9/22/05 |
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