Juda's was never saved. No where does Scripture indicate he ever put his faith and trust in Christ. The Old Testament people were saved the same way, by faith in the coming Lord. When a person gives his life to Christ by faith he is saved. Juda's never did. He followed Christ, listened to Him, but never confessed his faith in the Lord. Scripture everywhere is clear of one thing a person must do to be saved, and that is to exercise "saving faith" in Christ. |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
#2. Faith is the instrument that God uses to bring individuals into a saving relationship with Himself, that is not to say that faith is the basis of our salvation, grace is, rather, it is the channel by which God grants salvation. The saving power of aith resides not in itself, but in the Almighty Savior on whom it rest. Faith comes to the believer as a gift of God. It is not something that individuals are capable of mustering up on their own. It is all of Grace. |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
First of all we cant fall from grace. once ur saved, gods not going to change his mind and take it away. im mentally ill and fail so many times to the point my life doesnt seem christian. |
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---Kyle on 4/26/08 |
But i believe all u have to do to be saved is believe christ and beleive who he says he is(that almost always changes lifes) and know that the cross is the way to salvation. |
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---Kyle on 4/26/08 |
ecuz the crimanal at the cross next to jesus made it to heaven and had no time to repent of any sins. all he did was identfied him as the messash by fiath. so its faith we are saved. |
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---Kyle on 4/26/08 |
i dont like hearing lost and confused christians say things like u can fall from grace, or repenting from sins is requred for salvation(this is works). but repentece is required for salvation but its called "biblcal repentence" and once u accept jesus as ur lord and savior. u repented and are saved forever more. |
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---Kyle on 4/26/08 |
now about judas. there was no salvation then becuase christ hasnt died yet. so he did go to hell when he hanged himself. but weither jesus went back and hell and saved him. but it would be common sense he would accept the gospel if u are in hell. u would have to be a complete idiot. but i beleive judas is in heaven. we just got to wait and see |
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---Kyle on 4/26/08 |
judas did not repent, infact the last thing he did was kill himself, though the 27th verse says he repented, nut the repentance was made towards "self", he was led by fleshy guilt. repentance is spiritual but the fruit must be physical in you walk with god. |
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---andile on 4/4/08 |
Judas abandoned the flock. Into the house of God we walked in company, but he put forward his hand against such as be at peace with him: he broke his covenant. Even a man of my friendship, whom I trusted in him eating of my bread, has lifted up the heel against me. He is brought down to the pit of destruction, men of blood and deceit will not live half their days. Blot them from the Book of Life, and with the righteous let not be written, from which fell Judas whom goes into his own place. |
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---Eloy on 4/4/08 |
Last year Satan entered my body. No joke. It was a living nightmare. Through that nightmare I learned a lifetime of truth. Catherine, Satan convinced me of many lies. I was ready to die for God. I was ready to die for you. That's why I have empathy for Judas. A human being is no match for Satan if he enters your body.
I learned that God is more powerful than we can even imagine. God is EVERYWHERE. God cares about EVERYTHING we do. God is KIND. God is PURE PERFECT LOVE. |
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---deb on 4/3/08 |
Part 2 of the saga.
Why did God allow this to happen to me? He allowed it because of what it taught me. Before it happened, I thought I was a very good person. I thought I knew it all. HA!
I've learned more than I ever dreamed was possible. God is with each of us from the moment of conception, and never leaves us, ever. We are children of God, and He is bringing us closer to Him every day. |
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---deb on 4/3/08 |
"Satan enters Judas". This is never said of any other individual in the Bible. Some believe Judas will be the future Antichrist. Jesus called Judas, "Son of Perdition". What do you think? I know without a doubt Judas went straight to HELL. |
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---catherine on 4/3/08 |
Matthew 27:3 says Judas repented to himself. Judas confessed to the wrong person, he never went to Jesus and ask for forgiveness. He went to someone who couldn't forgive him of that sin. Judas perished in his own guilt. When Judas gave back the silver he gave it back in the wrong spirit, a desire for relief rather than the hatred of sin. Judas proved his repentance to be false by immediately committing another sin, suicide. God has to draw a person to him before they can get saved. John 6:44. |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/3/08 |
Catherine, why so judgemental? Think "motive". Judas believed that Jesus would fight and that the Jews would win the war & the Romans would be out. He never thought, same as all the rest, that Jesus would die. Once he saw that Jesus was to die & wouldn't defend or attack, he tried to stop it. He realised what Jesus meant when he told them about his death. Only Jesus knows if Judas will go to heaven. We don't know who will, including those like Billy Graham. We don't know. |
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---Chip on 4/2/08 |
Catherine, how do you know?
Please answer. |
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---deb on 4/2/08 |
It specifically says in Matthew 27:3(ASV) that Judas did repent of his sins. Jesus says all you must do is repent and be saved, so why would he not have forgiven Judas? Also in the mainstream Christian theology, Judas is to thank for our salvation, so why do we try to condemn him. God doesn't wish anyone to go to hell, so since Judas repented why would he not be forgiven? I think we could make better use of the story to show how God uses our weaknesses for the better good in the end from Judas. |
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---Ashton on 4/1/08 |
Judas never confessed. Perhaps he confessed, but Judas never repented. Judas is in HELL as I type this. |
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---catherine on 2/27/08 |
Forgiveness is spiritural, you can't see it, you walk in it. Repenting is spiritural, you can't see it, you walk in it. So, unless you are spiritural, then you are unable to help answer this question unless you, yourself can walk in forgiveness: JESUS DID. |
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---Gary on 2/27/08 |
Why are we all playing God.How many men and woman "before Christ died" asked for forgivness? They couldn't,niether could judas. He had to wait "like them" till Jesus came to him in hell. So where he really is now is totally up to God. As far as suicide goes, it is a sin like all other sins and Gods amazing Grace covers it too. If one of you dies in a sinful act like adultry, will you go to hell? or is Gods Grace big enough for that but not suicide? keep it real "GOD REAL" |
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---Pauly on 8/25/07 |
Nana:
Are your saying that according to Luke 23:34, everyone receives eternal secuity regardless of whether they bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is lord and Savior? This is a contradiction to Holy Scripture and the Gosoel.
What I am saying that Judas walked with Christ and saw that he was a loving, merciful and powerful Man, but because of the wickedness of his heart he was unable to take hold of the Grace of Christ and so he rejected it and choose death over life. |
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---Marcia on 8/4/07 |
Marcia , 1)
I quoted Luke 23:34: "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them, for
they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast
lots." Then I asked: Who is being pleaded to the Father for for-
giveness? Is it everybody but Judas? The "who" is them that
"...know not what they do." |
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---Nana on 8/3/07 |
Marcia, (2
You repplied, "Nana: It was everyone who trusted in him as their
Savior and Lord." So then, are you saying that those who trusted
in him as their Savior and Lord are those that did not know what
they were doing? |
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---Nana on 8/3/07 |
Nana: It was everyone who trusted in him as their Savior and Lord. Those who are not forgivin are those whose conscience convicted them because of disbeleif, fear, and pride. Judas own conscience bares witness to his lack of faith in Christ. We cannot say he didn't know. He walked with Christ and saw how merciful he was tolds sinners and those rejected by soceity. He just lacked faith. |
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---Marcia on 8/3/07 |
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Matthew 12:32: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
Luke 23:34: "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." |
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---Nana on 8/3/07 |
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In Luke 23:34, who is being pleaded to the Father for forgiveness? Is it everybody but Judas? |
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---Nana on 8/3/07 |
Judas was the example of the Spirit of Esau one who does not take serious the doctrine and inheritance of Christ the spirit of the Son of perdition one who destroys himself with his vanity he sits on the throne of his own heart ruling his life offering to God the sacrifice of Cain the fruit of the earth, what flesh is made of, flesh sacrifices, pigs flesh, carnal sacrifices, not accepting the
sacrifice given of God his Son. Judas will not take up his cross or lay down his life. |
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---exzucuh on 8/2/07 |
When Jesus was three days in the earth he preached to the captives and took the keys of death hell and the Grave, and took captivity captive, if you were in hell when Jesus Got there would you believe the Gospel and accept Jesus. Judas was there when Jesus Got there, I guess when you go to heaven you can find out if he left with Jesus. |
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---exzucuh on 8/2/07 |
No. We see two examples of betrayal in the Gospel. Peter who denied Christ and Judas who sold Christ for thirty shekels of silver. Judas lack of faith led him to destroy himself. Peter's powerful faith led him to go back and strengthen his brethren. |
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---Marcia on 8/2/07 |
If the mind change does not put the mark of Christ crucified in your forehead (the forefront of the mind), you are still functioning like Judas and still trying to hang yourself. Number one, it won't work. Number two, it is anti-christ and the number of a man. |
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---Linda on 8/1/07 |
If he had accepted Jesus' hanging as his hanging, he would not have went out and done it himself. True repentance would have been his accepting that. There are many Christians who think they have repented from sin just because they stopped by their own will. A turn from sin to one's own self-effort is not repentance toward God. |
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---Linda on 8/1/07 |
Judas was never forgiven as Jesus himself referred to him as the "son of perdition" which could have only meant that he was HELL BOUND from the beginning. |
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---jody on 8/1/07 |
I do not believe Judas was forgiven. Nor do I believe Judas was ever saved. I believe that Judas was the want of the 12 that "is a devil"-- I do believe he repented himself(changed his mind) but I do not believe he asked for forgiveness. I believe repentance is necessary for salvation to take place, but I do not believe there is any salvation in repentance. |
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---Mima on 8/1/07 |
Yes mima the scriptures say that he repented himself, but was it true repentance? From a sincere heart? Did he ask to be forgiven by God? And why would he hang himself if he truely repented? |
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---Cynthia on 7/31/07 |
It says that Judas repented of himself. It doesn't say he repented to Jesus. There are three words in Greek meaning repentance. Metamelomai is used of a change of mind, but not a change of heart. Like Judas. Metanoeo meaning to change one's mind and purpose as a result of after knowledge. Metanoia means true repentance, a change of mind and purpose in life to which remission of sin is promised. |
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---Rebecca_D on 7/31/07 |
Judas did not confess. He was remorseful, but not repentant. He went and threw the silver onto the floor of the temple, then he went and hanged himself. Acts 1:25 says that Judas "by transgression fell". He could only have fallen from grace, which meant that he went to Hell when he died. Jesus said in John 17:12 "that none be lost, except the son of perdition" which was Judas. |
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---Helen_5378 on 7/31/07 |
Cynthia--"I do not believe that judas was forgiven because he never repented." Please look at following verse Matthew 27:3 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,"
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---Mima on 7/31/07 |
u>There is no proof in the Bible that Judas confessed His sins to the Lord. The Bible said that Judas threw the money in the temple and then he hang Himself (suicide). Those who commit suicide are not in Heaven, but are condemen to Hell.
"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born" (Matthew 26:24). |
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---Ramon on 7/30/07 |
I do not believe that judas was forgiven because he never repented. |
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---Cynthia on 7/30/07 |
i dont really know,but all i know his judas wont be in heaven |
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---nikki on 7/30/07 |
Jesus forgave Judas of his betrayal, but Judas was not able to accept this forgiveness. All that aside, the betrayal wasn't Judas's sin. Not only did Judas commit suicide, but he prevented the Lord's greatest Divine act: being able to personally forgive the person who was the cause of His suffering and death. Imagine how different the world would be if Jesus had be able to forgive his betrayer and take him back into the fold. Imagine a world free of hatred or revenge, even in the face of death... |
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---Tony on 7/30/07 |
Jesus knew Judas would betray him and said do it quickly or He wouldn't be crucified. He told Peter he would betray him too three times. He knew everything unfolding and allowed it to happen so He could die for all of us. Judas knew he betrayed him and felt genuine remorse in his heart. He knew he couldn't live with that sin and killed himself. Many people do the same today. They elevate wealth and greed above Jesus Christ only with no remorse. Who is forgiven, Judas or christians who don't repent. |
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---ashley on 6/14/07 |
Judas did not confess. He threw the money into the temple and went and hanged himself. |
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---Helen_5378 on 6/13/07 |
In order for Christ to forgive us, we must first ask to be forgiven. Judas didn't do that. He didn't ask Christ to forgive him, instead he betrayed him and then kissed him on the cheek. Judas done many works yes, and has seen Jesus perform works, but his works didn't get him forgiven. All he had to do was ask, but he didn't. This is where unrepented sins comes in. Unrepented sins aren't forgiven. |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/13/07 |
I believe Judas was forgiven. Repentance of sin never forgave any sin. (Will our works take sin away?) If repentance was all there was, why the Blood? |
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---calhoon on 6/13/07 |
No, because Judas never asked God to forgive him. He repented of himself. Yes Judas had a choice. He chose to betray Christ. He chose silver over streets of gold. He was a follower of Christ, he seen the miracles Jesus performed. Satan didn't enter into him until they were at the Lord's last supper, and when he sopped his bread, Satan entered into him then. Judas had a choice. |
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---Rebecca_D on 6/12/07 |
Judas illustrates that mere association does not make anyone a Believer or a godly person. For all those who have gone to church all their lives, The fact that Judas was an intimate of Jesus Himself carries a definite warning. It is a commitment of trust in Jesus and not mere affiliation with Him that redeems and secure one in Christ. When Judas finally realized the enormity of what he had done it was too late. Judas's choice was history's most terrible betrayal. >>>NO! He was not saved. |
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---catherine on 6/11/07 |
I always thought that Judas was forgiven even before his birth since he was predestined to be the "betrayer" - did Judas ever really have a choice in all of this? It seems he never had any other way? |
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---James on 6/11/07 |
We have no way of knowing, that is between him and God. He repented but then he committed suicide. Recon we will find out when we get there. No one on earth knows the condition of anyone elses soul. It is between that person and God! We are not the judges, although many people think they are. All we know is what we see, God sees the heart! And He judges righteous judgement accordingly. He sees why we do what we do, not just what we do. |
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---PAT on 5/8/07 |
The place in Scripture that talks about Judas' replacement, and that which was quoted by Peter, is found in Psalm 109. The curse of Judas was prophesied by David in vs. 6-20 of Psalm 109.
Judas was not forigiven and his family suffered with him. |
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---David7647 on 10/30/05 |
i agree with Rebecca,if his change of heart was genuine then he would have gone to Pontius Pilate to whom he had Jesus arrested, and beg Jesus for forgiveness, and beg that he be released, or else to trade places with him. Judas felt guilty enough to kill himself, but he could have been repenting while he was killing himself, in that case he could have been forgiven. Please read Acts 1:20. |
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---Eloy on 10/25/05 |
Funny, I have been studing this out in the last week. When they selected Matthias, there was a requirement that had to be fulfilled to be one of the 12 Apostles, Acts 1:21-26. Judas was tempted, even Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Matthew 27:3 says Judas repented of himself. I believe Judas was saved, just lost the priviledge of being able to judge over Israel. Matthew 19:28 talks of the judge of the 12 tribes. |
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---geraa7578 on 10/24/05 |
Jesus already knew Judas was of what kind of persons. John 6:70 John 13:18 John 17:12
Judas wanted glory from the Satanic side by selling Jesus.He utterly forsoke Jesus. Mark 14:44 But the Satanic side did not like Judas.Matthew 27:4 Judas did not please either side. Judas is similar to King David's counsel Ahithophel 2 Samuel 16:20-23 17:1-4 |
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---Wade8454 on 10/24/05 |
Judas repented himself, Mt 27:3. He saw his sin in a new light, and "hsi conscience bounded by fury". But him returning the silver didn't undo the wrong, it was restored in a wrong spirit, a desire for relief rather than hatred of sin. He confessed to the wrong person, who could not grant forgiveness. I don't think Jesus forgave him because Judas never asked. |
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---Rebecca_D on 10/7/05 |
Andy..question. I may have missed something. Where does it state that the 12 disciples would be on the 12 thrones of Israel? I thought that each of the 12 thrones would be occupied by 1 ruler from each tribe of Israel. Please show me. Thanks. |
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---Ann5758 on 10/2/05 |
Ok, the way I read it, Jesus himself forgave Judas.
As for him being replaced, I cannot find it anywhere in scripture. Could you please advise where it is?
Thanks :)
Moderator - Acts 1:23-26 |
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---Monte on 10/2/05 |
Brother Bob is correct on Repentance and confession. Many churches believe in confession but when there is no repentance they continue to sin, and their confession is usless. There is no change in the person, spiritually. Repentance is a change of direction or thinking in the way we live. Being sorry does not mean you have repented. Judas was sorry but he didn't repent. |
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---Lupe2618 on 10/2/05 |
Not according to The word's of Messias/Jesus Christ, or Simon Peter's sermon shortly before Pentecost.
Being sorry & repentence [Godly Sorrow] are two different things!
Judas is a classic example of "having a form of Godliness, but denying the Power thereof" [having done all the works/miracles the other disciples did while with Jesus Christ].
"Not Of Works ........".
Hanging one's self is not turning away from sin(s), i.e. repentence.
Moderator - Bob please stop making separate paragraphs for each sentence. It takes to long to read. Thanks. |
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---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/1/05 |
in the gospels jesus said that the 12 disciples would sit on the 12 thrones of israel as judges. judas was among the 12. logic follows that judas is part of that 12 in heaven. we've all betrayed jesus at one time and it's obvious that if judas hadn't truly repented that it would never have even been mentioned. even if he hung himself his bowels didn't just come out on their own as the word mentions. he may have been murdered by angry followers of christ or by the officials who paid him in the first place.
Moderator - Judas was replaced with a new apostle. |
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---andy on 10/1/05 |
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