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Is Everything Already Predestined

What is your view on predestination as viewed by the Calvinist? My sister believes Everything is already predestined, so why pray?

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6. In both the Old and New Testament, when the word "if" is used in a prophecy, or when it comes from God, it is meant to have a purpose that God wants to accomplish. In no way does it mean He does not know what you will or will not do. It is a condtion in the prophecy to get a result from the person or persons. It maintains God's attribute of Immutable and His character of Love and Righteousness without one contradicting the other, sometimes even when the word "if" is not included,
---Lupe2618 on 6/24/07


God made living beings with a free will to interact with him. And each soul generally knows right from wrong, as the day is divided into half daylight and hald darkness, so each of us experiences both aspects of good and bad things. The wicked who reject God know their wrong, that's why most of them commit their crimes of sin in the dark thinking that they will not be seen. When we pray, God often changes his plans, just as when a child comes to their father with requests, so too God answers our requests.
---Eloy on 4/12/06


Pure Calvinism is a mistake. Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world(everybody). Because of this the individual has free will to choose. That choice is already known by God before it is made. So predestination is a fact in the all knowing mind of God. We are not all-knowing, therefore we pray and witness to all because we do not know who will or will not be saved.
---mima on 4/12/06


If God chooses who will be saved then how can we say that He is a loving God. For God so loved the WORLD. Doesn't predestination make God out to show favouritism. I thought God loved everyone equally. So if everything is predestined then why pray and why evangelise when God has already decided. I think God chooses everyone and it is up to us to accept his free gift of grace and salvation and respond to his Holy Spirits confiction.
---Jayne on 4/12/06


Prayer is communication with God. If we like someone,certainly we like to communicate with him/her. Wade8454
---Wade on 10/24/05




Eloy, you are a great guy and a great brother. I read most of your post. Many on this site have great knowledge like you do. I have learned a lot from many. My answers to you were only for you to check not for anything else. We all work for one employeer, Christ. We all have what we have learned and God uses us in many ways. Why I have learned what I have learned only God knows. I answer you and everyone to the best of my ability on what God has shown me.
---Lupe2618 on 10/13/05


Lupe, Thank you for your compliments.
---Eloy on 10/13/05


here's a couple of verses to help:
Lu 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
---gabriel on 10/13/05


time and again the Bible urges us to pray; even Jesus Himself prayed in the garden before His death. just because God knows everything and has already laid out our lives, doesn't mean we don't have free will. no one made me get saved, or answer the call to ministry, or even reply to your blog. God gives us a choice, He doesn't force anything on us.
---gabriel on 10/13/05


God is Omniscient - all knowing - as well as God gives us the free will. Through prayer we submit to His will, an act of humbleness that is pleasing to God.
---Amor on 10/13/05




Ruben, even if I don't know you in person, I do love you brother. I don't want to sound like I don't. I know what the Catholics teach very well. I am not here to speak bad about the Catholic church but sometimes we cannot avoid it because of history. So many times my answers will include Catholicism. Everyone here has a place where they worship, but it is what we learn that is more important. Not the denomination.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


3. The day my Baptist church stops teaching sound doctrine, I will move on. I don't care about denominations, but about learning as much as I can so that I can be approve to answer correctly when someone ask me what I believe in and why. So forgive me for my answer to you, I don't want to sound mean but we have a purpose Ruben, and it Christ, not the Roman Catholic Church or Baptist, or anyone else.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


2. You seem to think that life does not exist outside the Catholic Church. You read "Catholic" on an answer and your pride gets to you and you answer. You are more focussed about your church than what you are learning about Christ. Christ is our focus. We are one body Ruben. One Church. Not your church but one body of believers in Christ. One family, Working for our Lord Jesus Christ not the Rome Catholic Church.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


Ruben, I think you should take a study in the history of the church. I have so much material on it and I believe if you study to make yourself approve you will find out. It would take me days to explain all the things that your church was teaching and doing and it would take too much space. Plus, it would not be fair for me to just include your denomination without showing that many others teach the same thing. It isn't about your church Ruben, it is about the body of Christ that I worry about.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


Lupe-(They were teaching Pelagianism for a long time.) The Catholic Church never taught that! You are giving FALSE information, please provide for me where you are getting this. Thanks
---ruben on 10/12/05


6. Just in that one verse it teaches that, Satan is their father and, their will is to do their fathers desires. They do have a free will, but their desires are for evil. They will not choose God because they have no desire for God. The lost person is slave to sin.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


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5. because their deeds were evil." Eloy, Just in two verses in Romans 8 we are told, "the mind is hostile to God, does not submit to God's law, indeed it cannot submit. Cannot please God." If there was one thing that we could do to please Him, "like coming to Him with a humble heart" then Paul would have lied to us telling us there is no way to please Him. John 8:44, You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your fathers desires."
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


4. Romans 8:17-19, "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, indeed it connot; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." 1 Cor. 2:14: "The Unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." John 3:19, And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkeness rather that light,
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


3. I don't understand what it is that is so hard. When God speaks to us through His Word to obey this and that, He is speaking to the believers. Adam and Eve and Satan had a free will. Just like the believers. How do you reconcile all the Scriptures? What do you do with them when they don't agree with what you believe? Its all up to each one of us in our relationship with Christ since we do have a free will. You can try to find the Truth or you can just believe what you want. Its your free choice.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


2. The biggest obsticle you will encounter as I had said before is faith. You cannot escape that it comes from God. The day you begin to think it comes from us then you will have changed Scripture and if possible, start a new religion. Anything is possible. Free will can take anyone that far because the free will the lost use is not for God. Every person makes his own choices but the lost never make choices for Christ, their free choices will always be for the world but never for God.
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


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Eloy, we can only obey God when we see God and love God. A lost person cannot see are even want to do anything for God. Now the Christian is told to obey because he knows right from wrong since He knows and loves God. If he doesn't love God, he is not one of His. There is no mystery to that Eloy. How can a lost person obey something he doesn't love or for that matter has enmity towards? You want the lost person to react to God orders when He is separated from Him. How rediculous is that?
---Lupe2618 on 10/12/05


Lupe, God commands the hardened heart to repent, then his grace can come and convert, but not before. The fact is we are each responsible to either obey or dis God, without God's force, that is freely are choice to make. Just as living in the Spirit or living in the flesh is totally up to the individual where he/she stays.
---Eloy on 10/12/05


Eloy, I understand you know a lot about Scripture and you have helped many on line. I know from reading everyone's post. I don't expect everyone to suddenly change their way of thinking. I don't know what God has in store for each one of us, all I am doing is answering in the best way I know how. What God does with it, is up to Him. For now I am writing here and later I will be doing something else. Where ever He leads me I will go. I prayed that what I answer will be for His glory. Never for me.
---Lupe2618 on 10/11/05


5. The Author of this "second" birth is the Holy Spirit, the instrument, which He uses, is the Word of God. That is why we need to hear the Word of God first. The book of Ephesians is but one book in Scripture that explains the whole process. It explains who we were without Christ, when we were walking to the prince of the air. It explains why and how we come to Christ, and who we are in Christ. Every singel Word of Scripture, with the correct meaning to us the believer, for our understanding.
---Lupe2618 on 10/11/05


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4. by the inward supernatural call of the Spirit when He quickens the heart and through regeneration makes him alive and creates within him faith and repentance. As you already know that we cannot have faith if we are dead. We cannot see God if we are blind. A lost sinner has no access to God. No sinner has any right or worthines in himself for access to God, but the believers have been granted that right through faith in Christ's sacrificial death.
---Lupe2618 on 10/11/05


3. by which the sinner is made a child of God and is given spiritual life. His will is renewed through this process so that the sinner spontaneously comes to Christ of his own free choice. Because he is given a new nature so that he loves righteousness, and because his mind is enlightened so that he understands and believes the Biblical gospel, the renewed sinner freely and willingly turns to Christ as Lord and Savior. So then, the once dead sinner is drawn to Christ
---Lupe2618 on 10/11/05


2. will take him out of the state he is in and bring him to the light. You see Eloy, the Holy Spirit performs a work of grace within the sinner, which inevitably brings him to faith in Christ. The inward change wrought in the sinner enables him to understand and believe spiritual truth; in the spiritual realm he is given the Seeing eye and the Hearing ear. The Spirit creates within him a new heart or a new nature. This is accomplished through regeneration or the new birth
---Lupe2618 on 10/11/05


Eloy, you are right on the matter of faith. Faith does come from hearing. Yet many hear and don't get it. If the Word of God says, "it comes from" that suggest or means we don't have faith inside ourselves to believe. Many here on the net already believe we have it. That is why Scripture mentions that it comes from God through Grace. We don't know who will get faith when they hear God's Word so we witness to others praying with the hope that God
---Lupe2618 on 10/11/05


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Lupe, Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God. God has commanded all to repent and be saved. Lupe, you alone are responsible and held accountable for your own life, whether you choose to follow righteousness or not, not God. Else God would be unjust in condemning sinners to everlasting hell fire. Please read Acts 17:30,31; John 3:19-21.
---Eloy on 10/10/05


2. I have heard just about every explanation from others in seven months or so on line. I have heard that "no one is lost unless they reject Jesus", the thought is great and it would mean many would not be lost in the world, but that too is not Scriptural. The world has been judged already. We would not need missionaries. Because, if we didn't take the gospel to them they would be ok. So long as they don't hear they would be saved.
---Lupe2618 on 10/10/05


Yes, it was my response to the Lord that I could now see. He opened my eyes to Him Eloy. I could not see Him before. Without the work of the Holy Spirit, I would have remained the same. If the Holy Spirit had not convicted me of my actions I would have never repented. That action of my repentance came from the conviction God put in my heart. You cannot believe without faith, and that faith comes from God.
---Lupe2618 on 10/10/05


Lupe, you said, ..."I begged for His help". That clearly is your doing, your free doing, and your freedom of choice in operation when you chose to beg for God's help. God did not force you to do this, nor does he force anyone to come to him. We each must make the choice for ourselves who we are going to serve. God says, "I set before you this day life and death, blessing and cursing, choose this day whom you will serve."
---Eloy on 10/10/05


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5. Christianity is a religion of utter reliance on God for salvation and all things necessary to it, or of self-reliance and self-effort." Those are the issues that are set for us as Christians. Are we saved? we sure are. It doesn't effect our salvation, but only how we look at our salvation.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


4. Whether sinners are wholly helpless in their sin, and whether God is to be thought of as saving them by free, unconditional, invincible grace, not only justifying them for Christ's sake when they come to faith, but also raising them from the death of sin by His quickening Spirit in order to bring them to faith. Here was the crucial issue: whether God is the author, not merely of justification, but also of faith; whether, in the last analysis,
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


3. Even brother Emcee wants to proof his point that it is the other denominations who are at fault and that the Roman Catholic church is the true church. What he fails to see is that the reform view started because of what the church was doing wrong at the time. They were teaching Pelagianism for a long time. From there they followed James Arminius. To the Reformers, the crucial question was not simply, whether God justifies believers without works of law. It was the broader questions.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


2. yet he didn't teach it. He mentioned to me that as Christians we should look ahead not in the past. I can understand his job was big because the church was over a 1000 members. He thought the subject was to hard for others to understand. There is many reasons why it is not taught. Modernism, pragmatism, and signs and wonders have entered the church. Some love them and others don't. More visions to the church and more prophets having dreams. Everything has entered the body of Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


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Sister Ulrika and brother Alan, the subject of God's sovereignty is a delicate subject since many of us are brought up in what is called Arminianism. "That man is not competely fallen. That he has it within himself to save himself. That is taught almost in every country and most denominations. At one time in history people that taught that were called heretics. It seems that doctrine doesn't matter much anymore. My former pastor, at a Pentacostal church, believed in the reform view,
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


Sister Ulrika, thank you for discussing Scripture. I know it does not say that He came to save the whole world. My statement was to the fact that not the whole world is saved. If It pleased God He could have saved the whole world since in Isaiah He tells us He does all that He pleases. That was the reference. The one given to me was, that He came to seek and save that which was lost. Mine was, that He does do all that He pleases.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


Oh sorry for the incorrect name I put down. It was Lazarus not Nicodemus that was dead. I supposed everyone here knew who I was talking about.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


Lupe, I agree that we have a choice. God knows the future, so he knows what we will choose. Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. But not to save the whole world, is not in that verse, and I don't agree with it. The whole world is lost, until they are saved. Not all will be saved, because they choose to reject Jesus. John 3:16,17 Acts 2:21 1John 4:14
---Ulrika on 10/9/05


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Lupe ... but there is a shade of difference between how we see this choice. I think when God calls us (however that may be) we can choose to reject. When the master sent his servants rounds the streets and byways to gather in the beggars, etc, it was because those whom He had first invited to the feast chose not to come. They made that choice, not the master of the feast
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/05


Thank you Alan and Eloy. I don't expect anyone to jump with joy and say, Lupe you are right. I know each one of us is saved that read Scripture and glad we do have a relationship with Christ. That is what is so wonderful. We can discuss things of God because we believe already. Praise God on each day and may we give Him all the glory and honor for coming into our life's. May we always hunger for His Word.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


2. Your statement is so true because when God calls us we do have a choice, we can see His wonderful glory and awesomeness. We fall to our knees and beg for forgiveness. We have sight to see as He brings us to life. Did Necodemus say, No Lord, I want to go back to death after Jesus woke him from his death? I believe he jump in joy for what Christ did for him. Once we see Christ we rejoice in His glory. While dead, Necodemus could do nothing but be dead. It took the act of Christ to bring him to life.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


if you go to verse 13, you will read who grants salvation. Alan thank you for your answer and I do believe that the one that believes has eternal life. On the next one you talk about the prodigal son but the lost are not sons of God until the are adopted as His children when they are born again. They can fall but they never stop been sons of God. He is always their Father. On part three, You say "It does not deminish Him if we say that He allows choice to those whom He is calling"
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


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5. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about What I have planned, that will I do." Do we dare say that what we want will happen? Can we say as clay that we can change the outcome of God's plan?
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


4. Carrying with us Christ, to share Him with others. Christ came to seek that which was lost but not to save the whole world, for if He had the whole world would be save since He is God. He does all that He pleases. If you go to Isaiah 46:8-11, God reminds us believers who He is, "Remember this, fix it in mind, take it to heart, your rebels. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


3. We go out and preach the gospel to the unbeliever and his heart of stone does not know the things of God, but when the Holy Spirit changes that heart of stone he is able to respond to the things of God. Without the work of the Holy Spirit that heart remains the same. It takes an act of God for that heart to change. We as believers do not know who will be saved and who won't so we go out as we are commanded to do. Then we pray and ask God to change the person and to do His will on him or her.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


2. The word of God to the unbeliever is foolishness. But to us it is the power of God. So we read the story on Job and we don't question it. We believe it even if we don't understand why women and children that were innocent had to die. God through the story has a message for us and we move on. We read them all and even if we don't all read the correct interpration of every verse it is nevertheless for the believer only. He commands us to pray and witness to others.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


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Donna, this is what I believe. The bible is for the believer. Every story and every word of God is for us only. It is for teaching us to be approve to witness. It begans with God creating. His Sovereign power. It explains what happened to the some when they didn't obey. He tells us who we were without Him. How we followed the prince of the air. From Adam and Eve and works His way all through Scripture talking to us. Teaching us, correcting us, and preparing us for work. The bible is for us.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


Lupe & Eloy #3
One of the things about the person who is allpowerful is that they do not need to exercise that power.
God has absolute power ... it does not diminish Him if we say that he allows choice to those whom He is calling ... and allows some to reject that call.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/05


Lupe & Eloy #2
The parable of the Prodigal Son has the son making the decision to return humbly to his father, and beg forgiveness. Nothing there, Lupe, about the father deciding that he will bring his son back.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/05


Lupe & Eloy The Son of God came "to seek and save that which was lost" Perhaps Lupe you would take that to support your theory that it is God who decides who He will save, and who He will chose not to save. But it does not say that He will only seek and save selected people.
"Whosover believes in Him ... will have eternal life" That suggests that we have the choice to believe.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/05


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6. The next night during an Easter play, I saw the nails put on Christ, and I felt the pain He took for me. That night I commited my life to the Lord. He reached out to me and I took His hand. April 9th 1990. I know who saved me and I will never take the glory and honor that only He deserves, what I didn't deserve He gave me. A new life in Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


5. I don't have it backwards Eloy. I know who saved me. I never seeked God. I loved what I was doing until the day He came into my heart. He broke me and humbled me, He gave me sight so I could see Him and I begged for His help. He saved me and gave me a new life. Without Him I would still be lost Eloy. I thank Him everyday for what He did for me. It was all the work of the Lord when a little girl put her hands on me and prayed,
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


4. God gives you the ear to hear and the eye to see the things of God. Even the understanding. What could you do without them? All we have and all we will have comes from God. When you are saved then you can make a free choice, just like Adam and Eve. You are able to know right from wrong and make a choice. When lost your father is the devil. You have another whom you love. Without the working of the Holy Spirit a person will never come to Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


3. In your understanding, he wouldn't need the blood of Christ to save him at all. He would have the power to do it himself. The faith to believe comes from the Lord Eloy. Even the repentance comes from Him. You even mentioned before that the gift of the Spirit can bring someone to life when dead. I thought it was a great statement, because you put God first. I have read all your statements before.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


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2. A person lost doesn't need a doctor, he needs God to revive him. Only one person can revive a lost person, God. Even in your prior statements you have stated that you would be dead if God had not saved you. In life you might be dying and you can will all you want but it is God who keeps you alive. If He doesn't save then why pray for God's will on a person to come to Christ? Wait until the person himself wills himself to God's kingdom. you won't need God cause man would be capable on his own.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


Eloy, a lost person has free will is for evil and never for God. In your believe, man hasn't fallen at all. He still can see God, hear God, and even talk to God. In your believe, he is not dead spiritually to the things of God, and is even able to discern the things of God. In other words, he has no enmity against God. I suppose if all that is true then you are right. But you are not. A person lost is not wounded, he is dead.
---Lupe2618 on 10/9/05


Lupe, you got it backwards, each person has freedom to either obey or disobey God. Just because a person is unsaved does not mean that they are unable to obey, else we would all be robots without any freewill. God's command to the unsaved is to repent or righten themself with God, and the unsaved does have complete power to obey this command, then and only then will he save them and give the life eternal.
---Eloy on 10/8/05


Ruben, I don't know what it is you are talking about that is why I could not answer you. I see you put a C. but don't know what will you are talking about. If it is God's will, then Yes, it is God's will no matter what we think. But that is not even in the verse. You can put all you want in it. If you are sincere with God's word, you will see that the "condition" for life everlasting is to believe. Without it, there is nothing.
---Lupe2618 on 10/8/05


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I believe what you believe confuses your own words because you cannot make it match. It will not come together for you unless you believe that God saves you Eloy. He is the cause of our salvation. Then you obey. When Jesus prayed he made sure to say, "He did not pray for the world but for His sheep".
---Lupe2618 on 10/8/05


Eloy, you cannot obey when you are lost because you don't believe to start with. You have to be born again Eloy. Can you not see that?
---Lupe2618 on 10/8/05


Steve, you are correct in saying that John 3:16 illustrates freewill on man's part whether to obey God, or whether to dis God, and each free choice brings a result. The original Greek reads, "For God so loved the world that his Son the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal." Notice the freewill requirement is to obey and follow him, in order to possess life eternal; the freewill choice not to obey will bring the opposite, which is abandonment.
---Eloy on 10/8/05


Hi-(believes in Him" should not perish but have everlasting life." (A. whoever believes B. has eternal life). And C. SHOULD not WILL....
---ruben on 10/7/05


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Brother Steve, John 3:16 does not speak about free will. It says that those that believe will have everlasting life. I believe if you read it you will see what I am talking about. Verse :15, "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life, 16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that "whoever believes in Him" should not perish but have everlasting life." (A. whoever believes B. has eternal life).
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


Brother Steve, John 3:16 does not speak about free will. It says that those that believe will have everlasting life. I believe if you read it you will see what I am talking about. Verse :15, "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life, 16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that "whoever believes in Him" should not perish but have everlasting life." (A. whoever believes B. has eternal life).
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


2. even the beginning of faith, the disposition to seek salvation, is itself a work of grace and the gift of God. Paul often says that we are saved "through" faith (that is, as the instrumental cause), but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith (that is, as the meritorious cause). And to the same effect we may say that the redeemed shall be rewarded in proportion to their good works, but not on account of them. Repentance is equally declared to be a gift.
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


Xanthi, just a comment on something to you for thought. No other reason. The Scriptures and Christian experience teach us that the very faith and repentance through which we are saved are themselves the gifts of God, "By grace have ye been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God," Eph.2:8. The Christians in Achaia had "Believed through grace," Acts 18:27. A man is not saved because he believers in Christ; he believes in Christ because he is saved.
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


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, "Those he foreknew, he also planned on", Romans eight.
---steve on 10/6/05


Yes Eloy, Ahad did change his ways, because repentance is a change of direction. Its exactly what happens to the unbliever when God's word touches him or her. If verse 27 did not cause him to repent then I guess I read it wrong. My apologies. I don't believe Satan, in anyway, has any connection on God's sovereignty or His character or attributes. Any connection with Satan in the interpretation of Scripture about God's character or nature is wrong. I thank you for your answer, and see you on another one.
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


, calvinism, if taken too literally, can imply that God never allows any free will, and many verses have to be ignored for that view to prevail, such as John 3:16, which clearly indicates free will.
---steve on 10/6/05


Lupe, Ahab did not change his mind, God did. When Ahab prayed, God heard and seen and he gave mercy to Ahab instead of his beforesaid judgment. When we sincerely pray, God interacts with us and many times changes his intended plans. One of Satan's lies is saying that prayer does no good because God does only what he wants to do. But Scripture refutes this lie. God is a caring and interacting God, and not a onesided selfish God. Even the dead can be raised by a prayer.
---Eloy on 10/6/05


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Eloy, when did Ahad changed his mind? It was right after he heard the words of God in verse 27. The prophecy convicted him just as God's word convicts us when He tells us not to do something. We hear Him and we repent and ask for forgiveness. You and I see God working through time as we are, but to Him time does not exist. He is outside of time. It is hard to imagine God outside of time, because we are still living and making decisions on our own. My words came from scripture for you to check.
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


8. In 1 Kings, the condition "if" was not included but meant the same. God received the repentance of Ahad, for it came from his heart but only because of the fear of what God was going to do, yet it accomplished God's purpose. Did God know he was going to repent? Yes. Nothing ever happens beyond the scope of His sovereign providential government. He makes the rain to fall and the sun to shine. He raises up kingdoms and bring them down. He numbers the hairs on our head and the days of our life.
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


7. it will have the same result. If you read Jeremiah 18:7-10, you will see the "If" word from God. These verses help us to qualify the concept of God's Immutability more clearly. God occasionally changes His predicted actions so that He remains consistent in His character, since men sometimes changes there behavior and relationship to God, God changes His predicted actions toward them correspondingly, in order to remain consistent with His own character of Love and Righteousness,
---Lupe2618 on 10/6/05


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