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Christians Observe Pagan Days

Something I've always wanted to know ... why do we Christians observe our holidays the same days as the pagans ... usually during the equinoxes. Doesn't this go back to the Roman Catholic Church?

Moderator - You are correct Christians shouldn't be observing pagan holidays. The roots come from Nimrod in the Book of Genesis. These pagan and satanic roots from Nimrod were passed down from culture to culture. The Roman Catholic Church in order to increase numbers of members merged these pagan and satanic practices into the church by meeting the pagans half way between paganism and Christianity. This formed the basis of the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today.

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Christ my Lord was not born on the 25 December...but Tammuz the son of Nimrod was..bring up Semaranus the mother of tammuz and you will find that Tammuz was born 25 dec...not my Savior...this is a Catholic teaching pushed into Christianity cunningly...The priest fathered Tammuz...not the Holy Spirit..Amen
---rtp on 1/11/10


The exact date of Jesus' birth is a mystery. The Bible does give one clue. The shepherds were in the fields with their flocks at night when Jesus was born. This clearly indicates that Jesus was born during the warmer seasons. During the coldest months like December or January, the shepherds didn't sleep in the fields but would bring their flocks into corals.

There is virtual agreement among scholars that December 25 is not the birth date, not even the month that Jesus was born.
---Sheila on 12/12/07


.always on, simply put, if you are of Christ, then you will honor the holy days glorifying Christ. But if you are not of Christ, then you are accepting of pagan customs. There is no mixing of the two very different celebrations: Jesus Christ is not the Easter Rabbit, but rather the Eastern Rabbi, and Jesus Christ is not the Santa Claus from the North Pole with his 8 reindeer, but rather the Sacred Child from Heaven circumcised on the 8th day.
---Eloy on 7/22/07


Do you think that Deut. 12:30-32 is telling us not to take the ways that heathens worship and try to apply them to our Father? Verse 32 says to observe only what He commands and not to add to that or take away. Do you think this includes for us to keep only the feasts He commanded and not to make up any new ones which aren't in the bible (or take pagan days and recreate them to apply to Him)?
---AlwaysOn on 7/21/07


Christians do not observe pagan holidays. We observe Christ's passover, sacrificial death and resurrection every April- and not the easter bunny. And we observe Christ's birthday on earth on December 25- and not santy clause.
---Eloy on 7/21/07




It is a falsehood that pagans started the holy days, and christians just adopted them by adding christian embellishments. The Astarte idol has nothing to do with Pasover, and was instituted 2,669 years after Adam was created, when Moses was 80 years old in 1525 B.C. And the Mithra idol has nothing to do with Christmas: Christmas was instituted by the magi in honor of Christ's birth, in the city of Bethlehem on the night of December 25, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 7/21/07


Christmas has no pagan roots. Christmas started at the birth of Christ in Bethlehem of Judea on the night of December 25, 5 B.C., and the magi came to his feed rack and offered him gifts of olibanum, gold, and sweet-smelling myrrh. Nope, no paganism at all, only a holy birth on earth where holiness put on flesh.
---Eloy on 7/21/07


Christmas trees are pagan things..slipped into christianity by the pagans..Tammus, the son of a Priest mothered by Semaranus wife of Nimrod was born on the 25thDec. Semaranus lied that the sun made her pregnant so there4, people worshiped Tammus the son of the Sun God instead of the son of a priest who was naughty with a adulteress mother.
---jana on 7/21/07


So what has Tammus got to do withthe birth of Christ.I don't see what that has to do with the event.If your birthday & mine Fall on the same day is there a relationship?Are you a Pagan,if so, & tammus is your God You may do as you please.But remember It was this God Jesus Christ that created Tammus Nimrod & the adulterous samaranus.Dont you think He is Greater?This is the truth.
---Emcee on 7/20/07


Just curious, why do so many Protestants object to Catholics replacing all of the Pagan holidays? Why is it more important to non-Catholics to remember which pagan entity was supposedly born on December 25 than to have day to encourage the celebration of Christ's birth. Why are so many so-called Christians trying to preserve the Pagan roots of our Christian holidays - forget them, they are not important - ONLY JESUS is.
---lorra8574 on 7/20/07




To recall a recall The answer of truth lies in Genesis God created the universe & sent His son to redeem the world which engaged in the Pagan rites of those days.A great percentage have acccepted the truthIn Jesus our Saviour & His spotless obedient Human mother chosen by God, He left His church In cap-able Hands which defies the onslaught of Satan with all his pomps & works but as the Lord says "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it I AM WITH YOU"
---Emcee on 7/20/07


**Doesn't this go back to the Roman Catholic Church?
**

No.

The only feast that seems to fall around an equinox is the Pascha (Easter).

Christmas falls at a SOLSTICE, though this might be a hard distinction for oyou to make.

There are no no Christian feasts that fall on the summer solstice or fall equinox.

So you "usually during the equinoxes" is simply not true.

Try again.
---Jack on 7/20/07


Elder "When do you think or consider that the RCC was a Christian church?"

Elder ... as you will have observed elsewhere, I believe that the Roman church has many unbiblical doctrines and practices. But I do believe that it is a Christian outfit ... or trying to be, as the rest of us are as well. I doubt if anyone has got it 100% right!
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/20/07


emcee, Nimrod a hunter yes, but his wife Semaranus killed Nimrod and then lied that she got pregnant by the sun when truth is she was dillydallying with the priests and got preggy..and her son Tammus was born 25 december .. Christ was not born on this date...wrong teachings crept into the church then...Nimrod an innocent man..
---jana on 8/20/06


Moderator::Having read all the blogs on this subject.It seems you have a bias towards the RCC.In order to support my statement,You have used Nimrod, wife descendants of Cush to be pagans & gods through church history. Nimrod was a hunter not a god the early christians were all pagans given to worshiping idols.If you say you belong to the early christians then you are a pagan too.You have collaborated with 1st Cliff who provided you with this information vide his answer dated9/10/05 at the very start.

Moderator - Why would you not want to learn the truth? Please answer.
---Emcee on 11/5/05


Christians should observe the celebrations or festavels in the bible. Usually they were Jewish celebrations .We should only observe God& the holy bible & it is not ok to "suger coat" the holidays because we "think" because we change something more christ-like it'll be "ok" because in the end it still doesnot line up with God if it is not found in the bible.
---candice on 11/3/05


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As the church advanced throughout the Roman Empire, it was expedient to change the names of gods/goddesses to saints and the days of their celebrations to honor Christian entities. In this way, the ancient pagan holidays were really wreaked or destroyed. Even some of the pagan temples became Churches. Granted that this endeavor did not have total success as some things in the Christian faith became modified.
---lee on 10/26/05


An entry was made at least 3 times here...twice by me, & once, maybe more by someone else. Not once was it posted, I believe because it contradicts everything the mods say about these "pagan" holidays. I even said I bet it wouldn't get posted & it didn't. I don't think it was fair. I wanted to hear what the moderator had to say about it.

Moderator - I don't know what was blocked. However, 3 times in a row and changing names for the same comment will always get something blocked.
---Ann5758 on 10/21/05


Moderator - OK, I take you at your word :)

I appreciate that. We all need an inward unveiling of the person and work of Christ. We will spend eternity with His life unfolding in and through us.
---Deborah on 10/20/05


I don't celebrate Christmas to honor Christs birth.I celebrate Christmas to honor Christs Love, by giving and loving those around me.It isn't where/how it began, that is long lost in Ancient History.What matters is the Spirit which is taught and practiced ,for our family it is about loving others as Christ loves us,being thankful for all He has done.Giving love.Not expecting anything, but the blessing of oneanother's company,in a home open to others who need someone to share with them,a place to be loved.

Moderator - Shouldn't Christians being doing those things year round instead of waiting for Christmas?
---Darlene_1 on 10/20/05


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That wasn't a personal attack except that you received it as one. That is a true statement for anybody and everybody and was made in a general manner.

Moderator - OK, I take you at your word :)
---Deborah on 10/20/05


Absolutely agree with preaching the GOSPEL. No problem there. When the gospel is preached, folks are added to the church and signs and wonders follow. Haven't seen much of that here.

Moderator - If we follow Matthew 28:19-20 (making disciples), hopefully some will learn and be able preach the Gospel and have signs and wonders follow. Some people like to learn from each other in this format and others don't. I know I have learned much from others here and am appreciative for the discussions even if there is disagreement or things are heated at times. My hope is others feel the same way and want to participate.
---Deborah on 10/20/05


A lot of knowledge with no revelation of Jesus Christ within makes Jack a dull boy.

Moderator - I see no love of Christ in a personal attack. Matthew 22:37-40
---Deborah on 10/20/05


Moderator ... it is too late here and I missed your "We should use scriptures not our feelings or opinions" You are quite right ... where there is scripture. I agree there is none to say we have to celebrate Christs birth, so I do not insist that you do. Neither is there scripture to say we should not, so you should not try and stop me and others from celebrating the Birth.

Moderator - The scripture is silent about the subject and the early Christians didn't celebrate Christ's birth. Based upon that information, I see nothing right or wrong with celebrating Christ's birth. The issue becomes most people are celebrating a combination of Christ's birth and pagan rituals. Christ's birth had nothing to do with the pagan concepts of gift giving or commercialization, Yule tide, Christmas trees and Christmas lights.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


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Moderator ..# 1 you have put your finger on our difference. You see, I do not say "Christmas is only somewhat bad so I will celebrate" I celebrate at Christmas to give thanks for the birth of Jesus (God's gift to us) I do not find the fact that it's not the correct time of the year to be a problem. I do not see the fact that some people celebrate the wrong things to be a bar to MY celebration.

Moderator - Fair enough.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


"We study to show ourselves approved unto God, not to show others unapproved (2 Tim.2:15)." This does apply here to this blog and to every other blog on the site. It seems that most believe that studying is to show others unapproved and unaccepted by God instead of to show themselves approved unto God.

Moderator - Matthew 28:19-20
---Deborah on 10/20/05


Moderator ... you say I used the tree to worship God. I did not actually say that, which implies that I am worshipping the tree. I said the tree could glorify God, because the lights were a reminder of the light Jesus brought into the world. That's a bit different. If you think about it. A tapestry made by my late wife can glorify God, if it reminds me and my family that God lent such a lovely lady to me for 33 years.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Mod ...# 1 You are reading too much into what I say!
The tree in the house was not an evangelism tool, just a reminder for ourselves, and something to enjoy as a family, with possibility of witness if anyone came in . but even then not the primary evangelism tool. I don't think I claimed it was. I am just trying to say that I (you may disagree) do not see it wrong to have something of beauty in the home .be it a tree to remind us of the beauty of Jesus, or flowers cut from the garden.

Moderator - A tree or flower in one's home is great. A Christmas tree isn't too great however to usher in Nimrod's birthday on his celebrated December 25th day.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


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"Moderator - Please stay on topic. This blog is Christians observing pagan days not the law. Open up another blog to talk about the law."

It becomes a law when you force your convictions on others.

Moderator - What you are saying is someone can't disagree with you? I beg to differ because the blogs are to discuss Christian topics and everyone will not agree all the time.
---Deborah on 10/20/05


Moderator you aks me "Then why not thank God during a Halloween ritual?" Halloween is the time when the souls of the departed are supposed to come out of the graves, and rampage roung and cause terror and confusion. Do you think I would attend a celebration of that? You know I would not. So I cannot thank God during it!

Moderator - Christmas is Nimrod's birthday and the celebration of the sun god not the Son of God who was born in late September. So if Halloween is wrong to you, why is the celebration of the sun god acceptable? Where are your spiritual boundaries?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Mod ""Does it glorify God and win people to the Kingdom" I assume you are talking about the pretty tree with lights that my family used to have in our home. Yes to did it glorify God, because it had those reminder lights, and the whole atmosphere around the house was Christian. Did it draw others to Christ? Maybe, if they came in the house, and felt the Christian atmosphere. But it was not on display for those passing by! We had a Christian message in the front window for them.

Moderator - Why would you do it if people aren't being won to the Lord, yet you say it is the Lord you are worshiping with these things. I would try different evangelism tools.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Mod "Where do you draw the boundaries is the point; not the specifics of the comment?" I condemn satanic or witchcraft practices, and I cannot understand how you thought I would approve of any. But whereas you appear to think it is satanic to celebrate Christ's birth, I think it is right to do so. also His Resurrection. Neither do I see it as witchcraft to celebrate the lives and witness of departed saints. I made it clear that I deplored the Satanic witchcraft of halloween.

Moderator - I understand you deplore Halloween. The point is where do you draw the boundaries. Halloween is too bad so you will not celebrate, however Christmas is only somewhat bad so I will celebrate. That logic will tell every Christian to do whatever they FELT like. We should use scriptures not our feelings or opinions.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


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We study to show ourselves approved unto God, not to show others unapproved (2 Tim.2:15).

"But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain." Titus 3:9

Moderator - Please stay on topic. This blog is Christians observing pagan days not the law. Open up another blog to talk about the law.
---Deborah on 10/20/05


Speaking of boundaries, where do you draw the line between what is love and what is not? We seem to have some boundaries regarding the law but none in regards to love. So far in these blogs a sister in the Lord (along with her family) has been accused of being the very picture of paganism and on another, a brother in the Lord was told he was unsaved. I am interested in this boundary thing myself since the responses from both of the above have shown more love in them than most of the responses to them.
---Deborah on 10/20/05


Mod ... you are the one who has sidetracked, by accusing those who celbrate Christ's birth and Resurrection of following satanic rituals. When we celebrate, we are thanking God ... the real God, for real blessings. May we not do this? We are not following rituals.

Moderator - Then why not thank God during a Halloween ritual?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


I don't keep holidays. I keep the Way. I don't celebrate days. I celebrate Jesus. The very first statute given to Moses and the children of Israel(before there ever was a Law written on tablets of stone) was to eat the Passover Lamb. My Passover Lamb is Christ. If I am busy partaking of Him, I don't have time to feed on anyone else's flesh, whether it be Nimrod's, the Pope's, or another brother or sister in the Lord.
---anon on 10/20/05


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Mod you say "Does it glorify God and win people to the Kingdom?" In the context of my blog to which you made that comment, it seems you are against anything that is pleasant, or happy or pretty, unless it directly glorifies God. Sorry, I don't agree ... God gave us good things to enjoy (and share) It is our lives, not our self-imposed deprivation, which should glorify God.

Moderator - Please answer the question.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Moderator when you say "Let's dress up in Bible costumes and practice witchcraft during other satanic celebrations also" I wonder whether you have actually read what I had written? Where did I suggest that witchcraft is or should be practiced at any time? I have never seen children dressed in Bible costumes ... but why should they not? It perhaps is a precurser to telling them to put on the whole armour of God (as described in the Bible) when they are older.

Moderator - Where do you draw the boundaries is the point; not the specifics of the comment?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Going back a bit Mod you said "If Christian are for Christ and pagans are for the anti-christ, why would we want to mix our Christianity with paganism? Paganism is the anti-thesis of God." You seemed to say I should not have a cat because pagans used them for worship. To take your logic further, we should not have central heating, because the Romans had this in their bathing places, which were used for pagan practices.

Moderator - Do you celebrate your central heating as part of a ritual? If you do, then maybe it is causing you to stumble and you should get rid of it :) The context of this blog is rituals. Please stay on topic.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Mod ... may I reply to your question to Bruce? ""no celebration of Christ in Halloween". Tell that to the churches that practice Halloween and dress their kids in Bible costumes. Is that wrong?" In the UK they are NOT practicing halloween ... they are telling the kids the joys that Christ brings. It is an anti-Halloween party.

Moderator - Let's dress up in Bible costumes and practice witchcraft during other satanic celebrations also. Where are the boundaries? Where is being in the world, but not of the world?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


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cont ... Don't you appreciate symbolism? We give a candle at adult baptism, or dedication of an infant, to remind the family of the light that Jesus brought into the world.
The lights on the tree in the house gave my young family a similar reminder. They were pretty as well ... I hope your home also sometimes has nice things in it just because they are nice?

Moderator - Does it glorify God and win people to the Kingdom?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Moderator ... you challenge me thus "How do your decorative trees and lights give God the glory? How many people have you witnessed to and sowed a seed into their life because of the trees and lights? How many people walked by and said he's now got God in his life, I want God now?" Firstly By decorative trees in the garden, I meant horticulturally decorative, i.e. pretty trees rather than boring plain ones! They are trees as given to us by God. I don't decorate them up.<
cont ....
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Moderator, you ask me: "Moderator - Why is Halloween not Christian? Shouldn't we all celebrate since according to Bruce we have the liberty to do whatever we what as Christians?" It's not Christian, because the souls (or whatever) of the dead do not jump out of their graves for the night. You have distorted what Bruce said & if we do have the liberty, we can chose not to.

Moderator - Is Halloween wrong for you, but right for other Christians?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


I'll have my Lamb well done Bruce. That was excellent!

Moderator - How will you have your Halloween?
---anon on 10/20/05


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There is no celebration of Christ in Halloween. But for my family and any Christian chruches that I have experience with, Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth. It is intended as such and celebrated as such. I strongly object to the commercialism that the world knows as Christmas and refuse to participate in it.

Moderator - "no celebration of Christ in Halloween". Tell that to the churches that practice Halloween and dress their kids in Bible costumes. Is that wrong?
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


Mod I said "use of trees at Christmas or any other time (I have decorative trees in mt garden) is not idolatry, unless one worships them. You answered - Is Christmas not a time of worship? Yes it is ... of my GOD and His gift to us. That worship is nothing to do with the trees!! They just look nice in my garden, and in the house they carry lights to remind us of the light that Christ gave to the world. Trees and cats are OK if you do not worship them.

Moderator - How do your decorative trees and lights give God the glory? How many people have you witnessed to and sowed a seed into their life because of the trees and lights? How many people walked by and said he's now got God in his life, I want God now?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Mod ... As to Halloween, I do not celebrate this, nor have my children. I will remember all the departed saints, now at rest, (by saints I mean departed Christians, not just those those who have been sainted) on All Saints Day.
But to celebrate the night before, when souls are supposed to walk out of their graves ... no ... that is not Christian.

Moderator - Why is Halloween not Christian? Shouldn't we all celebrate since according to Bruce we have the liberty to do whatever we what as Christians?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


PART ONE:
The issue with eating meat was that the meat was offered to idols in the morning and then put out for sale in the shambles (market). This was a heathen, pagan practice if there ever was one. Some took exception to this and insisted that the meat could not be eaten by Christians because it had been offered to idols.

Moderator - What you are missing is that Christmas isn't offered by the pagans like the meat; it is a celebration and pagan holiday. Do you celebrate Halloween? Why or why not?
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


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PART THREE:
Paul clearly taught that meat is meat. Even though it was specifically and directly used in pagan rituals, there was nothing wrong with eating it.

Then Paul made it clear that the same held true for the observance of days. One might consider one day to be holier than another and another think that a different day is more significant (Sabbath day worshipers take note.) Paul again made it clear that, ultimately, it is between the Lord and the individual.
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


PART THREE:
That is the plain English statements that are recorded in this particular scripture.

As for the WHY this would be true, it all comes down to motive and ONLY God knows motive. If I eat meat that had been involved in pagan rituals and give no thought or consideration that it was, then in fact it means nothing.
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


PART FOUR:
If I am persuaded that one day should be kept holy compared to another, and I keep it AS SUCH to honor the Lord, God knows that I am sincere in this and, to Him, that is ok. Why? Because God knows the heart. SO LONG AS I dont make it a point upon which my or anyone elses salvation stands.
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


PART FIVE:
If I observe December 25 as a celebration of my Lords birth then it has no more to do with what the world is doing than eating meat or observing any other day. BECAUSE it is MY motive to honor my Lords birth and God knows this very well. The problem comes when we try to enforce our convictions on such matters on someone else. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


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PART SIX:
eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day (in this case Christmas), regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


Moderator ... It is very difficult to avoid everything that originates from pagan times. After all, most of the food we have in UK would come from the pagan era, since it is not suitable for growing in the Bible lands. Would you thus condemn it? I have a pet cat. No cats in the Bible, but the pagan Egytians worshipped them. So must, I as a Christian, eschew cats?

Moderator - Not only do they originate from pagans, they are still used as pagan practices. The food for thought that I am placing out is this: If Christian are for Christ and pagans are for the anti-christ, why would we want to mix our Christianity with paganism? Paganism is the anti-thesis of God.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


2--
I can see (to a point) where you're coming from re: realting "the rest of the story," but that's putting ideas in people's heads (though the facts may be true) and really serves no purpose other than diminishing what has become Christian motivations and celebrations. Seems counterproductive. As I get more answers from these pastors I'll relay them.
---Heather on 10/20/05


I forgot to mention earlier, moderator, that this same pastor said you're right about December 25, it was Nimrod's birthday, but the same concept of the amount of time and what Christmas is now and why it's celebrated as the one I mentioned about Easter applies.
---Heather on 10/20/05


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Moderstor ... you mistake what I am saying. I was referring specifically to idolatry, because that is what had been said, and in fact the use of trees at Christmas or any other time (I have decorative trees in mt garden) is not idolatry, unless one worships them. Pagan origin is a slightly different issue, and various views are shown on these blogs.

Moderator - Is Christmas not a time of worship?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


PART ONE:
Romans 14:2-6, "For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Moderator - Do you think this scripture is the green light for Christians to be involved with pagan practices or for that matter a green to do anything we please?
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


PART TWO:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


It seems to me that it is about motive. Titus 1:15, "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure..."

Moderator - Where do you draw the line because every person will have different ideas?
---Bruce5656 on 10/20/05


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I meant "As for idolatry, I don't think many Christians worship their tree" (not "any")
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


I agree that elements of Christmas decorations may have originated outside the Christian faith. I do not see that that origin mecessarily makes them unsuitable for us to use.
After all, we eat food that was not around in the Lsraelitss' land. As for idolatry, I don't think any Christians worship their tree.

Moderator - Please refer back to the prior post.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


Mod you say "You don't think it is idolatry at Christmas time? Tell Christians to give it up and see if it isn't idolatry" That does not prove it is idolatry! If you told me (as do the RCs) that I must not take wine at communion, does the fact that I want to continue taking the wine, turn the wine drinking into idolatry? No. So why is celebrating Christ's birth (even at the wrong time of the year) idolatry?

Moderator - Please show the scriptures that say Christians are to take part in pagan rituals.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/20/05


2- but it's celebrated for Christian reasons (acknowledging and celebrating the resurrection of Christ) now and he (as a pastor) has no problem with that part of it. Quite frankly I think the whole topic is being beaten to death. Take it for what it is (why we celebrate it and Christmas now) and accept it. If you still want me to I'll post the answers from the other pastors as well, but I can pretty much tell you now that they'll say the same general thing.

Moderator - I would like them posted because it lets us know how the Pastors are being taught today in school and how they are teaching their sheep. Next year ChristiaNet will have detailed answers to these questions so that the Body of Christ isn't deceived. These holidays today are half Christian and half pagan because of the merging of these ideas by the Catholic Church to appeal to more people.
---Heather on 10/20/05


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I got an answer from one pastor (well, a 30 second sum-he'll e-mail a more detailed message and I'll post it). He agrees (as has pretty much everyone else) that the easter bunny and that part of Easter likely has pagan roots, but it's been so many years since the inception of Easter itself that there's really no one who knows just how it started, who started it, etc.
---Heather on 10/20/05


Moderator, you still have not shown me where Nimrod, son of Cush, is evil. Book, chapter & verse, please.

Moderator - Genesis Chapters 10 and 11. Please read Genesis through Revelation afterwards because paganism is rooted off of Nimrod. Nimrod was the father of Babylon, therefore read any history book on Babylon to learn more about the culture and civilation that Nimrod was king.
---Ann5758 on 10/18/05


moderator, a christian should not give up celebrating their Savior's birthday?

Moderator - Good question. The early church never celebrated Christ's birth only Passover. However, I see nothing wrong in doing so if that is the only thing happening.
---Eloy on 10/17/05


moderator, i disagree that most people who have christmas trees are partaking in paganism. And the passage in Jeremiah refers only to idolatry, and not to decorating evergreen trees.

Moderator - You don't think it is idolatry at Christmas time? Tell Christians to give it up and see if it isn't idolatry. Watch how few Christians will give it up for Christ.
---Eloy on 10/17/05


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mike, Jeremiah 10:1-10, does not and can not refer to a christmas tree. Christ was not even born then, and not for a very long time after Judah did this. Continue reading up to verse 15, and you will see that these were molten images of wood and metal, statues graven to look like people and had no breath in them. It was idolatry to make graven images and worship them. That's a far stretch from bringing in evergreen in the winter and decorating it.

Moderator - Mike was referring to the pagan practice of the tree which is also what most people do with the Christmas tree today. Bottomline he proved the Christmas tree is taken directly from that pagan practice. You proved it also when you stated it predated Christmas which is correct.
---Eloy on 10/17/05


Nimrod;from Marad (he rebelled).Jewish Encyclopedia; "he who made all the people rebellious against God". His kingdom was Babel (Gen.10:10). Read more also in Josephus. Nimrod married Semiramis who after his death claimed he was the sun god. She later birthed Tammuz (long after 9 mos.)& claimed him to be Nimrod reborn by supernatural conception, the saviour. Accepted by Babylon as the son of god.See Jer.10:1-10 source of xmax tree.

Moderator - I have never read Josephus's materials. Does he talk alot about Nimrod's system? I am looking for more insight also.
---mike_fl on 10/16/05


Please remember in your discussion that in many languages, the word 'Easter' and 'Passover' is actually the same (it is in French and Greek, so I assume that in Latin it is ALSO the same word, though I don't know). The question of what word we use in not the point, the point is that whatever we call it, be it passover or easter, it IS the celebration on the ressurection of Jesus.
---Peter7658 on 10/16/05


moderator, i do not know if it is a cult church, but the fact of the origin of December 25 which they published is accurate, where Jerusalem's records were carried to Rome by Titius and Jerusalem's bishop Cyril went there to request the date of Jesus' birth, and the date was given to him. i'm sure you can find other sources, like encyclopedias online which would also verify this fact.

Moderator - Just because it is listed doesn't mean that the origin source wasn't fraud. False teachers and false prophets have abounded since Christianity began.
---Eloy on 10/16/05


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You can find the reference of December 25th for Jesus' birthday online at the worldwide church of God.

Moderator - That is a cult organization isn't it? All other reference material clearly state December 25th isn't Christ's birthday, but instead Nimrod.
---Eloy on 10/16/05


1. the 'holiday' wasn't invented until the 5th century with no proof. The date was chosen to take some glamor away from the pagan holiday. 2. Joseph was going to Bethlehem in order to be counted for a Census. The Romans held their census's in the summer (mid-June) this is well documented. .. and the third one I never understood exactly, but it had something to do with breeding sheep "while sheperds watched their sheep at night"...only in late spring were sheep allowed to roam at night.
---peter3773 on 10/16/05


Moderator...in the KJV, the name "Nimrod" is found only 4 times, never in the New Testament, and never in a derogatory sense. I quoted 2 out of the 4. Show me, please.

Moderator - Please start with Nimrod and continue moving forward looking at the pagan practices and the names of the people and cultures. They refer back to Nimrod or Babylon in their origin.
---Ann5758 on 10/15/05


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