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Explain Revelation 11:19

An age old mystery I would like to see uncovered ... in Revelation 11:19, the ark of the covenant is in heaven ... my question ... where is it now? I've been told under the Vatican City. Is there any truth to that?

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Heretic francis, what you suggest is that Lazuras stood up and walked out while dead. .
---Mark_V. on 6/9/13

I suggested no such thing only an idiot would come to such a conclusion

MARVEL NOT


John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth

uke 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not, she is not dead, but sleepeth.

Luke 8:54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway:
---francis on 6/9/13


Heretic francis, what you suggest is that Lazuras stood up and walked out while dead. Then lived a life dead. How is that possible? The walking dead?
Or did he get life after he walked outside? You don't understand that flesh and blood with no life cannot hear, respond, or even say no, "I do not want to be alive."
The Spirit puts life in the person. When Jesus says rise, He has given them life so they can rise and walk and respond. They do not walk around dead. God gives life. Why can you not understand? Because, "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned" (2 Cor. 2"14).
---Mark_V. on 6/9/13


If you had only accepted what the bible says, when It says that the dead are asleep, you would now accept that when the dead who are asleep hear his voice they would awake, and come out of their graves
---francis on 6/9/13


you cannot make a person dead hear anything unless you first come to life. Dead people will hear once they are brought to life.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/13

YIKES!!!
Stop doubting the power of God

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth

uke 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not, she is not dead, but sleepeth.

Luke 8:54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway:
---francis on 6/8/13


Heretical francis, you cannot make a person dead hear anything unless you first come to life. Dead people will hear once they are brought to life. When Jesus said to Lazuras, "come forward" Lazuras had to come to life in order to hear the Lord. He was not walking around dead hearing people. When God brings someone to spiritual life, they too are dead. Once they are alive to Christ they are able to follow Christ. They do not follow Christ while dead in sin.
At the Second Coming, God will bring everyone to life some to everlasting punishment, and some to everlasting life. They are not going to hell dead. Dead people do not feel anything. But those in hell will feel the pain, and the presence of God in His wrath.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/13




Samuel if you confess your sins he is faithful to forgive them.
Everybody on this earth sins, with no exception.

Only those who say I do not sin or I have not sinned are the liars.
God is not calling anyone who thinks they're saints. Luk_18:9!

In my life I have fallen down many times. So I would pick myself up and start again. Just to find myself on the floor again. I see everyone doing the same things. The last time I fell down, I say stay here!

When I did this, I understood I can't accuse anyone who sin, of sin!
Not even those saying I try not to sin. Mat_5:23-24
Be reconciled to thy brothers then come and offer thy gift.
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/7/13


But you like francis are mistaking the forgiveness of God with thinking you can't sin!
---TheSeg on 6/6/13
Do you francis commit sin? Simple!

Here look, it easy! I know I commit sin.
---TheSeg on 6/6/13

You accuse me, and then ask me if your accusation is true?

really?

If you accusation is true, you should be able to prove it
all post remain in CN forever

so dig up that post where i say I do not sin,and post it
---francis on 6/7/13


Love.wins I just want you to know.
I also believe everyone is going to heaven.
Here the kicker, only because this is what I was told.

I was so happy! I said GREAT ILL TELL THEM.
I was then told they wont believe you.
I said WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
Again I heard THEY WONT BELIEVE YOU.
GUESS WHAT!

IT MUST COME FROM GOD!
Sorry all!
I just wanted you to know youre not alone!
peace
---The on 6/7/13


But you like francis are mistaking the forgiveness of God with thinking you can't sin!
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


SHOW ME WHERE WE HAVE SAID SUCH THING
francis on 6/6/13

Foundation Of All Christians Blog
subject closed.

See like I said simple!
---TheSeg on 6/6/13

simple, you have never seen me, or Samuel say any such thing

Do you know how I know that you have no commitment to God?

You have no commitment to truth. You are committed to what is convinient and what is popular, but not to what is true
---francis on 6/7/13


Samuel, forgive me.
But you like francis are mistaking the forgiveness of God with thinking you can't sin!
TheSeg TheSeg

Unfortuantly I do sin. Why because I am a sinner. But I hate sin by the Grace of GOD. I do not sin daily. There are many sins I have not committed in ages. But I also watch myself carefully and keep my eyes on JESUS list I think myself too good.

You see I want to be loving, kind and not hurt anyone as well as love GOD. The more I grow in love the less I sin. But I still battle the old man of sin in me every single day.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/13




The seg thank you for you answer, it confirms what i have told you. NO commitment to God whatso ever
francis on 6/6/13

A fool, who is a fool, is a fool!
Rom_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Php_2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,
Ye are my witnesses!


SHOW ME WHERE WE HAVE SAID SUCH THING
francis on 6/6/13 Foundation Of All Christians Blog
subject closed.

See like I said simple!
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


markv, I was quickened by the Holy Spirit and I was born again, therefore I am delivered from sin by a Holy God. I am a new testament born again child of the king.
---shira4368 on 6/6/13


I think we should always be courteous and not use insulting characterizations. I don't agree with MarkV about much, but I would never characterize him as an idiot.
---Love.wins on 6/6/13


When Jesus comes, it will be with the voice of an archangel, He is not an archangel.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13
IDIOT

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth

The seg thank you for you answer, it confirms what i have told you. NO commitment to God whatso ever
---francis on 6/6/13


God has delivered me already.
---shira4368 on 6/6/13
Read Daniel 12 :1 and again

Dead people do not hear anything. When Jesus comes, it will be with the voice of an archangel, He is not an archangel.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13

YIKES!!!

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,
John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth
---francis on 6/6/13


Sorry all! Please forgive me.

Samuel, forgive me.
But you like francis are mistaking the forgiveness of God with thinking you can't sin!
---TheSeg on 6/6/13

SHOW ME WHERE WE HAVE SAID SUCH THING
francis on 6/6/13 Foundation Of All Christians Blog
It closed.


Do you francis commit sin? Simple!

Here look, it easy! I know I commit sin.
And I confess it openly, before God and the world!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


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I don't know who would ever say that the earthly Ark of the Covenant was in Vatican City. There's nobody there that says that.

However, there IS a very old legend that it is in the Church of St. Mary of Zion (significant name) in Axum, Ethiopia.

This makes sense, as the Royal House of Ethiopia was the only other one in the world that worshipped YHVH.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/6/13


God has delivered me already. Why would I even depend on someone else however we do have guardian angels.
---shira4368 on 6/6/13


When the time of trouble comes, If I am alive, i will look for Michael to deliver me
How about you the Seg, mark_V,shira4368?
francis
God is not the God of the dead but of the living!

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Thank you father!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


H. francis, you said,
"If I am dead, I will be in my grave and await the voice of the arch angel to awaken me"

if you are dead, you will not hear a thing. Dead people do not hear anything. When Jesus comes, it will be with the voice of an archangel, He is not an archangel. And no one knows what the sound of an archangel sounds like. Only those who are alive will hear the loud noise and trumpets from God. The dead in Christ will rise, not because they heard anything while dead. But because of God's power to raise them up.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13


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When the time of trouble comes, If I am alive, i will look for Michael to deliver me:
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


If I am dead, I will be in my grave and await the voice of the arch angel to awaken me

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


How about you the Seg, mark_V,shira4368?
---francis on 6/6/13


Scott, for your information, I do not follow Calvin. I follow the real Jesus Christ who is Creator of all things. I do not follow a denomination either. You and many others speak for your denominations over the Truth. You even refuse worshipping Jesus Christ because you belief He is an archangel, when your own Charter states, "And the worship of Jesus Christ" But your denomination continually changes everyday, they even changed the Holy Bible. What is happening in your denomination is that none of you are reading the book of Charles Russell "Studies in the Scriptures" He stated that if you don't read his book, you go into darkness. The WatchTower removed that book a long tme ago. So who are you to talk? Nobody.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13


some people here are so messed up in their thinking, its hard for me to understand how anyone can think Michael is the same as Jesus. there is really no use to keep on about this subject because no matter what the truth, some will reject it.
---shira4368 on 6/5/13


? Michael, I believe, is the guardian of Israel.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/5/13

let's take this statement and expand on it

Psalms 121:2 My help [cometh] from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.
Psalms 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.

Isaiah 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem, defending also he will deliver [it, and] passing over he will preserve it.

Deuteronomy 1:30 The LORD your God which goeth before you, he shall fight for you, according to all that he did for you in Egypt before your eyes,

IT IS JESUS WHO GUARDS ISRAEL
---francis on 6/5/13


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The name is Jesus!
Here another name Michael.
Both of these names are given among men. Arent they!

Daniel 8:11 prince of the host
Daniel 8:25 Prince of princes
Daniel 9:25 the Messiah the Prince
Daniel 11:22 the prince of the covenant.
Acts 3:15 the Prince of life,
Isaiah 9:6 The Prince of Peace

These are not names. Are they!
God look who Im asking!
Yes I know, to you and yours they are names.
To everyone else they are titles.

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus Christ, francis!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/5/13


---TheSeg on 6/5/13
Acts 4:10 name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, .. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Daniel 8:11 prince of the host
Daniel 8:25 Prince of princes
Daniel 9:25 the Messiah the Prince
Daniel 11:22 the prince of the covenant.
Acts 3:15 the Prince of life,
Isaiah 9:6 The Prince of Peace

None of these either?

There are MANY names for Jesus in the bible,

Daniel 12:1 Michael the great prince
Daniel 10:13 Michael, FIRST of princes,
Daniel 10:21 Michael your prince

are just a few of them
---francis on 6/5/13


Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other:
(can someone tell me what this mean?)
for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

(was this name given to men?)
Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
---TheSeg on 6/5/13


---Mark_V. on 6/5/13
I do not think that you are totally helpless. I think that you are stuck with whatever you know, and do not want know more at this time

try answering these: they may help:
1: What does the word angel mean?

2: What does Paul mean by this:
Galatians 4:14 .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

3: How does the angel of God also identify himself in this passage:

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.
And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee....I am the God of Bethel,
---francis on 6/5/13


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For (Calvinist) Mark_V:

Protestant Reformer John Calvin said regarding "Michael" in its occurrence at Daniel 12:1:

"I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people."

J. Calvin, Commentaries On The Book Of The Prophet Daniel, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369.


How do you explain this Mark_V?
---scott on 6/5/13


francis, all things were created by Jesus Christ, By Genesis 2:1
---Mark_V. on 6/5/13

Angels ( cherubims and seraphims) were created before God created the earth

And they were all created by Michael, the one who is Like God, THE GREAT PRINCE, YOUR PRINCE, JESUS HIMSELF

---francis on 6/5/13


H. francis, all things were created by Jesus Christ, By Genesis 2:1
"Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them were finished" That includes angels and the archangel Michael. For nowhere are we told Michael the archangel is eternal. He is an angelic being.
---Mark_V. on 6/5/13


Michael is an archangel and that archangels are created beings.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/13
First of all michael is not an Arch angel he is THE Arch angel
Second where in the bible did you see that THE Archangel are created
---francis on 6/3/13


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H. francis, read any holy bible and you will know that Michael is an archangel and that archangels are created beings. You will also find that He is not like the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit. Your books from others are not Truth if they say Michael is like the Father, if they were true the Bible would tells us. Scripture interpret's Scripture. Your false teachings are "anti-christ".
Also, if you are an SDA or any other denomination who believes you are under the writeen letter of the Law, you need to be set free by the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/13


Daniel 12:1 Michael the great prince

Daniel 10:13 Michael, FIRST of princes,

Daniel 10:21 Michael your prince.

Daniel 8:11 prince of the host

Daniel 8:25 Prince of princes

Daniel 9:25 the Messiah the Prince

Daniel 11:22 the prince of the covenant.

All of these are references to Jesus in Daniel
Other references:
Acts 3:15 the Prince of life,
Isaiah 9:6 The Prince of Peace

The word Michael itself tell us that Jesus has the nature and character of God (the father.) Because it means Who is Like God

Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 4317
Michael = "who is like God"
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
---francis on 6/3/13


francis, you just described Jesus Christ and God the Father. all 18 you listed is describing attributes of a living God thru His Son, Jesus Christ.
---shira4368 on 6/3/13


I issue a challenge for anyone who is SINCERE and like to read and who wants to know the truth:

Read any and all books written which says that Michael the Archangel is a created being, and read Doug Batchelor: Who is Michael the Archangel. I guarantee that when you are done, you will believe the fact that Jesus and Michael are the same

Disclaimer: If you are not sure whether or not Saturday is the seventh day of the week, and that the seventh day is the Sabbath, do not bother.

If you do not know what day of the week it is you are just an Idiot, so dont bother
---francis on 6/2/13


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1: The Word: he is the living embodiment of what the Father says
2: Angel /Messenger of God: he brings prophecies from The father
3: Emanuel: he is God living with us in sinful flesh, feeling what we feel
4: Messiah/ Christ: he is anointed to serve us
5: Captain of the Lord's Host: He fights for us
7: The Lamb of God : Died for our sin
8: Jesus: He saves us
9: High priest: Cleanses us from sins
10: Judge: He declares us just
11: Mediator: he stands between us and the Father
12: Advocate: He defends us
13: messenger of the covenant:
14: The Lord: He rules in our lives
15: Jehovah: He lives forever
16: Jehovahnissi: Our banner
17: Jehovahshalom: our peace
18: Michael: He is Like the father
---francis on 6/2/13


Heretical francis, Michael the archangel does not have the nature, character or the attributes of God, only in your mind.
nowhere are we told He is the Messiah, our Savior, are that he died for our sins. Your corrupt heretical mind decides to add him to your list. You are a pure heretic. It is as simple as that.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/13


Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins

All these names are names of Jesus. Try substituting one of these names
1: The Word
2: Angel /Messenger of God
3: Emanuel
4: Messiah/ Christ
5: Captain of the Lord's Host
7: The Lamb of God
8:
9: High priest
10: Judge:
11: Mediator
12: Advocate
13: messenger of the covenant:
14: The Lord:
15: Jehovah:
16: Jehovahnissi:
17: Jehovahshalom:
18: Michael:

for Jesus see how it reads:
---francis on 6/1/13


There are many attributes to God

1: The Word John 1:1
2: Angel /Messenger of God Genesis 31:11
3: God with us ( Emanuel) Matthew 1:23
4: Anointed one: Messiah/ Christ Daniel 9:25
5: Captain of the Lord's Host Joshua 5:15
7: The Lamb of God John 1:29
8: Jesus: Savior Matthew 1:21
9: High priest: Hebrews 3:1
10: Judge: John 5:22
11: Mediator: 1 Timothy 2:5
12: Advocate 1 John 2:1
13: messenger of the covenant: Malachi 3:1
14: The Lord: Genesis 2:7
15: Jehovah: Exodus 6:3
16: Jehovahnissi: Exodus 17:15
17: Jehovahshalom: Judges 6:24
18: Michael: Who is like God:

by which of these names / attributes do you think he IS Saving us ( trick question
---francis on 6/1/13


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Genesis 31:11 the angel of God spake saying..I am the God of Bethel,

This is the clearest passage that says that angel of God is God( Jesus)

If Jesus is an Angel of God, is there any angel that can hold a greater position than him?

If Jesus is the prince of princes, is there any prince that can be greater than Jesus?
Daniel 8:25 Prince of princes,

If Jesus is a messenger of God, can there be any messenger greater than Him?

Malachi 3:1 and the Lord, whom ye seek, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in:
---francis on 6/1/13


John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.John 1:18

While no one has seen the father at any time, many have seen God The Son:
Genesis 32:30 Jacob: I have seen God face to face,
Judges 13:22 Manoah: we have seen God.
Abraham saw God, Moses saw, God,Joshua saw God.
Who they saw was Jesus as the Messenger of God. It is Jesus who appears as The Angel of God, and it is Jesus whose voice is active as God in the bible

Genesis 31:11 the angel of God spake saying..I am the God of Bethel,

This does not take away the divinity of Jesus, but helps us understand the working of the trinity
---francis on 6/1/13


Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

Ruben, you do not find anything unusual about this text?

Not even the fact that Jesus who is God does not have this knowledge only His father who is God knows?

Jesus who can read the hearts and minds of people, does not know the hour of the end only the father knows.


Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,

What does this text tell you, that Both Jesus and His father are God,and all knowing, YET the revelation comes from The Father to Jesus? Why does the father have to give it to Jesus to give to an angel to Give to John?

Can you see, how Jesus is the messenger of God?
---francis on 5/31/13


---Ruben on 5/31/13

Exodus 13:21 the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud,
Exodus 14:19 the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them, and the pillar of the cloud

Acts 27:23 there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina,

Exodus 19:20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai.., and the LORD called Moses up...

Angel of God is Jesus
Genesis 31:11 the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying...I am the God of Bethel,

Galatians 4:14 received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
---francis on 5/31/13


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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

Ruben: What is unusual about this text, Jesus himself being God?
---francis on 5/31/13

Not really:

"Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.(JHN 16:30)

I will let you figure out what he meant in Mt 24:36, stick to the angel:

Hebrews 1:5: "For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

Hebrews 1:13 "But to which of the angels said He at any time, sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?"
---Ruben on 5/31/13


francis * Ruben what does the bible mean when it says the firstborn of all creation?

Firstborn does not mean the first one born. In Psalm 89:27 speaking of King David:

"And I will make him the first-born, the highest of the kings of the earth.

And as you know, David was the youngest of eight brothers!

francis * Ruben read 1 Thess 4:16 can you tell whose voice raises the dead?

When a king or an Potentate enters a room does not someone ANNOUNCE the arrival of that personage? This is the case in the above scripture verse " with the voice of the archangel" announcing Jesus is coming! And we know he is introduced as Kings of kings and Lords of Lords by the archangel in Rev 19:16
---Ruben on 5/31/13


francis, heretics like you try everyday to strip Jesus of His divinity. We (believers) know through Scripture that Jesus is the Word, and we know by (John 1:1) that the Word is God. We also know He came in the flesh and was rejected just like you rejected Him (John 1:11). We know in (Isiah 9:6)Christ is declared to be not only "Mighty God" but also "everlasting Father" or better translated "Father of eternity." In Col. 1:16,17) where both His eternity and work as Creator are affirmed
"For by Him were all things Created, that are in heaven (that includes angels) and that are in earth, visible and invisible...they were created by Him and for Him, and He is before all things.."
---Mark_V. on 5/31/13


Rev 1:1
Matthew 11:27
Ruben: Can you identify the role of Jesus Christ and the role of God in these passages?


Malachi 3:1-3
Ruben: Who is the messenger of the covenant, that will come to His temple?

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I... I am the God of Bethel,

Ruben: What other name does The Angel of God go by?

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only

Ruben: What is unusual about this text, Jesus himself being God?
---francis on 5/31/13


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Ruben what does the word "angel" mean?
Ruben what does Michael mean?
Ruben what does Arch mean?

Ruben what does the bible mean when it says that Jesus is the image of the father and the firstborn of all creation?

Ruben read John 5: 27-29, Daniel 12: 1-2, and 1 Thess 4:16 can you tell whose voice raises the dead?

OR can you tell me why you believe that Jesus is God since the phrsse Jesus is God is not in the Bible?
---francis on 5/30/13


Can you see how the prince of princes, and the great prince are compartible?

Isaiah 9:6 The Prince of Peace
Acts 3:15 Prince of life,
Acts 5:31 a Prince and a Saviour


---francis on 5/30/13

No not at all, just because Michael is call prince in scripture does not make him Jesus:
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You?

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

Let all the angels of God worship Him.

And of the angels He says:

Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.

But to the Son He says:

Your throne, O God, is forever and ever" Heb 1:5-8
---Ruben on 5/30/13


When we were children we were taught that angels are created being with wings. Those would be called cherubs or seraphs.
Angel actually menas " messenger of God."

Here is how it works with Jesus as an Angel of God:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants

The Message originates with The father, the Father gives it to Jesus, and then jesus gives it to a cherub or Sereph to give to a human.

Sometimes it goes from The father to Jesus, and then Jesus gives it to a human rather than go through a sereph or cherub.
Example:

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying,... I am the God of Bethel,
---francis on 5/30/13


--Ruben on 5/30/13
Jesus is God, or equal to God

He is referrered to as :Daniel 8:25 the Prince of princes, meaning there are other
but Jesus is: Daniel 12:1 Michael the great prince

Can you see how the prince of princes, and the great prince are compartible?

Isaiah 9:6 The Prince of Peace
Daniel 8:11 prince of the host
Acts 3:15 Prince of life,
Acts 5:31 a Prince and a Saviour


Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1 Cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
---francis on 5/30/13


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francis * nice post. Look up the meaning of the word "One" in your Strong's if you do not mind. You will find it means " first"

Daniel 10:13 Michael, THE FIRST OF THE princes,

So Jesus is the First of many princes , again Does this mean that Jesus has equals?

When Jesus said "One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved," (JHN 13:23)

It means the first one he loved, really!


francis * One created being cannot withstand satan and his forces, it would have to be Jesus/ almighty

But Jesus was not created :

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God"- same word use in Genesis 1.
---Ruben on 5/30/13


Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince

In rev 18-19 It is jesus who stand up for his people

Daniel 10:13 Michael, one of the chief princes,

Jesus is the creator of all the angel, which means him the chief of all the angels


Daniel 8:25 the Prince of princes,
No comment needed

Daniel 10:21 Michael your prince.
This has to be jesus, and it is God whom daniel worships and serves as prince and not a created being

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life,

Acts 5:31 a Prince and a Saviour,
---francis on 5/30/13


---Ruben on 5/29/13
nice post. Look up the meaning of the word "One" in your Strong's if you do not mind. You will find it means " first"

Daniel 10:13 Michael, THE FIRST OF THE princes,

See Colossians 1:15

One created being cannot withstand satan and his forces, it would have to be Jesus/ almighty

Rev 19:12..he had a name written, that no man knew,.. Rev 19:13 his name is called The Word of God.

we know it is Jesus.

God does not have names, only attributes Exodus 6:3 Please read Exodus 34:6

In Rev 19:12, God is about to do something contrary to any name by which we know him: What he does it called a strange act: Isaiah 28:21

By that name no man knows him
---francis on 5/30/13


We do not know where the Ark of the Covenant is. It was removed during the destruction by Babylon. It has been hidden ever since. It is definitely not in the Vatican.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/13


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And that ONE Cheif of Angels is Micahel,

---francis on 5/29/13

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes , came to help me, and I remained there with the kings of Persia." (Dan 10:3)

Does this mean that Jesus has equals?

""And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. ... and on his head were many crowns, and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself ."(REV 19:12)

According to this verse how can Jesus be Michael if no one knows his true name at the second coming?
---Ruben on 5/29/13


---Mark_V. on 5/29/13

IDIOT!!!

Exodus 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not, for he will not pardon your transgressions: for MY NAME IN IN HIM.

Exodus 23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

Exodus 23:23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
---francis on 5/29/13


HEY IDIOT I know you have a hard time understanding words and phrases

It is never " AN ARCHANGEL" is it THE ARCHANGEL, there is only ONE chief of Angels

And that ONE Cheif of Angels is Micahel, whose voice willraise the dead: 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


And who will stand up for his people in the time of trouble, and when he does, the dead will be raised
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: ... And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake
---francis on 5/29/13


It is said by many heretics,

"Those who have not asked forgiveness for thier sins, will be cast into the lake of fire"

What they really forget is, that those who believe that an archangel is their savior, will be cast in the lake of fire. They have another jesus. The Jesus of the Bible is God, Creator of all things even archangels.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/13


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The same laws that was in the ark on earth is in the ark in heaven

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

It is the standard by which all men will be judged

Those who have not asked forgiveness for thier sins, will be cast into the lake of fire
---francis on 5/22/13


The Ark of His covenant on earth was a piece of furniture made by human hands. The Ark of His covenant in the O.T. tabernacle and temple (Exo. 25:10-22) symbolized God's presence, atonement, and covenant with His people. That earthly Ark was only a picture of this Heavenly Ark (Heb. 9:23: 10:19,20). It was there God provided mercy and atonement for sin.
As the earthly Holy of Holies was open when the price of sin was paid (Matt. 27:51: Heb. 10:19.20), so the Holy of Holies in heaven is opened to speak of God's saving New Covenant and redeeming purpose in the midst of judgment. Which is also mentioned in (v. 11:19)
---Mark_V. on 5/20/13


The Ark of the covenant is the most sought after treasure on earth. It is a box covered with gold, with two gold angels on the top

But the real treasure is not the gold, it is the two stones inside the box

Yet still the greatest treasure is not the stones, but what is written on the stones

More glorious than the words written on the stone, are the same words written in our hearts

God has his copy in heaven. we have our copy in our hearts
God is watching to see if our copy matches his copy
---francis on 5/19/13


Patrick: 'ark is heaven'

That is not the same one that was in Jerusalem, of course - otherwise God would be contradicting Himself - which He does not

The ark that was in Jerusalem, we do not know after the temple was burnt down. That remains a mystery
---Peter9556 on 5/12/13


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My husband changed his mobile-phone.
He handed the old one to me. But can I activate it for my use? Not unless he pays for it. Will he?
No. He expects me to use the new one. Then why did he give me the old one?
Because I prefer having the flip-phone, even if it's useless.

The ark of the covenant is the mercy seat is the throne of grace. It's in heaven. The only one that works.
---jan4378 on 4/3/13


in Revelation 11:19, the ark of the covenant is in heaven ... my question ... where is it now? I've been told under the Vatican City. Is there any truth to that?

---Nellah on 10/11/05

If the bible says that it is in heaven, then it is in heaven
---francis on 3/28/13


the bible says where the ark is heaven and no where else
---patrick on 3/27/13


I do not believe is it under the Vatican City, and anyone who says that is living in a pure fairy tale. Yes, it may already be in heaven, but who knows? Maybe it's buried somewhere in Israel right now.
---Jeremy on 1/29/08


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I don't think there is actually anything to say where the Ark is today. It really IS an age-old mystery.
---Ann5758 on 1/28/08


The temple of God at Jerusalem was a pattern of the heavenly one, or of heaven, Heb 8:1-5. In that temple God was supposed to reside by the visible symbol of his presence--the Shekinah--in the holy of holies. Cmt. on Heb 9:7. Thus God dwells in heaven, as in a holy temple, of which that on earth was the emblem. When it is said that that was "opened in heaven," the meaning is, that John was permitted, as it were, to look into heaven, the abode of God, and to see him in his glory.
---Rev_Herb on 5/3/07


Exodus 37 begins the construction of the ark ... it is an actual "box" and contains the Ten Commandments, Aaron's rod, and manna ....
---Nellah on 10/12/05


I think the ark of the covenant is under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and when the time comes, it will be found. I doubt it is anywhere near the Vatican. After it has served its earthly purpose, God will move it up to heaven, to be seen in the events of Revelation.
---Walte3963 on 10/11/05


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It's really an unknown factor where the Ark of the Convenat is. The latest idea I read was in was in Northern Africa. It was taken there during the II World War. But, this is only one of many stories as to it's location.
But no one really knows - unless there's new information since 2003.
---WIVV on 10/11/05


This is from Melissa's husband. From what I have learned over the years, there are tunnels under the sight of Solomon's temple in Jerusalem ( the wailing wall). The latest and best information is that the ark is in these tunnels in a secret location.
---Melissa on 10/11/05


The ark is the earthly picture or symbol of the heavenly reality. It is the place God rests. With that said, see Jeremiah 3:14-17, particularly verse 17. It is Christ, head and body, that fulfills what the Tabernacle of Moses shadows.
---Linda_Smith on 10/11/05


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