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Christians Follow Ten Commandments

I keep hearing that Jesus said "Follow my commandments, but is He just referring to the Ten Commandments only? And if I break one, do I break them all?

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//His powers HELP YOU begin to fulfill His commandments beginning with TEN.

I believe our Lord went far beyond the legality of the law to the heart of the TEN commandments in what He expressed by His Spirit in Romans 13:9-10 {The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.}

And yes we can agree His righteousness is imputed to those who truly believe in Him. However, there will always be those who will judge by pointing to views that to them are contrary to their concept of the Christian walk.
---Lee1538 on 11/23/09


WAYNE ... Can I ask you about just one of the accusations that you make of Christians breaking the 10 Commandments?

1 You say we "refuse to use the "Holy Names of the Almighty and the Messiah He sent" Really?

Can you please show where the Bible says that only the original Hebrew, or Aramaic (or whatever) names can be used? It's not in the 10C where Yeshua is not mentioned anyway.

And you youself use an English word and not the original wehn you refer to Father & Almighty!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/23/09


Christians do not follow the ten commandments! Catholics and Eastern Orthodox break 1-4 of the 10. They pray to others rather then praying to YHVH, they pray to idols, they refuse to use the true Name of Yeshua and the Father. They violate the Sabbath. Protestants violate 1-4 also. They keep pagan holidays as do catholics and orthodox, they use idols in the holidays, such as pagan trees and all of the decarations. They refuse to use the true Holy Names of the Almighty and the Messiah He sent. They also violate the Sabbath. So no they dont follow the commandments! They rest they say they follow, but violate one and you violate all!
---wayne on 11/23/09


Ten? If I break one, do I break them all?

Keeping commandments alone, yes, break one you broked them all !

But if you TRULY connect BY FAITH AND OBEDIENCE TO HIM

His powers HELP YOU begin to fulfill His commandments beginning with TEN.

Two principles at work by His Grace because you TRULY HAVE Faith, BELIEVING HIS POWERS:

1) The power of Holy Spirit helps you keep His commandments to Spiritual intent.

2) Forgiveness of His blood is imputed to you, WHILE walking after keeping the commandments but cannot complete them perfectly.
Here His righteousness is imputed to you, by your faith, so it is as if you are indeed completing them! But you must be by faith, walking after the commandments of love!
---Paul9594 on 11/22/09


salvation is a gift the Lord Jesus completed
If you are saved, then it is forever given to you.
Eternal life is given to you when you are saved and the Lord holds you in HIS HAND
---june on 11/22/09




Galatians says that no one is justified by the law. IT says that IF we are justified by the law then JESUS died in vain
---june on 11/22/09


Nana, Jesus stated the O.T. ministry of death never reestablished it, but on the contrary he says that he has come to give us his NEW COMMANDMENTS, he never came to give us his old commndments which never saved anyone. PLease Read- MATTHEW 5:38-48 to see the Big Difference between the Abolished O.T., and the Currently In Force N.T.
---Eloy on 11/22/09


Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Paul9594 - It is NOT the will of our Lord that we as Gentiles should be circumcised, observe the Jewish Sabbath, dietary laws, or other laws that are uniquely Jewish.

Of course, you as a Jewish convert may wish to heed Jewish laws but Gentile converts were never placed under those laws (Read Romans 14).The Council at Jerusalem (Acts 15) settled that issue.



---Lee1538 on 11/22/09


Commandment 4: Sabbath before mount Sinai!

Some, learning/teaching from commentaries, institutions not of Father, justify not observing Ten Commandments, because were not enjoined in Bible prior to Mount Sinai (EXODUS 20:2-17).
Scripture prove ALL Ten, before codified on Mount Sinai.

Commandment 4: on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested ." (Gen 2:2-3).

"Tomorrow is a SABBATH rest, a holy SABBATH to the LORD...So the people rested on the seventh day" (Ex 16:23,30). (TRANSLATION FAITHFUL TO HEBREW NUMERIC VALUE)

Your starting point The Ten, or else Hear Matthew 7:21-23!
---Paul9594 on 11/21/09


10 commandment were given to people who were sinners without the Holy Spirit. We Christians dont need the 10 commandments as we are led and taught by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will teach and correct us in all things. We KNOW what is right or wrong, we dont have to be told.
---duane on 11/21/09




Commandment 8 Dont steal with spiritual intent =No assumption of position, authority, glory, people that belong to God or over other fellow men.

"'With whomever you find your gods, do not let him live. In the presence of our brethren identify what I have of yours and take it with you.' For Jacob did not know that Rachel had stolen them" (Gen 31:32).

"How then could we steal silver or gold from your lord's house. With whomever of your servants it is found, let him die" (Gen 44:8-9).

"He kills the poor and needy, And in the night he is like a thief" (Job 24:14).

Children with faith in Christ, your starting point The Ten, if not, u may be surprised and hear Matthew 7:21-23
---Paul9594 on 11/21/09


Commandment 8 Dont steal with spiritual intent =No assumption of position, authority, glory, people that belong to God or over other fellow men.:

"'With whomever you find your gods, do not let him live. In the presence of our brethren identify what I have of yours and take it with you.' For Jacob did not know that Rachel had stolen them" (Gen 31:32).
"How then could we steal silver or gold from your lord's house. With whomever of your servants it is found, let him die" (Gen 44:8-9).

"He kills the poor and needy, in the night he is like a thief" (Job 24:14).
Children with faith in Christ your starting point The Ten, if not, u may be surprised and hear Matthew 7:21-23
---Paul9594 on 11/21/09


Extremists always make the world more difficult than it really is.,

""christians in Jesus name" have license to:
have other gods, graven images, take Gods name in vain, forget Sabbath Day making it unholy, dishonor parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, covet"


Christians dont WANT to do these things. A license to - yes. The desire to - NO

There is a huge difference ma'am.
---JackB on 11/21/09


Commandment 9 No false witness, spiritual intent =Not standing by TRUTH (Word) of God or of neighbor when you know it, lying about God/neighbor
"You are of your father the devil, the desires of your father you want to do. does not stand in the truth.When he speaks a lie, for he is a liar and the father of it " (Joh 8:44).
" serpent said to the woman, "You will not die"... woman said, serpent deceived me, I ate'. So the LORD God said to serpent: 'Because you have done (lied) this, You are cursed'"(Gen 3:4,13-14).
"But you forgers of lies, you are all worthless physicians" (Job 13:4).
""My lips will not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit" (Job 27:4).
---Paul9594 on 11/21/09


I have never once said a Christian will go to heaven based on Gods law. Christians SHOULD follow the 10 commandments... but for the right reason.

The only way a man is ever acceptable to God is by the blood of Jesus CHrist - not the life we live after we receive Him as our Lord and Savior. Its a free gift of Gods grace. It is given where not deserved. Too many people are still trying to earn it by following Gods law close enough to be acceptable to Him instead of following his law out of love after He has justified you with His blood, which is what Christ wants.

You can tell the difference between the two by how they treat their brothers in Christ.
---JackB on 11/21/09


Jesus hurt the Pharisees pride so much that they sought to kill Him. They were high-minded because of their obedience and knowledge of the law.... but just as guilty of breaking it.

Luke 18:10-14

"... for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased, and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted"

The righteous man of the law vs the unrighteous sinner. Who did Jesus say went to his house justified?
---JackB on 11/21/09


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abolished Old Commandments in the Old Testament ....if you break all of his commandments then you are equally guilty
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by reasoning from ministers of Satan 2Corin 11:14-15 who PREACH Gods Holy Just Perfect Laws by the lawgiver who is able to save and destroy (Rom 7:12 Psalm 19:7 James 4:12) are abolished

"christians in Jesus name" have license to:

have other gods, graven images, take Gods name in vain, forget Sabbath Day making it unholy, dishonor parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, covet

YET - if you break Gods Commandments (that are "really" abolished) you are guilty???

although committing murder one will pay by worlds/societies standards before answering to God
---Rhonda on 11/21/09


Paul9594 -//SEE of commandments before Mount Sinai.

In case you may not have realized it some of the 10 commandments reflects moral law already accepted in all societies. Adultery, murder, etc. were considered wrong in all Gentile societies.

If you were to read Romans 2:14 'For when Gentiles, who do NOT HAVE THE LAW, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.'

And Gentiles did not observe the OT Sabbath - a law given only to the Jewish nation at Mt. Sinai as a sign of the covenant God made only with them. Exodus 31:17. you may refuse to acknowledge, the Sabbath commandment (#4) was totally unheard of prior to Mt. Sinai.
---Lee1538 on 11/21/09


JackB -//Christians should follow the 10 commandments for sure

If Christians were to follow Romans 13:9-10 which speaks of love of neighbor as the fulfillment of the law, you really would not need the Decalogue.

Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Preachers all too often preach OT law when they should really focus on Jesus and the grace given us to fully live the Christian faith.
---Lee1538 on 11/21/09


Eloy,
Did Jesus restated "Old Commandments"?
Matthew 19:16-19: "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Oh, lets throw in there Mark 7:20-23.
---Nana on 11/21/09


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No, Jesus gave us his New Commandments in the New Testament which supercede his abolished Old Commandments in the Old Testament. Yes, if you disobey one of his commandments you are guilty, and if you break two of his commandments you are still guilty, and if you break all of his commandments then you are equally guilty.
---Eloy on 11/21/09


Christians should follow the 10 commandments for sure


But what they shouldnt do is use that very law to determine whether or not a man is saved by Gods GRACE.

He is the author and finisher of our faith. We arent. Therefore the changes in our life are done to His liking and in HIS timing.

Stop the hate. This is really getting ridiculous
---JackB on 11/21/09


Commandment 6, Do not murder, SPIRITUAL INTENT, No character assassination with gossip, backbiting, insinuation and innuendoes:

"Cain slayed Abel 'The voice of your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground. So now you are cursed from the earth" (Gen 4:8,10).

"Then the king of Egypt spoke...'When you do the duties of a midwife for the Hebrew women, and see them on the birthstools, if it is a son, you shall kill him'...But the midwives FEARED God, DID NOT do commanded (MURDER/ABORTION) them" (Ex 1:15-17).

"You are of your father the devil, a murderer from the beginning" (Joh 8:44) Since the devil a murderer from the beginning its clear that murder was not allowed BEFORE Mount Sinai).
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


Commandment 7 No adultery: kept by Godly BEFORE Mount Sinai! (Lev 18:20,27).
Lee1538, SEE of commandments before Mount Sinai
Genesis 20, King of Gerar sent, took Abrahams wife, Father said return her or you and nation I will destroy! King feared God and His men were sore afraid!
"His master's wife cast longing eyes on Joseph, she said, 'Lie with me.' But he refused...'How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin?'" (Gen 39:7-9). "
The eye of the adulterer waits for the twilight, saying, 'No one will see me', and he disguises his face" (Job 24:15).
Is your faith powerless connected to powers of true Christ? Do you follow a lawless Christ? Thinking Heaven, you will get to Hear Matthew 7:21-23!
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


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Physical purification in Torah teaches Spiritual process with FAITH IN Christ, Numbers 19:

1. unclean person must decide to avail themselves for
water of purification.
2. Sprinkling (by person who was clean and authorized)
3. Wash their clothes and bathe THEMSELVES.

Spiritual work with FAITH Christ:

1. With faith decide avail ourselves for the purifying work of Christ. (method of purifying, ALREADY decided.)
2. Faith in blood of Christ to remove our sins.
3. With faith apply (bathe) ourselves by CONTINUING to work
out salvation as INSTRUCTED by Word. (e.g. washing
of the water with the Word, KEEPING COMMANDMENTS)

Match Torah instructions with faith in Christ, if not hear, Matthew 7:21-23!
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


Ephesians 6:1-3: "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth."
Paul was never oppossed to sound doctrine.
Ephesians 1:17: "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:"
How could any named christian oppose the word of God at their convenience? Is it that they are not sincere?
Ephesians 1:24: "Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen."
---Nana on 11/19/09


James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
---Rev_Herb on 2/3/08


daryl - An observance of any kind is an act of conduct and may be considered correct, appropriate or right conduct - per your dictionary.

On the other hand, an ceremonial observance as is the Sababth is something that is a ritualistic type of conduct performed only once per week, in contrast to a moral law which is something that can be violated anytime.
---lee1538 on 12/11/06


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i'm just passin through here, but thought i'd throw in my 2 cents. the Bible does differentiate when it uses the word "law", if looked at contextually and with a strongs, as it does God's Sabbath and the Jews sabbath. As for Lee's post on the Sabbath being a moral law... cont...
---daryl on 12/11/06


part2. The Sabbath, technically, is a moral law...per the dictionary "of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong" Anything going against God's Law is sin, since the Sabbath is part of that Law, I'd say that the Sabbath Command is a distinction between right and wrong.
---daryl on 12/11/06


Part3. As for the bulding a fire post earlier, if you reread Exodus 35:2-3, you would see that the Bible explicitly mentions "do no work" then mentions the building of fire. This is because it's talking of industrial fires, for work purposes, not to keep warm in winter. I have no "college level studies", but I'll back up what these people are saying, because they're right, they may not be able to rattle off scriptures like some, but that doesnt make them wrong.
---daryl on 12/11/06


Simba_Nh - *There are two types of laws, The law of moses(ceremonial law) and the law of God.*

The problem with your theology is that the Bible does not make any such distinction between types of laws.

When it speaks of the law as 'we are not under the law but under grace'(Romans 6:14), the law is nothing less than all the law.
---lee1538 on 12/10/06


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Gina - *Christians who read their Bibles understand the 10 Commandments are the moral law:Morals have not been abolished!*

Your are dealing with Christians that not only read the Bible but have taken studies in it at the college level.

I would beg for an answer as to why you believe that the Sabbath commandment is a moral law.

Remember a moral law is something that can be broken any day of the week whereas the Sabbath can only be violated on Saturday.

THINK THINK THINK!
---lee1538 on 12/9/06


SDAs are not the only ones defending God's Holy 10 Commandments.The 10 Commandments Commission, which promotes the 10 Commandments Day,states "Those who care about traditional values cannot passively sit by and watch the removal of the very principles that made this country great. The Ten Commandments are the heart of all moral code and must be restored to the heart of our society." Christians who read their Bibles understand the 10 Commandments are the moral law:Morals have not been abolished!
---Gina on 12/9/06


read the red words in your bible they are the commandments of Christ, they make the black one make sense. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/7/06


There are two types of laws, The law of moses(ceremonial law) and the law of God.
God wrote the 10 on two tables of stones,which still remain to be kept upto this day, read the two:GODS LAW COMANDMENTS,Exodus 24:12 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written..
CEREMONIAL:
Deuteronomy 31:9 "And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons...
---Simba_Nh on 4/7/06


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Yes its true, read the followings Verses:
James 2:10 says "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Matthew 5:17 says "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
John 14:15 says "If ye love me, keep my commandments.
---Simba_Nh on 4/7/06


Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us , who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:4.

The fruit of the Spirit . . . against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23.
---frank on 4/7/06


casey - you should realize that if you wish to keep the Sabbath, then you must follow all the problematic ordinances that pertain to it.

If you however, believe that Saturday is to be a day of rest or worship, then you simply are not following the tradition of the church but attempting to create you own.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
---lee on 11/18/05


Nah, I just keep the thermostat on 72.

By asking for divine guidance, by allowing God to own me and my actions, and by asking for forgiveness when I fail, I do try to adhere to the tenets of the 10 Commandments. I do so because He told me to do so if I love Him. Who am I to argue with God's will?!? I AM NOTHING. I am His servant.

The alternative is to disobey God by not adhering to His perfect, eternal law. Excuses of WHY I was disobedient won't hold water on judgement day.
---casey on 11/17/05


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casey - I overlooked one more requirement of the Sabbath law that you must keep.

"And the LORD said to Moses,... You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death."(Exodus 31:12,14)

If you say you must obey the Lord, then you had better "put those to death" who are disobedience. Of course, those Sunday worshippers you speak of, may put you in jail for the rest of your life! LOL
---lee on 11/17/05


casey - if you believe that you must keep all the 10 commandments, bear in mind that you also have to adhere to the things that involve those commandents such as not lighting a fire in your stove on the sabbath to cook your meals and keep warm.

You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.
(Ex. 35:3)

As a SDA, you certainly must have problems with those ordinances and rituals you desire to keep.
---lee on 11/17/05


Yes, we are all miserable sinners as measured by the 10 Commandments. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!!!
Now you have two options. Continue to TRY to keep the Commandments OUT OF LOVE as Jesus instructed, then ask for Divine Forgiveness daily, OR tell people that because we can't keep them, we shouldn't even try, then claim that we are no longer under the "bondage" of the law. I choose to Love, Honor and OBEY my Lord BECAUSE I love Him! And when I fail, I repent and ask for forgiveness.
---casey on 11/17/05


Diane - yes the Scripture says that if you break one of the commandments, you are to be found guilty of breaking them all.

"For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it." James 2:10

If you so much as light a fire to cook your meals or to keep warm on the Sabbath day, you violate that commandment. (Exodus 35:3)

Fortunately for the Christian, that commandment was merely a shadow of our rest in Christ that was to come.
---lee on 11/16/05


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Alan - my intention was not to turn the blog into one discussing the Sabbath, but one discussing the hyprocisy of eschuing the virtues of the 10 Commandments yet teaching sheeple to not follow them.
Lee - God Bless You for your keen insight. Your amazing ability to criticize while quoting off-topic scripture will certainly lead you places. Look forward to seeing you in the Kingdom.
---casey on 11/16/05


Ex. 31:17 It (the Sabbath) is a sign between me (God) and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Nothing at all in the NT that the 10 commandments should be observed except for the moral principles involved. Those that insist upon, say the Sabbath observance, are really the same legalizers that opposed the Word of God spoken through Paul the apostle.
---lee on 11/16/05


Casey .. I suggest yuo re-read what people have said in this blog. No-one (except Jesus) has ever been able to keep the 10 Commandments. You have turned this blog into a Sabbath day one ... no-one suggests we should not keep a Sabbath, the discussion is just when that should or can be.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/16/05


In what way Elder? What am I not getting? Am I explaining something wrong?
I actually don't hang around a crowd. Although I do attend church for fellowship, my beliefs are Bible based.
Maybe you guys are thinking that I am against the TenCommandmentsDay? I'm not. I just think it's wrong that people fight to include the Ten Commandments in our government & lives, yet these same people think that we are somehow saved from keeping them.
---casey on 11/15/05


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You might be hanging 'round the wrong Crowd, Casey.
---Elder on 11/15/05


Even in this blog Alan, people are stating that the commandments couldn't possibly be kept today.
I think we are on the same page? Perhaps you misunderstood my post. Keeping the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath is Exodus 20:8-11. Keeping the first day of the week as the "Lord's Day" is arbitrary with no supporting scripture (IMHO). So for this group to "restore the ten commandments" without believing they need to be kept ACCURATELY, to me is hypocrisy.
---casey on 11/15/05


Alan - I didn't want to name names of the people who have said the 10 Commandments are no longer binding. I believe they are, and I believe we are to keep the Sabbath day Holy, just as Jesus did before us as our example.
I also believe that we should repent from sinning, and ask for His forgiveness daily, all the while striving to live like Jesus did. Not sure how that is being a hypocrite?!?
---casey on 11/15/05


Casey ... dare I suggest yuo are the hypocrital one? Yu say most say that the 10 commandments are not to be kept nowadays? Who actually says this of the 10 Commandments? No-one here.
The only dispute seems to be whther the Sabbath Day, which we are to keep, is Saturday or Sunday or that special day whch we set aside for God. There are arguments to supot any of these views, but noone has suggested that we are not to keep one day aside.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/15/05


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February 5, 2006 is going to be TEN COMMANDMENTS DAY. From their site, I quote "Finally, a day in which we can come together and celebrate God's eternal moral law."
The churches & people backing this unity are from ALL KINDS of churches.
Is it just me, or is this an unbelievable hypocrisy? Why "restore the Ten Commandments and Judeo-Christian values to their rightful place in our society" when most preach the commandments are no longer binding. Unbelievable.
---casey on 11/15/05


2)"that it might be well with them" speaks to God's knowing better than we do (dah!)the consequences of behaving otherwise. He tells us how we must be saved (the pie in the sky) AND how to get the best in this life (steak on the plate while we wait!)
---Jannette on 11/11/05


1)Deuteronomy 5:29 "Oh that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!" (Remember, God doesn't use the words ALL and FOREVER lighlty.)
---Jannette on 11/11/05


When we have Christ as our Saviour, our Spirit is the Holy Spirit. The Spirit does not sin. It is the flesh that sins. We do break all of the commandments because the word says if we break one , we break them all. It is Christ that in the Spirit that keeps them for us.
---katy on 11/10/05


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If the ten commandments are in force today we will all go to hell! If however JESUS who was borned under the ten commandments, and keep them for us and we are in Him then we are no longer under condemnation because of our failure to keep the ten commandments.
---mima on 11/9/05


5. but as complementary aspects of His nature. The law reveals His moral nature, which He cannot compromise and still remain a moral God; grace reveals His loving plan to provide a means of reconciling human beings to Himself even though they are imperfect, without compromising His own nature. God the Redeemer, remains the same across the thousands of years of Old Testament history.
---Lupe2618 on 11/1/05


4. In the Old Testament as in the New, atonement came by the shedding of blood (lev. 17:11; Heb. 9:22). The shedding of animal blood in the Old Testament had efficacy because it pointed to the final atonement on Calvary. Old Testament believers were justified by faith even as New Testament believers Gal.2:15-3:29) and are called saints even as New Testament believers. God reveals the law and His grace throughout both the Old and New Testaments simultaneously, not as mutually exclusive means of salvation,
---Lupe2618 on 11/1/05


3. in obedience to God's moral laws. If he is perfect already then he doesn't. But all of us outside of him have to obey. Nothing changed from the Old Testament. Obedience then and obedience now. It is the same with salvation. I read where brother Bruce wrote that we live under grace. As if the people in the Old Testament didn't. They were saved the same way. By God's grace through faith. Of course they were not justified which could only come through Christ but nevertheless by grace.
---Lupe2618 on 11/1/05


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2. many of the other believes go down the gutter. Just because we are born again does not mean we cannot sin. The laws are there so we know right from wrong. We are under no condemnation of them and that is why as believers we cannot lose our salvation. So you see many things fall when someone gets something wrong. One wrong step and we are lead wrong. I know Eloy believes he is without sin, so he also believes he is not under the law. He still lives in this immoral world and has to live his life
---Lupe2618 on 11/1/05


Sister Rachel, I believe you have covered it correctly. I have read what you put down and its all true. We are under the law as far as the moral laws of God though we have no condemnation as believers. The moral laws of God never change. Obedience is but a part of our obligation, it is not an option. Obedience to what? to the moral laws of God. I believe you did a good job. Jesus commands us to follow His commandments. To obey. When the understanding of the law is taken wrong,
---Lupe2618 on 11/1/05


Bruce5656, Continued:
II John :5-6 Now I beseech you.. Not as though I wrote a new commandment unto you.. Verse 6: This is Love, taht we walk after His commandments. This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Now keep in mind the only Scriptures they had in the New testement time was the old testement.
---racha5364 on 10/29/05


Bruce5656,
Continued: I John 2:3-4 And hereby we know that we know HIm, if we keep His commandments. Verse 4: He that saith, I know HIm, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Verse 7: Brethern,I write NO NEW Commandment unto you, but an OLD commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye heard from the beginning. Continued:
---racha5364 on 10/29/05


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Bruce5656,
Continued: Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment Holy, and just and good.Verse 13: Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But Sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that SIN BY THE COMMANDMENT might become EXCEEDING sinful. Verse 16: If then I d that which I would not, I consent unto the LAw that IT IS GOOD. Continued:
---racha5364 on 10/29/05


Bruce5656,
People keep saying they are keeping the new commanment or new dispensation that Jesus brought, when in fact the only thing new was that he did away with the cerimonial laws not His moral laws, the Ten Commandments. Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in NEWNESS of Spirit and not in the OLDNESS of the letter. What shall we say then is the law sin? God forbid. I had not known sin but by the law. Continued:
---racha5364 on 10/29/05


That's really the argument, right Bruce? Commandment keepers read the Bible and say the moral law still stands. Grace keepers read the Bible and say the moral law was pinned to the cross with the ceremonial laws. "I have not come to destroy the law but to destroy it?"... that wouldn't make sense. I think I'll keep the commandments like Jesus and His disciples did because I love Him.
---casey on 10/18/05


Tonya,
No Jesus did not come to "do away with the law". As a jew, He was obligated to obey and fulfill all aspects of the law. There were those who thought that as Messiah, He might be above the law but Jesus made it clear He was not. However, when He died on the cross, a new dispensation began. One of Grace, not Law.
---Bruce5656 on 10/17/05


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Mike FL - But all things are possible through Christ! Which of the ten commandments are you currently unable to keep?

Which ones are you already keeping? Did you kill someone again today? No?!? Well, that's one. Are you having an affair? No?!? That's two. Keep going! Don't let your church tell you that keeping the moral law is impossible. Again... All things are possible through Christ!!! If you Love Him for his Grace, keep His commandments.
---casey on 10/17/05


"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of the Lord". IF any human could keep the commandments, he/she would not need Jesus and His crusifixion would have been in vain. While we must try to follow the law, He has covered us with His blood toward salvation. Glory to God. Saved by grace, another work in progress.
---mike_fl on 10/14/05


Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Weight of evidence favors keeping the commandments BECAUSE you love God.
---casey on 10/14/05


Jesus did not come to do away with the law. Matthew 5:17 Through Him, not the flesh, we are ABLE to keep the law. For those who do not believe that the Ten Commandments are still valid, does that men you can commit "murder", dishonor your mom and dad, use God's name in vain, etc.?
---Tonya on 10/13/05


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Actually, NaHoKa, the entire theme of the Bible is believe in and love Jesus (follow His teachings). Religion isn't the problem (at least not entirely). The problem is that God's Word has been twisted and altered just enough to lead anyone who doesn't know the entire truth in directions other than the Narrow Way to Heaven.
---Heather on 10/12/05


If it were not for religion, God's kids would be much better off! The theme of the whole Bible from beginning to end is simply this: Love your neighbor as yourself! That's what it says in the Ten Commandments, and that's what it says in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Why does man's religion make it sound so difficult and confusing, when it's so simple?
---NaHoKa on 10/12/05


No, the commandments that Jesus gave are not the same as the ten commandments in the O.T. Jesus gave us New Commandments to keep which are not in the O.T. Yes, God commands total obedience. If your eye be faultless, all your body will be full of light. But if your eye be turned aside, all your body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light, it in you, be darkness: How great the darkness!
---Eloy on 10/12/05


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