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What Day Is The Sabbath

I'm having a debate over my friend he saying that we should obey the Saturday Sabbath, but didnt early Christians including the apostles worship on the first day of every month (sunday)?. Did Christ tell us to obey the Saturday sabbath? So its sunday or saturday we should rest?

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Lee: "Such religion survives as long as people are ignorant of church history." It is you who are ignorant of church history. You have been shown that the Seventh-day Sabbath has been kept on earth continually from creation until the present, yet you think that you can rewrite history by chanting the same erroneous dogma. LOL!
---jerry6593 on 9/6/08


John, please look up Perpetual. It does mean forever. The Law was fulfilled by Jesus in the Holy Mass as Him being the Passover Lamb.
God doesn't lie. He kept His promise.
Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law. Matthew 5:17
Abolish and obsolete means the same thing.
You are saying the opposite of Jesus.

Circumcision was the outward sign of God's covenant to His people.
Pharoah's daughter knew Moses was a Jew because he was circumcised.

As Paul stated in his letter. Baptism replaced circumcision.
Jesus only called two action for Salvation.
Baptism Mark 16:16 and Euchrist John 6:54.
These two things replaced the Jewish form of Salvation: Circumcision and Passover.

Fullfillment isn't deletion.
---Nicole on 9/5/08


Nicole. Jesus didn't just drop an everlasting covenant. The first one was not intended to be forever. Perpetual doesn't always mean for ever. Just like circumcision was perpetual, and we now see it is useless in the NT according to Gal.5:15.
Jesus fulfilled the old one and made it obsolete. It is the New Covenant that we are to live by, not the old one.
---john on 9/4/08


Micah 6:6: "Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? 7: Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8: He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"
---Nana on 9/4/08


The keeping of the Sabbath day was a sign between God and the Jews of His Covenant with them. When they stopped respecting the Sabbath day, the relationship was broken. The prophets saw it as symbolic of a lot of other sinfulness, basically idol worship that had crept in. So then God sent Jesus as our final hope of Salvation, and all things were suddenly new. The Old had passed away, and no longer was circumcision and a lot of other customs, necessary. The Ten Commandments still held, in fact the explaination of them that Jesus gave us, demanded more strict adherence to them. Because Jesus rose on Sunday, the Christians wanted to differentiate themselves from Jews. They met on Sundays. That is the only commandment that kind of changed.
---frances008 on 9/3/08




So you love God and He loves you. But your plane crashes on a remote desert island. You wake up not knowing how long you've been unconscious. You have no clock\calendar. Which day do you choose as your sabbath ? And if you get it wrong ? Do you really think God is so small-minded that He would punish you ? It's not that DAY that's important - it's the state of your heart that matters. If a disaster happens on a Saturday, God would not punish those who toiled to save lives... Well, not my God anyway
---Ken on 9/3/08


"It is finished," *Jesus* said. When you do something right, you only have to do it once. Jesus submitted to our Father as "a sweet-smelling aroma," we have in Ephesians 5:2. He did this to bring us to God, Himself, not to a day or figuring out about a bunch of cups (o: And look at how efficient He was, by being *obedient* > "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2) What *He* did can cover all humans with all their sins, "of the whole world." By being obedient to God Himself, we can have all-loving results, like how Abraham got "all the nations of the earth...blessed, because you have obeyed My voice." (Genesis 22:18)
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/2/08


"It is finished!"--Bill_bila5659

Jesus came not to be Passover, so He became the Sacrifical Lamb, in which all Christians must eat to have eternal life.
John 6:54.

You can't drop a convenant when it is forever as God stated in Exodus.

That's why Jesus calls its the New Covenant.

When He said "it is finish" He is speaking about the 4th cup of wine He didn't drink with the Disciples. Study the Passover.
Only 3 cups were taken. The 4th cup wasn't taken because Jesus was not to be Passed.
He states it is finished after He took the sip of wine on the Cross.

But, all are still required to fortake of the Lamb. New Covenant. John chapter 6. Jesus doesn't speak just to hear Himself speak.
---Nicole on 8/30/08


*Today is the sabbath, and the sabbath-keepers are out exalting their righteousness above the Savior...

Yes, and if you were to attend any of their Saturday services, you would also hear the Roman catholic church is that terrible evil church that changed God's holy Sabbath to Sunday.

Pity the poor student of history in their church that discovers the Gentile church no longer observed the OT Sabbath by end of the 1st century but met on Sundays - the Lord's Day.

Such religion survives as long as people are ignorant of church history.
---Lee1538 on 8/30/08


Today is the sabbath, and the sabbath-keepers are out exalting their righteousness above the Savior, who said "The work of God is to believe on his Son." Here is how to keep the sabbath perfectly. Be crucified WITH Christ, in whom man "finally" fulfilled that sabbath, and all the laws. If you refuse, Christ is of no effect for you! The early Church met daily. If someone couldn't be there, Christians understood, and so did their Lord. So, meet often! May our heavenly Father find you IN his Son.
---bill on 8/30/08




"but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates." (Exodus 20:10) So, even servants and strangers and cattle are not to work on the Sabbath. This shows me that the Fourth Commandment is a "love your neighbor as yourself" commandment, having us welcome others also to have rest on the Sabbath. And while I am not working I can learn to do only what the LORD has me doing with the "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:29) which Jesus guarantees us while we are obeying Him. And then keep on obeying God in His rest, during the rest of the week.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/30/08


Let's reason this out. The seventh day sabbath (Saturday) was established by God thousands of years before the Israelites came into existance. Thus, we know it isn't a Jewish thing.

Now, we know that in the OT, the Israelites must obey the Ten Commandments plus the other 613 laws God gave them. If they disobeyed God on any of the commandments or laws, God punished them. We know from reading the Bible that when the Israelites were bad, God punished them. When they were good, God rewarded them. Would God continue rewarding them if they disobeyed the fourth commandment?
---Steveng on 8/28/08


Kenny asks > "if the Passover is insignificant, why would Jesus celebrate every Passover throughout his life, until his death?" ("his" or "His", Kenny?)

The Passover IS significant, as a "shadow" of our Passover who came (consider Colossians 2:16-17, Hebrews 8:1-6, 10:1) > of Jesus who has come in the flesh and IS "our Passover" > "For indeed Christ,

our Passover,

was sacrificed for us." (1 Corinthians 5:7)

Yes, Jesus *kept* the Passover, then He *fulfilled* it > "'Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.'" (Matthew 5:17) "It is finished!" (in John 19:30)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/28/08


gorden: ido believe that God called seventh day sabath. ijust don't believe that it is absolutley saturday. there are some people who start their work on tuesday and have to work through sunday. their seventh day is monday. if they give that day to God i believe they are keeping the sabath that God inacted.i wonder how many saturday sabath people cook all there food on friday, don't fix anything around the house or don't call someone else to fix something on saturday. im not saying that other people follow it to the letter but then they are not so hard lined.ihave studied the bible but i try to apply grace where there is room for interpitation. i see your side and where you come from. so i think we must agree to disagree.
---joe on 8/28/08


Yes Joe, don't you realize that Adams even celebrated Christmas as certainly he had the same calendar as we have?

Don't let them snare you into their legalism, there is virtually no command whatsoever or even a hint of a command for Christians to observe any day of the week.

Perhaps these people have yet to read Romans 14 where it clearly states that we need not esteem any day over others.

These wolves think that they are pleasing the Lord by obeying OT commands not at all found within the New Covenant of the church.
---Lee on 8/28/08


The Jews have used the same cal. for over 5000 yrs. they still observe Sat. as the Sabbath, Does anyone have any understanding?
They've been doing it for over 5000 yrs.
don't you think they know what day it is?
Man, you people are hard headed!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 8/28/08


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Joe, To claim that "the true days of the week aren't really known, so, how can we really be sure?" is only a cop out from simply obeying GOD's Command for us to observe His Sabbath. GOD has made it well certain that the days we have, in their current order (Sunday: first day through Saturday: seventh day), are the same order as they always have been. There is no need to "prove" that the days are really as they should be. GOD has preserved them Himself. You have been informed of the 7th Day Sabbath Commandment. If you really love GOD, you'll search His Holy Scriptures more for proof and you'll obey Him in this matter. Blessings to you!
---Gordon on 8/28/08


Are you all aware that you are using names of the days of the week by Roman's gods.
The Month's name also picked by the Romans.

So God made only 7 days. He did not name the 7 days, but man did.

For the first day, the Romans called it Sunday.
---Nicole on 8/28/08


joe - and the names of the week were declared by the Romans in honor of their gods.

While Sabbaterians believe the 7 day sequence was followed from the Creation, there is virtually no evidence that was the case.

Even Saturday was in honor of the Roman god Saturnus whose astrological planetary character is 'death & limitation', while Sunday named in honor of the sun had as its character 'expression & self-confidence'.

From Calendars thru the Ages website.
---Lee1538 on 8/27/08


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But we are in Jesus who is in the Heavenly places where there are no days and His *rest* is 24/7, fulfilling what the Sabbath is...
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not supported by Gods Word ...logical reasoning if one chooses men over God

Christ led by example ...his Apostles followed Christ example

Christ observed Sabbath and more than 50 Sabbaths observed by the Apostles

God told us his Sabbath was forever ...to beleive Christ abolished the Sabbath when Christ told us he came to fulfill the law not abolish it ...AND when God told us his Sabbath was forever is to call God a liar

I prefer to understand Gods Word for exactly what it says rather than adding man made religious reasoning choosing a day of the pagans whom God hates
---Rhonda on 8/27/08


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please give me the scripture verse that says God created light and seperated it from the darkness and says this is SUNDAY the first day and not just the first day andif you would please show me where it
says he rested on SATURDAY the seventh day THIS MAY BE RETERIC but my bible doesnt mention any named day just that he worked 6 and rested on the seventh. man came along and put a name on them
---joe on 8/27/08


Gordon!Shalom!I went back and reviewed your entries to try to understand your position. "My" response is a) The Sabbath is from the creation. b) No legislation of it until the covenant with Moses as head. There it is stated s/ds Friday - Saturday. They never kept it (Heb4) c) Gentiles were excluded from the covenant, barring conversion. Jesus excluded Gentiles from his covenant fulfillment with Israel (Jn. 12.20ff.) Jesus said "It is finished" - fulfilled, over!(Heb 10.14) He prophesied (Jn 4.23f) a new order (Heb 7.12) f)The Jewish apostles disobeyed Jesus refusing the Gentiles fellowship (Acts ff.) so the EXALTED Jesus chose Paul to prophesy (Phil 3all!) You and I are now free to meet together IN Christ.
---Bill on 8/26/08


The calendar was made
1 Sunday
2 Monday
3 Tuesday
4 Wednesday
5 Thursday
6 Friday
7 Saturday
Man tried to change it to confuse the world and have exceeded but when you look you still have evidence that Sunday is the first day and Saturday is the seventh day, the Sabbath.
---shalla on 8/26/08


i intrepert this as saying (one day in seven shall be the sabath) not any particular day. because of work some people do not have saturdays or sundays off. but give to god another day. the bible says (you shall work six days and rest on the seventh. man has put a name on it not God.
---joe on 8/26/08


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Bill bila5659, Thank you for all of that unscriptural rhetoric that cannot be founded on GOD's Holy Written Word nor from any of GOD's true holy Prophets. The Bible is quite clear that there is a practical Sabbath Day to be observed and it is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Shalom!
---Gordon on 8/26/08


The sabbath is the old covenant law (which is abolished), not the New Testament Law (which is in force). The Lord God Jesus works on the sabbath, and he also told a man to work on the sabbath. "Jesus said to him, Rise, take up your bed and walk. The Jews said to him, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for you to carry bed. But Jesus answered them, My Father works up to here, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." John 5:8,10,17,18. Worshipping Christ on Sunday is recorded in the Bible. Please read Matthew 28:1,5,6,9,16,17, Luke 24:1,5-8,51-53, Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16.
---Eloy on 8/25/08


mike,
John 15:1: "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman." "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine, no more can ye, except ye abide in me.", v5.
1 Cor 10:3: "And did all eat the same spiritual meat, 4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness."
mike, it is not the thing about being "born in Christ", it is all together the thing To Live In Christ...
---Nana on 8/25/08


Bill bila5659,
Tell me, if Passover is insignificant, why Jesus would celebrate every Passover throughout his life, until his death?
---Kenny on 8/25/08


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While the Old Testament Sabbath was to be observed on the 7th day of the week reflecting the rest of God at creation, it was no longer observed by the end of the 1st century by the church outside of Palestine.

Since this was the time of the Apostles & their immediate successors, there is no other explanation apart from the fact that they did not teach Sabbath observance.

Since the church gathered on Sundays - that being a non-work day for the rest of the world - the OT sabbath was replaced by the Christian sabbath.

There is, however, virtually nothing in the covenant of the church to observe any day.
---Lee1538 on 8/25/08


I have enjoyed this discussion. Christians are free to believe whatever they want about the Sabbath. I have said what I wanted to say and will now let it go. Shalom!
---bernie_cohen on 8/25/08


The D's & the women that followed Jesus observed the Sabbath, even the weekend of his Death/Resurrection...
One thing is for sure, He will come one day and teach us his way's & we will do them.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 8/25/08


First, the proper Sabbath is usually considered to be from Friday sunset til Saturday sunset. But we are in Jesus who is in the Heavenly places where there are no days and His *rest* is 24/7, fulfilling what the Sabbath is for bringing us to, I can consider.

But it can be good to go to Shabbat temple service of Jews in order to reach them (consider, in 1 Corinthians 9:20 > "to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews"). But the Sabbath kept by Moses in the wilderness was sunset to sunset THERE > in other parts of the world, sunset to sunset would not be at the same time, so ARE ones elsewhere to keep the Sabbath simultaneous with Moses' sunset to sunset, OR during their *own* sunset to sunset?
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/08


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Bernie, Friend, it's not just a "belief". The Sabbath issue is very important to GOD. He wants His true followers to know about it and obey Him in what He tells us to do in regards to it. He already spelled it out in Genesis and Exodus. YAHUSHUA observed it. The Saints of the early times of the Church continued to obey and observe it after YAHUSHUAS's Resurrection. That is until the Church began to revert back into Sunday paganism, and turn from GOD's Sabbath. It's not an option once you've been informed. If you really love GOD, you will continue to search about this. GOD has lifted up some End-Time Prophets and Teachers to tell His people to get back to HIS True Sabbath. It's especially important for these Last Days. YAH's Blessings!
---Gordon on 8/25/08


To all of those who take issue with Paul, he stated in Romans that the Gentile was without excuse, for God was manifest in his creation. The Jew, who boasted of the law but didn't keep it, caused God's name to be blasphemed among the Gentiles. All the world is guilty before God. The Jew keeps Sabbath because God placed its remembrance IN the law. The Church keeps Sunday because of error. The Christian is not saved by grace because of his faith AND keeping the sabbath. Ephesians 2 shows we keep his rest TODAY only because God has raised us up and MADE us SIT together in heavenly places IN Christ Jesus, who was crucified BEFORE the foundation of the world.
---Bill on 8/25/08


The actual Sabbath was Saturday. The context of the Old Testament was written through the Jewish week and the last day of the week was on Saturday. It was changed by a Pope some time later. I believe it was Pope Gregory. He's also responsible for our current calendar too.
---Paul on 8/24/08


Nana, the tree is Israel the root is Christ. If the tree were Christ then all Jews would be born in Christ. Some Jews, the ones cut off,would be cut off from Christ, which can also happen to the Gentiles.
---mike on 8/23/08


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Is.56:6," Also the sons of the stranger,that join themselves to the Lord,to serve Him, and to love the Name of the Lord,to be His servants,every one that keepeth The Sabbath from polluting it and taketh hold of My covenant."
This is God's Sabbath, the 7th day, and the new covenant.
---mike on 8/23/08


Irene,
I wonder if you'd be kind enough to identify yourself in some slightly different way, (as that is the way I've been signing for several years), in order to avoid confusion in case of conflicting statements? :) It would be nice for both our sakes if you would. Thanks. By the way, did you know our name means "PEACE" ?
Blessings, Irene
---Irene on 8/23/08


jerry6593,
Please dispel my "Opinions", bring your proofs- yet lacking. Abraham's seed, is it physical or spiritual? It is both. In Romans 11, the broken off natural branches, were they broken off physically or spiritually? They were broken spiritually, v.20: "Well, because of unbelief they were broken off". We are not baby Jews, "thou standest by faith". What do I think, "salvation is of the Jews" (Joh 4:22)? Not what you think like when you say, Jacob is my father. "Art thou greater than our father Jacob", John v12. "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst".
Christ is our father, "Before Abraham was, I am." Who's the Daddy?
---Nana on 8/23/08


Shabbat shalom! We will chat again Saturday evening.
---bernie_cohen on 8/22/08


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Gordon old fellow, you are welcome to believe whatever your heart desires. After all, belief is only belief. I have mine and you have yours. No problem.
---bernie_cohen on 8/22/08


Bernie, The 7th Day Sabbath is not just for the Jewish Race. The 7th Day Sabbath was established right after GOD Created all in 6 Days. Meaning, that it was intended for ALL of the human race. The whole idea was that GOD spoke and worked through the Jewish Race FIRST and they were to carry that Knowledge and the Laws of GOD eventually to the Gentile world. The Jews were GOD's chosen Race to "get the ball rolling" of reconciling man to GOD. And that's what happened, starting with YAHUSHUA (JESUS) and the First Church (comprising first of Jews). For GOD's whole plan is the reconciliation of both Jew and Gentile to Himself. Our Saviour is Jewish, though the Sunday Protestant Church of today has mostly stripped Him of this Element.
---Gordon on 8/22/08


Nana: Opinions are fine, but the Bible says ABRAHAM'S SEED (Gal 3:29).

BTW, why do you think Jesus said "salvation is of the Jews" (Joh 4:22)?
---jerry6593 on 8/22/08


Personally I think they are actually the same day. Back then their day of rest was the 7th day of the week. I believe that their first day of the week was Monday, thus making the 7th Sunday.
---Daniel on 8/21/08


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Gordon, just saying there is nothing at all in the Torah requiring non-Jews to observe Shabbat, which was only given to Israel. But I have no objection if you want to observe it yourself however you want to. There are no Jewish police to stop you. Enjoy your day!
---bernie_cohen on 8/21/08


Bernie Cohen, Greetings to you, friend. You're of Jewish blood, I assume, by your last name. My apologies. I meant nothing personal. It's just that as you made your statement of fact, it needed to be also stressed as to whether or not what the Orthodox Jews believe is Truth. For some, who aren't familiar enough with the Holy Scriptures and with GOD Himself can be lead to think that just because they're religious Jews, that they must therefore be espousing the Truth of GOD. The Way to Heaven is indeed a very Narrow Way, and this Way must be clarified for all. YAH's Blessings to you!
---Gordon on 8/21/08


jerry6593,
Galatians 3 is strictly about God's promise to those who put their faith in him. This faith through Christ is one and the same faith Abraham had. That we all share in the same faith and hope is clear in v.28_29, where not gender, nationality or status disqualify a believer from the full promise. Our seed is Christ, v.16. James 1:12: "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. " On Romans 11, we are definitely branches from the wild olive tree graffed indeed against nature unto a good tree.
What tree do you think? Abraham? Jacob? Or is it Christ?
---Nana on 8/21/08


Gordon old chap, I am not arguing for or against any position. I am simply stating what I know. I am your friend.
---bernie_cohen on 8/20/08


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Bill, When GOD created the Earth and everything on it in 6 Days, He said that it was all good. Then He RESTED on the following 7th Day. He then SANCTIFIED that 7th Day and each and every 7th Day following thereafter. It is GOD's perfect Day of rest that He established for mankind. To not observe His Sabbath Day of Rest is rebellion. The Sunday Church has made this Sabbath issue so impossibly difficult. Just do what you do on Sunday, on Saturdays instead! Not hard at all. Sunday Saints say that they observe Sunday to honour YAHUSHUA'S Resurrection. How about honouring GOD Himself and His Son YAHUSHUA (Who kept the 7th Day Sabbath) by observing the 7th Day Sabbath that HE picked out?!
---Gordon on 8/20/08


Bernie Cohen, Gentiles are forbidden to observe the 7th Day Sabbath, according to Orthodox Jews or to YAHUVEH, the Almighty God? Scriptures say, in effect, that: Let every man be a liar, GOD is still Truthful forevermore. As Saints, whether of Jewish blood or Gentile blood, our concern should always be: "hat does GOD Himself say?" The Orthodox Jews do not really know GOD, for they do not accept His Only Begotten Son YAHUSHUA (JESUS). YAHUSHUA said in John 14:6 "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father (YAHUVEH) but by ME." We Saints are not to follow the beliefs of any religious group that goes AGAINST the Sacred Scriptures.
---Gordon on 8/20/08


According to normative Orthodox Judaism Gentiles are forbidden to observe the sabbath as Jews do. (I am not Orthodox myself but rather heterodox.)
---bernie_cohen on 8/19/08


Bill: Jesus is the Creator of the Seventh-day Sabbath. It was Jesus who wrote with His own finger in stone the commandment to remember the Sabbath day. Jesus kept the Sabbath as an example for us - even in the grave He rested on the Sabbath. He claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath day. He did not create something that needed replacing.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
---jerry6593 on 8/19/08


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What a great topic, the very one that changed my life after 33 years as a believer. I read everything I could find about this for months, heard every imaginable argument. I could not escape the fact that the 7th day sabbath, even before Moses, honored the work of God as creator...the FIRST creation! But Christ is the beginning of the NEW creation. Old things are passed away and I am dead and my life is hid with Christ in God. He establishes a new order, created in LOVE. He makes US new FIRST, then he will place us on a NEW earth in a NEW heaven. In it there is only one day, TODAY!
---Bill on 8/19/08


The 7th Day Sabbath was ESTABLISHED at the end of the Creation Week. This Sabbath was intended for ALL of mankind. Because mankind chose to sin and rebel against the LORD, they played out that rebellion and sin by ALSO by rebelling against the 7th Day Sabbath. GOD's Salvation for mankind is mankind's WAY BACK to GOD and to His Ways of living. That Original 7th Day Sabbath is a part of His Ways that He set up for mankind to live. Those who reject the 7th Day Sabbath out of IGNORANCE, the LORD does not hold accountable. But, for those who have been INFORMED but stubbornly fight against it, and do not search the Word to see if it is so, and do not seek the LORD's Face in Prayer about it, will be held accountable to GOD. They are not guiltless.
---Gordon on 8/18/08


Mike, Imagine, God who spoke things seen and unseen into existence, actually tires? and must rest? I rather think not. A day of rest is a good thing for the human body. He establishes that for our own good. God is not subject to being tired. He does grow weary of our rebelliousness. Thank you Jesus for your sacrifice and the cross. Thankfully, God is long suffering and patient with us. God (Holy Spirit) is never at rest. His work is nonstop in our lives always. Its in His Word. Everyday is the Sabbath day, when in Christ Jesus. We are spiritually at rest with Him, because it is not "I who live, but Christ within". No ritualistic thinking. God wants a shared ongoing relationship.
---Robert on 8/18/08


God's Sabbath will always be on the 7th. day. Thats the day He rested from all His works. To change His Sabbath to another day would be calling God a liar. I don't think even Jesus wants to call His Father a liar.The disciples meet on the first day of the week, but I don't think they called it The Sabbath. As for christians they have not yet completed their work,therefore,they have not yet entered into The rest. They still must look to the day that their work is done.
---mike on 8/18/08


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Nana: "Jacob is not my father."

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Are you not Christ's? Are you not a gentile grafted in (Rom 11)?
---jerry6593 on 8/18/08


Jesus is our Sabbath.He is our rest. If you will seek him with all your heart, he will help you to find the answers that you seek.
---gayla on 8/17/08


There's no Biblical record of Christians worshipping on Sunday. First day is mentioned in the record of the resurrection. and when Paul preached prior at Troas [Acts 20:7] on Sunday night. The journeys of Paul, has many accounts of his preaching on the Sabbath - not just to Jews - Acts 13:42 clearly refers to Gentiles. Acts 18:11 Paul spent 18 months in one city preaching on Sabbath [more than 70 Sabbaths] but only 1 account of a Sunday night. Why take hold of one instance and throw out the rest? Jesus spoke about the destruction of Jerusalem [ in 70 AD]he told people to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath. He knew his followers would be keeping the Sabbath. Compare Rev 1:10 and Isa 58:13 to see what is the Lord's day.God Bless
---MARIAH on 8/16/08


jerry6593,
It is not "pity" that you felt, but rather a wounding of your presumption. I read and then said, "Please read Isaiah 58", not just some verses. Jacob is not my father. If he was, my ancestors would not have been called Gentiles. As I have said before, I find it commendable your zeal of Sabbath observance and dietary, etc. Honoring the Lord, seeking first his pleasure (John 8:29), following his ways, speaking with the wisdom of the knowledge of God, seem like a daily task, don't you think? Whom such do is and will always be in the Lord's rest, not just on a special day.
---Nana on 8/16/08


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kathr: "****Simple, every day is the "Sabbath"***"

That is not what the scriptures say!
---jerry6593 on 8/15/08


****Simple, every day is the "Sabbath"***

Absolutely, everyday.....365/24/7 I worship the Lord, and REST in Him. He gave me REST for my soul. I have Peace with Him.

No more yolk upon my shoulders...He took that yolk, and gave me REST....and not just on Saturdays....

Praise GOD!!!

Besides we enter His Rest we don't keep it!
---kathr4453 on 8/15/08


The First 7th Day Sabbath began on the 7th Day of the Creation Week. To say that the 10 Commandments were "only for the Jewish Race" is untrue. GOD's Moral Laws, including the 7th Day Sabbath was established at Creation, BEFORE the Jewish Race existed. "Thou shalt not kill", for example, was violated when Cain killed Abel. The argument AGAINST the Church, GOD's people, to observe the True 7th Day Sabbath, is based on a misinterpretation of GOD's Grace. That we are "no longer under the law, but, under Grace." We are no longer under the 613 Mosaic laws (Circumcision, eating and purification laws, etc.). But, we are to still obey GOD's Moral Laws, as spelled out in the Ten Commandments.
---Gordon on 8/15/08


Nicole, the only reference to Sabbath and Worship will be in the Millennial Kingdom Reign...

Colossians 2 state these Sabbaths and New moons are a shadow of things to come..the Coming Millennial Kingdom Reign.

The CHURCH is not this Kingdom, and the 1000 years have not started as of yet.

However all Sabbatians want to take this TIME and apply it to now....as they do ALL their scripture references.


Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Ezekiel 46:3
Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the Sabbaths and in the new moons.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/08


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Nana: Pity that you stopped reading in Isa 58. Had you continued, you would have seen:

Isa 58:13,14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable, and shalt honor him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD, and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Sure doesn't sound like "Just pick any ol' day - that's fine with me."
---jerry6593 on 8/15/08


Lee: You have no idea how entertaining you are. You say that I am "cherry-picking" OT Law, when YOU are the one who "cherry-picks" which of the Ten Commandment Moral Laws YOU consider valid! LOL! You admit that Jesus commanded Sabbath worship, is Lord of the Sabbath, kept the Sabbath as an example to us, did not change the Sabbath, etc., and yet you twist the writings of a mere man (Paul) to contradict those of the Creator. Even if Paul's writings were to contradict Jesus (which you apparently think they do, but I don't), is Paul your god or is Jesus? You consistently chose Paul over Jesus. Too bad he is dead and unable to save you.
---jerry6593 on 8/15/08


Colossians 2: "16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. "
---Kay on 8/15/08


We should take sa-bath on Sunday, and take sa-bath on Monday, and take sa-bath on Tuesday, and take sa-bath on Wednesday, and take sa-bath on Thursday, and take sa-bath on Friday, and take sa-bath on Saturday, then will we be clean everyday.
---Eloy on 8/15/08


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Sabbath is not a human day of midnight to midnight. God considers a day, from sundown to sundown, not midnight to midnight. So the Sabbath can be sundown on Friday to Sundown on Saturday(Jewish Tradition) or sundown Saturday to sundown Sunday(Catholic Tradition). What is important here is rest from your labour and to set aside a COMPLETE day to worship your CREATOR..
---Friend_Of_God on 8/14/08


Simple, every day is the "Sabbath". Christians are to live and walk by the Spirit of God as an ongoing lifestyle. Paul wrote, "its not I who live, but Christ within me". Every day is a day onto God, each day being as important as the other. A relationship with God is not in any manner remotely religious. The Old Testament represented a "form" of religion, but the New Testament represents the substance. The Bible teaches that God inhabits the Praises of His People. The "Sabbath" is everyday lived in obedience to God.
---Robert on 8/14/08


Lee what Jerry is saying is how can we accept the literal truth of only 9 of the 10 commandments. What about the other one?

I am not SDA BTW.
---Warwick on 8/14/08


Jerry - *How can one argue that the OT Commandments prohibiting idol worship, murder, adultery, .. but the one that commands labor six days a week (including Sunday) and rest on the seventh day is no longer valid?

Easily, all one needs to recognize is that the church is under the New Covenant alone and not cherry picked laws from a covenant declared to be obsolete (Hebr. 8:13).

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for one to esteem all days alike and observe the OT Sabbath. It is simple as that, why do you stubbornly refuse to admit it?
---Lee1538 on 8/14/08


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Rest day?
Matthew 8:20: ", The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, "
Worship day? Please read Isaiah 58
Isaiah 58:6: "Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? "
"I will have mercy, and not sacrifice", emphatically reiterates with "I will". Even more, our Lord declared, Matthew 18:20: " in my name, there am I in the midst of them." He did not state a specific day. Every day and in everything we do it should be done as unto the Lord. Anything else is not accepted, regardless of day.
---Nana on 8/14/08


How can one argue that the OT Commandments prohibiting idol worship, murder, adultery, theft, etc. are still in force, but the one that commands labor six days a week (including Sunday) and rest on the seventh day is no longer valid? It's just not consistent! By what logic, and on whose authority is the Word of God made void?
---jerry6593 on 8/13/08


Now since the tradition has changed, I would say either Sat or Sun. The churches I have attended in the last 10 years all have both Sat and Sun worship available. I have been known to keep the Sabbath on Saturday from time to time, but usually it is Sun for me because that is when the singles Sunday school class meets.
---obewan on 8/11/08


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