Divorced Woman Bishop
There is this divorced lady who was made Bishop recently at her church. She had another baby while she was senior pastor, She didn't reconcile with any of her 3 husbands to father her child. Isn't it wrong for her to continue serving let alone be promoted into a higher level?
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---Emma on 10/17/05
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Sue on 8/27/09:
Your earthly Father, Bishop(s), and Husband have failed to teach you the word of God. Your responses are carnal, and not from the spirit, Romans 6:19, 8:4-8, 1Corinthians 1:26, 3:1, Galatians 5:17-18, Colossians 2:18-19, 1Peter 4:1-2, 1John 2:16.
Using your letter:
It does matter what we think! "Everything must be backed up by the Word" as God understands it. The Lord calls people to the positions that he chooses. Romans 8:9-16, 1Corinthians 2:5-16, 1John 3:24 disproves your point. Tares prosper, and the spirit of the enemy is Antichrist, Matthew 13:24-30. Please see the entries on 7/8. You should "Pray, ask God"... Ezekiel 33:32, Matthew 23:3.
---Glenn on 8/29/09|
We should not amazed of what is happening inside the churches today. Wither leaders were living in decent moral life it is so clear in 2 Cor. 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.
---rosalie on 8/29/09|
It is obvious this lady and her church can care less about what is written in God's Word.
---Rob on 8/29/09|
What does it matter what we think? Everything must be backed up by the Word as we understand it. The Lord is the one that calls people to different postions because only He knows our hearts and ability. We have a spirit in us that bears witness with God's spirit. If he has called someone to do something, be it man or woman, it will prosper and you will see the fruits and feel the spirit in it. Pray for your leaders. My father pastored and I had various leadership jobs in the church. Pray, ask God and he can give you any answer you desire. He will open up the meaning of the Word to you. Bless you.Susan.
---sue on 8/27/09|
What denomination was it?
I can't imagine either the RCC or the Anglican church making this appointment.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/14/09|
The woman is a poster child for flawed leadership and needs her 40-years in the desert to get right with God. She should then return and be under authority of a righteous leader who works as an accountability partner.
She doesn't need authority or position but instead humility.
In addition 3 husbands is evidence she's not been walking or led by the Holy Spirit.
---larry on 7/13/09|
Well for starters women are forbiden in scripture from taking leadership roles in church. This means they can not lead a prayer in the presence of a Christian man. They can not lead singing, they can not preach, They can not be elders or deacons. God specifically gave leadership roles to men. Women are instructed to teach the younger women. Second of all the use of the pastor in reference to a minister is incorrect. That term means elder. I would suggest you find a church that follows scripture. The Bible is very specific in the way that the church is to run and I can tell you flat out that the church you speak of doesn't resemble the church of the Bible in any way shape or form.
---Jon on 7/13/09|
if i may ask..
what moral values does that church teach?
i will personally not count myself if there
scripture says " come out from among them and be ye separate"
---PAT on 7/10/09|
Yes, it was wrong.
---Betty on 7/10/09|
How do you mean do not judge, who's judging?
If a bishop is supposed to be a man of one wife, The a woman of several husbands has got to out of the question how was it to mean a divorced woman with a bag load of sexual sin attached to her life?
---Carla3939 on 7/10/09|
Matthew 7:1-5 and Luke 6:41-42 deal with hypocrisy and unjust judgment.
Judge, 1Corinthians 2:15, 5:3, 11-13, 6:4, 11:31, 2Thesalonians 3:6, 1Timothy 5:19-22 (elders), 2John 1:9-11.
Permit 1Timothy 3:1-15, Titus 1:6-9, 1Peter 5:2.
Apply Romans 16:17-18, 1Corinthians 5.
Make the final judgment, John 5:22, 27, Acts 10:42, 2Corinthians 5:10.
Judge our brother as to "meats and days", Romans 14:4, 10.
Falsely judge, or to diminish our brother, James 4:11.
Matthew 18:15-20 concerns personal offenses, and allows the matter to be dealt with in private if they repent, 1Timothy 5 does not. See also - 1Timothy 1:20, 2Timothy 2:17, Revelations 2:20.
---Glenn on 7/8/09|
*1 A Mathew 23:10-11, Acts 20:28, Philippians 1:1, 1Timothy 3:1-10, 12-13, Titus 1:7, etc.
B 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:(33) 34-35 (36-38), and 1Timothy 2:11-12 (8-15).
*2 A Deuteronomy 22:17-19, 28-29, 24:1-4, Proverbs 2:17 (forsaketh husband), Isaiah 54:4-8, Jeremiah 3:1, Malachi 2:14-16.
B Matthew 5:31-32, 19:3-12, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18, 1Corinthians 6:15-16, 7:10-17, 27.
C 1Timothy 3:1-15, Titus 1:6-9, 1Peter 5:2-3.
*3 Romans 9:21, 12:6-8, 1Corinthians 12:4-6, 14-30, 14:1 (to teach), Ephesians 4:11-15, 1Timothy 3:1-15, Titus 1:6-9, 1Peter 5:2-3.
---Glenn on 7/8/09|
It is wrong!
*1) Pastor, Bishop, etc. are in the masculine because the great Pastor selects men to the pastorate. Satan sends wolves, Matthew 7:15. She is automatically disqualified, and so - no.
*2) Was adultery, committed by the other party(s), the grounds for divorce. If not, that's a no. Also, a person who is not set free, and has incorrect thinking in any area, can not easily help another person with the same problem, and so, no.
*3) A pastor guards, and feeds, the sheep, and the standards for bishop-elders, bishops, and deacons are not suggestions, but orders. Another no.
I'm assuming that this church would be full of rebels who neither respect marriage, nor the Lord.
---Glenn on 7/8/09|
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Mathew 7:1-5
---Julie on 3/29/09|
It's not wrong for her to serve the Lord. It is wrong for her to be placed into an area of leadership. Her life obviously is not a life that any one would like to imitate. I would not submit myself to that kind of leadership. That is a shame to the church.
---john on 10/28/08|
I wish I were Christian enough not to ask "What demomination?"
---chuck on 5/1/07|
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Why did she divorce? Unless she was cheated on, her divorce is a sin.
---John_boy on 3/29/06|
To Rebecca D., You must not believe PAUL when he said women were not to have authority over the man and he also said for the woman to keep silent in the church. Do you use those scripture that please you and disregard the others. If PAUL were wrong here,how much more scripture do you think is wrong? How much of the N.T. do you think PAUL's writtings make up? If everyone took out what didn't appeal to them there would't be anything left.
---Thomas on 3/29/06|
Kerry ... my ex-Bishop (now a bishop elsewhere) is unmarried. If 1 Tim 3 is to be taken word-by-word literally, it means that he cannot be a bishop, nor can a widower, for neither have a wife.
Now Paul himself was unmarried, so by his own words would not not qualified to be a pastor. So what did he mean, I believe it was that the pastor, bishop etc should be a person with no more than one spouse.
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/06|
Fran I think the verse you are trying to quote is 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.' John 8:7. I agree that we are quick to condemn and we don't show enough love, however it is also true that we are not to condone and ignore sin. Sometimes it is right to point it out and encourage a person to get their life back on the right track. That should be done WITH the person not behind their back.
---M.P. on 3/29/06|
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If women are teaching men that should be pastors, then GOD will hold men accountable. For not being the head.
---shel on 3/29/06|
Didn't Jesus say to the crowd who were going to stone the woman, check out your own planks before breaking down other peoples? Didn't he say that?? Didn't he also speak an awful lot about love? Just a thought?
---Fran on 3/29/06|
Women are not authorized to be bishops (read I Tim. 3). A bishop must the the husband of one wife, and homosexuality is condemned. So therefore, women cannot be bishops.
---Kerry on 11/5/05|
It seems to me that this woman needs to get saved!
---Sally on 10/26/05|
If we base our religion on good feelings, showmanship, even out-of-body experiences then we don't need the Bible. IF, however, we hold the Bible as Holy Word of God, then we take IT to a higher level than emotions or logic. Mixing the two dilutes both. So, either believe in a modern organization, your own feelings, or look to the Book. Why continue to prove scripture to Christians? I have to look it up sometimes. It is there. There are tools to help; concordences, references, etc.
---mike_fl on 10/19/05|
However, it's silly for us to even argue our points, I suppose, being it has no affect on the situation. But it is still good for us all to sharpen, teach and encourage one another in the truth of the gospel. On a different note, I understand what you are saying in regards to putting God in a box. He can and does work through all types of situations, good and bad. Be blessed!
---Katie on 10/18/05|
If you look at the fruit of her actions, they are hardly glorifying the Lord, and do not set a godly example to those she is in leadership over. Therefore, it would behoove her to step down from leadership, and allow God to right her wrongs. I am not saying she hasn't repented, I pray she has. I'm saying the bible says to be above reproach in that the masses are not deceived. tbc...
---Katie on 10/18/05|
Rebecca, I think we need to throw out the issue of can women preach or not for a second, and see what else is going on here. That is an important issue, yes, but we have to look harder at this scenario than just the woman bishop part. If I read it correctly, the woman has been married and divorced three times, and had a baby out of wedlock, yet she not only remains in leadership, but is rewarded with a bigger title/responsibility. tbc...
---Katie on 10/18/05|
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WOW is right! I'm learning little by little about scripture......but on this topic noones quoted it yet.
---jackie on 10/18/05|
show scriptures of what? That he is God Almighty? If so then read the word. Katie: Man is putting a limit on what God can do and whom God can use. To many finger pointing going around saying, you can't do this or can't be this, but we serve God Almighty. That doesn't make sense. If God can part the Red Sea, he can call me to preach.
---Rebecca_D on 10/18/05|
The bible has plenty of answers for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Read I Timothy. We are not condemning the woman, but the sin. One has to look at the fruit. While we are all sinners saved by grace, it takes a special calling to lead others. Leaders are to be above reproach, and lead others to the truth not just by their words, but by their actions.
---Katie on 10/18/05|
Rebecca, while I commend your compassion for the underdog, I believe it is misplaced. We are not passing judgement on her, we are simply answering a question according to what the bible says. Yes, God does take what is meant for evil and turn it to good, but in this scenario God did not appoint her bishop, man did. to be cont.
---Katie on 10/18/05|
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I have said it so many times.
Does anyone realize that God guides us by His Written Word?
Do we realize that God has bound Himself by the Written Word? When He issues a command He does not go outside of the command to accomplish His purpose.
---Elder on 10/18/05|
Did you all miss the part about her having a baby while she was senior pastor? Sounds to me like this is a small church with a bunch of people who are playing church.
---Sally on 10/18/05|
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.So, whatever the said bishop has done is between her and God, I am sure she must've sorted it out with God, but certainly, she is a BAD ROLE MODEL especially to women.
---Lily9364 on 10/18/05|
My theory is God Almighty can do anything he choses to do. He can call anyone to do his work and spread his word. He even uses sinners to do his work, they don't know it but he does. Yes the woman maybe the weaker vessel, but there are alot of yellow streaked men out here whom won't stand up for God, so God calls some women to spread the word like it is. I don't mean to offend anyone but we are talking about God, and what he can do. Some of you put a limit on what God can do. He is the Almighty.
Moderator - Please show the scriptures.
---Rebecca_D on 10/17/05|
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First off women are not suppose to be bishops or Pastors according to the bible. Not our opinions. 2nd her personal life is none of our business, maybe she has personal reasons for not reasoning with any of the fathers,that is between her& God. , but the church is out of order maknig her a bishop in the 1rst place.
---Candice on 10/17/05|
Chuck, it sounds like "Icabod Home Self-Ministries."
First things first. She shouldn't have been there to start with. God gives leaders after the heart of the people.
---Elder on 10/17/05|
This sounds like a sour grapes post. It is doubtful that we are getting all of the true fact about this alleged incident. This would be an internal denominational matter anyway; if the Bishop had violated the polity of her denomination the appointment would not have been made. If something had actually occurred the secular news media would be playing it up all over the national media and we would all know about it.
I recommend that we not waste further time with this question.
---Phil_the_Elder on 10/17/05|
No it isn't wrong. That is what is wrong with ALOT of people. To hung up on what someone has done or hasn't done. What is wrong is for you or anyone else to judge her because of her lifesyle. Until you have walked in her shoes, you have no right saying what is wrong and what isn't wrong. My question is "Does it matter?"
Moderator - What matters is what the scriptures say. What scriptures are you using to back up the theory of a woman bishop?
---Rebecca_D on 10/17/05|
So your question really is: "Shouldn't a person be perfect in order to serve God?" I hope not...there is no perfect human on earth and the Bible instructs us not to judge one another, that is God's job.
---Nan on 10/17/05|