Job 40:17 'His tail sways like a cedar..' Does a hippos. tail 'sway' like this? The cedar is a large tree more like the massive tail of a dinosaur, than any other creature.
If it was an hippo., why didn't the writer use the word for hippo., which existed?
The description of Leviathan in Job 41 does not fit with a crocodile. This is described as a creature so powerful that hooks and spears are useless against him, but native people sucessfully hunt crocodiles with simple weapons.
'Iron he treats like straw.' Not a crocodile. 'His undersides are jagged potsherds.' A croc's underside is smooth.
I am confident God was describing a very large dinosaur in Job 40. And a massive sea-going reptile in Job 41. |
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---Warwick on 7/10/09 |
The creation of the animals is mentioned in Genesis 1:20-23. In Job 40:20-24, many believe this is the Hippopotamus, and they believe that it is the Crocodile in Job 41. Some people find these descriptions more consistent with various types of Dinosaurs. Psalm 104:26, may refer to a whale, or some sort of sea monster. |
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---Glenn on 7/8/09 |
jerry6593: "...I'll give you two to chew on: Evolution and Global Warming."
Please don't encourage her, or anyone for that matter, to chase conspiracies. Even though I know of conspiracies that will curl your hair which have never been publicized before, I don't reveal them because I have been shown by the Holy Spirit that conspiracies only take a person off the road to the Kingdom of God. A person who spreads lies, rumors and conspiracies spends too much time chasing after the activities of man and not enough time seeking God's face.
do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" to do what is needed daily because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle. |
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---Steveng on 7/7/09 |
hi, frances i think you are on the mark with what you say, i have not done the research into this but, i understand fully about the illuminati and the fact that the world today is their oyster after the several hundred if not more years of planning and slowly taking control of all social structure control networks.
I would love if we could exchange a few emails over these theories!
Cheers! |
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---Sam on 7/7/09 |
Frances: Give the conspiracy theories a rest. I warned you before that they'll send you either to prison or the nut house. If you want to chase some REAL conspiracy theories, some outright hoaxes that are perpetuated by government edict for political reasons, I'll give you two to chew on: Evolution and Global Warming. If you need more, there's always the ozone hole and the coming asteroid. Hint: What do these all have in common? |
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---jerry6593 on 3/22/08 |
Warwick, you seem to have one eye on the pot and the other up the chimney. You are getting into knots, going with the Bible for one purpose and dropping the Bible for another. Darwin was a freemason who believed in natural selection, and Owen invented dinosaurs. They were not friends. Owen did not believe in Darwin's science. They were rivals for the world's attention. Why would you not believe Darwin, yet believe the prankster Owen over the Bible? I do not believe in either of their theories. |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
Warwick, dinosaurs were invented. I use the word deliberately. In the sense that God made pranksters and hoaxsters and the people involved in mass psychological warfare, then you could say God invented dinosaurs about two hundred years ago. Before then no traditions reported monsters. The only common thing all cultures have is dragons. They, like dinosaurs, are mythical creatures. |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
Warwick, I don't mind, of course, whatever you think of me. But please keep an open mind. I believed in dinosaurs for many decades, just because everyone else did. Those days are over. Now I check everything out. |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
I have collected quite a long list of reasons for suspicion. How about bones that were not turned to oil, what would they be doing on or near the surface of the earth, and so old yet not decayed. Nothing makes any logical sense. Richard Owen drew whole dinosaurs from tiny fragments before any skeletons were discovered. Rather suspicious. The skeletons later confirmed his pictures. |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
Warwick, I am just an ignorant housewife, but I once was in training in a profession with a Cambridge University female who despised me. She argued with me about a small point. I realized straight away how ignorant and arrogant the people who go to elite universities are. The same goes for these 'scientists'. The bones could be from a whale or any animal. Have you noticed how ill-fitting the skeletons are. How 'ugly'. It is the best man can do. |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
Warwick, recently I have dipped into this question. I looked only at sites that confirmed the official story of dinosaurs and from THEM I found out information that puts a strong question mark over all the discoveries. It reminds me of the 911 stories. The miraculous fires, and the missing passports turning up on the top of the debris. Sure the fires were there (but not made by planes) and the passport was there (put there by someone.) |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
Richard Owen, by no means am I saying he was insane, but his character was extremely dishonest and deceitful by ALL accounts I found. He was above all AMBITIOUS and he stooped to stealing other peoples bones and further black ops to become the number one man in dinosaur hunting. |
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---frances008 on 3/18/08 |
Frances I think you are getting confused. Sir Richard Owen coined the name 'dinosaur' in 1842 to give a name to the very real fossils which were being unearthed.
They existed, they are not part of some murky conspiracy. Dinosaur bone (T-Rex) has been found with blood cells still within. That's right actual bone, not permineralized. Must be recent!
Frozen dinosaur flesh has been found so it is nonsensical to say they were invented.
They are just part of God's creation, now extinct. |
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---Warwick on 3/18/08 |
Frances dinosaurs weren't 'invented' by anyone. The name was coined in the 1840's meaning terrible lizards, to describe fossils of such creatures which were being unearthed.
They are described in the Bible, 'Behemoth' not describing any current creature.
Ancient,and not so ancient literature abounds with eye-witness descriptions of creatures often called dragons, which we would call dinosaurs.
The temple of Ankor Watt has a stone carving of what can only be a stegosaur. |
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---Warwick on 3/18/08 |
The illuminati leave clues everywhere for the benefit of the real Jew and Christian. There was a recent exhibition on The man who INVENTED dinosaurs. If you read about him he was known for his dishonesty and scientists had only bad words to say about him, and he disagreed with Darwin's theory of natural selection. So the kids are fighting among themselves indeed. |
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---frances008 on 3/17/08 |
Frances I see nothing in Job 40 as regards Leviathan to suggest it is anything other than a serious account of a sea-going monster unlike anything seen today, but could be likened to a Kronosaurus for example. It surely bears absolutely no likeness to a whale. People spear whales with hand-held harpoons but not so Leviathan. |
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---Warwick on 3/17/08 |
The word dinosaurs are not mentioned in the Bible. However, in Job God talks about His creations. But, I do not remember what terms God used in Job. Some of these questions I used to test myself. Hope I am correct. |
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---catherine on 3/17/08 |
giants are mentioned in Gen. 6:4. Men and women are mentioned seperately so these giants are something else(not people or demons) they must be animals. there is also no way to tell the exact age of fossils |
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---tim on 3/15/08 |
Are dinosaurs in the Bible? Hummmmm let me see. All things were made by him and for him. Nothing was made that he did not make. Well actually that sounds pretty inclusive and conclusive. |
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---Mima on 3/15/08 |
Warwick & Kitso: Thanks for the lesson on Leviathan & Behemoth. I've held a similar view for many years. You two are like the adults who finally speak after the children have finished their prattling. |
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---jerry6593 on 3/15/08 |
I would like to know who 'invented' dinosaurs. Obviously our ancestors did not believe in them. They are a later introduction to human history. Mrs Morgan, you can have on opinion, but that does not make it necessarily actual fact. |
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---frances008 on 3/15/08 |
The CretaceousTertiary extinction event-a large-scale mass extinction of animals and plants taking place 65.5 million years ago 'the KT event' is associated with a geological signature- a thin band dated to that time and found in various parts of the world, known as KT boundary. sfter the K-T event no dinosaur fossils are found. I seriously doubt Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. The Bible is about salvation, or geology? |
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---MikeM on 3/14/08 |
Warwick, I am not with you on this one. I think that that is either a real whale but spoken of metaphorically, or a metaphorical monster, like the way God sent him spiritually, so that he would experience it, but not actually in physical terms. I see it as more like Revelations where the armies of scorpians refer to something else. It is a prophetic book, no? |
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---frances008 on 3/12/08 |
What I want to know is why the bible wouldn't mention something as profound as "giant beasts (lizards) roamed the earth for millennia before man was created. |
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---Nick on 3/12/08 |
Dear moderator you are wrong on this one.
The whole of chapter 41 of the book of Job is given over to describing the terrifying beast Leviathan whose description bears absolutely no likeness to a whale.
Just as one example his back is described as having 'rows of shields tightly sealed together.' Whales with scales!!!
Whales were once speared from rowboats by hand thrown harpoons while Job says no spear or javelin or hook can touch him.
A different critter altogether. |
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---Warwick on 7/31/07 |
Behemoth is a Hebrew plural, meaning "beast of beasts". It also had a tail like a cedar tree. This is no water ox, elephant or hippo. But it fits a sauropod perfectly.
Leviathan was likely an extinct giant armoured croc called Sarcosuchus.
Dinos are now known to have undergone growth spurts, so it would have been no problem for God to gather specimens a year before the spurt. |
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---Ktisophilos on 7/31/07 |
leviathan in Job was a large sea creature described as having scales, so it was apparently reptilian, a plesiosaur fits the bill. the behemoth in Job had a tail like a cedar tree. large mammals have skinny tails. only a sauropod dinosaur fits the description. the unicorn is product of a bad translation. the Hebrew word is for a very large wild ox called an aurochs. so, yes. there are dinosaurs in the Bible. Job was written after the Flood. Job was from the land of Uz. Uz was one of Shem's grandchildren. |
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---chris on 7/31/07 |
I have heard some say the term Leviathan in the Old Testament referred to dinosaurs but was not sure how scientific that was. Any thoughts out there? This is a question my kids have come up with, also.
Moderator - Leviathan is a whale not a dinosaur. |
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---Annie on 7/30/07 |
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[FACT] The word "Dinosaur" was invented in the 1800's. Evolutionist believe that the word "Dragon" was used hundreds or thousands of years into the past.
[FACT] Many old literature books found around the world tell about humans encountering dragons. A huge majority of these books have been found in Asia! The description of the "dragon" in these books most certainly fit's the description of a "dinosaur". |
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---DePuTy on 3/6/07 |
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In the book of JOB chapter 41 "The Leviathan" we can clearly see the description of a 'Dragon'.
The old literatures in Asia and around the world that describe dinosaurs are completely un-related to the Bible yet describe the same creature! Evolutionist will discard this FACT because it contradicts their theory of Evolution!
Yes! The Bible does mention the Huge beasts! |
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---DePuTy on 3/6/07 |
Some think that dinosaur bones are some kind of conspiracy? Dinosaurs once existed, at what time did they exist? That will turn into a useless debate, pointless, it has nothing to do with salvation. |
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---Mrs._Morgan on 3/6/07 |
Moderator - Please show the scripture.
Yes they are mentioned. See Gen 51 and Lev 28. |
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---Caring on 3/6/07 |
Yes, dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible.
Moderator - Please show the scripture. |
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---Tessa on 3/6/07 |
No, Scripture states that Adam & Eve were the LAST of God's creation, so all the animals were made first, but there were no civilizations before they were created- no other people. |
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---Ann5758 on 12/18/05 |
'Adam and Eve were aparently not the first of God's creation.' You are correct Davon, God 'created' the animals before Adam and Eve (one day before). However if by the word 'civilization' you mean other people then you have found that information somewhere other than the bible or someone else has simply told you this. Read Genesis to see the order in which God created everything. |
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---M.P. on 12/18/05 |
The bible doesn't specifically speak of dinosaurs, but it does refer to a period before Adam and Eve where there were civilazation and animals that were here on this earth before Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were aparently not the first of God's creation. |
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---Davon4499 on 12/17/05 |
Thanks you guys and girls for your answers and to those who sent me info to my a/c. |
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---judit4846 on 11/1/05 |
The closest real thing in the Bible to the fabricated dinosaur would be Leviathan (lava beast), which is a fire-breathing water beast, similar to a dragon. Please read Job 41. The only other general reference is that God created every living creature in Genesis 1:20-25. |
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---Eloy on 10/31/05 |
I believe that leviathan and behemoth could have been dinosaurs of one type or another. Leviathan was a huge sea creature but wern't some dinosaurs sea creatures? If you are looking for the actual word 'dinosaur' in the bible you will not find it any more than you will find the word 'trinity'. |
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---M.A. on 10/31/05 |
Jim, the only answer is that the words used to describe animals below are construed by some to refer to dinos but there is no direct and specific reference.
For a reasonable, and non-bible contradicting view of when the dinos lived research the "gap theory". |
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---Bruce5656 on 10/31/05 |
I don't believe anybody has yet answered judit4846's original question: Are dinosauers mentioned in the Bible? |
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---Jim on 10/31/05 |
Moderator, what is your source saying that unicorns were gazelles? I cant seem to find in on the Internet anywhere. Were the translators of the KJV mistaken when they used the term unicorn instead of gazelles. My dictionary shows that the word gazelles was in existence when the bible was translated by them and they being learned men I dont think they would have mistaken the two. I am just curious as I lived in North Africa for a number of years and never heard that.
Moderator - Various dictionaries and bible dictionaries. As you know, words usually have various meanings. |
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---randy on 10/25/05 |
Laure I agree with you. The bible as we have it is not presented to us in the order that it was written. It is possible to buy a chronological bible. I found plenty by using a search engine. Moderator, I think you are wrong here but I'm going to check it out later. |
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---M.P. on 10/24/05 |
Historicaly the book of Job is pre-flood. the bible as we have it laid out is not in historical order. many books of the Bible take place at the same time.
Moderator - How? It was written after Noah's time? |
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---Laure5469 on 10/23/05 |
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Moderator, why would dinosaurs have had to be pre-flood? Don't you think that there is a possibility that small ones (old enough to survive without parents) could have been on the ark?
Moderator - I don't. The pre-flood world formed a greenhouse type of effect on the earth allowing all life to live longer IE Adam's long life. Reptiles grew every year until death, therefore if a reptile had 800 years to grow they could become big. After the flood, the span of life shortened. The reptiles today don't look like the dinosaurs outside of a crocodile which may be pre-flood. Look at the fossils records and the dinosaurs were destroyed by some event which I believe to be the flood while others could even say pre-Adam. Never any records in any history of any civilization of dinosaurs after the flood. |
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---M.P. on 10/23/05 |
moderator what animal has the tail of cedar size? only a dino read Job 40:17 again
Moderator - Use the dictionary for the answer. If dinosaurs lived, it would have to be pre-flood. |
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---Laure5469 on 10/21/05 |
I thought a Leviathon was a snake, no where close to a dino! I do believe there were dinasaurs that roamed the earth, too much scientific evidence not to think so.
But its 2005, does it really matter? We'll know all when we get to heaven, it will be of little consequence. |
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---NVBarbara on 10/21/05 |
An excellent source to answer this question is a video or CD set on creation from Kent Hovine. He is a wonderful speaker. |
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---Melissa on 10/21/05 |
I think it is odd that unicorn appears in Psalms.
Moderator - It is a type of gazelle in Northern Africa. Not the mythical unicorn. |
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---randy on 10/21/05 |
Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: now moderator please dont say that it's an hippoptamus
keith3383
Moderator - It is a water ox. Just use the dictionary for the words you are placing out here. |
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---keith on 10/21/05 |
Leviathan A transliterated Hebrew word (livyathan), meaning twisted, coiled.
keith3383 KJV Version |
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---keith on 10/21/05 |
also check out the word leviathan again in job chapter 41
keith3383 |
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---keith on 10/21/05 |
It is believed, by some, that dinosaurs are mentioned under different names. The term "dinosaurs" is rather recent. Some believe them to be the dragons of the past... (in the orient the dragon is just the snake) One Scripture where this would be found as the case is Psalm 44:19. Isaiah also talks about them.
Personally, most of the "dinos" would have died out in the flood, which Archeaology tends to support. |
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---David7647 on 10/21/05 |
It can be possibly be inferred by selective uses of the terms: serpent, dragon, creature, sea monster when the when the Hebrew root terms are: tan, Hebrew 8565, Strongs or tanniyn, Hebrew 8577, Strongs and the usage is not metaphorical. I am using Word Search to get list where those Strong's numbers are used. Only a few in the list are even close. |
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---Phil_the_Elder on 10/20/05 |
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