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Can The Devil Counterfeit Tongues

I know that the devil can counterfeit the things of God but would he counterfeit the gift of tongues? If so, do you think God would remove that 'gift' when a person repents?

Moderator - Anything that is real can be counterfeited by default, therefore it is important as Christians to have discernment.

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Axey: The "gift of foreign langusges" is more appropriate. Haven't you heard the stories of the foreign missionaries going to new lands and immediately being able to speak the language? This is the true meaning of "tongues" - it is a gift that enables the spreading of the gospel - not bizarre entertainment in church.
---jerry6593 on 8/26/10


I believe the following to be correct. I believe this is what happened on the day of Pentecost.

"The Bible is our ONLY guide to discernment of the true from the counterfeit. The Bible NEVER mentions anyone speaking in an unknown tongue. The speakers of the Bible always spoke in their own languages, but the linguistically diverse members of the crowd HEARD in their own language." by Jerry.
---mima on 8/26/10


//aka on 8/22/10 satan loves tongues //

Aka, absolutely right,
tongues cause confusion, "God is not the author of confusion" so satan must be.


---michael_e on 8/24/10


satan loves tongues.

Pro 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth [good or bad], and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled [good or bad].
Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof [good or bad].

"oh, oh Alabam,
the devil plays with the best laid plan."
--Neil Young
---aka on 8/22/10


jerry6593:

Regardless of how you choose to translate the phrase "unknown tongue", your statement used exactly the same phrase as used in 1 Corinthians 14:2, and directly contradicts it.

As far as "the gift of tongues" ACTUALLY meaning "the gift of ears", the ONLY place where that is even implied is when the apostles preach to the crowd in Acts. That phenomenon is never mentioned again anywhere else (and also 1 Corinthians 14:2 implies the exact opposite). Also, "the gift of ears" is never mentioned. So why not just take the Bible at its word, and actually think of "the gift of tongues" as ACTUALLY bein "the gift of tongues"?
---StrongAxe on 8/22/10




Cluny: "So you're saying the gift of tongues was in fact the gift of ears."

Exactly! This is the very concept that the Bible conveys.

Axey: Translate "unknown tongue" as "foreign language."
---jerry6593 on 8/21/10


jerry6593:

You said:
The Bible is our ONLY guide to discernment of the true from the counterfeit. The Bible NEVER mentions anyone speaking in an unknown tongue. The speakers of the Bible always spoke in their own languages, but the linguistically diverse members of the crowd HEARD in their own language.

The Bible says otherwise: 1 Corinthians 14:2
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him, howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."
---StrongAxe on 8/20/10


\\The Bible is our ONLY guide to discernment of the true from the counterfeit. The Bible NEVER mentions anyone speaking in an unknown tongue. The speakers of the Bible always spoke in their own languages, but the linguistically diverse members of the crowd HEARD in their own language. \\

So you're saying the gift of tongues was in fact the gift of ears.
---Cluny on 8/20/10


Lawrence I think it a bit of a reach to say Satan can counterfeit everything God does.

God is Creator and I see no evidence Satan can speak/think a universe and everything into it, into being.

God is also Redeemer and likewise I see no evidence Satan can save himself, let alone anyone else.

Satan is akin to the magicians present at the confrontation between God, via Moses and Pharoah. They could conjure up some things but their efforts were puny when compared to the unlimited power of God as evidenced in the destruction God brought upon the nation of Egypt.
---Warwick on 8/18/10


The devil can counterfeit everything God does.
Lawrence


Well said my namesake, well said.
---larry on 8/16/10




The devil can counterfeit everything God does.

The Church of The Living God still today Is Acts 2 v'37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 10. You get into His Church His way. 2 men in Church, if one man was german & spoke the german laguage, & the other man was from spaine & he spoke spanish, The Holy Ghost moved on them to speak, that german man spoke spanish & the man from spain spoke german. ( Get this clear, as long as these 2 men didn't know any other languages by themselves. ) That's the way it Is.

The apostate trin churches from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 have listened to the devil to long, but, it's your choice.
---Lawrence on 8/15/10


The Bible is our ONLY guide to discernment of the true from the counterfeit. The Bible NEVER mentions anyone speaking in an unknown tongue. The speakers of the Bible always spoke in their own languages, but the linguistically diverse members of the crowd HEARD in their own language.

Act 2:7,8 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

The only record of incomprehensible babble in the Bible was at the Tower of Babel.
---jerry6593 on 8/15/10


Once upon a time, someone stood up in a Pentecostal church and said, "patir imon o en tois ouranois, agiasthito to onoma sou yennithito o thelimas sou os en ourano kai epitis i yis."

Someone who claimed the gift of interpretation began the usual, "My children, I am with you to bless you" rap.

First speaker said, "That was the Lord's Prayer in Greek. Didn't the Holy Spirit recgonize it?"
---Cluny on 8/14/10


"Why are these instructions not followed by Churches who claim to speak in tongues." (Rob)

And there lies the difference between Holy Scriptures and modern day Pentecostals/Charismatics. As one who grew in a Pentecostal house, and attended tons of Pentecostal churches, I can tell you that 1 Corinthians 14:26-28 is no longer applicable in most, if not all, churches. I also have asked many others who have attended Pentecostal services, and they too had informed me that 1 Cor 14:26-28 was not followed. I also wonder if 1 Corinthians 13-14 is read in Pentecostals churches.

Wild Babbling, voodoo dancing, unconsciousness, and Unholy Laughter that are so frequent in these churches are not from God.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 8/14/10


Mima, I would like to ask why on 8/10.10 you did not share what is written in 1 Corinthians 14:26-28? Why are these instructions not followed by Churches who claim to speak in tongues.

What about what is written in 1 Corinthians Chapter 12?
---Rob on 8/11/10


It has always amazed me why so many Pentecostal/Charasmatics, along with others claim they speak in tongues because they are filled with The Holy Spirit.

Yet they display the exact same virtues and characteristics of those who are possessed by Demons of Satan, Mark 9:16-26.
---Rob on 8/11/10


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and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?) Question you saying that Pentecostal people speaking in tongues are mad???
---mima on 8/10/10

God is an odery God. I have been to pentecostal churches. What i have experiened on more thanone occasion is this: Just about every pentecostal gets up and starts babbling at the same time. neither they, nor any visitor canunderstands one word being spoken. Is that of God?

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
---francis on 8/11/10


Cuny, please forgive me but what are you babbling about? Tongues is a spiritual gift handed down by God. He gives them to some of His people for His glorification. God passes out these gifts, these spiritual gifts as He sees fit to whomever He sees fit to give them. They are real. And so is God>>>real.
---catherine on 8/11/10


\\But, if you are truly saved and you have this gift then, of course, the answer is no. \\

Not all saved people have the gift of tongues.

And since you are clearly deluded by a religious spirit, this means that tongues can be counterfeited.

\\I believe for Satan to counterfeit the gift of tongues with a true man or woman of God, impossible.\\

So it follows that you have the counterfeit.

And I've seen in Pentecostal Churches with my own eyes people being taught how to speak in tongues.

Therefore, tongues is more likely a technique.
---Cluny on 8/10/10


I am not sure if I understand your question, my friend. A true Christian can not fake it. Hallelujah, thank You Jesus. While there are some among me worshiping and obeying Satan, I am here worshiping and obeying the LIVING GOD. Some are plotting mischief against me. Little do they know my God has His plans. "Wait and see what I do", He says. Ahhhhhhh.
---catherine on 8/10/10


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franics does the verse you quoted from the Bible apply to you?

"1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?"

(and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?) Question you saying that Pentecostal people speaking in tongues are mad???
---mima on 8/10/10


The thing about speaking with tongues, is that when the Apostles did it- they actually spoke the Gospel in "a variety of languages" to the lost so they heard the message in their own language. Not gibberish or imagined-speaking.

Actes 2:6 explains perfectly.
---Kev on 8/9/10


The answer is yes, if you are a Christian in name only. But, if you are truly saved and you have this gift then, of course, the answer is no. I believe for Satan to counterfeit the gift of tongues with a true man or woman of God, impossible. [the anointing must be there] Gifts, spiritual gifts, are operated only under the influence of the person of the living God. [the holy spirit].
---catherine on 6/30/10


Have you ever been to a penticostal church?
That is absolute conterfiet tongues, call it strait babel or confusion.
But it surely is not of God.

1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
---francis on 6/30/10


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i have some confusion regarding speaking in tongues. Actually my doubt is "will demon speak in tongue?" How can we recognise the true speaking in tongue? how can we differentiate true speakin in tongue and demon's spirit.
---allwin on 6/29/10


I have seen a woman get saved and then baptized in the holy spirit. she began uttering words that I recognized as a chant that hindus do while focusing on an indian mandala. she apparently had a misunderstanding of who the real jesus was and received a different spirit calling itself jesus. satan gave her a false tongue. the spirit was cast out and she received the real jesus. this time her tongues were inspired and not ecstatic like the first one was. we should be careful speaking in tongues when we are on an emotional high which is often mistaken for the holy spirit. it may not be demonic but it may be gibberish. true tongues are inspired. that's not to say you don't feel something when you speak out in faith.
---Grady on 4/15/10


Re speaking in tongues: John the Babtist (Matt 3:11) said one coming after him(Jesus) baptizing in Holy Ghost and fire fulfilled on day of Pentecost.Scripture says - Jesus Christ, same today, yesterday and forever (Heb 13:8) thus it is still vaid (and happening today) Happened soverignly Acts 2:3-4 and through laying on of hands Acts 19:1-6
---Mike on 11/12/09


Daniel Marsh, great answer. I would hope that people read all of what you said slowly. Though this blog is old, I am sure many are reading anyway. blessings
---MarkV. on 10/24/09


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bible describes tongues as speaking in one's OWN language those who DO NOT speak that language HEAR you in their language ...there is no "interpretation" needed as described in Acts

God created language to separate people in Babylon

someone babbling unknown words like baby gibberish no language present known to mankind they are NOT speaking in tongues ...it is unbiblical ...counterfeit would be from the god of this world - Satan

sadly many want 15 minutes of "christian" fame seeing attention given to those who put on this show they deceive themselves and mimic the performance ...insisting they felt Gods presence ignorant to Gods Truth about tongues choosing deception to FOLLOW false ministers instead
---Rhonda on 10/24/09


One need only look at the mystery religions of the NT period to know that speaking in tongues was already conterfeited even before the NT church spoke in tongues.

Jesus himself, referred to this when he told us not to "babble like the pagans".

Strange enough when I look at the cults, Satan can counterfeit even something that is not genuine -- see the second century gnostics for example. They have no parallel among the genuine things of God or of reality as far as that goes.

God Bless
Daniel
---Daniel_Marsh on 10/23/09


Herb: Jesus has given us the authority to cast out demons and yes to raise the dead. Jesus said in John 14:12 Verily, verily I say unto you he that believeth on me the works that I do, shall he do also and greater works than these shall he do because I go unto my Father. This verse means just what it says. We can do all things in Christ Jesus. Speaking in tongues has not ceased. How can you say that healing has ceased? I take it you don't believe in God working through people to heal the sick?
---Rebecca_D on 5/23/08


Why do some say that in order to be a real Christian, one has to speak in tongues?
I Corinthians 12 makes it clear that those who are filled with the spirit do not all have the gift of tongues
Why is there so much emphasis on tongues?
---alan_of_UK on 5/22/08


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if you're a christian with Christ in your heart, satan can not control you. and since tounges is a self edificial state of mind, it's your sin nature rising up and you're just fooling yourself. which is what satan loves to exploit more, your weaknesses. be concerned about glorifying God and less with this gift or that rule. read your bible more and pray in your own tounge. let the Holy Spirit strengthen your mind that you won't need to worry about what satan does. i use the word 'you' in a general sense.
---chaz on 5/22/08


Please, in (1 Cor. 13:8) show me where it says "when" tongues will cease. Because I just do not see that scripture saying "when" they will cease. Please show me! Thanks
---SCW on 5/21/08


Please, give scripture reference that says once the Apostles died tongues ceased to be. Other than (1 Cor. 13:8) Thanks
---SCW on 5/21/08


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And, the devil doesn't know or understand what is being prayed when one is speaking in an {Unknown tongue}...
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and where in Gods Word does it say someone will speak gibberish so they can pray outloud to God so the "devil" doesn't know but God does?

Christ said there would be MANY who came in his name ...speaking gibberish and calling it tongues is antichrist
---Rhonda on 5/21/08


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Scripture interprets scripture. People build doctrine on one scripture by itself. Need to have a least 3 scriptures that back up each other up to form a doctrine. People like to pick out one scripture and make a doctrine out of it.
---SCW on 5/21/08


Pastor_Herb: "Some gifts were permanent and others were temporary."

God does not give and take away, including gifts. All Christians have the ability to do greater miracles than Jesus. But because people, inlcuding Christians, lack the love to perform these miracles or are weak in their faith, we rarely see them miracles today. So, when we don't see miracles, we also don't see the gifts. It's a shame that most Christians have the form of Godliness, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 5/21/08


Pastor Herb, You couldn't be more wrong...You need to get yourself either born-again and filled with the Spirit of Truth or at least learn the Word of God...and for starters you need to focus on the following Scriptures...Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6 and Revelation 22:18-19 and 1Corinthians Chapters 12,13...For you are what Jesus so warns us about in the "New Testament"... There is a cure for the Lack of Knowledge aka ignorance...Hosea 4:6 for starters...
---Elisabeth on 5/21/08


To answer the question, I think the devil can counterfeit anything, but sometimes what people think is satan counterfeit the gift of tongues is nothing more than the person themselves faking. Which is spiritually wrong. Jesus said in John 14:26 that God will send a Comforter, the Holy Spirit. That happened in Acts on the day of penticost. The Holy Spirit still works today.
---Tammy on 5/21/08


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In 1Cor. 12 you see the gifts of the Spirit. No where doesn't it say that any of these things are temporary. I have been raised in church, and when I got older and understood I asked God for a filling of His Holy Spirit. I speak in a spiritual language. I also opperate in the gift of discernment. I feel Christians biggest sin, isn't the sins we are most familier with, it is unbelief. Saying what was then in the bible doesn't apply for today. God never changes, what was is what is now.
---Tammy on 5/21/08


Rhonda has the right of it, tongues in the Bible certainly does not refer to speaking gibberish. The gift of tongues was given so unlearned men (disciples) could preach the gospel to people who spoke different languages. But I believe all of the gifts of the Spirit are available today, including tongues. Just not gibberish.
---Todd on 5/20/08


Speaking in an unknown language or{tongue} is a gift of the "Holy Spirit"...Speaking in tongues is talking directly and only to God...
Speaking in tongues is speaking by the Power of the "Holy Spirit"...This is a spiritual gift from the "Holy Spirit".It is a desirable gift even though it is not a requirement of faith.And, the devil doesn't know or understand what is being prayed when one is speaking in an {Unknown tongue}...
---Elisabeth on 5/20/08


Some gifts were permanent and others were temporary. Tongues were one of the temporary gifts like healing and raising the dead. When you see examples of healing in the Bible, they were totally healed. I know a woman today who claims she was blind but was healed. She wears Coke bottle bottom glasses. If Jesus did it she would not have needed glasses. Tongues ceased after the apostles died and the bible was written. 1Cor 13:8-10 This is not talking about when Jesus comes back.
---Pastor_Herb on 5/20/08


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Rhonda, how does your statement,"...tongues a gift at pentecost not today ...a one time event on the day The Holy Spirit was given at pentecost " agree with Acts 19:6," And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them, and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." I believe these disciples spoke in tongues well after the date of pentecost. What say ye?
---Mima on 5/20/08


...tongues a gift at pentecost not today ...a one time event on the day The Holy Spirit was given at pentecost - when someone spoke in their native tongue everyone around them who spoke in another tongue (language) heard them as if they were speaking in their language

tongues SIMPLY means language ...speaking gibberish (no known language on earth) as a show and then someone "understands" their gibber - just a hoax
---Rhonda on 5/19/08


Absolutely! I have heard more demons speaking in tongues than the real thing! They can also prophesy and you will see their prophesys come to pass! So you really can't judge by that. BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM! All listed in Galatians! Not by prophesy or tongues or any other gifts.
---PAT on 5/17/08


A counterfeit is not the real thing. When demons counterfeit heavenly tongues, they don't really speak in the language of the Spirit, it's usually demonic encantations instead or just babble. However, they may counterfeit specific tongues of men (other languages). About God taking the gift, there's no gift here. When people speak in demonic tongues, they don't have control over their lips (which is often not the case with real tongues). Once the demon is gone, so is the ability.
---Okebaram on 10/31/06


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RW....the devil does have counterfeit tongues, but tongues is a legitimate gift.

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
---sam on 10/31/06


tongues---it's truely A spirit, not THE Spirit. we're not to open our selves to these spirits.
---r.w. on 6/5/06


Speaking in tongues is not practiced "only" by Christians. Tibetan monks speak in tongues as does Peyote and Haida Indians,Eskimos, Shangos of Trinidad,Haitian Voodoos,Sharmans of Greenland etc..etc...ad infinitum! (Glossolalia today)
---1st_cliff on 11/20/05


Consider this:We all know Rom.8:28..but read 8:26 & 27 also.When a Christian doesn't know what to pray for a certain person,he can pray in "tongues"(once given to him or her)&the Holy Spirit in him knows the perfect will of God,thus prays perfectly..& won't pray amiss for the person."Tongues"is a tool,a blessing.
---lovable_linda on 11/19/05


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I only know from experience that someone who used to hang out at this transitional housing place where we used to go and minister claimed they were speaking in "devil tongues". They did it and then said," you know what I just said?" I paused and looked at him. He then said, "I said when are you going to cast these things out of me?" I said, "Right now. Are you ready?" I wasn't scared at all as the Lord gave me His boldness to counter the forces of evil.
---Patti on 11/5/05


I have never heard any one speak in tongues who didn't confess Jesus. I don't see tongue speaking in the Scriptures by any one other than Christians. To think that people who speak in tongues are using the devil would be the same as thinking that someone was casting out demons by the devil too.We know that Jesus said that that was impossible for the devil to do.
---john on 11/5/05


Rob...Paul talks about speaking in tongues in church and how there must be an interpretation so that everyone can be edifyed. I reccomend you read the book "They spoke in other tongues" by John Sherrill, who used to work for Guidepost and examines speaking in tongues amongst the denominations.
---wes on 11/3/05


Gift(s)of tongues (in the Bible); 1)Spoken in one language, understood in many at the same time. 2)Personal prayer life, when our language is not adequate praising God, He gives heavenly utterance to a person. 3)Edification, vanity use of "2" in presence of others. 4)Prophecy/specific message to church from God, given within church order, one speaks in tongues & another interprets.(NOT using quotes of scripture). Satan is a counterfeiter. Things of God follow scriptural guidelines.
---mike_fl on 11/2/05


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Why would God use Yibberish for a devine message if there is no one to understand? I think God is a whole lot more sutle than that. If you belive in tongues you probably belive in automatic handwriting as well. In that case you might as well get out yawji board as well.

Moderator - Please show the scriptures.
---Rob on 10/31/05


Glad you asked Brother Lupe :)

Satan can not reverse a curse that is divinely given. He can, however, bring about that curse upon people.

At the Tower of Babel man was cursed by God. That curse was that they would have different languages in the Earth.

In Acts 2, the gift of Tongues used there was a reversal of that curse. This can only be from God.

In 1 Corinthians the gift of Tongues used there an enforcement of that curse, not a reversal. This can be counterfeited.
---David7647 on 10/30/05


Brother David, can you explain a little about the curse of God reversed by Satan and the angelic hosts. You say it may be enforce by them. I would be interested to know what the curse is and what can satan enforce, of course within the topic of tongues. I believe it is something I have not heard of before so it is just for my information.
---Lupe2618 on 10/30/05


Bruce,
Outside of Rob's final comment, he is correct in many ways. In Acts 2 they talked and everyone understood them in their native languages. This was considered the "Gift of Tongues." In Corinthians Paul does say that the "Gift of Tongues" used there, where no one understood you, was to edify yourself.
---David7647 on 10/28/05


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The Bible clearly states that not all Christians are given the gift of tongues. So that should tell us that tongues is not needed in order to be saved!
---taylor on 10/26/05


Rob,
You had best go back to the Book and re read Acts and Corinthians before you start making statements like that.
---Bruce5656 on 10/26/05


Darlene, I have heard Mormons speaking in tongues - on a Mormon radio broadcast no less.
---Bruce5656 on 10/26/05


Tongues? come on now. If God has a message for us He would deliver it not disguise it with " tongues" It will be delivers so every one intended will hear. "Those with ears will hear..." Anyone who say they talk in tongues are full of BALONY and trying to get attenion onto themselves
---Rob on 10/26/05


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My Cousin-in-law is Mormom, and she also said,as did Moderator, Mormons believe in tongues, but they don't speak in them .It's evident it isn't part of their practiced doctrine.United Pentecosts are the only Pentecostals I have ever heard of who believe you have to speak in tongues to be saved.That isn't a regular Pentecostal Doctrine.
---Darlene_1 on 10/24/05


There are two forms of the "Gift of Tongues." The one used by the Apostles on the day of Pentacost and that used in the Greek churches. The first, used by the Apostles and the Samarians, was a reversal of the curse dating back to the Tower of Babel. The second gift was an enforced version of the curse from the Tower of Babel. To date, one has yet to see the curse of God reversed by Satan or any of the angelic host. It may be enforced by them, but they can not go against His Word.
---David7647 on 10/24/05


Mormons speak in "tongues" as do people in charasmatic circles that do not have a sound understand of what salvation is. According to their religion, they earn their salvation yet they speak in "tongues". I have seen those began to speak in "tongues" redouble their veneration of persons other than Christ. This obviously is not something the Holy Spirit would lead into.

Moderator - Although Mormons believe in speaking in tongues, I have never known them to speak in tongues. Charismatic circles don't believe speaking in tongues is tied to salvation. That is the United Pentecostal denomination which has that belief.
---Bruce5656 on 10/24/05


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