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Baptised In The Holy Spirit

Do you have to be baptised in the Holy Spirit before you can operate in the gifts of the Spirit? In the book of 1 John it talks of unction and anointing - is this a referal to being born again or baptised in the Spirit or both?

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If you want a worldview, if you want to be filled as a believer with His glory, receive the Baptism of The Holy Spirit.

The Baptism of The Holy Spirit is for the equipping of the saints, He is the most beautiful gift that you will ever receive in your entire life.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


The Father intends that we be blessed going out and blessed coming in. We must have the mind of Christ to draw lost souls into the kingdom.
If you want to put yourself in a position to hear from God, receive His Holy Spirit. This Blessing of God is for everyone.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


False teachers will be shaken out.
Those who embrace false doctrine will be shaken out.
Those who turn aside to fables will be shaken out.

God is going to clean up His house, His Church, and get everything in order before the end of the age.
God has provided for you an opportunity to be in His Church, get into the Ark before the last trump sounds.
Receive the Baptism of The Holy Spirit and start hearing from God when there's no one around but you. Hear from God by His Holy Spirit.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


Yes.

Ephesians 2:12 tells us that without the Holy Spirit we are without God in this world.
The Father and the Son are seated on Their thrones.
Jesus Christ sent The Holy Spirit at Pentecost, God, on earth, God in us.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


Many say they like or love Jesus Christ but resist The Holy Spirit.

It is the Holy Spirit of God, given to us to convey the knowledge of God. Our natural minds are not capable of comprehending the Word of God without The Holy Spirit.

That is why theologians, philosophers without The Holy Spirit, can make it incomprehensible to others.
---Michelle on 2/8/08




The Holy Spirit draws us to Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ baptizes us unto The Holy Spirit and power.
The Holy Spirit baptism, which is apart from water baptism was received by the disciples on the Day of Pentecost.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


Holy Spirit baptism. If you want to hear more clearly from God, receive the Holy Spirit baptism.

God is going to shake heaven and earth. He intends for the Body of Christ to walk securely in Him and to occupy in victory until Christ comes. Receive the baptism of The Holy Spirit for direction, and hearing where you need to be and what you need to do.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


The Holy Spirit baptism. Time is too short.

The unsaved world, having been stripped of wealth, possessions, fame and fortunes - some will finally turn to the Desire of All Nations.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


The unsaved world will not come to Jesus Christ because we are nice, kind, loving, or because they like our personalities.

True wealth lies in our relationship with God.
This is the realm of The Holy Spirit for which the Body of Christ is being prepared.

It's going to require that we walk in all of The Spirit and no flesh.

If you want to maintain God's perspective, you need The Holy Spirit.
This is for every Christian not just those in the ministry.
---Michelle on 2/8/08


Hello sister Dory, You are right in your answer to brother Herb. It isn't a matter of getting the Holy Spirit again and again because we get Him one time. It is allowing the Spirit who is already in us to manifest Himself in our lives more. That is what I meant. Just that. I mentioned yelding to the Spirit because that is what we have to do. We don't need anything outside Himself to make us better Christians, we need to put more in the relationship that we already have.
---Lupe2618 on 2/1/08




4. has all of the gifts (12:28-30). I took a lot of space to explain some things to you. I am sorry that Brother Bruce does not agree with me. I believe a careful study into what "Born again" means, will give us a better idea on the subject. Too many things can effect the way we understand salvation.
---Lupe2618 on 11/11/05


3. to profit the entire local church (12:7-10). 3. Gifts are given sovereignly by the Holy Spirit according to His own wisdom and will (12:11,18). 4. Gifts are well illustrated by a body because all of the different parts of the body each plays an important part in the existence of the body (12:12-21). 5. The less spectacular gifts are often just as important as the more spectacular gifts (12:22-24). 6. Christians ought to use their gifts to care for one another (12:25-27). 7. No one
---Lupe2618 on 11/11/05


2. (Holy Spirit) and jepodizes what "born again" really means. We sacrafice one for the other. What happens at regeneration changes because we would not be yet complete. Salvation would come differently to everyone and would be depented on what man does and not by grace along. Because of the problems in 1 Cor. Paul gave the following principles: 1. Although there are different kinds of gifts, they all come from the Holy Spirit (12:4-6). 2. Gifts are given for the common good
---Lupe2618 on 11/11/05


Dory, I spend a lot of time explaining what was happening because at times we take a verse and use it wrong. That gifts exist today is sure. I have no trouble with believing they are used now. The question is which ones? Every believer is gifted and for use in our Christian lifes. Gifts are given sovereignly by the Holy Spirit according to HIS wisdom and will (12:11,18). But to include another experience in order to get them is saying that at conversion you didn't get all of God,
---Lupe2618 on 11/11/05


3. I mentioned the Corinthian church because we have to know what is happening at the time. Every book has a story to be told and they all connect. In John 14:17, This indicates some distinction between the ministry of the Holy Spirit to believers before and after Pentecost. While clearly the Holy Spirit has been with all who have ever believed throughout redemptive history as the source of truth, faith, and life, Jesus is saying something new is coming in His ministry (John 7:37-39).
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


2. for the church, many of the members had stopped using the gifts in the attitude of service and ministry and had begun using them to show offf. Some of the gifts were not being exercised at all because they were not spectacular. but the spectacular gifts, such as speaking in tongues, were being overemphasized and were taking up all of the time in the church. The apostle Paul introduced his corrections of the misuse of the gifts by pointing out the principles.
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


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other Christians with the gift of teaching could explain some of the details of the new covenant program. And other gifted Christians were supposed to help the local church run smoothly in other areas . Moreover, because the elders did not have the New Testament Scriptures to expound at the Sunday services, the public preaching centered on the exercise of the revelational gifts, such as prophecy, teaching, or even speaking in tongues. but the Corinthian church was beset with problems. Unfortunately
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


10. ecclesiological developments because the apostle Paul had not yet written Ephesians. To find their solutions they could do two things, They could write to the apostles about their problems, which in fact is the background for 1 Corinthians. They would seek Pauls instructions. Second, the local congregations could get answers to their questions through the exercise of the gifts. Believers with the gift of admininstration could help manage the affairs of the local church. Other Christians
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


9. and practical Christian living without the New Testament Scriptures. The first generation of Christians would also be perplexed about the basics of the administration of the local church. How was the goverment supposed to be set up? Who could be a deacon or an elder? The believers could not turn to 1 Timothy 3 to find the qualifications for church leaders because that book had not been written yet. They coud not study the book of Ephesians in discussing dispensational and
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


8. and an offering; the service centers though on the the exposition of the Word of God. Now this is critical because the Corinthians, however, did not know what was specifically going to happen when they gathered for worship on Sunday. They could not center their church services on the preaching of the Bible because they did not have the New Testament. They had the Old Testament Scriptures, of course but one can imagine how difficult it must have been for their leaders to explain new covenant doctrine
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


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7. such gifts as helps, or mercy, or faith, were exercised in the New Testament congregations. I mention this because if you put yourself in the time that the church was beginning. In the verses of 1 Cor. 12, approximately A.D. 56. A church service then was significantly different than ours are today. When we go to church, most of us can expect to follow a general order of service. Nomally, we have the singing of the doxology; prayer; some hymns, gospel songs, and choruses; announcements
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


6. enducement of the Spirit. Some of them imply that the gifts were given to us at birth and then simply energized by the Spirit at our salvation. Still others seem to say that lesser gifts are given to us at salvation, but certain gifts, such as speaking in tongues, take a second work of the Spirit. We also don't seem to be sure of what each gifts is. The nature of certain major gifts, such as prophecy and foreign language speaking, are debated all the time. But we are not even clear on how
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


5. gifts can be lost. Of course, the crux of the disagreement between charismatics and noncharismatics involves the question of which gifts (if any) are permanent and which gifts (if any) are temporary. Clearly, considerable disagreement and confusion as to the exact nature of spiritual gifts exist among contemporary Christians. Some Christians relate the gifts to Spirit baptism, some to them teach that it is a the time of salvation; other teach that it is after salvation at a time of special
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


4. and use "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance" (Romans 11:29). Another thing to consider is how many gifts are there? Are gifts limited to only those listed in the New Testament? Some people say that New Testament list all of the gifts, about nine, or possibly eighteen or twenty, or maybe as many as thirty. Still other people believe that the gifts discussed in the New Testament are only illustrations of many more. Another question that has to be answered is whether
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


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3. there has been a tendencey on occasion to minimize the biblical exegesis and to miximize the importance of gifts. some people argue that if God has given a lady the gift of preaching, she should exercise it, regardless of the strengths or weaknesses of the biblical support of such a position. In another realm of Christian controversy, some people have argued that preachers who have been proven to have committed immoral acts should continue their ministries simply because the Spirit has gifted them,
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


2. Not just a verse are verses but the whole context. In the subject of gifts, there is many things to consider. It might sound cut and dry to say this is the way it is but many times it is not. Gifts, in an exaggerated form, have become not only a substitue for clear thinking and exegesis in theological matters but also a hindrance to faithful Christian service. Exegesis (critical explanation or interpretation). For example, in the recent debates over the role of women in the Christian ministry,
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


Thank you sister Dory for your prayers. I am happy that many out there pray for others even when they don't know them. May God richly bless you and everyone. Let me explain a little about what I wrote and it probably sounds strange to you but my work has been in Hermeneutics for a time now. The words I used are from my studies in Scripture and are use in connecting all verses as I had explained before in the study of Scripture. I feel that we have to look at all aspects of what is written.
---Lupe2618 on 11/10/05


Lupe, I disagree with your evaluation of the Ephesian situation. It fits the big picture to believe it is as I portrayed it previoiusly.
---Bruce5656 on 11/10/05


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Lupe - I will continue to pray for your sister as the Lord brings her to my remembrance! Thanks for the update, I've been wondering how she's doing.

Regarding your last post ... if you go back & re-read Bruce's and my submissions you will see that we are saying virtually the same thing but referencing different Scripture. I don't believe there's anything taken out of context. On the other hand, did you subscribe to "bigwords.com"?? My dictionary doesn't even know some of those words! :)
---DoryLory on 11/10/05


Heavenly Father, I believe You have heard all the prayers on behalf of Lupe's sister & I thank You for Your hand upon her. Lord, Your Word declares that You are the healer, that You sent Your Son to pay for our healing and therefore I ask for a creative miracle for this dear sister who is loved so much. I ask, Lord, that You would restore and renew and cause this sister to be healthier and stronger than ever. I ask in Jesus' Name, by Your power, because of the great love and value You have for her also.
---DoryLory on 11/10/05


To sister Dory and to all the others who have prayed for my sister, I want to thank you so much. She is doing much better but still in trouble. She needs a pace maker and a kidney transplant but is still with us and I just wanted to mention that to everyone who were so kind to pray for her. Thank you again.
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


9. baptism with the church. Sister Dory, in explaining, for me, it takes a lot of space, I know it has great importance for many. There is so much to be said of what was happening at the time of the enterance of the church. I know it is not easy to understand all things but reaching a conclusion on passage without its totality can be a problem and does compromise other passages that speak against what we think is true. That is why I explain what I did in the beginning.
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


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8. In the dispensational interpretation, the Ephesian disciples were rebaptized primarily for Christological and essclesiological reasons. The story contains soteriological implications, of course, in that salvation under the new covenant has increased benefits. But baptism, as a symbol, identified these disciples with Christ and His church. Whereas previously they had identified with John's message of the coming messianic kingdom by John's water baptism, they were now being identified by Christian
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


7. by the exercise of the gifts of the Spirit and by the internal testimony of the Spirit. Thus, baptism and/or rebaptism was a regular occurrence in Paul's ministry. Paul and others such as Priscilla and Aquila regularly went into the synagogue of a community and explained the gospel to the Jews gathered there. So many things were happening then. Many were caught in the middle not knowing what baptism they should have. This time was like no other in the history of the church.
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


6. of Old Testament saints who needed to be brought into the New Covenant. Paul and other evangelists took the gospel to the far parts of the empire, they asked a test question to determine whether the disciples with whom they came into contact were old covenant saints or new covenant saints; "Having believed, did you receive the Holy Spirit?" If they were old covenant saints, they answered in the negative: if they are new covenant saints, they answered in the positive, assured, no doubt,
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


Unction here refers to the hearing of GOD speaking to us. This is a promise may to those who are "born again". Once while witnessing to a man I recieved a "unction" to SHUT UP stop talking. I could hardly believe that "unction" but I did stop talking. The next thing I knew the man he was on his knees asking me to help him pray. So listen to that inter voice!!!
---mima on 11/9/05


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5. The Ephesian disciples were living after the initiation of the new covenant program at Pentecost, but were separated from the the Day of Pentecost by a great geographical distance and more then twenty years in time. It may be that the Ephesian disciples had received John's baptism more recently, when the age of the Spirit had alread been anaugurated, in which case John's baptism might have been though to be no longer valid. These Ephesians were essentially like thousands
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


4. In the case of the Ephesian disciples is that they were Old Testament saints, believers who had progressed in their soteriological, ecclesiological, understanding no futher that the ministry of John the Baptist. They were like Apollos in that they knew only the baptism of John. They had been prepared spiritually to unite with the coming Messiah and establish the kingdom of God on earth. Paul came to them, explained Christ's death, resurrection, ascension into heaven, and bestowed the Holy Spirit.
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


3. (at least in some measure) the relation in which the separate thruths therein contained stand to each other. I know that many have taken a verse and completely follow what that verse says by itself. God's Word has been given to us little by little. In the topic of the Ministry of the Holy Spirit, we have to put all passages together and then sort them out. Location and what was happening at the time is so important in order to explain the passage.
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


2. in the Bible. We cannot rightly explain the love of God if we do not explain the wrath of God, and in like manner we cannot rightly explain the wrath of God if we do not include the love of God. The Word of God is bigger on the inside than the outside as we read it. Indivisual facts do not take on their meaning, until or unless they are arranged, sorted, and put into proper relation with one another. Therefore we cannot know what God has revealed in His Word unless we understand
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


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1. Hello sister Dory, I have made a great study on this subject and it is not something easy I can put down for you in few words. In order to preach a passage rightly, it must be preached in context. Context, however, isn't simply the verse or chapter before and the verse or chapter after, it is the totality of the Word of God. Thus, when we preach a particular passage, if we do it right, we actually are preaching the whole counsel of God. We preach the whole Bible every time we preach any passage
---Lupe2618 on 11/9/05


Hello sister Dory, I would love to answer you now but will have to wait till I come back. My sister had a heart attack and I need to go see her in another town. I love for us to discuss things and thank you for you questions or answers and I will look at them in there entirety and answer when I come back. Please pray for my sister, I sure don't want to lose another one. blessings
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


Pt1
Lupe - Jesus' resurrection ... not Pentecost ... marked the transition from OT to NT.

After Jesus' resurrection, John 20:22 says -- "He breathed on them, & said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit'" -- This word "receive" in Strongs speaks of immediacy in the sense of "receive right now" or "to take or carry away with you."

Creation began with the breath of God in the OT and here we see the new creation beginning with the breath of God the Son.
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


Pt2
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is an experience that is available only to those who are already born-again Christians. It does not take place as a consequence to salvation.

"If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. THE WORLD CANNOT ACCEPT HIM, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. (John 14:15-17)
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


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Pt3
The Disciples received two distinct and separate workings (manifestations) of the Holy Spirit.
1. John 20:22 - The indwelling of the Holy Spirit that every believer receives at salvation.
2. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance." (Acts 2:4)
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


Pt4
The Samaritans also experienced two separate workings or manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
1. They were saved & baptised in water under Philip's ministry, Acts 8:5-13.
2. They were baptised in the Holy Spirit under Peter and John's ministry some time later (Acts 8:14-17).

In Acts 19:1-6, some Ephesian believers were baptised in the Holy Spirit AFTER they had already been believers for some time.
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


Pt5
In the Bible, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit came with speaking in tongues ... not the New-Birth.

Jesus called tongues a sign (Mark 16:17), Paul referred to it as a sign (1 Corinthians 14:22) and in Acts 10:46 it was concluded that the Gentiles had been filled with the Holy Spirit because they spoke in other tongues. There is no other sign apart from tongues, that the Scriptures declare to be the initial evidence of being baptised in the Holy Spirit.
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


Pt6
Being Baptized in the Holy Spirit is not receiving the Holy Spirit a second time but it is allowing Him to work in our lives in a deeper way. In involves voluntarily yielding more of ourselves to Him ... beginning very practically with our vocal chords (or our words). Speaking in tongues is not a meaningless activity. The importance of words is phenominal to mankind including in our communication to our Creator.
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


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Pt7
As we yield our tongue to Him, He fills our words with a Heavenly language and allows us to praise Him and magnify Him in the purest, most glorious forms not imaginable to our limited mindsets. It is an awesome experience not to be compared with anything else on earth. That He would bestow us with such an ability is truly a humbling honor.
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


Pt8
From there, as we begin to learn to yield more and more of ourselves to Him, He will begin to use us to manifest Himself to others in ministry, through the Spiritual Gifts (1 Corinthians 12:7-10).

The gifts of the Spirit are from the Great Gift (the Baptism of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45). These gifts are the manifestation of the Holy Spirit (visible evidence of His activity) and are not a product of natural ability. Nowhere does the Bible teach that Spritual gifts will cease.
---DoryLory on 11/5/05


8. I'm not against anyone's denomination but as the truth as I see it. Yes, we are not under condemnation as we all know. The Holy Spirits ministry changed in that in the Old Testament it mainly pertain to the Jewish people, now made available to everyone for Christs' church since Pentecost. God has an order of things and a plan. Everything in its order. The baptism of the Spirits' manifestation now is for everyone that believes by faith and repents.
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


7. and some err because they make the Sabbath a moral law by following it but they make a mistake because the Sabbath is not part of God's nature but a ceremonial law. The ceremonial aspect of the law encompasses the various sacrifices and ceremonial rites that served as figures or types pointing to the coming Redeemer (Heb.7-10). The moral laws do not point forward to Christ (though they were explained more fully by Christ) and which continue to be binding moral truths for the Christians.
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


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6. The law reveals His moral nature, which He cannot compromise and still remain a moral God. Grace reveals His loving plan to provide a means of reconciling human beings to Himself even though they are imperfect, without compromising His won nature. Now here is where many that I know of err on. Some believe that we are not to follow the moral law because we are in the despensation of Grace and there is no condemnation of the law anymore, but God's nature does not change, so His moral law does not change
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


5. ministry. But yet Salvation of many came by grace through faith. Old Testament believers were justified by faith even as New Testament believers (Gal. 2:15-3:29) and are called saints sanctified ones even as New Testament believers (Math.27:52). I mentioned God's nature been solid because God reveals the law and His grace throught both the Old and New Testaments simultaneoulsy, not as muturally exclusive means of salvation, but as complementary aspects of His nature.
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


4. in the hearts of men like Abraham and Melchizedek by extending a gracious promis that He would bless the whole world through Abraham. God made a covenant of grace to Abraham , a convenant of which the giving of the law never nullified (Ga. 3:17). And now comes the despensation of grace, He continues to deal graciaously with humankind. In this age the difference is that it has a different purpose because it was to start the age of the Church. The manifestation of the Holy Spirit had a different
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


3. There is evidence of God's grace in every dispensation. When Adam and Eve sinned, God graciously intervened, promised a Redeemer, and made immediate provisions for their acceptance before Him in their sinful condition. In the dispensation of consicience Noah found grace in the sight of God. God graciously intervened, saving Noah and his family. In the despensation of civil government man rebelled by building the tower of Babel. God did not destroy the rebellious creation, but continued to work
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


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2. In this system, some things are solid. And God is one of them. many other things are not so solid. Systematic theology arranges thos meanings in scripture in a logical fashion. Take the subject of salvation. Salvation is the same in the old as in the New Testament. While many call this the age of Grace, many here believe that it is the way it is now and not that way in the Past but they are wrong in thinking that. God worked the same in the Old Testament people.
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


Brother Bruce, I answered you before i read what you asked me. Let me explain that I believe many things are confused in our understanding because we really don't take the time to understand who God is first. His sovereignty is so important to learn. What God's nature is and His attributes are so important and they never compromise. He is who He said He is and there is no changing anything to make God to conform to our understanding. I use what is called, Systematic Theology.
---Lupe2618 on 11/5/05


Brother Bruce, thank you also for your response. I always enjoy your answers to others. We don't agree on some things and that is normal. Just in explaining things it gives me more of an incentive to keep studying more and learning more. You are a great brother, keep up the good work.
---Lupe2618 on 11/4/05


4. Against: John 14:17, The Holy Spirit was (already) dwelling among them. 20:22. Christ bestowed the Holy Spirit on them while He was still with them." In this passages it does seem like they contradict. But as I know now they don't. Any other way they would contradict and as we know Scripture does not contradict. Thank you for your answer brother and nice to see a new name on this site. I enjoyed talking to you, blessings
---Lupe2618 on 11/4/05


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3. I enjoyed explaining things that I know to you and glad to talk to you brother. I sure don't think this topic should seperate any Christians. I started by explaining the reasons to Bruce because of the contradictions that seem to be in scripture in the book of John. 7:39; The Holy Spirit had not yet been given them. 16:7 the Holy Spirit would not come unless Christ went away. Act 1:4-8, The apostles were to wait at Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit came.
---Lupe2618 on 11/4/05


2. and come back a different person. You can see the change. Some people get the real point of being Christians when someone dies. We all have a different experience and relationship. If it took for you and many others to make a better commitment and a great sacrafice for Christ, that is great. To many others it does not have to happen like you. When we are baptisted into Christ, when we are reborn at that exact moment the Spirit makes residence in our lives. It begins our Christian life.
---Lupe2618 on 11/4/05


Lupe,
This was in response to your statement: " After Christ was taken up into heaven, He would be spiritually present everywhere through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was sent so that God would be with and within His followers after Christ returned to heaven."

My point: There is no reason why the Holy Spirit could not be as much in the disciples as He could be in Jesus - while Jesus was present.
---Bruce5656 on 11/4/05


Brother Wes, I am glad that you are now working for God in boldness. That is what everyone should be doing. When the Spirit of God comes into our lives we do respond because of the love we have for Christ. If it takes for someone to do something else to bring him to that point of commitment then its great. If it takes for me to go to a mountain on a retreat to make me a better Christian I will go. We all want more of God. There is nothing wrong with that. Some people even go to Israel
---Lupe2618 on 11/4/05


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Lupe,A few years ago I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as evidence by speaking in tongues, which I do daily. It has given me a boldness is sharing the gospel and increased my prayer life, all to the Glory of God, who gives good gifts to his children. I have presented scriptures that you and others can have the same if you believe. It isn't necessary for salvation. When you fight Satan, it is nice to have the best equipment available. God bless you-may he make Satan a footstool under your feet!
---wes on 11/3/05


2. The regenerating power of the Holy Spirit came on the disciples just before Jesus ascension (20:22), and the Spirit was poured out on all the believers at Pentecost (Acts 2). shortly after Jesus had ascended to heaven. If I made a mistake please explain. I am open to hear what you have to say against what I have written and please give me a Scripture. If I have it wrong I will sure check to make sure I am not putting something down that is not from Scripture. I want to have it right.
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


Brother Bruce, I read and read what you put down and I don't know where your disagreement is at. Your first line is true, your second is true, just like today, and I never said Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit. How can He not have it? He is after all God. About the Holy Spirit ministry I stated it was the same in the Old as in the New Testament. If you go back you will see I wrote that. In the day of Pentacost it was going to a special manifestion of the Spirit in the lives of all believers.
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


Lupe,
Jesus did what he did, knew what he knew, etc as a man (fully human) empowered by the Holy Spirit. Just as today, you and I both have the Spirit of God in us, there is no reason why Jesus and His disciples could not have the spirit of God in them at the same time.
---Bruce5656 on 11/3/05


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4.When the Holy Spirit comes into our lives at regeneration, He begins a lifelong process of change as we become more like Christ(Galatians 3:3; Philippians 1:6) When we receive Christ by faith, we begin an immediate personal relationship with God. That is what is meant by "in" us. This special manifestation had never happened before the resurrection of Christ. The birth of the church.
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


3, believed in Jesus. We receive the Holy Spirit (are baptized with Him) when we receive Christ. The baptism of the Holy Spirit must be understood in the light of His total work in Christians. It is special because it marks the beginning of the Christian experience. We cannot belong to Christ without His Spirit (Romans 8:9). we cannot be united to Christ without His Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17). we cannot be adopted as His children without His Spirit (Romans 8:14-17; Galathians 4:6,7).
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


2. because physically He could be in only one place at a time. After Christ was taken up into heaven, He would be spiritually present everywhere through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was sent so that God would be with and within His followers after Christ returned to heaven. The Spirit would comfort them, guide them to know His truth, remind them of Jesus words, give them the right words to say, and fill them with power (John 14-16). At Pentecost the Holy Spirit was made available to all who
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


Thank you brother Wes for your answer. I feel in my spirit you do want to know more and I could help you with the help of others. Jesus didn't speak to the diciples on the day of Pentacost. He spoke to them before He was taken up into Heaven. He spoke to them before His suffering and crucifixion. The Trinity is a description of the unique relationship of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If Jesus had stayed on earth, His physical presence would have limited the spread of the gospel,
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


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Brother Lupe,
I think we can both agree that each person receives the Holy Spirit when they are born again. Jesus told them on the day of Pentecost to wait until the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they would receive power to be his witness. They were already born again and had received the Holy Spirit. So many churches want to side step the book of Acts. It gives the church the power!
---wes on 11/3/05


7. but it is the same God who inspires them all in every believer. (Cor. 12:4-6). Wes, it is important for us to understand this, because everything we need to know about Him in life He told us. Charles Russell started a whole new religion by adding something that was not there. He believed that after the resurrection of Jesus, that He had come in the Spirit, and not in the flesh. I am open to hear anything you might want to discuss to explain your point. Blessings
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


6. We can be sure that this Jesus is the Lord, the Savior, who will dwell in our hearts by faith if we will let Him. And we can be sure that if we will accept this Jesus as our own Savior, then God will send us His Holy Spirit, the Lord of power and giver of life, to indwell us and give us new life, and power to live for God forever, through this personal relationship. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit, and there are varieties of service, same Lord, and there are varieties of working,
---Lupe2618 on 11/3/05


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