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Were There People Before Adam

I think there may have been people before Adam and Eve, because how could God force us to reproduce through incest in Genesis, and then denounce incest as wickedness in Leviticus 20:17? Once a sin always a sin right?

Moderator - Using your own logic there would have to be a start at some point of brothers and sisters marrying in order to procreate.

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GOOD question! I am sure that the devil brought the reality of temptation, deception and sin to the garden and to Adam and Eve from our human point of view. From Gods point of view, may hap He allowed things to play out the way they did because He knew that the plan of redemption would reveal His Glory and love on a whole different level that we wont understand until that glorious day. Without temptation can there even be real righteousness? Without overcoming death can there be real victory, without forgiveness can we understand Gods loving sacrifice of His Son to uphold his Justice and reveal His grace both at the same time? Oh the depths and mysteries of Gods ways, could man invent such a Dnouement?
---Poppa_Bear on 11/20/11

No, there were no people created before Adam. The Bible does not say anywhere that Cain married his sister, instead we read, "by the word of God, things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3. Therefore God can easily make a wife for Cain by his word. And if Jesus made a wife from Adam's rib, and Adam was able to marry his own rib bone, then who is to say that Jesus Almighty cannot create one, two, three, or more wives by his word?
---Eloy on 11/20/11

Poppa Bear, its been cold here in the Sacramento area. But when I think of Alask, I really get cold.
You are right, we don't know how good we have it so many times.
Concerning Adam and Eve before the fall, and with no sinful nature, "why do you think they decided to sin" We know Eve was deceived, and know that Adam did what Eve told him, but when there is no sinful nature why were they tempted to sin? We know people after the fall sin because of that sinful nature, but they didn't have one. Do you believe the sinful nature of the serpent made them sin? I say this because when a person does not have any inclination whatsoever to sin, as they, before the fall, why did they sin?
---Mark_V. on 11/20/11

Maybe your right John, Mark, things are cold, cold, cold up here this time of year. We are doing ok though. You know when you have the Lord in your life, you can thrive pretty much anywhere. I have heard stories of people in great poverty in third world country's having greater joy than many of us westerners. I think that we especially in the West have so many household gods that we hold on to, that they take place of our dependency on the Master and we can't see past our little things/stuff and really look into His face and receive His amazing joy like our brothers and sisters around the world.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/19/11

Poppa Bear, good point you made. Something to think about also is the fact that when God told them to reproduce, there was no sin in reproducing. When He made it a law in Leviticus 20:17-not to have incest, from then on it became sin, because God commanded man this time, to not do certain things, if they did, they sinned against God's instructions, by disobeying His commands. How's the cold up there?
---Mark_V. on 11/19/11

PoppaBear, that's not far from the truth. And the word you meant to use was "illusion" I think.
---John.usa on 11/18/11

Adam and Eve are mythical characters, so there was no one before them and there was no one after them. Then you do not exist. Your words are all an allusion so we will try to treat them as such.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/18/11

Adam and Eve are mythical characters, so there was no one before them and there was no one after them.
---John.usa on 11/18/11

Adam and Eve were initially without any taint of death or disease in their DNA and procreation between siblings wouldnt have been plagued with the damaging harmful genetic consequences like post fall relationships. After sin came into the world and after enough off spring was available sin forbad the practice and the availability of partners who were not first-generation siblings negated the need as well. Adam and Eve could have had 100 children in 100 years and their children could have procreated in the hundreds within another hundred years. This could have even been before the fall. Eve could have had many children without pane before the fall also.
---Poppa_Bear on 11/17/11

I THINK (sorry if wrong) that -Mariah is actually asking why God did not create 2,3,4 or 5 pairs of male and female, so they could breed without having to breed with brothers or sisters?

Just an idea! Moderator, if there were only two,sure. But I SUSPECT Mariah is asking why just one male male, one female.

Mariah, IF that is your question, I know not. BUT I believe that even when I know not, GOD has a reason.

I have seen many things that make me ask WHY? Sometimes, even after 20, 30 years (I'm only 39) I find out. Some I've never found out YET.

I think Moderator may not have understood the question. Moderator, if you did, blessings, I've done the same hundreds of times!
---Peter on 11/16/11

Please ask for understanding of the word. God created male and female of all things on the 6th day.
God formed Adam (light) from the dust and breathed into his nostrils making the first Living Soul!
The others created were not a Living Soul..however they could be humans as we know it primitive imperfect etcetera.
Adam and Eve were created after God rested on the 7th day. So Yes there were others. Adam and Eve were perfect and to establish the lineage of Christ.
When resurrected Christ took those souls Adam Eve and other prophets to Heaven.
---growing_in_knowledge on 11/16/11

In Patriarchal times marriage to rival sisters were permissible, though such marriages proved troublesome to both Abraham and to Jacob. Please, God never forced incest and or polygamy. Incest,is what we sometimes call "polygamy". It sounds nicer. [Marrying two sisters-incest] No express command against it. It was in them a sin of ignorance. Later forbidden by Mosaic law in Lev. 18:18. Note: Polygamy-incest is also idolatry, and I can not tell you how much God hates idolatry. Also, God did not consider these unions to be true marriages. Thus God would use this common terminology "uncover her nakedness".
---catherine on 6/28/08

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth...

Replenish generally means to restock, resupply and in the case REpopulate. The Re prefix means to do again. Now if the Bible is as clear as everyone seems to claim it is then its quite clear that there were others.
---pterrell on 6/28/08

Gen 2:5, "...there was not a man to till the earth." Two views. First, there were no other men yet on the earth. Or, second, there was no horticultural man. See also Gen 4:16, Cain dwelt in the land of Nod (literally, wanderers), or, in our language, nomads, which supports the second view above.
---David on 5/15/08

Your question answers your question.
If there were people before Adam would they not be in the same incest you claim.
What ever God does cannot be sin.
When you get back to basis you married your relative also since we all did come from Adam.
---Elder on 8/21/07

According to the Bible, Adam and Eve were the first humans. That means there had to be relationships between brothers and sisters. BUT, the difference between them and later time when incest was considered a sin is they had not polluted the gene pool. (God is smart, He knows when to call an act a sin. It wasn't until later He called incest a sin, and He knew it was medically unwise.)
---WIVV on 12/26/05

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Don't be blown about by the winds of false doctrine. Let God teach you Moriah. Read, study and meditate on the Bible (Gene.-Rev.) and trust God to instruct you in what you need to know.
---Leon on 12/4/05

Those who believe people lived before Adam & Eve are a bunch of Neanderthals!
---len_k on 12/1/05

If incest was considered a sin before Moses then we would have to say that some of the biggest sinners would include Abram (Abraham) who married his sister, Isaac who married his 1st cousin, Jacob who married 2 (not 1) cousins. It was actually considered the norm when the population of the Earth was still small and growing.

Is it possible that genetic diseases occured after it was prohibited? Do we have any records of genetic diseases prior to say 1550 BC?
---David7647 on 10/30/05

Eloy, how could Eve have been the 'mother of all living' if the wives of her sons were not also her own offspring? She would not have been their mother would she? yet we are told that she was. B.T.W. Here in U.K. to say someone is mixed up is not saying they are not of sound mind. It usually means 'confused' so please don't take offence at my observation.
---M.P. on 10/29/05

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Eloy ... you complicate thengs.
The mating of siblings did not become a sin until well after the time of Adam & Eve, so at that time it was not wrong.
Every person on this planet is said to be descended from Adam & Eve.
So why try to add to the clear story that the Bible tells.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/29/05

Adam had daughters. Genesis 5:4,5
Nowhere in scripture does it suggest there were people before Adam. Therefore it is only reasonable to say Adam's sons married their sisters. It was not wrong at that time to do so.
---Ulrika on 10/29/05

M.P., i of the mind of Christ, am of a sound mind. Now we know incest is a sin, and scripture is silent on the issue of "the source of wives" for Adam's sons. We know that Adam and Anima multiplied, and that from 1 blood all nations were created, but who's to say that Adam's sons married their sisters? and not rather that God provided wives for them (as he did for Adam)? The Lord is the Creator, and he can do anything, and make things out of nothing. Please read Hebrews 11:3; Genesis 4:16,17.
---Eloy on 10/29/05

There's a ministry that put together a poster detailing evolution's "theory" in detail with most of the "accurate" fossils [Peking Man, Cro(?)Magnon Man, etc] with little known facts, such as "The Peking Man" being an old man who died from arthritis! If such beings did exist before Adam & Eve, they were in the "original" creation & not "the recreation" of Genesis, hence irrevelent to Adam [plural, pro-noun, or pigmentation meaning], Eve & their seed, us.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/29/05

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emman6684 So who is going to save these other people (or rather the descendents of them), the ones not related to Adam or Jesus? Or perhaps you think that these other people were born without sin because they were not descended from Adam and therefore do not need a Saviour. That can't be right though because the bible says that no-one is without sin. It also says that it was through Adam that we ALL sin and through Jesus that we can be saved. Who are the descendents of these people to whom you refer?
---M.P. on 10/28/05

Eloy, you still sound mixed up. Adams sons had sex with Adams daughters (their own sisters) and produced the next generation that way. You seem to disagree with this though, even though God commanded them to multiply. Incest did not come into it because they were obeying God's command. Obeying God is NEVER wrong. Later when God told the people not to marry close relatives it would have been wrong to do so, because God had said they mustn't, and it would THEN have been incest (a sin).
---M.P. on 10/28/05

M.P. as i said, they obeyed God to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and i was refuting the incest charge which is a common allegation as in this posters question. M.P. please know that i have the mind of Christ, so it is not possible for me to be "one very mixed up person", as you say.
---Eloy on 10/28/05

Alan, it's apparent that people are still populating, perhaps there's something in the water...i jest. No but seriously, we are in the latter dispensation, so i have said before and i will say again, Blessed the barren, and the wombs which do not bear, and the breasts that do not nurse.
---Eloy on 10/28/05

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Eloy ... my comment was truncated in transmission! I meant to say that I wondered whether the biblical reference to multiplying was a historical record of what God instructed then, or is it a permanent and continuing instruction still today?
I hope there will be a new blog about this.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/28/05

Eloy you say "So obeying God, the earth today is at 6,517,098,450 souls, and is increasing at a rate of 5 more every 2 seconds"
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/28/05

Eloy you truly are one very mixed up person on this issue. I don't think anyone can explain to you any more clearly than has already been explained that procreating with one's sibling was the only way initially and was God's design for that generation. Incest was not a nasty word then, in fact it wasn't a word at all. You are trying to find reasons to discuss away something that happened because, to you, it seems wrong, when in fact it was perfectly alright.
---M.P. on 10/28/05

Alan and Bruce, i agree with you, when God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply, how else but with each other? So obeying God, the earth today is at 6,517,098,450 souls, and is increasing at a rate of 5 more every 2 seconds.
---Eloy on 10/28/05

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MP, the thing is, the bible tells of the story line of Jesus, who is to come and save the world.
Genesis, begins with the story of Adam, the man whose descendant would be Jesus.
The other people may have existed but they can not be in the bible story...
---emman6684 on 10/27/05

"Chances are they probably had the best genes of anyone in creation" No Kaleo, neither chance nor probability come into it. God made everything perfect. They WERE genetically perfect, no flaws, blemishes etc. until after they sinned.
---M.P. on 10/27/05

What curse? Who said anything about a curse? This is simple biology.
Question: Where did Adam's kids get their mates?
Answer: Their siblings.
Call it incest if you want, what ever it was it was sanctioned by God and was not wrong at the time.
---Bruce5656 on 10/27/05

Eloy, It was not incest in the days of Adam, or Noah, becau8se the law had not then been given.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/27/05

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Bruce, if you're going to look at it from that perspective, then from the beginning EVERY SINGLE PERSON (which includes the 2nd generation of Cain, Abel, and Seth) is a product of incest, because Adam mated with his own rib, in order to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. God removes the curse to preserve posterity in the earth, remember Lot's wife was destroyed, so to preserve Lot's posterity his daughters birthed children from their father, without the curse from incest.
---Eloy on 10/27/05

Here is the difference. It is called a gene pool (We have science for a reason). when there are many generations of close relation ofsprings born, defects began to show up. But that is only after a while. with Adam and Eve that wouldn't have happened. Chances are they probably had the best genes of anyone in creation and so their kids wouldn't have had the incest problems that occur today. Remember the laws were given not only for moral reasons they were also to protect the Isrealites
---Kaleo on 10/27/05

Ok guys first of all, God said he created a man and a woman (Adam and Eve) and told them to be fruitfull and multiply. There were no other people and so they would have had to marry their close relatives.
---Kaleo on 10/27/05

The prohibition to marry in the family came with the law. If Adam had never fallen, there would have never been a curse. No curse means no "genetic mutation" diseases brought in by marrying family. Strange how the new covenant tells a believer that he must "marry in the family" as to not be unequally yoked. Pretty stout evidence that believers have been redeemed from the curse of the law and that Father God esteems the covenant spiritual union above the fleshly union.

Moderator - Please show the scriptures that state will can marry our family members today.
---Deborah on 10/27/05

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Perhaps this will help.

You say, "If i have sons and daughters..."

Ok lets look at that. Suppose you and your wife were shipwrecked on an isolated island never to be rescued. On this island there is a fountain of youth so you and your wife live for several hundred years. You have children, lots of children, boys and girls. They are ALL SECOND GENERATION.
---Bruce5656 on 10/27/05

If there were to be a third generation born on the island where would any of them find a mate? Remember, there is no third generation, just you and your many children chldren.

That is the way it was for Adam, Eve and THEIR children.
---Bruce5656 on 10/27/05

Did you even read my response??

I are talking about the FIRST GENERATION after Adam and Eve here. When Adam and Eve had kids (second generation), BEFORE there was a third generation there were ONLY brothers and sisters. Untill they had a son AND daughter who would procreate together, there could be no further generations to interbreed.
---Bruce5656 on 10/27/05

They would never have cousins because their parents had no brothers and sisters therefore they had no aunts and uncles to give them cousins. They had sisters only to marry and then the next generation would have had cousins. None of this was considered incest or wrong because this was the way that God intended it to be until the gene pool became too polluted to intermarry very closely.
---M.P. on 10/27/05

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Eloy ... it would be incest today.
But the prohibition about marrying direct relatives was not made until much later.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/27/05

Eloy you say " there was no need for Adam's sons to marry their sisters or cousins, for their wives that they chose were far enough removed from being next of kinship". That is quite a ridiculous statement to make unless you believe that there were other people on the earth at the same time as Adam and Eve. Adams sons only had sisters, not even cousins.
---M.P. on 10/27/05

Emmanuel, if that theory were correct why would God have made Adam from dirt and Eve from Adam? From what did He make all the others that you think might have come first? Do you think that Adam and Eve were the natural offspring of earlier people who had been created in some other way?
---M.P. on 10/27/05

it was actually better to intermarry at one time. This is what the Bible means when it says that Noah was "perfect in his generation" - His family had not mixed with pagan people.
---mike on 10/27/05

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Adam and Eve's creation story could be seen as a story that has hidden meaning. Many people interpret it as a story telling them that Adam and Eve were the first couple (people) to know God or have the knowledge that God exists.
---Emmanuel on 10/27/05

Bruce, but you are in error if you think they committed incest. If i have sons and daughters, and they grow up and have sons and daughters, and these grow up and have sons and daughters, and these grow up and have sons and daughters, and these grow up and have sons and daughters, and these grow up and have sons and daughters. And then my firstborn son marries one of these last born daughters, that is not incest nor intermarriage, but indeed a proper marriage.
---Eloy on 10/27/05

Adam and Eve were perfect. Because of sin, the gene pool started to deteriorate but was still quite good for some generations. We don't marry cousins anymore because of genetic defects. They did not have that problem then so marrying siblings and cousins was not the problem it is now. God put a stop to it because He knew it would cause defects.
---marya4586 on 10/26/05

Eloy, I understand biology. The question does not relate to generations removed from Adam and Eve but their direct offspring ALL of whom were brothers and sisters. THEIR kids became cousins etc but Cain, Able and their brothers and sisters had to intermarry.
---Bruce5656 on 10/26/05

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Bruce, the point is Adam lived almost a 1,000 years of age. He was 130 years old after he had his 3rd child, and he and his wife had many many more sons and daughters, and these offspring had many sons and daughters, and those sons and daughters had many offspring, etc etc. So there was no need for Adam's sons to marry their sisters or cousins, for their wives that they chose were far enough removed from being next of kinship.
---Eloy on 10/26/05

Alex... Read Paleantologist Bill Patterson sometime. He is still an Evolutionist, however in 1980 he came out and stated point blank that Evolutionism is nothing more than just a religion, and had to be taken totally upon by faith due to an actual lack of evidence.

Philosophically, Evolution has nothing to do with Intelligent Design. The two are answers to two totally seperate questions. The opposite of Int. Des. is Chaotic Nothingness.
---David7647 on 10/26/05

Moderator the relationship between Noah's children and wives was not the same as with Adam and Eve. Noah's three sons already had wives who would each have come from different branches of Adams family and would, therefore, be not so closely related. The offspring of these 3 couples would have been marrying cousins, cousins that were only related to each other on their fathers' side not on both their mothers' and fathers' sides as would be the case with the offspring of a brother and sister marriage.

Moderator - Yes, I agree.
---M.P. on 10/26/05

Alex, God said that everything he had made produced seed of its own kind. Just like an apple tree has seeds which grow into apple trees not banana plants, so humans have seed which become other humans not butterflies and elephants produce elephants not tigers etc.
---M.P. on 10/26/05

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mmm think about what u jsut said..what are u trying to prove??or disprove??no there wasnt people b4 adam, u can spout of verses but cant listen when he said that they were the first people.. u make me mad but this isnt about me..soo
---angie on 10/26/05

I solely agree with Julie. All these speculations accomplishes nothing. If God wished us to have certain knowlege about things He would grant us the wisdom to know it and understand it.
---clark on 10/26/05

The second generation after Adam and Eve would have to marry a brother or sister. After that what you say is true, then you start dealing with cousins.
---Bruce5656 on 10/26/05

We were all decended from Adam and Eve. What I can't figure is how it started all over again with only Noah's offspring?

Moderator - 8 people including Noah. His wife, 3 sons and their wifes. Yes, they had to intermarry.
---NVBarbara on 10/26/05

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Adam lived to be 930 years old, and he had many sons and daughters, which offspring also had many sons and daughters, and these offspring also had more sons and daughters. So there were plenty of spouses to choose from without committing incest.
---Eloy on 10/26/05

Genesis tells us that Eve was the mother of all living (3:20).

There are some speculations surrounding if there is a time frame not mentioned in Scripture that happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 where some believe the angels originated. But you would have to go deep into the doctrines of the Powers and Principalities.
---David7647 on 10/26/05

Adam was the first man. Eve was the first woman. The rest of your questions will be answered when we get to heaven and do not have any bearing on our current mission.
---julie3763 on 10/26/05

If you believe all the Bible as the Word of God, as I do. 2Timothy 3:16 Then what it says in Genesis is what happened. Sin is when God tells men to do or not do something, and they disobey God. God did not tell man not take sister and see nakedness until. Lev. 20:17.
---Ulrika on 10/25/05

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My question is: The bible talks about Adam & Eve, and we also know that there were Australopithecus, Neanderthals, etc.. so, were Adam & Eve not like us but more like them? You know, not homosapiens? Forgive me for my ignorance on this matter, I am no pre-historic expert, so most likely I'm not using the right terms.

Moderator - If one looks at detail of the fossil records, one will see most of the stuff is made up. For example they may find a skull bone chip and then reconstruct a person out of it, bottomline bogus science.
---Alex on 10/25/05

' does this mean that Adam and Eve were like that'. Like WHAT Alex - what is your question?
---M.P. on 10/25/05

And what about evolution? What about the Australopithecus and homosapiens? I mean, they existed (that is a fact), so does this mean that Adam and Eve were like that?
---Alex on 10/25/05

Theologicaly, the concept of ancestors for Adam and Eve falls apart on the subject of original sin. 1 Corinthians 15:22, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."
---Bruce5656 on 10/25/05

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Abraham married his half-sister. Marriage to close relatives was ok until God gave the law to Moses.
---Kim on 10/25/05

Looking through the "eyes" of the scriptures, "incest" did not exist 'til the law was given by Echad/God.

It's also highly possible "beings" of some type existed before Adam & Eve in "The Luciferian Age", as Lucifer had a throne & no doubt subjects other than [his] angels. The Word of God is about His masterpiece us, mankind, made in His image/likeness & Him!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/25/05

The Bible is perfectly clear that Adam and Eve were the first humans God created. Genesis clearly says: In the beginning... The bible is complete. Nothing is left out. No other books need to be added. I think we fall into a trap and get confused when we try to figure God out. No one can possibly know the mind of God or should question why He does what He does.
---clark on 10/25/05

They would still have been marrying reasonably close relatives, just not as close as before. God knew what He was doing and ordered this to protect them. There are people who believe that God made a whole race of men and women rather than one couple but that negates the verse that tells us that Eve was the mother of all living and that through Adam all have a sin nature. We all have a direct line back to Adam and Eve.
---M.P. on 10/25/05

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They were also perfect until they sinned but sin brought about problems in every area of life including human health issues. Over a period of time health problems would have become worse the closer the relatives who procreated were to each other. That was when God told them to find mates who were not so closely related
---M.P. on 10/25/05

God is the one who says what is sin and what is not. It is not for us to question what He has decreed. He created one man and later made a woman for that man and told them to multiply. If there had been other humans at that time it would have been pointless for God to create Adam in the way He did and then tell them to multiply. Adam and Eve were genetically identical, because Eve was made from Adam.
---M.P. on 10/25/05

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