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When did we get the word "Jehovah" for God? I read that it was always JHWH or YHWH. Was Jehovah a later translation?

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Donna (1)

From Biblical Archaeology Review-

"Fragments of the Greek Septuagint that date from the first century B.C.E. clearly show Jehovah's name, represented in the Greek text by the four Hebrew letters (YHWH)".

Professor George Howard wrote: "When the Septuagint which the New Testament church used and quoted contained the Hebrew form of the divine name, the New Testament writers no doubt included the Tetragrammaton in their quotations".

What are those 'quotations'? To follow...
---scott on 11/10/10


Donna (2)

When Jesus quoted the Old Testament or read from it, he certainly would not have been influenced by the false Jewish tradition that, at some point, kept them from speaking the divine name.

See Deuteronomy 6:13, 16, 8:3, Psalm 110:1, Isaiah 61:1, 2, Matthew 4:4, 7, 10, 22:44 and Luke 4:16-21.

The divine name appears in its abbreviated form in the book of Revelation (called 'The Revelation of Jesus Christ' - Rev 1:1). It's embedded in the expression Alleluia, or Hallelujah. This expression literally means Praise Jah, you people! Jah is a contraction of the name Jehovah. See Rev. 19:1, 3, 4, 6

When Jesus told us to pray 'hallowed be (or 'sanctify) your name'...what was that name?
---scott on 11/10/10


Donna,

Jesus Christ said in prayer to his father:

"I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
John 17:26

What is that name?
---scott on 11/10/10


"Was Isaiah wrong? *****8566_of_UK

I of course never said that it is inappropriate to refer to Christ as 'Prince of Peace', etc. But Christ, in reality, had a personal name. Yeshua in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek.

I'm sure you are aware that Paul referred to someone as "King of righteousness", and also "King of peace". Those are appropriate names/titles for this individual, however his personal name was Melchizedec. (Heb 7:1,2)

The personal name YHWH (Jehovah) appears almost 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures. More, by far, than any other name or any other title such as Lord found in His inspired word.
---scott on 11/10/10


///Donna66: I like your contribution of 11/9/10 to this question.
---Adetunji on 11/10/10 ///


Another agreement-Amen.
---char on 11/10/10




Donna66: I like your contribution of 11/9/10 to this question.
---Adetunji on 11/10/10


When His disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, He did not tell them, "after this manner: Our Jehovah, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name".

In fact, I may be mistaken, but I don't recall that He ever called God the father, "Jehovah" or instructed others to do so.
---Donna66 on 11/9/10


Scott ... Nothing there says we should not call Him by other names.

I quoted the names from memory ... Char has quoted them direct out of Isaiah 9:6-7:

"Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace"

Was Isaiah wrong?
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/9/10


Dear ********ofUK

Well for starters...

"Give thanks unto Jehovah, call upon his name..." 1 Chron. 16:8 ASV

"Give thanks unto Jehovah, call upon his name...make mention that his name is exalted." Is. 12:4 ASV. ("Call his name aloud." JB)

"I will turn to the peoples a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent." Zeph. 3:9 ASV

"And ye ... shall praise the name of Jehovah your God...whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered." Joel 2:26, 32 ASV

"They shall call upon my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, Jehovah is my God." Zech. 13:9 ASV.
---scott on 11/9/10


Alan-I do understand-Please-careful.Immediately-I take respondsibility for causing your fustration-not at all my intention for providing information. It is His name.Heed in praise-YHWH.
-Peace brother.

And Yes-God does know our heart as we pray and provides our need as Saviour in the name of Jesus Christ(Y'sh a)-as One-Lord to Master our life as-Counselor 1 Cor 2Holy Spirit with us now-bringing Peace that only His Word-by His Spirit can bring.
Is9:6-7 6unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace

To your statement-agreed-Amen.
---char on 11/9/10




Scott ... When I spoke with my own father, I did not called him Lyndesay, nor my Mum Joan.

And my daughters don't call me Alan, they cal,l me Dad

So why should I not call my heavenly father "Father"?
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/9/10


This information is also to provide an understanding to the difference between any other language to the ancient hebrew.
God knows the end from the beginning and from the beginning gave each Hebrew letter a definition towards defining-Him.
In understanding the definition to each letter- Y sh a -they define Jesus Christ as God our Saviour.
Each Hebrew letter has a definition-the English letters don't.
Jn 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].

Without understanding this-one can not call upon God: as Abba Father-in the Name of Jesus Christ-As Saviour-Knowing they are-One.
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
---char on 11/9/10


alan8566,

You could rightly be called (if true) 'wonderful husband', 'incredible father,' 'brilliant craftsman', etc...but your name is Alan right?

The Hebrew word for 'name' (Shem) refers not just to a literal name but also, according to Strong's:

'Reputation, fame, glory, memorial, monument'.

Gen 6:4 "..men of renown [lit name].

Num 16:2 "... men of renown [lit name].

See also Num 16:2, Rth 4:11, 14, 1Ch 5:24, 1Ch 12:30, Eze 23:10, etc.

In addition, no one can say for sure how the name of God's Son, 'Jesus', was pronounced by first century Christians. That doesn't keep us from using the version that's familiar in our particular language.

God's name is Jehovah.
---scott on 11/9/10


Do you ever listen to Handel's "Messiah" In there, we sing, about Jesus: "His name shall be Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace ...."

These names come from Isaiah.

Seems strange that there are those who say He can only be addressed by some name, which we can't even pronounce in our language!
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/8/10


Unfortunately-many still believe there are other gods-godesses etc...
But there is only One.YHWH God-as Father He Is Abba-as Saviour He is Y'sha.

It is His Word that became Flesh.
If you believe and follow His Word-you will be saved from deception.
Only His Word can save you-Y'shua-confirmed by Him who is Spirit and Holy.

(Ehy-eh asher Ehy-eh
(Identical verbs)
Imperfect-incomplete action
perfect-complete action
First person is Eh-yeh-I Exist
second person is tih-weh-you Exist/you are
third person is yih-weh-He Exist His is
asher is the relative pronoun-which-who-because.
I will exist because-I will exist
I am who I am-I will be who I will be-I am that which exist.

He declares He is-I AM.
---char on 11/8/10


///If you are talking about different names all together I would strongly disagree.scott on 11/6/10///

I disagree also.The Letter spelling Jehovah have no meaning with the acient Hebrew letter definition.-However it is the root letters that defines their meaning.YHWH-previous post.

Jn 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].
The understanding "one" when asking the Father in the name of Yeshua-as instructed may be differcult without agreement- as spoken out by the Word of God in flesh-Immanuel Yehovah with us.
mat 1:10-24
Y'sha defined-YHWH Saviour
---char on 11/8/10


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I agree with Scott. On the night before his death, God's Son- Jesus Christ said that he had 'made his Father's name manifest'- Jo.17:6. Christ strongly believed in using his Father's name and making it 'manifest'.

Also, the Apostle Paul wrote at Romans 10:13, (quoting Joel 2:32- already referred to on this thread), 'For "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved."'

So both Christ and Paul teach it is important to use God's name.
---David8318 on 11/7/10


"Do not bother about the specific names used by different groups and nations." Adetunji

I agree as long as you're referring to the various pronunciations of the divine name (YHWH) based on an individual's native tongue or language. For example 'Geova' in Italian, 'Ehobah' in Japanese, etc. All certainly fine and appropriate.

If you are talking about different names all together I would strongly disagree. The God of the Bible has assigned to himself one personal name. It appears some 7,000 times in the original Hebrew text.

"I am Jehovah that is my name and my glory will I not give to another..." Isa 42:8 ASV, YNG, DBY
---scott on 11/6/10


I like to call Him Father.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/10


///---Adetunji on 11/5/10
Whatever name of HIS you understand and call, HE will hear you////


Amen.
---char on 11/5/10


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The moment you have it in your mind to talk to God, HE is already attentive to hear you. Whatever name of HIS you understand and call, HE will hear you. Do not bother about the specific names used by different groups and nations. God created the differences of languages and uses of them.
---Adetunji on 11/5/10


Ask the Father(Ehy-eh asher Ehy-eh-YHWH) in the name of the Son-One-Saviour-Immanuel God with us-Yeshua.
Is8:8,Matt 1:10-23
Is 43:3 For [I am]the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel,thy Saviour...
[I,even I am] the Lord,and beside Me [there is]No Saviour.
John 14-Jn15-Jn16-Jn17
14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT.
John 17(ALL)
*thy own Name
*I have given them Thy Word
* be One as we are ONE
Jesus Christ-Saviour
Lk2:11,Jn4:42,Act 13:23,Eph5:23 Phil 3:20
---char on 11/4/10


The pronouncing of JHWH and YHWH is lost but that does not mean we should not try to pronounce it in our own language. My name simon sounds different in say hebrew or greek but you would still pronounce it in your own language if you were talking about me.
His son jesus used it and made it known to his disciples.
It was of utmost importance in the lords prayer as jesus told us to pray for it to be made holy.
If there was one place jehovahs holy name should be written down and spoken of consistently then it is in his holy bible and place of worship.
---simon on 11/4/10


micha9344

Original Hebrew- Joel 2:32 "whosoever shall call on the name of YHWH (Jehovah) not Adonai (LORD) shall be delivered..."

Original Hebrew- Psa 116:13 "I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of YHWH (Jehovah) not Adonai (LORD)."

Original Hebrew- Isa 42:8 "I [am] YHWH (Jehovah) not Adonai (LORD): that [is] my name and my glory will I not give to another..."
---scott on 11/4/10


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///Joe 2:32/Act 2:21(combined) And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered...---/saved
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Psa 116:13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it,
Isa 42:8a I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name and my glory will I not give to another...
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
---micha9344 on 11/3/10///

---Love this----Amen.
---char on 11/4/10


Matt6:9-After this manner therefore pray: Our Father Which art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy name...
///Something to consider...

"Give thanks unto Jehovah, call upon his name..." 1 Chron. 16:8 ASV


They shall call upon my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, Jehovah is my God." Zech. 13:9 ASV.
---scott on 11/3/10///

Agree.

Know Father is Yehovah.
---char on 11/3/10


Joe 2:32a And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered...
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Psa 116:13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it,
Isa 42:8a I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name and my glory will I not give to another...
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
---micha9344 on 11/3/10


JackB

Something to consider...

"Give thanks unto Jehovah, call upon his name..." 1 Chron. 16:8 ASV

"Give thanks unto Jehovah, call upon his name...make mention that his name is exalted." Is. 12:4 ASV. ("Call his name aloud." JB)

"I will turn to the peoples a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent." Zeph. 3:9 ASV

"And ye ... shall praise the name of Jehovah your God...whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered." Joel 2:26, 32 ASV

"They shall call upon my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, Jehovah is my God." Zech. 13:9 ASV.
---scott on 11/3/10


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///Lord or Father works perfectly fine for me.
---JackB on 11/3/10///

I can Amen that-well said.
---char on 11/3/10


I think that as much respect as we give our earthly fathers by not calling them by their name that we would do the same for our Heavenly Father.

Lord or Father works perfectly fine for me.
---JackB on 11/3/10


The King James version(1611)would come with the letter by the translator stating the difficulty of translating one language to another encouging to study the languages and use judgement.It can be used side by side with the strongs concordance.In Hebraic perspective the meaning pertains to the character of Yahweh-We are not to represent His character falsely.--And they(the koheniym)shall put my name upon the children of Yisrael.Ex3:14-15-Two verbs virtually identical Ehy-eh asher Ehy-eh.Yehovah is from the root letters H-Y-H and H-W-H
Hebrew verb being action-English verb related to time.Defined as-He Exist-He is-I exist-to exist-to be-I will exist-
Bibical Hebrew only has two tenses-perfect and imperfect.English has past-present-future.
---char on 11/3/10


///(YHWH) occurs in Hebrew. ---David8318 on 11/3/10///


Wow--
although there is speculations on this from some scholars
-----to this I agree.
---char on 11/3/10


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Jehovah's name was first restored to the English Bible by William Tyndale. In 1530 he published a translation of the first 5 books of the Bible into English. He included Jehovah's name once, in Ex 6:3. In a note in this edition Tyndale wrote: "Iehovah is Gods name ... Moreover, as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) it is in Hebrew Iehovah."

From this the practice arose among translators to use Jehovah's name in just a few places, but to write 'LORD' or 'GOD' in most places where the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) occurs in Hebrew. This practice was adopted by the translators of the King James Version in 1611, where Jehovah's name occurs only four times, at Ex 6:3, Ps 83:18, Isa 12:2, 26:4.
---David8318 on 11/3/10


The short version of a lengthy study is as follows: the name Jehovah is derived from an erroneous translation of the Hebrew into Latin into German by means of the Masoretic pointing of the 16th Century. The Hebrew YHWH was pointed by the Masoretic Jews with the vowels for the word Adonai. In German the Y of Hebrew is translated as a J. Using the vowels from Adonai with the consonants from YHWH you get the word Jehovah. But combining vowels from one and consonants from another cannot make a correct word, no matter how you slice it.
---Richard on 11/3/10


Jehovah with J sound was a much later translation.

Exodus 3:15 HE disclosed Himself by THE NAME (YHWH),in Original Paleo Hebrew. These were consonants without vowels. Later in the AD Masoteric texts vowels were added(Yahweh).

Kyros & Dominus was used in the BC era Greek Septuagent and later AD Latin Vulgate texts for His Name translated as LORD in English.

Adoni or Elohim is used alot in many Jewish sects to guard His Name from profane in "their theological view" of IT's use.

Halle-u-YAH = Praise God is form of His sacred Name.

We should honor Him in our heart, ask Him for understanding, and use it carefully, but wisely in Love.
---Yochanan on 9/1/09


Yhwh, he God, none else. Yeshuah (Jesus) says: Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I Am. For I am The Lord. I level my life, and I raise it again. I am The Almighty. He that has seen me has seen The Father. And no one always stepped in heaven except he out of heaven came down, the Son of man who from being in the heaven. And Jesus went to them, walking on the sea, and said, Take courage: I am, be not afraid. I am Light to the world. I am from above, I am not of this world: for if you all believe not that I Am, you all will die in your sins. Which of you maligns me of sin? I am the door, by me if anyone enter in, that one will be Saved. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
---Eloy on 8/31/09


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Meira:

There are many of us that know this truth, as you say. Many of us do not get caught up in the "name" game.

As I have mentioned to many on this site, unless you are an ancient Rabbi, there is no way you can know the correct pronounciation of God's name and YHWH is the best we have.

Yah or El were "common use" names for YHWH and are nothing more than portions of the full name. Many Biblical names uses these, such as DaniEL or JeremiYah.

You would be better served to use Adonai or Elohim instead of "yahweh". I prefer the simple "Heavenly Father" or "Abba Father" as Jesus instructed His disciples.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/28/09


YHWH is YESHUAH: Jesus is God.
---Eloy on 8/28/09


GOD the Father's Name is YAHUVEH. The Son, who came in His Father's Name, is YAHUSHUA (a/k/a Jesus Christ). Both Father and Son have the Holy Name of "YAH" in it. YAHUSHUA means "YAH Saves", and that's what YAH (GOD) did through YAHUSHUA. --Gordon

Exactly! Finally, somebody on this blog site knows the truth!
---Meira on 8/26/09


Elohim's name was ceased to be spoken due to the rabbincal decree that it should not be spoken. This practice was carried on by the christians, however it was not YHWH plan. (Ex 9:16, Ps 22:22)

In order not to speak the Elohim's name, it was replaced with Adonai, the vowels were suppose to be the same vowels in YHWH. (the i is not considered a vowel sound in hebrew). This was translated as LORD in English in English bibles.

Another interesting fact is that another word for Lord in Hebrew is Ba'al.

Why all the confusion? If one doesn't know Elohim's name, then he may not recognize He "who comes in the name of YAH". (Lk 13:13, 19:38)
---Meira on 8/26/09


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YHVH is Hebrew for God - the language of God. JHWH is english for God - in the King James.
---Leslie on 8/5/09


His name is representative of who He is. The common pronunciation probably came from the Greek way of saying it through Latin.
The original way is known by the Lord, but there have been arguments even amongst the Jewish sects. Many Gnostic groups claimed that they knew as to which vowels to use.
The "name which is above every name" - John 1:12, 20:31, Romans 10:13-14, Philippians 2:9-10, Colossians 3:17, etc.
p.s. The Lord accepts the following, Yeshua, Jesus, Iesous, Jesu, etc.
---Glenn on 8/4/09


1Cor2...(all of it)
...That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
...But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit:for the Spirit searcheth ALL THINGS,YEA,THE DEEP THINS OF GOD.
...but which the Holy Spirit teacheth,comparing spirtual things with spiritual.
...For who hath know the mind of the Lord,that he may instruct Him?

God placed His Name in the Book of Esther.
Only as an Acrostics in Hebrew.

I myself am only human,don't take my word for it,
By all means...study the Hebrew.
Rely only on the Holy Spirit to teach.

His name:
YHVH
I am that I am.

shalom
---char on 8/4/09


Many Christians claim that scripture is very important to them, yet they care about ancient languages, the septauguint, the Bereans, what the apostles said, dictionary definitions, commentaries, scholars, pastors, etc.

Paul said that he decided to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified. The modern day Christian would rather not do that because all the other languages and academic pursuits offer prestige and status so that they can glorify themselves.

It has been like that for thousands of years, yet Christianity believes that we today know the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10).

The Bereans cared more about what PAUL said than what GOD said, that's why they were searching the scriptures in Acts 17:11.
---more_excellent_way on 7/12/08


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Excellent,
Why do you feel that "I am," (many, by the way, feel the Hebrew more accurately should be rendered "I will cause or prove to be"), should replace the personal name that He gave to Himself?

Through inspiration He had that name recorded in His word the bible almost 7000 times.
---scott on 7/11/08


Thier is no J in the Hebrew language. the J comes from the german translation. The J is actually a Yod which has a Y sound such as in Yah.
---wayne on 7/11/08


Everything before the spirit was given (John 7:39)...

"Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified".

...is not valid New Testament worship.

The Father's "FOREVER" name "I am who I am" (Exodus 3:14) should be used in place of the tetragrammaton.

Do you regard yourself an ancient Hebrew or a Christian?
---more_excellent_way on 7/11/08


Pam,
The Tetragrammaton, or YHWH, (most commonly translated as Jehovah), appears in the original Hebrew text about 7,000 times
---scott on 7/11/08


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How many times did the name "JEHOVAH' OR "IEHOUAH" appear in the original Hebrew Bible?
---pam on 4/26/08


ACLU = Anti-Christ Lawyers Union!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/25/08


GOD the Father's Name is YAHUVEH. The Son, who came in His Father's Name, is YAHUSHUA (a/k/a Jesus Christ). Both Father and Son have the Holy Name of "YAH" in it. YAHUSHUA means "YAH Saves", and that's what YAH (GOD) did through YAHUSHUA.
---Gordon on 4/25/08


I call HIM Father Like My Brother did/does!
Do you call your Earthly fathers by their 1st Names?
IF not, WHY would'nt you Show even More respect for our Father who is in Heaven?
He is Mighty and should be Honored as such!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/24/08


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Glad 2 see people who are interested in God and want to know more about him and his name! The form Jehovah likely to meet with a quicker response from the reader because it is the form that has been "naturalized" into most languages.
The important thing is that we use the name and declare it to others. "Give thanks to Jehovah, you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high."Isaiah 12:4.
---sergio on 4/24/08


hello there. peace of christ.
i read your article about the name jehovah being from martin luter, i saw that in another article, but i forgot what article it was, and i have been looking for it for about 2 months, and now i found yours...can you tell me more clear if the word jehovah was coined by martin luther....this will help me tons....
thanking for you attention to this request..
God bless and have a:
Happy, Holy, Loving, Joyful, Peaceful, Wonderful, Sabbath-Day...Brother James
---Santiago on 4/19/08


Yah is the sound you make if you open you mouth moderately wide and inhale sharply; Weh is the sound if you exhale sharply. God gave Mankind the breath of life and you invoke the literal name of God with every breath you take. So I would suppose the ACLU will be lobbying for federal legislation to make everyone breath exclusively through there noses now.
---Phil_the_Elder on 9/27/07


YHWH or Yahweh (transliteration) is a direct modern English rendering of the Tetragrammaton from Rabbinic Hebrew. Hebrew has no "J" sound. The dominant protestant Hebrew scholarship in the in the 1500s was in Germany because of Martin Luther also because they had an outstand intact Hebrew CODEX. A "J" sound replaced the "Y" sound because you don't begin words with Y in High German. When you move the term from German to English Jehovah is a close phonetic rendering.
---Phil_the_Elder on 3/26/07


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YHWH or Yahweh (transliteration) is a direct modern English rendering of the Tetragrammaton from Rabbinic Hebrew. Hebrew has no "J" sound. The dominant protestant Hebrew scholarship in the in the 1500s was in Germany because of Martin Luther also because they had an outstand intact Hebrew CODEX. A "J" sound replaced the "Y" sound because you don't begin words with Y in High German. When you move the term from German to English Jehovah is a close phonetic rendering.
---Phil_the_Elder on 3/26/07


clark, yes he did, it is interpreted "My God", and to me it means "a light".
---Eloy on 11/1/05


Thanks Daniel for your exhaustive research. It certainly is interesting. I didn't expect such complete historical research!
---joe on 11/1/05


eloy, I read in the NT that your name, or rather the spelling: Eloi means God. Did not Jesus cry out to the Father while He was on the cross: Eloi, Eloi?
---clark on 11/1/05


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part 1: The name Jehovah was nonexistent in the original Hebrew scriptures, but was later introduced in about 1270 A.D. by a Roman Catholic Spanish Monk, named Raymundus Martini, in his book Pugeo Fidei (Dagger of Faith). It is a latinized or anglicized transliteration, for there is no J nor V in the Hebrew alphabet, and likewise in the Greek alphabet there is no letter J.
---Eloy on 11/1/05


part 2: The direction of the Hebrew language is written and read from right to left. And having no vowels, the ancient Hebrews had YHWH for the sacred name of God. And in public dissertation or discourse, the Hebrew word for Lord (Adonai) or God (Elohim, plural of Eloah) was used purposely to prevent taking Gods name in vain.
---Eloy on 11/1/05


part 3: [ref: El-Elohe (God)- Genesis 33:20; Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34. Emmanuel (God with us)- Isaiah 7:14; 8:10; Matthew 1:23. Yah (Lord)- Psalm 68:4. Hallelujah (Hail elu-yah; Hail God; Praise you the Lord. Greek: Alleluia)- Psalm 106:1; Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 19:1]. Martini substituted the sacred term for God with the consonants JHVH (possibly deriving this from the common latin term Jove), he then inserted the vowel points of Adonai or Elohim to contrive the first use of the term Jehovah.
---Eloy on 11/1/05


[Pt.6]I've concluded that Tyndale's "IEHOUAH" was *not* influenced by any German form of "Jehovah"; he easily could have transliterated YHVH (with the vowel points of "Adonay") as IeHoUaH on his own; don't forget that the "I" (with a "Y" sound) later became the letter "J" and that "U" was often substituted for the consonant "V". Later Bibles used 'Iehovah' in varying degrees; though never in all 6000+ occurrances of the Name!
---Daniel on 11/1/05


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[Pt.5]It appears that one P. Galatinus in 1516 in a book written in Latin was the first to use "Iehoua" (Jehova) in print. But others, such as Tyndale, surely knew of the word before this. Exodus 6.3 in Tyndale's Bible reads: "I appeared vnto Abraham Isaac and Iacob an allmightie God: but in my name Iehouah [Wycliffe had "Adonay"] was I not knowne vnto them." (Note use of "v" in "vnto" as I mentioned previously). [CONT.]
---Daniel on 11/1/05


I wrote in ERROR earlier: I should *not* have said "V" didn't exist in Early English! It was actually "U" (which does not exist in the Latin alphabet) that came about later on in English. And once it began to be used, the two were often substituted for each other! Thus we have "vnto" and "vpon" where "V" is used as an initial u-vowel sound, but we also find "euer" and "saue" ("U" being substituted for "V").
---Daniel on 11/1/05


Clarification: When I stated below that I don't think we'll EVER know how to say God's Name, well, that applies only to this earth! When we arrive in heaven as Believers, the angels (if not God Himself) will likely tell us exactly how to say His Name! :-).
---Daniel on 11/1/05


MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE: I made big mistake (I think I'm becoming dyslexic as I grow older!) in my comment about reading Hebrew which SHOULD HAVE BEEN: "Right-to-left" (the opposite of what I wrote below)!!! Daniel
---Daniel on 11/1/05


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[Pt.4]... "giue" or "saue" in them! "U" was both a vowel and as a consonant was pronounced as our "V". "I" was first a vowel and then as a consonant first had our "Y" sound, but became the letter "J". THUS ALL of the names in the Bible you see with a beginning "J" should all be pronounced with a "Y" sound! "Jacob" is really "Yacov" (just like how Germans use their letter 'J').
---Daniel on 10/31/05


[Pt.3]So, 'IeHoVaH' or "IEHOUAH" (as it first appeared in Tyndale's Bible) is how Christians around 1500 only thought the word should be translated! Personally, I don't believe we can (or EVER will) know exactly how to say it. Most likely BOTH 'Yehovah' and 'Yahveh' (or 'Yahweh') are wrong.

For the joy of learning: Did you know that neither "J" nor "V" existed in early English?! That's why you'll find many old books with words such as... [CONT.]
---Daniel on 10/31/05


[Pt.2]into English characters. Reformation Christians who became interested in the Bible's original languages thought we could simply translate the name as written in the Hebrew text. WRONG! Because when the Jews finally started placing vowels into the text, they made sure to use the vowels from the word "Adonai"(Lord) inbetween the "YHVH" consonants: BECAUSE no Jew at that time would EVER say God's name; even IF they knew how!!!
[CONT.]
---Daniel on 10/31/05


Joe, First, I'm still researching this, thank you for asking, as it's led me into all kinds of fascinating facts about our alphabet, Old English books and pronunciation!

[Pt.1]I've re-read your question, and you seem to be asking 'What is the real name of God?' 'Jehovah' is _only_ a poor translation of the original Hebrew, which is actually made up of only FOUR Hebrew consonants: "Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey" read from left-to-right. YHVH (or YHWH) is how we'd transliterate the Hebrew... [CONT.]
---Daniel on 10/31/05


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I read in a book called "Strange facts about the Bible" that the Name Jehovah was coined in 1520. A translator decided to add vowels to JHWH and YHWH in order to make it pronounceable.
---taylor on 10/31/05


I`m told that in fact Jehovah is a German word, constructed in the 1850's.
---mike6553 on 10/31/05


The 4 consonents that make up the tetragrammaton are yod he vah he , there were no written vowels, they were added orally.They took the vowels from Adonai(Lord) and Elohim God) and came up with Yahweh or Jehovah!
---1st_cliff on 10/30/05


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