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Who Divorced As A Christian

How many of you divorced as Christians? Can you share your story? How did you receive Gods forgiveness? How did it grow you? How did your church handle it? Your Pastor? (I am doing a study on the churches response to divorcees)

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Yes you can receive forgiveness. You can even get married again.
Everyone I have discussed this with seems to think God remembers you being married before when God plainly says when He forgives He forgets. Saying you can't get married again is saying God does not forgive. And we know this is not true- God Forgives ALL SIN!!
The whole point is that if /when you get married again, do not commit the sin of divorce again. If you do, then you would be still living in sin.
Only man throws your past in your face, but not God. If a Christian is judging and throwing your past up in your face (like some do here), you might want to question their Christian faith.
MODERATOR: please post this because it is the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.
---miche3754 on 11/3/08

.katavasia, I am a well-doer.

Eloy, there is no description of Saints being well-doers.

What is a "saint"? The Bible says all who have trusted in the blood of Christ to save them is " A Saint". Hagios is the Greek word for Saint. It means separated ones, "holy ones".

Believers are Saints by position not by personal merit. We are not made holy because of what we have accomplished but by what God has accomplished through Jesus Christ.

---kathr4453 on 10/29/08

.katavasia, I am a well-doer. The saint is not the sinner, and the sinner is not the saint: the sheep is not the goat, and the goat is not the sheep: the wheat is not the tare, and the tare is not the wheat: Jesus says, "Every good tree brings forward good fruit, but a corrupt tree brings forward bad fruit. A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Whosoever stays in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no person deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Mt.7:17,18+ I John 3:6,7,9.
---Eloy on 10/28/08

Since sin is the breaking of a law and the christian is not under the law, then how can a Christian be a sinner? I know the answer, but is this Eloy's position?
---Lee1538 on 10/28/08

eloy, are you saying you're not a sinner?

If you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself, and the Truth [Jesus] is NOT IN YOU!
---katavasia on 10/28/08

.kathr4453, We the true born-again saints from God are very accustomed to your kind of sin. Sinner, your common problem is that you do not want to get right, but instead you want to stay in your sin and also receive God's love and blessings, and therefore you try in vain to malign the light from God so you can abide in your darkness and in your sin.

ELOY, What in heavens name are you talking about? I'm a sinner because I rebuked your attitide towards others! Guess there are a lot of sinners here on line....

So now the NEW definition of sin is:

Dis-agreeing with Eloy?
---kathr4453 on 10/28/08

Eloy:- I have no objection to you calling me a sinner,the reason is you do not know me, but you pass judgement, as if you are "The almighty." Look in the mirror and see your own eyes which are the mirror of your soul.You write like a sane man but are you?I guess I shall have to ignore you much to your detriment.
---Mic on 10/28/08

*you speak falsehood because there is no light in you. No one whom is truly born-again sins,...

Why do you suppose St. John stated "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.:? 1 John 1:9-10

And even St. Paul stated "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate". Rom. 7:14-15

And obviously you are no St. Paul or St. John. Suggest that you pick up a good text on Romans or even find a good mentor.
---Lee1538 on 10/28/08

.kathr4453, that is because you are blind by your sin, for many experience my edification and blessing and compassion. You immaturely try to corrupt my holy righteous judgment for a lack of God's perfection, as a child tries in vain to instill guilt into the guiltless parent when the righteous parent is correcting the guilty child, saying, "You don't love me anymore, you are mean, for if you really love me then you would not correct me but instead you would let me say and do whatever I want." But the fact is, Because I care and am full of God's love, I judge and correct rightly: my light shines, and you can either accept it and become blessed, or else not.
---Eloy on 10/28/08

.kathr4453, We the true born-again saints from God are very accustomed to your kind of sin. Sinner, your common problem is that you do not want to get right, but instead you want to stay in your sin and also receive God's love and blessings, and therefore you try in vain to malign the light from God so you can abide in your darkness and in your sin. And this tactic sin of yours never is fruitful, for since the beginning from the false witnesses against Moses up to the desecrating speakers against Christ up to them who malign and blaspheme against every one of us saints from God, your opposing tongue will never succeed, for God is not mocked.
---Eloy on 10/28/08

.markv, Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but if you repent then I would be able to hear you. John 10:4,5.
---Eloy on 10/28/08

Ruth, you speak falsehood because there is no light in you. No one whom is truly born-again sins, but only them unregenerate without Christ like you are sin every day, and also blaspheme Christ and the saints from God, because you abide in darkness rather than the light. By your fruits you are known to be a sinner, for by the fruits a tree is known, and no saint is a sinner and no sinner is a saint.
---Eloy on 10/24/08

Eloy by YOUR fruit..of which I see no LOVE, JOY,PEACE,LONGSUFFERING etc, it appears you have by-passed the cross that is to crucify your self-righteous flesh.

You are still in your sin Eloy!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/08

You are right in one respect, Ginger. Nowhere in scripture do we find where the "church" has the power to dissolve what God has joined together. Jesus says, the two HE has joined together are NO LONGER TWO, but One! Then He commands MAN (including the "church") not to separate what HE has joined together. It matters not how WE define repentance. The scriptures teach us TRUE repentance entails leaving the sin behind, not just confessing it and then continuing in the relationship the Lord identified as "adultery". It is adultery because the original bond has not been severed----by God.
---Cindy on 10/28/08

Eloy, I have been around for a year already and your remarks are really condemning to others. I disagree with Mic and Nicole on matters of doctrine, and disagree with others from the SDA's for the legal law they want others to observe, but you are like no one else. After listening to you for a long time, I am convince you are evil. Very evil person and not like anyone else I have ever met. While some evil man show their evil by murdering others, you show your evil by your condemnation of others spiritually. Some have supported your views which does not suprise me since millions supported Hitler and Jim Jones.
You cannot possibly be one of the "Elect" but someone who is just evil. I will continue to pray for you as others.
---MarkV. on 10/28/08

.mic, there is no shame in my preaching righteous judgment against sinners. As the saying goes: You either get right, or get left. For there is no in between, and no compromise, you are either right or else you are wrong. period. When I rightly judge you, you either accept it or reject it, but my judgment against you is not for me to be humiliated nor accept any guilt nor any fault, none at all, but my righteous judgment which I am commanded to judge stands firm, even as the truth is not corrupt.
---Eloy on 10/28/08

Yes Eloy:-"what you sow you reap"and your statement following tht verse is justification for you to take note.Your judgement of me will be what you sow.I guess humility does not exist in your book.As you Blast "ALL" who come in your way.Peace be with You .
---Mic on 10/27/08

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all of you, the last time I checked there is only One Christ, and none of you are him.
I dont have to ask the church because it is not the church that absolves me of sin it my belief in Christ.
So, since He has fogiven me, then I don't need any forgiveness from any of you. Especially since you have appointed yourselves as God, Jesus, judge and jury.
Scriptures says to beware of those like this.
So you can answer this if you choose, but it is none of you who can or will Judge me. I had this conversation with my Lord and Savior Jesus, He gave me scripture and forgave me. may God bless all of you!!
---ginger on 10/27/08

.mic, There is another saying, "God is not mocked, for whatsoever you sow you will surely reap". Be sure your sin will find you out: sinner, are you ready for your reaping? For we saints from God eagerly pray and beg for Judgment Day, because the end of every wicked blasphemer will be no more: glory to God, for every wicked one will be purged away to be found no more, and we the righteous of God will shine forward brighter than the sun shines forward in it's strength.
---Eloy on 10/26/08

Eloy:In Roman History there is a warning "Beware of the ides of March"can you see the writing on the wall ?March is fast approaching.
---Mic on 10/25/08

1. so you are saying that the scripture is literal? Answer: Only if you are a true believer.

2. That I cannot be forgiven and that God won't allow me to get married again?Answer: Jesus saids Mark 10:12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

3. God did not create us to spend our lives alone. Answer: 1 Corinthians 7:10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband.
---Wal_Rev on 10/25/08

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Ruth, you speak falsehood because there is no light in you. No one whom is truly born-again sins, but only them unregenerate without Christ like you are sin every day, and also blaspheme Christ and the saints from God, because you abide in darkness rather than the light. By your fruits you are known to be a sinner, for by the fruits a tree is known, and no saint is a sinner and no sinner is a saint.
---Eloy on 10/24/08

ruth, I do well every single day, but you do sin every single day: this is one reason why Jesus made a heaven and a hell, one for us saints, and the other for the sinners.
---Eloy on 10/25/08

Frances ... It may have now gone into cyberspace, but I remember the instance, since yuor support drew a condemnation.

But as yuo say maybe it was someone else impersonating him.
---alan_of_UK on 10/25/08


Of course our Lord was being literal - He also told the Samaritan woman she was living with a man who was not her husband (John 4:18). Yes, God will forgive any sin that you have repented for. But you can't marry another man if you were joined as man and wife by God Himself or you will continue in sin, unrepentant. If you think your previous marriage was not a valid marriage before God, then you have to ask the Church to adjudicate the matter - otherwise you risk committing adultery.

May God bless you, and help you carry your cross.
---Luke65 on 10/24/08

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Eloy, maybe someone was using your name and posting on your behalf. So it was not your fault. I did not keep note of it so it has just gone into cyber space.
---frances008 on 10/24/08

Eloy you sin everyday just like everyone else. Get over yourself. Your everyday sin is in judging others. There's a famous qoute from the bible on that one too.
---Ruth on 10/24/08

frances, you may have misconception. If you were in disobedience, then you will be rightly cut by my words of truth: but if you are in righteousness, then you will be blessed by my words of truth. You may post the passage you speak of, and I will elucidate my words to you. It may be that you had a miscomprehension, else my words were meant to correct an error. I do not accept any forgiveness for any righteous word I preach, because the offense taken is meant for the one hurt to repent and become right, and not for the person in error to malign the one speaking truth. The righteousness from God and the innocent need no forgiveness because they have no wrong, but the sinner needs instruction and repentance in order to become right.
---Eloy on 10/24/08

wal rev, please correct me if I am wrong, brother
so you are saying that the scripture is literal on marriage and divorce, and that I as a divorced woman not to mention I have two children from two different men, That I cannot be forgiven and that God won't allow me to get married again?
Lets remember, that I am not a repeat offender either.
I am waiting for the right Godly man that I will spend the rest of my life with.
God did not create us to spend our lives alone. That is why Eve was given to Adam.
We must also consider the scripture where Jesus forgives these offenses.
He also says that we don't have to be offended by them.
---ginger on 10/24/08

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ginger, you continue to blaspheme and bear false witness because your father is not my Father, therefore I am not your brother but rather I am your enemy.
---Eloy on 10/24/08

Eloy, forget it. I have forgiven you. It is just that I am like the Japanese people. If someone once gives me unfair treatment, I will NEVER forget it and will not give them a chance to repeat it. I refer to the time I complimented you and got a slap in the face a couple of months back.
---frances008 on 10/23/08

Eloy>>>you attempt to speak so eloquently and you try to come off as some knowledgeble teacher of the word of God.The problem is that with truly being a Christian you would be bearing GOOD fruit and with you Eloy that is not the case.Quit trying to think that knowing some scripture makes or qualifies you to be Christian.Satan himself knew and could quote scripture but just like him,I wouldn't take his advice and I surely wouldn't take it from you either.When you, Eloy, speak deciet spews from your mouth.Beware fellow posters,of this person ELOY!The Holy Spirit does not manifest himself through ELOY.Read his postings,Click on his name and you can read all of his unsound doctrine.Bye Eloy,I too will pray for you!
---ron on 10/23/08

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness (the world) instead of light (gods truth) 1 John 2:4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Mark10 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.Cor 7:10-12 10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. The true heart hears our lord.Proverbs 13:5 The righteous hate what is false
---Wal_Rev on 10/23/08

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It is best to support each other to do what god commands and there should not be divisions. You are a soldier for or against Christ. Every word of god holds true.. not subject to interpretion out of the way it was written. And, it is quite straightforward if you ask me - if you decide to accept it that is. It will be a bumpy road once you accept him, on the horse we are heavily equipped with armor it is the word of god as the sword, the breastplate of righteousness, which is obedience, and the helmet - the hope of salvation.. And there it is folks profound..and divine truth the armory means there will be a battle, and it is a spiritual battle.
---Wal_Rev on 10/23/08

I am still laughing. Who appointed you judge, jury and executioner?
Certainly NOT God, Why would he give you HIS position, brother?
Like I said, I think it is sad that you have no joy. I laugh because I have the joy of the Lord in my life.
You do not know me nor my heart. But the Lord Jesus Christ does. Like I said before, You can tell a true Christian by the fruit they bare. Do they cause strife? or do they cause joy and happiness to occur?
If you judge by this, it is you who has no light you constantly sow strife and rebuke others for telling the truth. I feel sorry for you and I pray for you because you don't seem to have JOY IN THE LORD!!
---ginger on 10/23/08

eloy, you say a good tree can not bring forth bad fruit.
The WORD says you are not a good tree if you are producing strife.
It is okay if you called me an animal, but I have to tell you that I do not believe in evolution.
God made me!!
God bless you brother!!
---ginger on 10/23/08

.ginger, no humor was posted, therefore your laughter is sin, and no misjudgment is leveled from me, therefore your rebukes are also sin. "Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. This thereupon know, that in final days will be desecrating speakers, slanderers, not lovers of good, mockers, having not the Spirit. For out of the heart the mouth speaks. A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Werefore by their fruits you all will know them. If they have called the Master of the house beelzeboub, how much more them of his household? They do this, for they are not of God."
---Eloy on 10/22/08

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ginger, you err greatly, wrong love and misdirected love makes no one a Christian, for even animals love, protect, feed, and preen each other. But only being born-again from Christ and worshipping him and obeying his Commandments makes a soul Christian, and not vain love without any righteous works of Christ.
---Eloy on 10/23/08

eloy, you are hilarious, LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
Like I said brother, you can give rebuke but you can't take it. Must be the fact that you may still harbor bad feelings from your marraige, who knows. I know God has blessed me because even though you may rebuke me, I still as Jesus commands, Love you. That is after all what Jesus is all about.
And some Christian advice, people think you are harsh because you do not speak with love in your heart.
You cannot follow some of Gods word without following all of it. Show love brother and forgive.
Even though you slap me on one side of my face, I turn and let you slap the other side.
God bless you eloy!!!
---ginger on 10/22/08

Frances, I agree 100%!!!
I have been through it. not once but twice.
So I believe that God did not want me in those relationships or He would not have took me out of them.
Everyone always punishes the woman but what about what God says a man is suppose to do?
God says a man should love his wife even as he loves himself even as he loves God.
If he is not holding up his half then what is a woman suppose to do? sit there and just get beat to death? God did not make a woman to be beneath her husband. He made here to stand beside him as his help mate. Not to be abused but to be loved. That is how a married man shows love of God, by loving his wife.
---ginger on 10/22/08

Loving good and hating evil makes you a Christian. You have to love the sinner but hate the sin. It is better to be divorced than be abused in marriage. Some people just marry to 'get' a partner and after that their behaviour changes because they think the partner will not leave them no matter how badly treated.
---frances008 on 10/22/08

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Ginger ... He has.

Faith ... I have heard a similar story ... a lady discovered her husband was abusing (in the worst possible way) their daughters.

The church refused to beleive her. because he was a man, and thus head of the household who could do no wrong

When it was all confimed by the girls and the marriage broke up, it was she who was asked to leave the church.

This was one of those extra-evangical churches that condemn the RCC for the priests who err, but protects their own incestuous paedophiles.
---alan_of_UK on 10/22/08

frances, perhaps you have a misunderstanding, so how do you think that I "attacked" you?
---Eloy on 10/22/08

.ginger, you are not my sister, for your father is Not my Father. I judge righteous judgment. It is unpossible and sin to rebuke the righteous, for God is not mocked and he takes perfect care of his children: and therefore every tongue that rises against me is condemneded, and as you kick against the prickles it will always be onto the condemning of your own soul. ginger, since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood. You speak falsehood, because there is no light in you. And until you get saved, instead of the truth you will hear what you desire to hear, and believe what you desire to believe, and say whatever you desire to say.
---Eloy on 10/22/08

.ron, many unregenerate find the words of truth hard to believe, because they are not of God and have no Spiritual discernment: but how blessed are those who receive my words from truth.
---Eloy on 10/22/08

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I asked just to get a feel for if you even know what marriage is. And if you have not ever been married then how can you ever answer this question? That is why I asked.

Brother, I truly question your sincerity for God.
Quoting scripture does not make you a Christian. Love makes you a Christian, and so far I have not seen any of that in your posts.
I am not rebuking you or anything, this is just what I have observed in your posts.
There is a coldness to what you say that should not exist in a Christian.
God bless you!
---ginger on 10/22/08

My ex and I were married for 10 years. Everything was great, then, one day, my ex starts telling me about other women. He began calling me names and about 6 months before we separated, he became physically abusive. Regardless of the way I was treated, I wouldn't have divorced him because I didn't feel it was right. It took a while for me to forgive myself even after God forgave me. The church I attended asked me to leave which hurt even worse. I have grown stronger in my beliefs through this and have become more compassionate to those who have been dealt this hand. We shouldn't sit in judgment over people because of something that has happened in their lives. We don't know the circumstances surrounding it. We just need to pray for them.
---Faith on 10/22/08

.ginger, why do you ask? "For there solitaries, which thus born from the mother's womb, and there singles, that made by mankind, and there singles, that have abstained themself for the realm of heaven: he that may take, take he." Matthew 19:12.
---Eloy on 10/22/08

eloy, I have read many of your post. I appreciate the knowledge of God's word that you bring.
I have seen a pattern brother that is not Christian.
You steady rebuke other Christians and expect them to receive it. But You refuse to be rebuked.

God's advice
Bridle the tongue because it is the most sinful and wicked part of the body.

Humble yourself before the Lord.

Judge not least ye be judge as you judge others.

Watch yourself that you do not become puffed up.
Self Control.

Brother, if you cannot receive as you dish it out then don't dish it out at all.
I see a pattern of the pharisee in you and that is dangerous.

But, I still bless you as my brother in Christ and lift you up in prayer!!
---ginger on 10/22/08

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Eloy>>>I simply find it hard to believe that you are anything but a member of some cult or some other miscontrunement of the word of God.The truth does not come from your advice.It is always misquoted scripture,scripture taken out of context or some really way off doctrine that you toss around out here to people looking for sound spiritual advice.Gotta tell you Eloy,you are not the one to get it from and it doesn't matter whether you recieve what I say or is fact and we all can see that.
---ron on 10/21/08

Eloy you are now speaking for God, so why do you sometimes attack me? I think we agree on a lot.
---frances008 on 10/21/08

eloy, may I ask, are you now or have you ever been married?
---ginger on 10/21/08

Many unregenerate lack discernment today, and think that Christians should wrongfully edify sin, rather than rightly rebuke it and rightly edify righteousness: "Jesus Commands, Judge righteous judgment. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations. If you all love me, my commandments keep. Whosoever sins, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, has not God. If there come any to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into house, neither tell him welcome. For he that tells him welcome is partaker of his evil deeds." John 7:24+ Luke 24:47+ John 14:15+ II John 9-11.
---Eloy on 10/20/08

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.ron, I will always be out there, not solely because He Commands me, but moreso because it is my compassion and my will and my life to do all for my King. He lives in me, and I live in Him. And since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but if you repent then I would be able to hear you. John 10:4,5.
---Eloy on 10/20/08

.rebeccad, My words are His words. Would you like me to purchase and send you a "whole" Bible, so that you can confirm that my words are indeed my Lord's words? I would be happy too, just let me know. rebeccad, I pray that you will get saved so that you can be translated from the kingdom of sin and darkness into the kingdom of righteousness and light.
---Eloy on 10/20/08

Eloy>>>are you still out here?Why is it that every post you are associated with you end up alienating the person seeking help or asking a reasonable question?I have followed your name around this blog and read your misquotations and scriptual references that are so out of context they make no sense.You should do yourself and everyone out here a favor and get yourself into a good bible study at a good bible based church and attend,take the cotton out of your ears,put it in your mouth,learn some solid doctrine and then come back and try to EDIFY someone with your reply.What cult did you learn your scripture from????
---ron on 10/19/08

Eloy: Okay one last statement to you. Are those your words or God's words? Because I have read the bible and I found out that the statements that you quoted is not scripture word for word. What you quoted is small scriptures from the bible putting it all together to make one big large scripture. I understand what your saying but, if you're going to quote scripture then quote the whole passage and not bits and pieces of small passages to make one large scripture. You might confuse the babes in Christ.
---Rebecca_D on 10/18/08

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.rebeccad, My heart is born-again, but yours is not.
---Eloy on 10/18/08

Eloy: It has come to the point, where you should live your life the way you want to and believe how you want to, and I will believe and live my life by the word of God. We can agree that we disagree and leave it at that. Because you are hard-headed and the truth can't come in, when your head and heart is hard. So let's drop it because I'm tired of agruing with you on the truth. I only hope that you open your heart and let God's love melt the coldness you have toward others before it is too late. Peace be unto you.
---Rebecca_D on 10/17/08

God hates divorce, but some people get married, break wed-lock, then get married again, and again break wed-lock, then get married again, and again break wed-lock. There is one woman whom has "solemnly vowed to God to remain married till death" even 9 times in a row. After walking down the aisle again for her 3rd time she should have felt some compunction for her charade and abuse. God does not wink at sin, and neither should the church. The message stands, and is always the same: Repent, Give up the world, Get Right with God, then I God will receive you and bless you: the message is Not, Sin some more, Continue being of the world, Stay separate from God, then I God will receive you and bless you, no, not at all.
---Eloy on 10/17/08

rebeccad, As I said before, I care not about your misjudgments. You continually misjudge the saint as sinner, because you yourself are in sin and you wrongly think that all others are in sin like you are. Therefore in vain you project your own unregenerate condition and secular values against the holy and righteous of God. You cannot, nor can any flesh, succeed in opposing us sanctified saints of dunamis and real born-again Christians from God, for all whom ever tried have always lossed.
---Eloy on 10/17/08

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alanOfUk, yes, it is interesting, the suffix "-uous" for "sin" and the suffix "-eous" for "right" are similar, however I find "righteous" to be much more interesting then "sinuous".
---Eloy on 10/17/08

Eloy: I find it hard to believe that you are so Christ-like with the way you speak to people. We can argue all we want and dis each other all day long, but we both know I'm right. So do yourself a favor and God a favor by excepting the truth on what God says and believes and not what you "think is right". My heart is hard? That's new. I'm not the one who said that my heart is cold toward others but yet on fire for God like you had said. Sounds like not only do you have a cold heart but it has turned to stone because of all your bitterness. The truth shall set you free, but only if you accept the truth.
---Rebecca_D on 10/16/08

Eloy ... mine was from Websters Miriam

Looking at Websters 1913 ... "Sin"u*ous (?), a. [L. sinuosus, fr. sinus a bent surface, a curve: cf. F. sinueux. See Sinus.]

Bending in and out, of a serpentine or undulating form, winding, crooked."

Since everything else is about shape, I assume so is "crooked", & not about behaviour.

I can't yet look at Websters 1913 for "sin" because "crawling" of the site is prohibited

This is turning into an interesting and informative discussion!
---alan_of_UK on 10/16/08

alanOfUk. on the contrary I am right. From Webster's dictionary: Sinuous, adjective. 2) devious, crooked, not straightforward or honest. Alan, from the beginning sinuous meant "without rule". Etymologically from the greek word "yegadi" (psegadi)- meaning, "fault", "blemish": which comes from the hebrew, "sheqer", meaning "wrongful". And as well as "sinuous" coming from the word "sin", the english word "sinister" also comes from the same word "sin", and etymologically sinister means, "left", the opposite of right.
---Eloy on 10/16/08

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Eloy ... I think you may be mistaken.

These are the derivations of the two words from Websters

Sinuous ...Etymology: Latin sinuosus, from sinus

Sin ... Etymology: Middle English sinne, from Old English synn, akin to Old High German sunta sin and probably to Latin sont-, sons guilty, est is
---alan_of_UK on 10/15/08

alne Of Uk, "sinuous" comes from "sin", just as "righteous" comes from "right". And sinuousness is the exact opposite of righteousness, one is crooked and the other is straight.
---Eloy on 10/15/08

.rebeccad, You mock the Holy Spirit and are tired of hearing the words from truth because you are not saved yet. You are still in your unregenerate flesh and are no part of the body of Christ. Instead you blaspheme the sanctified of God, and any preacher whom tells you the Word, you mock because your heart is hard, and you bear false-witness against the righteous. rebeccad, you whom are deluded into thinking that smoking is no sin, and that God only looks upon the sensual heart requiring no one to obey his Commands nor requires no works at all, and winks at your blasphemy when he commands you to repent and to be holy, are self-condemned. Even as Paul kicked against the prickles onto hurting his own self.
---Eloy on 10/15/08

Eloy .. You can teach us Eloy ... does "sinuous" come from the smae root as "sin"?

My dictionary does not give the derivation of both.
---alan_of_UK on 10/14/08

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Eloy: Unless you know the definition of a word, you shouldn't accuse someone of being that of which you said. Definition of Sinuous: has many curves or turns, winding. Sentence for example: That stream is sinuous. Definition of Saved: To set free from the consequences of sin. Sentence for example: The Lord saved me and set me free from my sins. So to your comment you made to me, I am not sinuous, and I am saved. Again when a person speaks the truth to you or about you, you have nothing to say except telling they need to get saved. That is childish. Definition of childish: Indicating a lack of maturity. Sentence for example: People are so tired of your childish ways. Is anyone saved in your little world Eloy or are you the only one?
---Rebecca_D on 10/13/08

.rebecca, until you get saved, you are sinuous.
---Eloy on 10/13/08

Eloy: You try and try to force your beliefs onto other people and when they reject your beliefs, you get upset and start becoming childish. You can't take it when someone tells you the actual truth about God's word. You tell us Christians that we are not saved and we need to repent. I'm sorry but I won't repent over telling someone the truth. You don't want ANYONE, probably not even God telling you what you're doing wrong because you don't want to change. In your eyes everything is fine between you and the Lord. I don't have to know you to discern your spirit. Until you repent to the Lord from the things you have said to others, you'll not get any closer to God. You will stay bitter with a cold heart, as you stated you have.
---Rebecca_D on 10/10/08

.rebeccad, there you again, dissing the Truth. I do not force anybody into salvation, you either choose it for yourself, or else you continue to stay in your sins.
---Eloy on 10/9/08

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The Government in the UK had to wake up to the Strong message of smoking not only can but does Kill and they were not prepared to carry the bill.

If Your body is the temple of the living God there would be No compromising with worldly Lusts.... You cannot serve God and the devil.
---Carla3939 on 10/9/08

Ralph Wrote:
">>But a foreign transplant already here and established might be worth consideration. Nothing wrong with a 40-something guy marrying a 20-something woman.<<"
Actually, there is a nice Chineese or Korean woman at my church, and she is in her 30's which is closer to my age. She plays guitar in the worship band and as such does not come to the singles group, so I really have no chance of meeting her. I like younger mostly because that means never married, but I would not rob the cradle for a 20 something.
---obewan on 10/9/08

Eloy: There you go again, avoiding the truth. When someone tells the truth to you or about you, you start dissing them by telling them they need to get saved. So childish to do that. The good thing is, I don't have to answer to you or anyone else but God. And as long as my conscience is clear, there isn't anything you or anyone else can do or say to condemn me. So why don't you do us all a favor even God, and just GROW UP.
---Rebecca_D on 10/9/08

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