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Catholics Believe Mary Was Sinless

Do Catholics really believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was born without sin?

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Yep...you are so right Helen...I am a girl!! I didn't even catch that in Mima's post. Being referred to as a guy should be the worst thing that ever happens to me! :-)
---Holly4jc on 8/29/07


I stand by my posts and do not recant. I stand on the Word of God.
---Holly4jc on 8/29/07


Stranger than Fiction.Christians believe that they are full of the holy spirit convinced to the point of no return .yet when the Holy spirit descends on Mary who is pure they do not believe.yet they( christians) say they are sinners if so which spirit are we talking about? The spirit that defies God is Satan. why would the Holy Spirit speak against Himself?.The Father Son & Holy Spirit are ONE.who then is this spirit who permeates Mankind, are they those Who PROTEST.Its delusion not solution.
---Emcee on 8/29/07


Holly-No Ruben...I am using the Word of God.



No, Holly you are using your interpretation of the word of God! Why is your interpretation the correct one? Who gave you the authorithy on scriptures?
---Ruben on 8/29/07


Holly-No Ruben...you are using logic saying Mary is without sin...the bible, the living WORD of God, Jesus, does not say it.


Since you mention Jesus: The printed press was not invented untill the 1400's, if Jesus wanted us to go by the Word of God(Bible), why did he wait so long?
---Ruben on 8/29/07




Andrea,Mima,Holly-: You are so right...the reason the Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah is that He did not come in the manner THEY were expecting and did not do WHAT they were expecting, according the to "wisdom" of man. God rarely does things the way man thinks it should be done.


You are so right about that and you even tell Jesus that it has to be in a book(bible), even though Jesus never gave instructions to the apostles that the Christian Faith has to be in a book(Bible).
---Ruben on 8/29/07


Holly-I'm sorry Lorra...but I am not using tradition, that is the RCC's thing


Then you are going against scriptures :Passage 2 Thessalonians 2:15:

" So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the (traditions) which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours. "


So Holly who is really going by the bible?
---Ruben on 8/29/07


Holly, Jeremiah 1:5 shows that the Prophets are sanctified and ordained by God to their ministries before they are formed in the womb - conception. The Angel addresses Mary in a way that is only used for those Christians who have already been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb (made accepted in the Beloved) - Luke 1:28 compared to Ephesians 1:6. Mary also acknowledges Jesus as her savior who has done great things for her, before He has "saved" anyone.
---lorra8574 on 8/29/07


Holly P2: The stone tablets merely touched by God had to be carried in a special box carefully prepared. One man steadied the box as it rocked during travel and was struck down by God - if something touched by God requires such care, do you not think that a human vessel for the Word Made Flesh would require greater care? Based upon the Bible alone, there is no way that the vessel formed by God to be the mother of the Incarnate Word could be formed any less than perfect and free from all sin or defect.
---lorra8574 on 8/29/07


Holly P3: What I have said does not make Mary a goddess, for I have never denied that God created her. He is the potter and is free to form His pots as He wills. And if anyone can make a perfect human being - it is Almighty God.
---lorra8574 on 8/29/07




Ok, even if The Blessed Mother was born into sin, like everyone else. The fact remains when the angel came to her and the Holy spirit came upon her and overshadowed her....would you even think then that God had prepared her at that moment in time to be perfect before His Son was put in her womb?
either way at conception or at the overshadowing.....her sin was taken away.
It is only fitting for Jesus who was sinless to be inside a perfect body of His mother.
---Lisa on 8/29/07


Ruben. Excellent point. The canon was completed long after the beginning of church. Presumably the Holy Spirit guided the choice. But maybe not, since Luther removed several, and would have removed even more if he could have. The word the apostles and others taught in the early church was not scripture as we know itit was repetition of the oral teachings/letters of others.
---sherry on 8/29/07


Mima - I think Holly4jc is a girl Mima. :-)
---Helen_5378 on 8/29/07


No Ruben...you are using logic saying Mary is without sin...the bible, the living WORD of God, Jesus, does not say it.

Mario: Great point!

Andrea: You are so right...the reason the Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah is that He did not come in the manner THEY were expecting and did not do WHAT they were expecting, according the to "wisdom" of man. God rarely does things the way man thinks it should be done.

Mima: Thanks for your support!
---Holly4jc on 8/29/07


1) You demand that Mary be sinful to fit your tradition, not the scriptures.
---lorra8574 on 8/28/07

I'm sorry Lorra...but I am not using tradition, that is the RCC's thing, I go by the scriptures and if you can show me one scripture that states in PLAIN ENGLISH without added opinions and suppositions that Mary was sinless...well then I too will believe. But the bible does not say it so it is part of the traditions of man.
---Holly4jc on 8/29/07


2) I believe in scripture, not man's traditions or made up doctrine. If I wanted to live by man's traditions I could have remained in the Jewish faith. But the Lord says "come out from among her" and I did.
---Holly4jc on 8/29/07


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No Ruben...I am using the Word of God.
---Holly4jc on 8/29/07


Holly::This was not the wisdom of man as you state It is the prophecy of Almighty God In Gen3:15 which you refuse to accept.Your quote 1Cor3:19 deals with the division with the church in Corinth in those days,as Paul says in the same verse "It catches the wise in their craftiness."You are using the word of Paul to condemn the word of God this does not happen in "the word"Its a demonic ploy.
---Emcee on 8/29/07


Holly::This was not the wisdom of man as you state It is the prophecy of Almighty God In Gen3:15 which you refuse to accept.Your quote 1Cor3:19 deals with the division with the church in Corinth in those days,as Paul says in the same verse "It catches the wise in their craftiness."You are using the word of Paul to condemn the word of God this does not happen in "the word"Its a demonic ploy.
---Emcee on 8/29/07


Lisa - one of the reasons the Jews couldn't believe Jesus was there Messiah (God)was bc they didn't think GOD WOULD LET HIS SON BE NAILED TO A CROSS for their sins.

Hbr 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet was without sin.
He came to suffer the indignation of our humanity to live and die in a body like ours - yet without sinning - only Christ is without sin
---Andrea on 8/29/07


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---Holly4jc has offered some very excellent reasoning points of view here in his latest answer to this question.
---Mima on 8/29/07


When the shepards looked over the lambs to find the one without blemish to present to the priest for further inspection, they pulled lambs from many litters and the mother of these lambs were not without blemish, but they MAY produce one without blemish. The Word says All men are sinners and fall short of the Glory of God. Don't you think Paul, and Peter, James, and John the Revelator would have expounded more on the holiness and sinlessness of Mary if it were true? Instead of NOT MENTIONING HER?
---tony on 8/29/07


Holly-You are using the wisdom and logic of man to try and reason and explain what you believe God would or would not do.


But are you not using the same wisdom?
---Ruben on 8/29/07


Holly-So... Mormons started and all the other cults?

As for me...I will serve the Lord and use HIS Word as my truth.


Holly that is why Jesus left us a Church:Passage 1 Timothy 3:15:
"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, (the pillar and foundation of the truth."). If not than we have what we get today, to use your quote As for me...(I will serve the Lord and use HIS Word as my truth.)
---Ruben on 8/29/07


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Holly-So...if it is that important to God, reason and logic would say that God would NEVER allow such sinful people to be relatives of Jesus or be in His bloodline, but God says HIS ways are NOT our ways


It is also logic to say God would not want his Son to be born to a person with sin! So by the Grace of God Mary was born without sin...
---Ruben on 8/29/07


Alan of UK...my priority is that which God lays on my heart and God has given me a heart to share the Truth of His Word with the Catholics, not the Jews, Mormons, JW's, etc. at this point in time. For now, this is what burns within me, not of my own doing, but of God's. If God changes that, so be it, I will follow wherever He leads. Why are missionaries drawn to only a particular county? God lays that on their heart and it burns within them.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


Holly, you missed the point - I was NOT saying that righteous people are sinless, I was pointing out that the Bible states that NONE are Righteous, NOT ONE. Yet, some are.
---lorra8574 on 8/28/07


Holly, I would also ask why you exclude Jesus from the "all" who have sinned? In Matthew 19:17, Jesus suggests that we should not call Him good as only the Father in Heaven is good - again "none" shows up.

I would agree that Jesus is both good and sinless, but neither is possible by your strict interpretation.

You demand that Mary be sinful to fit your tradition, not the scriptures.
---lorra8574 on 8/28/07


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Lorra...they were considered righteous by their faith,they still had sinned during their lifetimes,they were not perfect. God never said they were sinless. So you are saying that the "all" in "all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God" is everyone except Mary. Now that's a stretch. Besides, to be called righteous means you are in right standing with God, not that you never sinned. And we are in right standing with God because we are the righteousness of God IN Christ Jesus.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


1) Lisa wrote: God wouldn't put His Divine Son in an impure body? The blessed Mother of the Lord was made for the sole purpose:to bring forth the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of God, who is perfect-without stain. Therefore, it would be fitting that His Mother is the same.

You are using the wisdom and logic of man to try and reason and explain what you believe God would or would not do.

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


2)
Isaiah 55: 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

And I suppose God would NEVER have a prostitute in the blood-line of Jesus either? Rahab was a prostitute. David was a murderer and adulterer and the list goes on.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


3) All of these sinful people are in Jesus's bloodline and we all know just how important the "Blood" is to God. The "Blood" is what saves us, sets us free and pays our debt of sin. So...if it is that important to God, reason and logic would say that God would NEVER allow such sinful people to be relatives of Jesus or be in His bloodline, but God says HIS ways are NOT our ways.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


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Ruben stated: where does it say in the Bible, if it is not in scriptures it is not true?

So...we can just believe any old thing then? Any book written, any person that comes along and claims they have a new revelation that is not in the bible, who cares if it is in the bible...sounds good to them...hey...isn't that how the Mormons started and all the other cults?

As for me...I will serve the Lord and use HIS Word as my truth.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


Lisa:::You are 100% correct would there were morelike you, who are bold enough to make that declaration.Then will the truth echo & reecho through the corridors of this forum, & speads like wild fire in all Continents.
---Emcee on 8/28/07


God wouldn't put His Divine Son in an impure body?The blessed Mother of the Lord was made for the sole purpose:to bring forth the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of God, who is perfect-without stain.
Therefore, it would be fitting that His Mother is the same. For how could she feed her baby in her womb from her own blood and flesh if it was sinful? Wake up! Why the Mother of the Lord is so Blessed and Hailed by the Angel of God is clear. Her sin was taken away.
---Lisa on 8/28/07


Holly- Since the bible says ALL have sinned, she is part of that all. There is nothing written about Peter's childhood, so could it be that he was without sin also


All means "all", does that includes babies, Jesus. If Peter gave birth to the saviour than yes, he was born without sin by the grace of God!
---Ruben on 8/28/07


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Holly-
Ruben: I have not added anything to what the scriptures say...the scriptures DO NOT say Mary is without sin, that has been added by the RCC.



where does it say in the Bible, if it is not in scriptures it is not true?

Where in the New testament do the apostles tell us that the christian faith will be base on a book?

Where in the bible does it provide a list of the canonical books of the NT?
---Ruben on 8/28/07


Holly, when the Bible says "all", this does not necessarily mean "all" the way you interpret it. For example, the Bible also states that none are righteous, no not one - from Romans 3:10 (same chapter as your example). Yet the Bible gives examples of men who were righteous.

Noah - Gen 7:1
Abel - Hebrews 11:4
Many more not specifically named by called as righteous.

Clearly, hyperbole is the word of the day.
---lorra8574 on 8/28/07


Andrea:: How can I point to what I dont Know as far as I know you are without sin but prone to sin by human frailty.:-)
---Emcee on 8/28/07


ReallyAndrea::you have the cutest way of being wrong."Born without sin is being God" What God makes is sinlessViz Jn the BaptistMary but they were made for HIS purpose even A & E .But this I give you we are required To be PerfectIn the eyes of God"let us make man to our image & likeness"are we Gods?If your husband says You are perfect is he calling you His God or Goddess.Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.EG.when accessed as a perfect 10.
---Emcee on 8/28/07


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Holly4ic ... Your point is taken, and I accept you do not participate in blogs where other errors and false doctrine is discussed.
Your priority is noted.
---alan_of_UK on 8/28/07


I cant understand why anyone would "want" Mary to be sinless. She may or may not have been, no one knows. We merely speculate. I would argue only that her being sinless as lorra suggests, at the behest of God, for the purpose of being a sinless vessel for Jesus makes emminent sense. Logic is one important clue in truth, not the only one, but one.
---sherry on 8/28/07


Emcee- for ALL have sinned and fallen short.....
and original sin is a Catholic doctrine.
You don't know my specific sins BUT you would gladly point out that I am a sinner.
love ya.
---Andrea on 8/28/07


1) The bible does say that ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. There is very little written about Mary, nothing at all about her childhood and even very little between her giving birth to Jesus and His death on the cross. Since the bible says ALL have sinned, she is part of that all. There is nothing written about Peter's childhood, so could it be that he was without sin also?
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


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2) The very same reasoning could be made of Peter...or John the Baptist...even Jesus said there was none born of women greater than John (that includes Mary, John was greater than her and born after her). Was he also sinless? No...he is also part of the "ALL". Just because the bible does not describe Mary's childhood, it does not mean that we can make one up for her. She needed a Savior just like everyone else. We only need a savior because we have sinned. Period.
---Holly4jc on 8/28/07


VIN::You are so sure mary sinned. Pray tell this forum what sin she committed & back up your statenent with proof biblical or otherwise. ( Warning do not bear false witness.)
---Emcee on 8/27/07


Vin, when and how did Mary sin? I agree that it would not be a big deal if it were so. But if Mary was truly the mother of Jesus, the Son of God, then it was necessary that she be free from sin and it would be a terrible insult to accuse her of something she did not do.
---lorra8574 on 8/28/07


"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Psalms 51:5)

anyone born without sin must be God
---Andrea on 8/27/07


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Andrea, so you deny original sin, therefore all young children are sinless - does that make them gods?
---lorra8574 on 8/27/07


Ruben: I have not added anything to what the scriptures say...the scriptures DO NOT say Mary is without sin, that has been added by the RCC.
---holly4jc on 8/27/07


Alan of UK: That's because we are only discussing Catholic doctrine on this blog. I would say that same thing about the false teachings of the Mormons, JW's or any cults that have lies from the devil woven into their doctrine. But, this blog is not about others, we are only discussing Catholic doctrine. I would also say that the lie that Jesus is NOT the Messiah the Jews throughout history have been waiting for is also a lie from the pit of hell...and I can say that because I am of Jewish background.
---Holly4jc on 8/27/07


Mary sinned. What is the big deal? Everyone has sinned, except one man and His name was Jesus. He still is Jesus, but He is no longer a mere man. End of story. But why don't I think it's really the "end of story"? Because some want to lift Mary up so she appears to be spotless, without blemish. A shinning light that no one can look upon. I was a Catholic, so I know how it works. Just follow Christ and His example, because "He was without sin".
---Vin on 8/27/07


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Andrea, ..... protestants .. deny original sin and .. must believe their infants are completely sinless .....reason, .. none would tell you that their children are little "gods" (angels may be).
---lorra8574 on 8/27/07

I'm the PROT your Catholic
original sin is RCC doctrine "right" if I'm wrong tell me. Isn't that why you baptize babies - so they don't go to hell.

if RCC doctrine is correct - Mary would need to be God to be sinless - thats what they've done!
---Andrea on 8/27/07


Holly-Ruben: God knows I am telling the truth and that's all that matters, since He is the one I have to answer to. I do pray and ask God if I am wrong to please tell me, because I do not want to sin or offend God, but the Holy Spirit has not convicted me of anything and I am very familiar with His conviction, because I have experienced it quite a bit when I did something out of God's will and immediately repented.


Again why is your interpretation of scriptures correct?
---Ruben on 8/27/07


Holly4ic I know all that, (Did you read what I had said to Emcee?)
So why do you not say that any of the other things are lies from the pits of hell?
As I asked, why reserve that condemnation for Catholic teaching?
That was the point I was trying to make
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/07


Emcee ... # 1 There is nothing in the historical record of the Gospel writers to indicate that Mary was anything but an ordinary girl, until Gabriel spoke to her.
Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, John the Baptist and his parents, and Joseph none of them ever indicated that she was sinless, neither did Jesus Himself
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/07


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Emcee ... 2 Of course if she had been sinless, she would have known that she was, by comparison with the behaviour of her contemporaries.
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/07


Emcee ... 3 Of course, had she been, she would not necessarily have know what her role was to be, but she would have known it was something special, and her response to Gabriel would have been something like "I knew I was specially destined, but you astound me with the honour you now tell me about"
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/07


Emcee ... #4 The Magnificat however gives no suggestion that she had previously known she was special in any way.
No Emcee, I am not searching for any loophole at all, because your argument is totally unconvincing (to me, at any rate) and I don't need a loop-hole to escape from it.
Now, of course, I don't KNOW, and she MAY have been sinless, which is why I do not say it is a lie from the pits of hell (!!)
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/07


Andrea::You have never said a truer word yet inadvertantly.God has made us to His image & likeness Gen.1:26He says "nothing defiled enters heaven"-He reiterates "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect" He does call us to be gods & worthy to share His kingdom.Is that not why we were created?- To know Him,love serve Him in this world And be happy with Him Foreever in the next.I'd love to shake your hand there too.
---Emcee on 8/27/07


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Holly:If you sincerely meant what you said to Ruben then youi would acknowledge Jesus Church Mat16:17-19 as that is HIS WORD.dont use His words to justify your action as it is condemnation against yourself "Those not with me are against me"
---Emcee on 8/27/07


Andrea, there are many protestants who deny original sin and therefore must believe that their infants are completely sinless until they reach the age of reason, yet none would tell you that their children are little "gods" (angels may be).
---lorra8574 on 8/27/07


Marcia, Catholics do not believe that Mary "merited" her sinless state any more than we "marit" salvation. We believe that because God chose her to be the mother of Jesus, He made prevented her from becoming tainted by sin in order to be able to conceive and bear the Divine. Just as nothing impure can enter Heaven, there is nothing to suggest that something pure can inhabit something stained by sin.

Not even the stone tablets of the Decalogue could be carried in ordinary sacs.
---lorra8574 on 8/27/07


Emcee - I hope your faith does not get shaken if you thought Mary was just a young girl - chosen of God. Like David, Samuel, John the Baptist.

someone mentioned:

If Mary was sinless she would have been God!
---Andrea on 8/27/07


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Holly: I dont care what you believe but you are stating what you believe not what you know. You cannot show proof of things spiritual, they are beliefs. Nobody enjoys someone saying "you're wrong". I just object to the arrogant self-righeous attitude.
---Sherry on 8/27/07


Alan of Uk::#1Seems you do not agree that Gods WILL, will be done.Time is not the element,when God concieves it's perfect "no sin"He is God.#2the introduction of "the woman"in Gen3,15 is not, man made or RCC fabricated it is Gods word.History shows that truth supported by prophecies in the OT,by an Angel Messenger of God who calls her Blessed.only one in doctrine confirming Gods prophecy of "The woman"when God created A & E they were sinless,why not Mary?
---Emcee on 8/26/07


Alanof UK::#3if she had known from her birth then there would be no need of an Angel from Heaven besides the second part of the prophecy 'I will put enmity'ie separate her from You-distance, so satan was not aware who the eve 2 would be except that she would bear HIS seed.Your disagreement from me is also contained in that same prophecy enmity or distance between your seed & her seed causing you to agree with H & H.Sorry friend I cannot concur.
---Emcee on 8/26/07


Alan of UK:Does anyone know from their birth what they will be & what is their Purpose,so why should Mary know ?Are you searching for loopholes or convinced.
---Emcee on 8/26/07


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Alan of UK, Jesus said if you are not for me, you are against me. So...any teaching that is not from Jesus is from Satan...there is only lightness and darkness in this world. Jesus is the light, anything else is darkness and from Satan. We are not to add things to the Word of God, anything that is added is from satan, since the bible is complete as written. Satan is the father of lies, so anything added is a lie.
---Holly4jc on 8/26/07


Ruben: God knows I am telling the truth and that's all that matters, since He is the one I have to answer to. I do pray and ask God if I am wrong to please tell me, because I do not want to sin or offend God, but the Holy Spirit has not convicted me of anything and I am very familiar with His conviction, because I have experienced it quite a bit when I did something out of God's will and immediately repented. I am filled with His peace.
---Holly4jc on 8/26/07


Correction...I meant to type Jesus is the 2nd Adam...not the 1st. My bad!
---Holly4jc on 8/26/07


Holly-1) Sherry...I don't hate Catholics at all, I just hate the lies and false teachings. I long to see Catholics come to the knowledge of the truth and come out from the lies and deception.


How do we know you are telling the truth?
---ruben on 8/26/07


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"augusta - if you choose to believe Mary was sinless - I believe things - (rightly and wrongly). Fine.
There is no Biblical evidence for the immaculant conception - it is papal error.
Not bc he believed it but bc he says it is scriptural.
---Andrea on 8/26/07"


Andrea, I believed Mary was sinless when I was a sola scripturist protestant, so the papacy didn't play a role in my beliefs on the matter.
---augusta on 8/26/07


SherrY
("I stated catholic doctrine--I did not say I agreed with it BTW". )

Sherry why would u qoute false doctrine if u don't believe it? That was very contentous.
We should alway seek to edify others with our speech.
---Marcia on 8/26/07


SherrY("marcia. Thats a lousy translation of Hebrews IMO, but its fine. I don't see you point (...)"?)


Once you mature in the Spirit you will be able to make spiritual connection don't worry.

("She was undeniably graced by God in a unique way.")

She and a millions others, God does not discriminate on the basis of merit. We all have an assignment. Mary completed her assignment just as Abraham and Joesph the son of Jacob did.
---Marcia on 8/26/07


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