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I wonder how many people have been put off attending church and have given up reading a bible because others have told them they must only read one particular version?

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I personally have been guilty of this years ago. I used to tear up the anything that wasn't K.J. I was mean and hurtful to people thinking I was right and they were wrong and I would do anything to persuade them my way. Bless God, I got freedom from this view. I know I scared a lot of people off. God has forgivem me. I would rather see 10 people reading what they understand than 1 trying to.
---john on 12/16/07


it is fairly obvious that satan has achieved a signicant victory with the King James Onlyists in creating further divisions among Christians. I have never seen such hatred from the pulpit of those that do not believe that the king James is just another translation.
---lee on 11/5/06


well, satan has achieved a signicant victory. 2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Satan has gotten "bibles" to say that he is ALSO the Morning Star, just like Jesus. And professing Christians are agreeing w/ him. If you folks can't see what Satan's plan is on this, how will you be able to see the Antichrist? You folks will think that the 'Mark' will be ok. please reconsider
---r.w. on 11/4/06


2Ti 3:2
For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
blasphemers, unholy,
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:7-9 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
---exzucuh on 7/23/06


and listen to 1 year hebrew student, (different hebrew today by the way), or popular hebrew lexicons and dictionaries such as the kittels hebrew text(rudolph and gerhard kittel were nazis-gonna trust what they say bout hebrew and the jews?) some have even translated their hebrew FROM niv-of course that hebrew will agree with niv(check for kittel reference in niv)
---r.w. on 7/22/06




I sat one night in a pew listening to a guy ranting about how terrible those "perversions" of the bible were and how misled people are that read them. But if r.w. would take the time, he would find that nearly every criticism of modern versions has been answered liken to the one in Isaiah 14;12.

Study to show yourself approved of God....rightly dividing the word of God. 2 Tim. 2:15 OKJV
---lee on 6/15/06


Oh, I made a little error of omission in my post about Luther's translation: Forgot to translate the word 'schoener' ('oe' = umlaut o). It usually means 'beautiful' in English. So Luther actually wrote 'beautiful Morning star'; which may have been an error on his part (occasionally he did paraphrase though). The point was he gave the meaning of the Hebrew Text and didn't use the Latin Vulgate's words!
---danie9374 on 6/15/06


[-2-] 'perverting Scripture' by applying the same exact metaphors to satan that Hosea used of the LORD, yet some apparently think there's a huge problem when Peter applies the 'Morning star' metaphor to Christ that Isaiah had used of the King of Babylon (and satan)! No, this isn't a problem. THERE IS A NAME for the devil though: It is 'satan' (that is the original Hebrew word, transliterated into the Greek, English; many languages). Use that if you want a 'name' God gave him.
---danie9374 on 6/15/06


[-1-] It's amazing how much our brains forget the older we get! I wrote someone 12+ years ago on this very subject (including Is.14:12) and just read it again: It was much more detailed than I'd thought! Anyway, I thik most here are familiar with 1 Peter 5:8: "...the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." Yet Hosea 11:10 says the LORD roars like a lion, and Hosea 13:8 says "I devour them like a lion" [KJV] of God. Obviously, Peter was not... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 6/15/06


/2/ That translates into English as: 'How you have fallen from heaven, you "Morgenstern!" I didn't trans. that last word yet. Look for it in your phone book and you'll prob. find someone named 'Morgenstern' there. It's made up of two words: Morgen (ever heard 'Guten Morgen?'-- good day, or morning) and 'Stern' (star). So Luther trans. the Hebrew as 'Day (or Morning) star' here; just like the literal Bible trans. today do.
---danie9374 on 6/13/06




/1/ Oh, my quote from Jesus was in John 14:6 ("I am the Way, the Truth and the Life"); all specifically with 'the' (definite article in the Greek).

I took German in high school, and also happen to know Luther wanted only German words for his people when translating Scripture (sometimes he did paraphrase too though). In his (1545) Bibel, instead of the Latin 'lucifer' (like some other Reformers used) he wrote: 'Wie bist du vom Himmel gefallen, du schoener Morgenstern!' (Isaiah 14:12a).
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


[2] about understanding HOW the authors of Scripture wrote about spiritual matters, our life in Christ and God's actions and nature! When Jesus is called 'Sheperd' that doesn't mean he's watching physical sheep here on earth! Who thinks Jesus is a physical 'door' when He says "I am the door" in John 10:9? 'Morning star' in 2Pt.1:19 is no different. In the abstract though, Jesus as God is def. "the (only) Way, the Truth, the Life" as no one else can be!
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


[1] To be very clear about this Isaiah 14:12 discussion: Neither r.w. nor lee are correct when they refer to 'Lucifer' or 'Morning Star' as 'titles.' They are METAPHORICAL (think symbolic or figurative) descriptions of persons; not unique names or titles! Apart from that, satan's PAST is being described here, when calling him 'O Day-star' just before he 'fell'. Yet, 2 Corinthians 11:14 says he can still appear as an "angel of light" though holy angels do too! This whole thing is...
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


Daniel, I was looking for verses and checking everything I had here at home for a correct answer and wow, you printed it for us. Thank you for your hard work on the matter. It is very important to check passages when one seems to contradict another instead of just arguing and saying why we are right and someone else is wrong. I know it took some time to put together so again Thanks for the answer. Praise be for Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 6/13/06


Thnk you very much Daniel, I envy your knowledge of Hebrew and Greek. What you stated should help r.w. understand that you cannot believe everything you read or hear from the KJV Onlyist crowd - diminshing in number as they are slowly dying off.
---lee on 6/13/06


\7\ Because over the one thousand years plus of Roman Catholics using the Latin Vulgate with 'lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12, various teachers ended up calling satan by that word, eventually it not only became a name for him in that church, but also in Reformation churches (the Geneva Bible uses 'lucifer' here too)! So, it was merely a matter of long-standing usage; the KJV translators were told to keep as close as possible to what had been in previous versions, such as the Bishop's Bible; and did so.
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


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\6\ Furthermore, for those 'die-hard' KJV Only-ites, who think this is some kind of attack on their 'perfect' Bible, guess what its 1604-1611 translators put in the margin for the words 'O Lucifer' at Isaiah 14:12? Here it is: "Or, O day-starre." Most of them knew Latin as well as Hebrew, and knew it meant the same thing: Not a proper name, but rather a description. So why did they use it like one? [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


\5\ Around 425 AD, Jerome translated Scripture into Latin. What is the Latin word for 'morning star' (or Venus)? That's right, 'lucifer'; etymologically comes from 'luci-' (light) and '-fer' (like Grk. 'pherO' for verb 'bring') or 'light-bringer' again! Now pay attention: If you want to use Latin ('lucifer') in Isaiah 14:12, as Jerome did, what Latin word must you use in 2 Peter 1:19? Yes, 'lucifer' is applied to Jesus there in the Latin Vulgate. You can't have one without the other!
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


\4\ Venus was often referred to as the 'morning star' before the Hebrew Scriptures were even completed! Lastly, the Greek word fwsforoV (a synonym for 'light-bringer' [phOs-phoros] that also referred to Venus) is found in 2 Peter 1:19c as: "...until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts." where Peter uses it symbolically of Jesus living in the lives of Believers! So, where does the word 'Lucifer' come from?! [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


\3\ That's how we got words like 'photo-graph' (light-writing) and 'photon'. Another word which came to be used of 'bright lights' in the sky is fwsthr [phOstEr] which was shortened into the English word star. Look again at the word the Jews translating Is.14:12 into Greek used: EwsforoV [heO-sphoros]; an old word meaning 'Bringer of the Morning (Light)' which describes the planet Venus appearing shortly before sunrise. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


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\2\ 'O shining one, son of the dawn!' (NET Bilbe) and 'O Day Star, son of Dawn!' (ESV). Before the Messiah came to earth as Jesus, that Scripture was translated in the Greek Septuagint as: o ewsforoV o prwi anatellwn [ho heOsphoros ho prOi anatellOn]. I plan on doing a 'full-blown' word study on my own website some day, but let's look at a few Greek words: fwV [phOs] or fwtoV [phOtos] means light....
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


\1\ This is about as good a place as any to try to settle the issue some have with translations of Isaiah 14:12 that are not exactly worded like the KJV. Background: Some here seem to believe 'Lucifer' is a proper name in Scripture for 'satan' when in fact there's no such word in HEBREW Scripture! The original Hebrew phrase in Is.14:12 is: 'heyleyl ben-shaahar' (which is similar to 'Shining One, Son of the Dawn' in English); which is why you'll find phrases like that in various Eng. translations: [cont.]
---danie9374 on 6/13/06


r.w. Theology aside, my statement should be easy to verify one way or the other simply by consulting someone that knows Hebrew. I suggest that you start there.
---lee1538 on 6/12/06


lee that's baloney. dont know where you are getting your theology from, but Lucifer and Jesus are not BOTH the morning star.
---r.w. on 6/12/06


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The word in Isaiah 14:12 translated as "Lucifer" literally means "light-bearer" or "morning star." The translation of "Lucifer" did not come from the Hebrew text, but from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. It was a carry-over from his translation, which does not reflect the Hebrew text. This is no mistranslation here. It is the Scripture, not the NIV translation, that uses this title for both Jesus and Satan.
---lee on 6/12/06


helen I'M ALSO TALKING BOUT "MAINSTREAM" bibles. niv nasb nrsv cev living. grab one of these and check isa 14:12 many ALSO have lucifer as the morning star
---r.w. on 6/12/06


r.w. - Excuse me I did not say that Lucifer etc. YOU said that so please do not try to say that I did. That is a lie anyway ... Lucifer is Satan, and the Morning Star is Jesus. What I mean by different translations of the Bible means the mainstream Christian ones, not cult "bibles" like the SDA, JW & LDS have -- they have their own translations which are NOT God's Word at all, but a twisted perversion of the word.
---Helen_5378 on 6/10/06


That is wrong to do that. Although in the past I have been confused as to what a believer was saying because they were quoting another version. I had a pastor once tell us to all go get a copy of the NIV ... that was a form of control. What matters is what is being believed and taught which must be the truth of God's Word.
---Helen_5378 on 6/10/06


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llyh heylel hay-lale' hebrew
from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
---exzucuh on 6/10/06


so helen , you think it's fine to have a perversion of the Bible stating that Lucifer is ALSO the morning star? how is this basic Bible doctrine or fundamental Chrisitanity?
---r.w. on 6/10/06


When I first started out as a born-again Christian I did think that everyone should read either NKJV or KJV. I now see how wrong that is. What matters is that the fundamentals of Christianity are correct in every way.
---Helen_5378 on 6/8/06


just believing in Jesus wont get you there steve. the demons also believe and tremble at the sound of his name. Repent
version does matter compare kjb and nkjv isa 9:3 they're the opposite. removes name of Lord, God, blood repent numerous times. niv and other are perverted as well matt 6 end of Lord's prayer Rev 1:11 alpha and omega gone 1jn 5:7 gone isa 14:12 has lucifer being the morning star, but Jesus is the morning star----perversions
---r.w. on 6/8/06


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Those who insist on a particular translation start out with the right intent, to study Gods word as written. Is it inspired by the Spirit or were prophets merely scribing verbatim as Lord spoke? Are you fluent in Greek and Hebrew and a smattering of Aramaic? If not, then you are merely reading mans guided attempt to translate. The most literal (Strongs) is best for study, but difficult to read. For prayer and worship, try understandable, faithful, modern translations.
---David on 12/14/05


I do hate to be the minority here, but give me a KJV, a Stong's concordance, and John Gill's exposition. That is all I need. I don't want to examine God's Word from different angles. I just want to try to absorb the words as they are written, and leave the angles to the Holy Spirit in me.
---mike on 12/14/05


The Holy Spirit will lead you in all Truths,,If you have not recieved Him ask and it shall be given unto you seek and ye shall find Him.
---Lynn_Bedford77 on 12/14/05


Steve - agree with you that an ounce of application is worth a ton of knowledge. We had this semi-illiterate, low IQ type in our Bible distributing organization that did more than all of us college graduates who read and studied the Bible. His major contribution was that he was very faithful and careful not to sin in any area of his life. He was very active in distributing literature to jail immates but did not know much about theology to get into a good discussion.
---lee on 12/3/05


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, i believe that one ounce of application is worth more than tons of knowledge. am i right?
---steve on 12/3/05


"if you are serious about God's word, you should want to read several Bibles. that way, you will see his word in many different angles and understand it better."

Better yet a good course in the original languages would help drastically as well as a good course on Biblical doctrines.

I am now on my 15th different version - this year I am reading the Amplified bible.
---lee on 11/19/05


, if you are serious about God's word, you should want to read several Bibles. that way, you will see his word in many different angles and understand it better.
---steve on 11/19/05


Eloy,To get angry may be human,to act upon it is out of control.God gives "no" permission for anger. To "be angry"etc, is warning not to, but if do ,repent before sun goes down. Bible warns against anger.Proverbs 22:24&25 Make no friendship with an angry man;and with a furious man thou shalt not go.Lest thou learn his ways and get a snare to thy soul.Sounds like anger could lead to hell.Careful,you're not just making excuses to permit your own anger,but to each his own.
---Darlene_1 on 11/10/05


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Darlene, nevertheless, Jesus got angry, and the scriptures reads that it is 100% okay to get angry. i reiterate, scriptures reads, BE ANGRY AND SIN NOT;...BE SLOW TO ANGER...DO NOT LET THE SUB GO DOWN ON YOUR ANGER...etc. So anger, righteous indignation, is not wrong but absolutely called for of God. But Darlene you are free to believe whatever you desire, just as i am free and believe the truth.
---Eloy on 11/10/05


Eloy,Ecclesiastes7:9 Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry;for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.Ephesians4:29&31 let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,-.Let all bitterness,wrath,anger,clamour,and evil speaking be put away from you with all malice:-.James1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious,and bridleth not his tongue,but deceiveth his own heart,this man's religion is vain.Christs/God's anger was righteous indignation against disobedience and unholiness.
---Darlene_1 on 11/10/05


steve, not true. If the corrupted texts portray an inferior Jesus, and the person accepts this distorted portrayal of Christ, then their salvation will be as unsound as the crooked path was unsound which they were led down to believe in.
---Eloy on 11/10/05


Darlene, Anger is of God, everyone gets angry, even God does. Recall Jesus' indignation when he made a whip and overturned the seats and tables of the moneychangers, and how he whipped the moneychangers out of the church? When the Bible says, "Be angry, and sin not". That's what it means, you are allowed to have anger, and you will most certainly become angry, but when you do don't sin. We are commanded to be slow to anger, but we are not commanded to never get angry.
---Eloy on 11/10/05


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Eloy,Colossians3:3,5,8,9 For ye are dead,and your life is hid with Christ in God.Mortify therefore your members which are upon earth;.But now ye also put off all these;anger,wrath,etc-.-,seeing ye have put off the old man with all his deeds;. Be angry-sin not; is telling not to carry anger in heart,put it away.The Spirit of God overrides the flesh if man lets it.Anger isn't of God ,verses above prove that.I don't think you are thick enough to believe Bible says to be/get angry.Are you just argumentative?
---Darlene_1 on 11/9/05


, eloy, those who believe in Jesus will get to heaven, regardless of whether they came to accept him using the NLT, NCV, CEV, NASB, NIV, etc. this is what the bible tells us.
---steve on 11/9/05


lee, that's a mistranslation. My 1560 Geneva Bible reads "lies" which is correct, instead of "leasing" found in the 1611 KJV. Unfortunately the King James translators translated their version rather quickly, but if they would have produced it a little more slowly, then fewer errors like this would appear.
---Eloy on 11/9/05


Psalms 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: ... hear this verse on the radio today and wondered if those that heard it are believing that it would be wrong to lease a vehicle. There is definitely a need to update the English on the "authorized' version.
---lee on 11/8/05


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steve, you are in error, because scripture reads that there is only one true right way, and all other ways are indeed wrong.
---Eloy on 11/8/05


Betsy, how I agree with you. I have found bible study much more interesting and informative since acquiring many different versions of the bible. The one I read most often is the NIV but I have many others.
---M.P. on 11/8/05


I was so excited to attend a singles group at church that encourages the reading of scripture from MANY different versions of the bible. Boy do we have a great time reading it and discussing the differences in the English language... thus, Thou's,Thee's , etc.
different definitions of the same word... different words for the same definitions!
The Message/Remix is my favorite!!!
Read this with KJV and NIV for a good discussion in a group!!
---betsy4769 on 11/7/05


, eloy, we all have our own views, and to place one above all others is not God's way.
---steve on 11/7/05


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Darlene, you quoted scripture, "Be angry and sin not,let not the sun go down upon your wrath." Then you said, "Anger's not of God." But you just cited the Bible saying "BE ANGRY", so how is it not of God, when the Bible directs us to be angry? Scripture says to be slow to anger, it never says anger is not of God. i do strongly suggest others to read THE HOLY Bible, and not the newer UNHOLY Bibles, for unholy Bibles may lead you wrong and into believing error.
---Eloy on 11/7/05


People dont live in churches they live in houses.when in church you are under the scope but at home you wear slippers or bare feet most people have 2 different You's & views. Living up to those views at all time
is the important question god watches & knows all That is why he said by their fruits you shall know them.Love is the greatest commandment OF GOD & neighbor.
---Emcee on 11/7/05


Alot. I just ignore the comments though. I was told one time by a total stranger in a doctors office that I was going to go to hell because I read the NIV study Bible and not the KJV! Absolutely obsurd and rediculous!!
---Melissa on 11/7/05


Eloy,it's your right to disagree.Not your place to choose what should make me angry or use that as a measure of my love for God.I've gained enough wisdom to not be upset about things like this, which I can't change.It seems more like self righteous judgement to me.I have enough faith to leave the guidence of God's people to Him.I have better things to do for God than worry about what Bible someone else reads.Bible;Be angry and sin not,let not the sun go down upon your wrath.Anger's not of God.
---Darlene_1 on 11/7/05


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Darlene, i disagree. God's words from his mouth are pure and inspirited, but words from man's mouth can be corrupt and completely devoid of spirit. This is righteous judgment, for one translation of the Bible is true, and the other a currupted lie. The newer versions change what was actually written, that makes it a lie, instead of the truth. And if you love God like i do, then this should make you very angry that man would take what our Lord has said and twist it into something else that he did not say.
---Eloy on 11/7/05


Some believe that the bible was handed down from heaven (all 66 books)Truth is it(the canon) came out of the counsil of Nicea(325ad) having been voted on by the attending bishops,passed by one vote(including the trinity)Some of the voting bishops were assasenated! Constantine had 300 versions burned! Legend has it that all the books thought to be included, were thrown on a table,the ones that stayed on were included.Those that fell off were excluded (The Counsil of Nicaea and the Bible)
---1st_cliff on 11/6/05


I believe that some people simply fail to recognize that any Bible is simply a translation; nothing else. Scholars are nearly agreed as to what the original text looked like and that is reflected in the Nestle Aland and UBS Greek compilations as well as the Masorite Hebrew texts. What often the problem is that of selection of the best English words to fit what is considered to be from the Greek and Hebrew texts.
---lee on 11/6/05


Eloy,there's nothing righteous when a person attacks another because they don't agree with their Bible choice.It is worldly ,the flesh speaking,nothing Godly about that attitude.I need no man to guide me about the Bible, the Bible says the Holy Ghost will teach me the Word, besides God will quicken my spirit to what's of Him and what's not.The Bible version was a required textbook and she was out of order.So is anyone else who attacks a fellow Christian over their Bible choice,thats between them and God.
---Darlene_1 on 11/6/05


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Darlene, righteous indignation is not the same as a wrong attitude. Jesus whipped the people out of the church, but it was righteous cleaning time, and not holier then thou attitude time. Some translations omit the miracles and signs done by the Spirit, some remove the Heavenly Trinity, and some denigrate the full deity of Christ: Knowing this, would you still accept a corrupted text over reading of the true scriptures?
---Eloy on 11/6/05


I never did that, but I was the brunt of my sisterinlaws hatefullness because she believed that way.All my husbands family were called to the emergency room due to his mothers sudden illness;I was studying for a test ,on a required version of the Bible, in College.She saw it wasn't KJV and informed me if it's not KJV it's not a Bible.I didn't care what she thought, but the contempt and hatefull attitude toward me showed her belief caused in her a holier-than-thou attitude.No love in that!
---Darlene_1 on 11/6/05


In our church we have both the KJV and NIV and 2 different hymn books. We don't have a pastor so rely on visiting preachers. The pulpit secretary usually checks with the preacher who will be coming which version of each he/she would prefer to have put out for use before he/she comes. Each individual is free to bring their own bible though, whatever the version. It can be quite enlightening to be following in one version whilst the preacher reads from another.
---M.P. on 11/6/05


Not many, if any at all. People usually stop attending a church usually because a church is not following Christ, and they stop reading the Bible because either it's not the Holy Bible, or they don't discipline themselves to read it instead of doing other pleasures.
---Eloy on 11/6/05


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As a retired missionary, I've been in many churches during my 33 years, but I've never been in a church that REQUIRED a person only to read a particular version in there home. In fact, I've even been in smaller churches that will only accept a black covered Bible, regardless of the translation. Not sure of the reasoning behind any of this, unless it's a matter of control on the part of the pastor. How many people have been effected by this, I don't know.
---WIVV on 11/5/05


I also have found people in churches that demand only one version of the Bible to be quite judgmental of others and often very rude. I belonged to a Bible Church in which there was such a clique. They served only to divide people on such unessentials. One of them often spoke of a "cheaper Bible" (a Living Bible), since he could readily understand it while he had trouble with that old authorized version.
---lee on 11/5/05


There is One God. One Faith. One Baptism. There is One Word of God. Yet, it is up to the individual (not a church, preacher, or denomination) as to how we seek God. If we seek Him through Christianity then the Bible is the foundation of learning. We have a duty to ourselves (and God)to be the best stewards possible in that regard. He will lead us to the "translation" we read. Just be open as we should to revelations in the Spirit.
---mike_fl on 11/5/05


I know that I left a church because a pastor preached that only one version of the Bible was right, and also he preached that women could only where dresses or skirts, NO pants. My husband and I found a church in which we could grow and serve, and keep our translation of the Bible.
---Madison on 11/5/05


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I think God gives us the ability to chosoe which version we understand as long as it still delivers his message.
---candice on 11/5/05


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