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All Saved Don't Go To Heaven

We were talking about the coming of Jesus and I asked a friend if she was Saved and she replied, "Just because you're Saved doesn't mean you're going to Heaven". How do I respond?

Moderator - Ask her what she means by the statement.

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When we are born into the family of God, we belong to Him. We will be in heaven when we leave this world. Anyone who is saved will go to heaven.
---shira4368 on 9/9/14

I've not, personally, heard this said "Just because you're Saved doesn't mean you're going to Heaven"
but people who DO say this should be asked what they believe the word 'saved' to mean and what is it that people are 'saved' from.
---Rita_H on 9/4/14

Right. Because of rebellion n disobedience.

A friend Vicki was a half way sinner christian. Being blinded through the spirit of darkness, she said I can't believe a loving God will let so many be lost being blinded & forgot it happened in Noah's day, it will happen again with the rapture. So she being rebellious, she fell into the trinity family body of Rev. 17 vs 4 - 6 harlot churches, to be lost forever. It's her choice.
---Lawrence on 9/3/14

You could have said, "if a person is bought by the Blood of Jesus Christ and if I endure till the end I shall enter into the Kingdom of God, which is HEAVEN.
---catherine on 3/24/08

She's telling you about soul sleep, the favored doctrine of cults.
---Cindy on 3/24/08

#2. If they listen to the lies their head is filled with. It will start by missing a church service, becoming mean, aggressive. The light that he was shining has now grown dim. He stops going to church period. Don't want anyone to talk to him about Christ. He may start drinking. By this time the light is gone. If Jesus came back at that moment, and saw him like that. Do think he is going to heaven? Or do you think Jesus will say depart from me for I never knew you? bottom line, Abide in Christ ALWAYS.
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/08

In a way she is right. It isn't what you were, it is what you are when Jesus comes back. Either your one of his or your not. If a person got saved 40 years ago and if they are not abiding in Christ and he in them and if they have been slacking off on praying and seeking him, then over a period of time that person will start to be lukewarm, and before you know it they will be cold. And when Jesus comes back and that person is cold, he surely isn't going to heaven.
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/08

#1. For example: A person gets saved and it is the happiest day of their life. They start out strong in Christ, seeking him and studying his word. This goes on for years, still strong in the Lord. Something drastic happens in their life and their world was split into. The person's faith is down, that is when Satan comes in tries to overtake him because he is the weakest vessel. Satan will fill their head full of lies and and deceive him. CONTINUE,
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/08

Ask her to show you "chapter and verse", in the Bible. (She may have heard this somewhere and is just mouthing what she heard, with no evidence to back it up. By-the-way, it's a false statement, in my opinion, which is based on the Bible.
---WIVV on 3/23/08

Eph 2:8 Salvation is a gift
Ro 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.(WEB)
Rom 8:9 . . . ye are . . . in the Spirit, if . . . the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

In order to be saved, God must give you his Spirit.

To now damn you after giving you His Spirit, He would then have to retrieve His Spirit, which He won't because He does not retrieve gifts. He does not lie.
---a_servant on 3/12/07

"By all means", Ask Her what she is talking about. If Jesus lives in you when you die, You shall go to Heaven. If He doesn't, "You won't."
---catherine on 3/12/07

Lupe, just because a person doesn't believe in OSAS doesn't mean they doubt or fear their salvation. Actually I don't understand why a person would doubt their salvation if they didn't believe in OSAS. As the Bible puts it as long as you abide in Christ, abide in the Gospel,stay in the faith, and stand firm to the end you will be saved. God lets a person know if they are falling into sinful activity and will convict them so they can hopefully come to repentance.
---Matthew on 3/11/07

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

2 Cor 4:4 . . . the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not

Eph 2:6 . . . and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Phil 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven . . .

She is Spiritually blind. Ask our Father to open her heart. It's eternal Heaven or eternal Hell. Saved = eternal Heaven.
---a_servant on 3/11/07

That is an interesting question. I would tell her that all saved people go to heaven, I would also add that salvation is a daily choice.
---lorra8574 on 3/11/07

Believing you are saved by professing Jesus Christ is false. The Savior said in Mathew 7:21-22: "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in Heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works? and then will I profess unto them, I knever knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
---Dave on 3/11/07

2-con't- many profess because they shout praise God on Sundays that they will automatically go back to God's kingdom. That is a lie that has been taught for centuries. You do your best to Glorify Jesus Christ seven days a week, not one. You pray often, you study the scriptures with diligence, you lead by example, you avoid the evils and sins of the flesh. You repent daily and live your life in righteousness. then you are a disciple of Christ. On judgement day, your life is blameless before God.
---Dave on 3/11/07

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Sounds to me like your friend might be a Jehovah's Witness. They don't believe that all their members will go to heaven, at least not since 1917, when their number exceeded the original "144,000" that their founder said was representative of them. Then they changed his prediction to say that the first 144,000 would go to heaven but the rest would be consigned to "paradise earth." Prophecy didn't come true, hmmm, I wonder? Does that have any significance in the relevance of this group?
---tommy3007 on 3/11/07

Hi sister Susan, there was no disrespect on my answer. Actually we were both thinking the same things to answer. I was just pointing that many do believe that people seek God but they seek the things of the world when lost. I love your answers and thank you for been there for sister Rebecca because we all should be there for each other. One Church. It is a shame to be in doubt of our salvation. I know many don't believe in their assurance. Since I got on line I have had many against me on this issue.
---Lupe2618 on 12/6/05

3. That is why I said that it is not how our hands hold on to Christ, it is Christ. All Christians should examine themselves to make sure of their faith. Do they have the love for Christ? You see, without that love we are lost. The Holy Spirit confirms to our Spirit that we are children of God.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

Susan read Matthew 25:1-13 about the ten virgins. and read Luke 13:23-27 about a man asking Jesus would there be just a few be saved. I think you will find what I mean.
---Rebecca_D on 12/5/05

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2. The people that love the world don't love Christ. You can see it in their lives. God knows the difference in my life then yours, yet He is able to work through both of us in different ways. Sometimes we get in a hole because we don't listen to Him, then we get out and we learn. But yet God never leaves us. When someone is born from above he is a new creation, created in Christ. The promises of Christ are for His children. When we doubt God we are listening to Satan's lies.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

Hello again sister, I understand what you are saying. I have heard that before. You see, people that believe that, are worried about others and their relationship with Christ. It is your own relationship that matters. Each one of us has to answer for what we have done. If someone is living like hell, to me he was never saved. You see with Christ in our lives He guides us and helps us get through the trouble times. If He lives in our hearts He knows that we are trying and knows the love we have for Him.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

I know this, Lupe. My reasons for using those scriptures were to show Rebecca that no where in the Bible does it show how "many" times Jesus knocks. I was replying to her blog of 12-4-05. Directly quoting "It says somewhere in the bible that God is only required to knock on our heart's door once. Not 2-3 or more times. Although he does give many chances but he isn't required to do so." I was showing her that it doesn't say anything about the "number" of times He knocks.
---Susan on 12/5/05

Lupe: This goes back in the bible that we should repent just in case we forgot we done something wrong or said something wrong, before we go to sleep. I know I will fail God from time to time, I'm human. But each time I do, I ask him to forgive me and help me through it. He does. Some believe that you can act like hell and go to heaven, just because they got saved 20 years ago. Not so. I just don't see a person with an unrepented thing in their life going to heaven.
---Rebecca_D on 12/5/05

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I meant to put Heb 6:4-6. Before we lay our head down at night we should ask for forgiveness just in case we said something we shouldn't have said and didn't realize it. This is where the fear of God comes in at. Susan how can one ask forgiveness over something they have not yet done? They can't. I can't ask God to forgive me for tomorrow sins because I have not yet sinned tomorrow. if a person can go to heaven with unrepentence then what do you think John was preaching on?
---Rebecca_D on 12/5/05

2. in saving faith, He would enter the church. Now in the case of the Apostles, Jesus was not speaking to unbelievers but to teach the Apostles. Unbelievers don't seek Christ. They are lost and follower the prince of the air, Satan. I know many people say that this knocking is Christ to the unbeliever but if read in its context He is speaking to the Apostles to teach the things they are to do, about Judging, asking and it will be given, two ways of life, to enter the narrow gate and so on.
---Lupe2618a on 12/5/05

Hello sister Susan, thank you for your words. I just wanted to mentioned the three Scriptures that you gave Matthew 7:7, Luke 11:9, and Rev.3:20. In Matthew and Luke Jesus is talking to the Apostles. In Revelations "I stand at the door and knock" The context demands that Christ was seeking to enter this church that bore His name but lacked a single true believer. (Laodicea)This poignant letter was His knocking, if one member would recongnize His spiritual bankruptcy and respond
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

6. I am sorry I wrote so much but God was working through me I just know it. It will have a purpose because it is all about Him. I love you sister Rebeca and hope I have explained something that I feel in my heart.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

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5. When you answer someone's blog, your intention might be for a reason, but God has a reason to put you on line at the time He wanted you there. If your answer is not truth, then it didn't come from God but by you. Our lives are with God now and yet we still fail. But as we grow in Christ we do become more like Him, because He is doing the talking and changing and we are but the instrument He is using. Oh how I wish everyone could understand that part of God. We are not along anymore. We have Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

4. to pray for us as Elder is praying for others. God put it in his heart so he does. God's grace abounds more and more in his life and ours. God explains to us the need we have for Him and we respond because the Holy Spirit helps us to respond. It is always about God and what He is doing. He knew you were going to be one of the chosen one's before you were born. His Word is truth always to the believer and what He plans, He finishes. That is our faith.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

3. but with Christ in my life, He will influence me to make good decisions if I only trust in Him. Our whole walk is dependence on Him. If we think we can measure up to God standards to make it, we will fail. We are born of God. Not of the flesh anymore. Scripture gives us guidelines to follow to help us get there. When Christ says He will carry us, He is carrying us through His Word, through other brothers and sisters to lift us when we are low. He influences others to be there for us.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

2. They are still depending on themselves and they many times fail. Now look at the example of Eloy, he believes you can lose your salvation. He makes it clear he is sinless, and that a true Christian is sinless. Not able to sin. Well, if he believes that then he should believe you cannot lose your salvation and yet he does. He forgets he lives in the flesh every day and that we do need Christ to carry us through the process. I believe I am not along anymore and that I will fail many times,
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

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Rebeca, I have seen your answers on many and I agree on most of them. The only one that you and i don't agree is this one. I wrote something semilar to Susan, I guess we were both thinking in the same way. I believe that many Christians for some reason forget that we are not along anymore, as we were when we were lost. They still want to do so much on their strength because they are use to being in control. Now that they know God they think of ways to stay close to Him, and depend on their own strength.
---Lupe2618 on 12/5/05

The Bible tells who the 144000 are.
1st, there are no women involved.
2nd, there are no married men involved.
3rd, there are no unmarried men who are not virgins involved.
4th, there are no "non-Jews" involved.
5th, there are no OT or NT Saints involved.
6th, all of the 144000 are male born virgins from the 12 tribes of Israel and are saved during the Tribulation. They are Tribulation Saints.
---Elder on 12/5/05

3. God does not live by time, He knows already His remnant, His church. He knows how many and who they are. He is not waiting to see who will make it and who won't. Whether you will fail or not. If you believe, you have eternal life. Because of what He did for you, not what you did for Him. You can never measure up to Him. Trust Rebecca, that His promises are true. That He will finish His work in you and me. Believe with your heart that no one can take you away from Him, no one.
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

2. Since you became a Christian to now you have done a lot of sinning. Some of them you don't even think you did. How is anyone to know which ones we forgot? How about two of them? or three, Where do you stop? Jesus forgave your sins past, present and future, if you are a true believer. He tells you He will see you through it all and yet you don't believe, On your own you can do nothing. It takes for God to carry you till the end. But you have to believe in Him.
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

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Rebecca, if you know all of your sins and you repented of them that would be great. Also if you knew the exact time you will die. But no one knows the time for each of us, no one knows the sins we have commited, or the ones we will commit. They come as we live. The others only God can see in the heart. You have lived a long life and in that life you have done many wrong things that you have not repented on, if it was the way you say, then you have no chance of making it in if you have one sin.
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

#4. God is pretty cut and dry. Accept what Jesus did on our behalf, Himself receiving our punishment, taking on our sin, in exchange for His rightousness, and we shall go to Heaven, totally undeserved and by His grace. I believe that once you are saved, you are saved. Period. I think to think another way, leads us back into a works oriented salvation.
---Susan on 12/4/05

#3. Jesus' blood is strong enough to cover all our sins. If one unclean, unrepented thing can keep us out of Heaven, then we weren't really saved to begin with, or Jesus blood, shed once on our behalf, is not enough. He'll need to go back to the cross again. And we may each of us try to define sin differently than God. There are too many variables in your way of looking at it.
---Susan on 12/4/05

#2. As for sinning and not asking forgiveness and still going to Heaven: are you aware of every single sin you commit everyday? We're saved, not sinless. We still sin, every day, all day. But if we are saved, we are forgiven, every day, all day. When we are saved, we are forgiven of our past, present, and future sins. When you were saved, did you enumerate every sin you had ever committed, to God, in order to be saved? I think not.
---Susan on 12/4/05

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#1. Hi Rebecca. Read Matt. 7:7, Luke 11:9, and Rev. 3:20. Nothing is said about the "number" of times Jesus knocks. Just that He does. Heb. 4:4-6 sounds to me like it is referring to people who have been given the chance to be saved, but don't want to because of disobedience. I don't believe the reference here is for saved people.
---Susan on 12/4/05

Carla: Is there a bad heaven? The 144,000 can't be the apostles because they're all dead and the 144,000 that speaks of in the bible are not dead, they themselves don't know who they are.
---Rebecca_D on 12/4/05

It says somewhere in the bible that God is only reuired to knock on our heart's door once. Not 2-3 or more times. Although he does give many chances but he isn't required to do so. Read Heb 4:4-6. So Susan are you saying that once a person is saved, that they can commit a sin and not ask for forgiveness and still go to heaven? Cause my bible says different. A saved person call fall away from God and go to hell. One unclean, unrepented thing can keep anyone out of heaven.
---Rebecca_D on 12/4/05

"Good"heaven means the top of the top with God, I should have said "the main heaven" not the earthly. Jesus told the apostles they'd reside with him in heaven, & they're part of the 144,000. I'm not Jw, I attend the church of God.
---Carla on 12/4/05

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It sounds like your friend doesn't believe that salvation is through faith in Jesus. Perhaps some scripture would help her see the light. Acts 4:12 John 14:6 John 3:16 Eph. 2:8,9
---Ulrika on 12/4/05

Well said Lupe! Rebecca, I believe you can be saved, backslide, and still be saved. In your own family, if you messed up real bad as a child, would your dad turn you out of the family? Or would he sit down talk it out & discipline you when appropriate? And how bad do you have to be, in your backslidden state, to all of a sudden be unsaved again? Susan6983
---Susan on 12/4/05

Emcee are you advocating that it takes works to get you to Heaven in your statement of 11/11?
How much work do you think it will take to get you there? How will you know when you have done enough? What happens if you should have done one more thing?
On second thought I'll just trust what the Bible teaches. Salvation apart from works because Jesus did all that was needed.
I don't trust myself (works) I trust Christ.
You can too.
---Elder on 12/4/05

Carla what you have said is pure JW misdoctrine. The 144000 are Tribulation male virgin Saints in Rev 7 & 14.
---Elder on 12/4/05

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Carla, what do you mean, the 144,000 are chosen to be in the good heaven. Where you you read that? The 144,000 are chosen by God to remain on earth during the Tribulation period after the Rapture to teach those left behind, and try to turn them to the Lord before it's too late.- all Messianic Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Nothing about them going to a "good" heaven.
---Ann5758 on 12/4/05

It says in rev 21:3 that God will dwell with man & his tent will come down ( amplified says tent) so the "new Earth" it is speaking of is the new Paradise that God returned back to. The movie version, is not always accurate of Heaven,we all have different views.The 144,000 are chosen to be in the "main"heaven & the meek will inherit the Earth ( the good one he makes later )
---carla on 12/4/05

4. the Source of your hope. Do not look to your faith, but to "Jesus, the Author and finisher of Your faith" We will never find happiness by looking at our prayers, our actions, or our feelings. It is what Jesus is, not what we are, that gives rest to the soul. Do not let your hopes or fears come between you and Jesus. He will never fail us. He is our assurance. The Holy Spirit confirms our salvation. Without Him we are nothing.
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

3.He tells us that we are nothing, but that "Christ is all in all." Remember, therefore, that it is not your hold of Christ that saves you; it is Christ. It is not your joy in Christ that saves you; it is Christ. It is not even your faith in Christ, "though that is the instrument," but it is Christ's blood and His merits that save you; therefore, do not look as much to your hand, with which you are grasping Christ, as to Christ. Do not look to your hope, but to Jesus,
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

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2. for he is constantly trying to make us pay attention to ourselves instead of to Christ. He insinuates, "Your sins are too great for pardon; you have no faith. You do not repent enough. You will never be able to continue to the end. You do not have the joy of His children. You have such a weak hold of Jesus." All these are thoughts about self, and we will never find comfort or assurance by looking within. But, the Holy Spirit turns our eyes entirely away from self.
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

Ch, I believe lee is correct. There is many that believe you can go to hell if you are saved. They have no assurance of their faith. As Christians our assurance is in the Word of Christ. We stand for what He promises us. Many have other idea's and forget that without Christ we can do nothing. But we are more then conquerors through Christ. The Holy spirit is our hope. It is always the Holy Spirits work to turn our eyes away from self to Jesus; but Satan's work is just the opposite of this,
---Lupe2618 on 12/4/05

Well she is right. The bible says to work out your own soul salvation. We have a choice in serving God. Just because one got saved umteen years ago, if he/she isn't serving God then they could end up in hell. A person has to believe in Jesus in order to go to heaven. A saved person can backslide and go to hell.
---Rebecca_D on 12/3/05

I think that your friend has a theology of salvation by works -

John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Eternal life is a present possession and is received by grace alone thru faith alone in Christ alone. Eph 2:8-10
---lee on 11/27/05

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I would also like to know how you can get to heaven without believing in Jesus Christ, when the scriptures plainly states that you must believe on HIM in John 3:16, that God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, and whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life!"
---bornagin on 11/19/05

You go Alex! I would like to see the scriptures also for those 2 statements.
---bornagin on 11/18/05

If your name is written in the Lamb's book (saved only) you are going to Heaven - no if's, and's or buts' about it. Every who claims to be saved is NOT saved and in that case, she's right everyone saved will not go to heaven, which leads to: they were NEVER really saved in the first place.
---bornagin on 11/18/05

Come on Brother Elder, I am waiting for your answer to Emcee. What if you are stopped on the way to heaven? What then brother? I cannot wait to hear what you have to say to that one.
---Lupe2618 on 11/17/05

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cliff, The meek do inherit this earth today, but not in the next life, for this earth will be burned up and totally dissolved. "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." Revelation 20:11; 21:1. Please read II Peter 3:10-13.
---Eloy on 11/14/05

Eloy :Brother I shall agree to disagree Pity = sorrow: Love=a strong passionate affection. Love is born of Pity.
---Emcee on 11/13/05

Eloy;You stated,below, that ALL saved go to heaven and ALL unsaved go to hell,right? What about "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the EARTH"? (Mat.5.5)"in keeping with His promise..we are looking forward to a earth the home of righteousness" 2Pet.3.13. He's not talking "new planet" here! read 2Pet.3.6 "the WORLD of that time was DESTROYED" We're still living on it !
---1st_cliff on 11/13/05

Emcee, pity is love, what do you think compassion is? Pity, mercy, grace, compassion, caring for the needy, love, helping, saving, etc. It's all the same. We cry out to God, and he has pity to us and saves us. "As a Father pities Children, YHWH pities them that regard him." Psalm 103:13.
---Eloy on 11/13/05

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Eloy::I agree in part to your response but it was not PITY it was LOVE; that is why I use the word presume.True if we dont respond to that love by words actions deeds& thoughts then we show indfifference,which is unacceptable to the truth within ourselves.
---Emcee on 11/12/05

Emcee, Instead of presumption, i think the girl was saying, one who is saved doesn't automatically go to heaven without earning it somehow. In our western culture we teach earned rewards for our actions, so it's difficult for an unbeliever to believe that salvation was freely given to all who have it. But after we are saved by his pity to us, then we gladly work for the Lord because we desire too, we desire to please the Lord, and his nature becomes ours to do his will now and not our own wills.
---Eloy on 11/12/05

Elder::Thats right sit back relax Knowing you are on the escalator to heaven with the book in one hand, to justify your actions,& claim your inheritance But what if you are stopped & questioned on the points you omitted, in that same book.what then who will be more confused then? Presumption IS a deadly sin.
---Emcee on 11/11/05

1stjohnch2vs18-27... revch5vs6-14... joelch2vs32...actschvs16-21... romansch10vs8-13. I hope these scriptures will be of some help. Salvation is available through faith in jesus to all mankind who will call, Inuerable companies of savedare shown in Revelation in heaven entered by Christ's blood. John tells us we HAVE eternal life. God bless you, and keep you from these seducers... Thomas
---thomas on 11/11/05

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tell her, Throughout the Bible it reads that ALL saved people go to heaven, and ALL unsaved people go to hell; so the choice is yours to make, either get saved or be damned.
---Eloy on 11/11/05

Alex It must be good that you wrote your statement to the Moderator for he must be as confused as Jesus is.
You see they BOTH think you can get to Heaven without works.
Now to be serious for a moment; if you think you have to work your way into heaven after what Jesus did for you then you are another one adding to the Salvation already provided. All the work was done by Christ,
Trust in your work to get you there and you won't show up. You can't do enough.
---Elder on 11/11/05

WIVV, I'm having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say. It's the way you make a statement. I have read another reply of yours. Are you from another Country?
---Mary on 11/11/05

Moderator: I think that the statement is pretty clear. Just because you are a christian doesn't mean that you will go to heaven.... you must work your way into heaven.
And if I may, I think that just because someone doesn't believe in Jesus Christ doesn't mean that he/she will go to hell.

Moderator - Please back up both statements with scriptures. Go take the Heaven and Hell Bible quiz in the Bible section at the top of the website.
---Alex on 11/10/05

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1st Cliff, You could start with the book of Revelation, unless of course, you don't believe the scenes in Revelation are to be taken literally. John sees the saints gathered around the throne of God praising Him and the Lamb. The city New Jerusalem, with the walls of jasper, gates of pearl and streets of pure gold.
---tommy3007 on 11/10/05

There are some demoninations in the protestant faith for example that believe each time you sin you need to be saved again! My aunt is Methodist and she believes in getting saved over and over!
---taylor on 11/10/05

Tommy; Perhaps you would be good enough to give the scriptures that say "heaven" is now,and has always been man's destination!
---1st_cliff on 11/10/05

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