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You are right Emcee, "He who is not with you is against you" I never said Jesus had pride, you make something up that is not there. I said I had pride just like you do, but you have a different cause for your pride. "My pride is in Jesus Christ my Lord and my Savior". And all the glory and honor is to Him alone. I share no glory or honor are bend my knee's or bow to anyone but Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/08


No Frances I do not imply that you lie.
I was saying that I do notlike lies told about anyone here, about you, or about me, or about others.
I do not support the RCC, but neverthweless will object when lies are told about the RCC.
I don't support the Mormons, but would object if lies are told about them.
I don't consider it right to lie, even when it is "my side" telling lies about "the other side" in order to advance our argument.
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08


Frances ... I would not accept a position under President Blair.
I have little regard for him.
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08


Mark V::"My pride is Jesus Christ"WRONG"Right for YOU but WRONG for Jesus. Jesus had no pride which is a mortal sin & god does not sin.The truth is contained In a few Words Matt16:17-19 His (Jesus's) Church.If you say I have pride so be it but that is left for Jesus to decide NOT YOU.PS I still maintain Hope & humility with His love that gains us Eternity MY Friend.He who is not with me is against me.
---Emcee on 2/17/08


Alan, I am glad you love your country and disapprove of its takeover by Communists. Are you hoping for a position from President Blair when he takes over the European State formed by the Catholic, Joseph Retinger (different guy to the pope) on orders from the Jesuits.
---frances on 2/17/08




Alan of Uk, I am pleased to see you do not support the idol worshippers, or approve of them. I hope you don't infer I lie. Sometimes I may be so irate that I stoop to deep irony tainted with sarcasm. It is a style called 'devil's advocate' in which I am so sick of the devil's tricks that I play along with him. But I do not lie. I may make typo errors, or not concentrate and write something that cannot be proved instantly. That is not lying - not the same at all.
---frances on 2/17/08


I usually only lie when people ask me what country I am from, how old I am, how old my family are, where they live. I call them security questions. I lie because I have to protect them.
---frances on 2/17/08


Sometimes if I am in a hurry I might mistake two posters and accuse someone of something they did not do, but someone else did. That is not lying that is an honest mistake. However, I am gradually getting profiles of all posters and am pretty adept at spotting my detractors, although some of them remain in disguise until the appointed time for them to ridicule me. That is their business.
---frances on 2/17/08


as in all paternaty issues the infant inherits the blood traits from its father.in Jesus case his blood was untainted by sin and since the life is in the blood even unaffected by any possibility of sinfullness from mary.The egg was only the phyisical or flesh medium provided by mary.And being knitted together in the womb by god a perfect man resulted .one endowed with the attributes of God and Man.
---raymond on 2/17/08


I think much theology and not much learning has made thee mad. [ Common sense] if Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man than he has all the fullness of the Godhead bodily and all the genes of wicked men. Hence , the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's womb[egg]. To think the indignity our Savior suffered,incarnated in a sinner, the daughter of a sinful man/All to save a wretch like me.
---Ian on 2/17/08




Emcee, when you put down the passage in Matthew again, it was not to prove the Truth is right, but to prove your church is the one talked about in that passage. So it was put down for the purpose you intended it to be. Your church. Anyone can pick and choose, that is easy for heretics to do. It is when you read the whole context of God's message that you learn the Truth. You have one path and cause in mind always, that of your church. No matter what God has to say in His Word.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/08


Frances ... Why do you aks me "Alan of Uk, a British person will stand for the nonsense of the Catholic Church?"
You know I do not support the RCC, only that I get angrty when lies are directed agains thtem, as whne they are directed afgainst anyone here ... sometimes you are lied about, sometimes it is me, sometimes it is markV and sometimes Emcee or#MikeM
Lies are not valid even when about your opponent.
---a on 2/17/08


Emcee,
I never said I didn't have pride, I was speaking of your pride The Catholic Church) and Him (Himself). The pride was for a different cause. "My Pride is Jesus Christ." I defend the Truth, anyway I can, and I do get a lot of pride and joy in defending Christ Jesus who is the Truth. I give no glory, honor are bend my knee's for anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/16/08


Alan of Uk, a British person will stand for the nonsense of the Catholic Church? For 400yearsplus it has fought the idolatry of the Catholics. Rome wanted to continue the Empire into England, via Spain. But two women and one man led the world out of the dark ages by their lives' works. One was beheaded, the second never married, and the third died a pauper, more or less. That is how they loved England and freedom of thought.
---frances on 2/16/08


MarkV::You speak about my Pride, but in your insistence, do you not display the same Characteristic?.I know its difficult to see the stain on ones own back.You speak about TRUTH I gave you Matt16:17-19 do you refute this TRUTH when you speak about "My Pride in My Church"It is Jesus's Church it's in His word Read it.You display selfrighteousness. IS THAT PRIDE?
---Emcee on 2/16/08


There you go again with your church pride Emcee. I was not wrong, you both have something very much in common. Just pride in a different cause. I will stick to my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and not on any other. When are you ever going to speak about the truth again as you did on the Trinity? stick to the true doctrines of faith, the others give you more pride and you go even further from the truth. As I said God hardens the heart of those that reject the truth.
---Mark_V. on 2/16/08


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#2. Emcee: I am never angry. I am one of the happist man on the face of the earth. I have joy Emcee. I really enjoy studying and learning about God and putting down passages and just enjoy what I am doing this time of my life. I thank God for giving me the time and the means to learn about Him. Angry, only when I have to cut the yard.
---Mark_V. on 2/16/08


The Blessed Mother indeed gave birth to her Son. As well as the Son of God.
it is in the Bible.

Luke 7And she brought forth HER firstborn SON(Jesus), and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
---lisa on 2/16/08


Eloy :: You have spoken loud & clear with your condemnation .I refrain from doing the same But leave you with this Quote"Love one another as I have loved you "He who slaps you on the right Cheek turn your left"Go ahead My friend.if you still feel that YOUR MIGHT is right.
---Emcee on 2/15/08


MarkV::You are angry in your 4 Para tirade.You use the word Pride & attach it to me .This was a discussion.You say you have faith in Christ,but deny the words of Jesus "My church" Matt16 :17-19 He says Not emcees church as you make it out.we as catholics are taught to have HOPE, with Humility which is the opposite of Pride.But you may go in peace to loveand serve the lord of your choice.
---Emcee on 2/15/08


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MarkV::You are angry in your 4 Para tirade.You use the word Pride & attach it to me .This was a discussion.You say you have faith in Christ,but deny the words of Jesus "My church" Matt16 :17-19 He says Not emcees church as you make it out.we as catholics are taught to have HOPE, with Humility which is the opposite of Pride.But you may go in peace to loveand serve the lord of your choice.We are baptised to be followers & born from ABOVE Jn3,3.by his Grace.
---Emcee on 2/15/08


The test to find out the truth to being born again is Revelation 14:5. "NO LIE was found in their mouth, they are BLAMELESS". If anyone fits this then let me ask them a few questions. 1. What religious group today fits the Ten Virgin prophecy? 2. Is the 'coming like a thief' the same event as the coming in the clouds? 3. If all we need is grace, then why hasn't Jesus come already? 4. Who was Jesus before He was born of Mary?
---Dr._Rich on 2/15/08


Eloy ... You say elsehwere "The ture Christian believes every word of God in the New Testament, and does not pick and choose which part they will believe and discard other parts"
How is it then that you deny that Mary conceived Jesus?
How is it that you make yourself the equal of Jesus?
---alan_of_UK on 2/15/08


Eloy ... # 1 Of course The Word made Mary, in the aame way that he made you and me and all human beings.
Or do you mean that He made Mary in a special way, or to be a special thing, and not a normal human?
If so, you must either say that He created mary as a positively Special Person, in wehich case you sound strangely like a Roman Catholic ... but you can't think this, since you "dis" her so much.<
---alan_of_UK on 2/15/08


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Eloy ... # 2 So you must say she is a negatively Special person ... i.e. something less than normally human ... and this is probably what you do think since you have claimed that she was merely a vessel into which Jesus was inserted ... a "rent-a-womb"
And that does not accord with the Bible
---alan_of_UK on 2/15/08


Eloy ... .
One of the difficulties of talking to you, is that you never try to explain why someone else (on this occasion, me) is wrong ... you just condemn them.
Don't you think that part of your mission should be to teach and correct others?
---alan_of_UK on 2/15/08


#2. Emcee: Only through your church can a person be born again, because of the sprinkling of water, only your church can bow down in worship and beg saints for miracles and worship Mary instead of Christ, and it is not worship, only in your church do you have leaders who are infallible and in fact sinless when they speak. So you see Emcee, you are just like him. All pride, and nothing that is truth matters to both of you. God's Word is even second fiddle to the authority of your church,
---Mark_V. on 2/15/08


#3 Emcee: So you see you are no different then he is, just pride on someone else other then Christ. You don't see anyone answering saying their church is the only true church, and the hell with everyone else like you do. God say's in His word that when people reject the Truth over and over, He will hardened your heart even more so that you never will be able to repent. All I can give you is the truth. And this is about all the power I have.
---Mark_V. on 2/15/08


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#4. Emcee: I cannot change you and I don't try. People have presented the Truth to you and you brush it aside just as he does. I do feel helpess when someone refuses to listen to the Word of God, but nevertheless I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ that what He decides in my life and the life's of others is holy and right. That is my faith Emcee, in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/15/08


Emcee, I judge your statements by the Word of God. I don't judge you as a god. "You remind me of your closest friend here answering, who is so prideful about himself, that he makes himself to be deity." His statements have the same pride. He Zap's your church down for disagreeing with his omnipotent power, you on the other hand do the same thing with your answers because of your pride for your Church. It is your church that God spoke of, it is your church that only has the truth,
---Mark_V. on 2/15/08


.emcee, you confuse a friend with an enemy. I am not your friend, and I am no friend to any enemy of the cross. And you must first repent before God's wrath departs from you, and before you are accepted to the kingdom.
---Eloy on 2/15/08


.alanOfUk, Know that Jesus created Mary.
---Eloy on 2/15/08


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.alanOfUk, presently you abide in darkness, I have no further words to you.
---Eloy on 2/15/08


.frances, I do not let them rile me because they cannot, I am standing upon the unmovable and everlasting Rock of God. These unregenerate souls delight in blaspheming the Word and every one sent from God to deliver the Word. I simply open the door for them, but they refuse to enter in because they desire to abide outside with their sin rather than give up their sin. And it is easier for them to bear false witness and continue in their curse rather than repent and walk with the saints and with God.
---Eloy on 2/15/08


.frances, I am very accustomed to dead sinners whom choose to dis me. By their fruits we know whom is condemned and whom has been born-again. My will is God's will and my Papa and I delight in seeing the sinner repent from his sin and get saved, and become a real born-again Christian. There is no greater joy to me, than to lead a soul to Christ and witness real Salvation. These mockers are a dime a dozen, and nothing they say is new under the sun, they speak vanity because they have no Jesus in them.
---Eloy on 2/15/08


---Dr._Rich on 2/14/08 Listen dude Eloy might
be a little out of Line but I will back him up on being born again and also baptized in the Holy Spirit, you cannot be saved if you do not have the Spirit of God, If you have not his Spirit you are none of his.
---exzucuh on 2/14/08


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I went on a retreat and in the bus on the way, we all had to pray the rosary, that is, we had to say 103 'Hail Marys'. That is idolatry, though I did not realize it at the time.
---frances on 2/14/08


Eloy ... I know the Bible says Mary conceived and bore Jesus.
You seem to deny that.
Since you claim to be Christ, no I do not have that fake Christ in me.
I have the real Christ.
---alan_of_UK on 2/14/08


Eloy ... YOu have elsewhere claimed that you have suffered more than Christ, because you have cleaned out lavatories (WCs) whereas He did not have to do that. But I have probably cleaned more WCs than you, so I claim the right to say that that does not make us into God, as you imagine for yuorself.
Since you don't deny these things which I think you claim, I can only assume yuo do equate yuorself with Jesus, and many will say that is blasphemous.
---alan_of_UK on 2/14/08


We know that Jesus was of the House of David for that is a hint that he was the Messiah, through Joseph's lineage. We know that Jesus was from God. It seems to me that Mary was the chosen vessel. I don't diminish her role of being obedient to God's will. Jesus was with God, then he came to earth, then he returned to be with God. Before Mary, Jesus was already there, otherwise he could not have been sent, just suddenly born, and there would be no predictions such as Psalms and prophets ( his birth.)
---frances on 2/14/08


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You, Christians, when you say anything that takes Mary off the pedestal, from above all the Saints and angels, you disturb a hornet's nest. Mary is elevated to become almost part of the Trinity. In reality, the gospel writers hardly knew her. Her task was finished on the day Jesus left home. And as for the Holy Family, they rejected Jesus in Mark's gospel.
---frances on 2/14/08


Mary went with the gospel writer John, I believe, to Ephesus and lived out her life quietly. We do not even have a grave to visit. That is how revered she was at the time of the Early Church. People would make her into a part of the Godhead, it is blasphemous IMHO, and Mary would not have condoned it.
---frances on 2/14/08


Eloy, don't let them grind you down. There are a lot of disinformation people around these days. I think they are paid. They always resort to personal attacks when they are losing credibility themselves. Poor things - they are confused.
---frances on 2/14/08


Eloy, thanks for quoting scripture but even the devil does this too. Many things you have written are true as far as I can tell, but to say you have been born again by the Holy Spirit means that you are without sin. The two can't dwel together. This is why Jesus had NO DNA from Mary.
---Dr._Rich on 2/14/08


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Eloy:: You my friend do sound like a broken Record & are loosing Credibility, because you Have No Charity in your Heart & yet Claim to be Like Christ.could it possibly have a trace of anti venom.Give yourself a sabbatical.cool off.
---Emcee on 2/14/08


MarkV::Ha ha ha That was just a cop out to rescind a rebuttal.Try again My Church as you call it coincides with the word in Matt16:17-19.Prove me wrong do not side step the issue. You judge me like a God But cannot diffuse the word of God as a Man on your own interpretation.You worry about my salvation-Thats my JobYou worry about yours Thats Your Job.I am sorry/Not upset? for being direct & outspoken.Since you want TRUTH this is it.
---Emcee on 2/14/08


The Blessed Mother indeed gave birth to her Son. As well as the Son of God.
it is in the Bible.

Luke 7And she brought forth HER firstborn SON(Jesus), and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
---lisa on 2/13/08
---lisa on 2/14/08


.alanOfUk, your dissing words have no spiritual substance, because you do not have Christ in you. Therefore you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/14/08


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.rhonda, you speak falsehood and do not follow Christ, nor the man of Christ, instead you are following your own desires.
---Eloy on 2/14/08


If you spend all you time trying to understand scripture by reason you will never know the truth. The Holy Spirit of God is our teacher he reveals, he does not explain, because his ways are not our ways they our higher than our understanding. You must accept his truth at face value and receive it by faith, knowledge that man desires is death.The letter killeth, but the Spirit brings life. Every time your add you thoughts to the incorruptible seed it become corruptible dead scriptures without life.
---exzucuh on 2/13/08


Emcee, You have hardened your heart to the truth even if it's explain to you. Your love for your church has blinded you. I am sorry that you put your church before the Truth, for that has been your habit all your life. Your are already predestine to go someplace and that place won't change no matter how many works you do. They can sprinkle you with water, throw you in a tub, or put you in a river, it will not change your soul. Only God can change your soul.
---Mark_V. on 2/13/08


MarkV::You limit the power of God creator by your interpretation.That is your Finding.You assume Creation means a complete person on the spot.How can Jesus be Eves off spring when He was the Creator?He was GOD.who had no beginning no end.This was the reason for the creation of apure Woman as one who would bear His Seed in the flesh.The enmityGen3:15. is what is happening on these posts His (Jesus's & Marys) People against the followers of the disallusioned satans seed.(misguided Followers)
---Emcee on 2/13/08


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Yes The Blessed Mother.She gave birth to her Son. As well as the Son of God.
it is in the Bible.

Luke 7And she brought forth HER firstborn SON(Jesus), and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
---lisa on 2/13/08


Eloy,

I OBEY God The Father through Christ, following Christ, NOT a man.

Your emotionally charged responses, declarations of correcting me are an interesting approach to blogging about (discussing) Christianity... it's truly unfortunate my response to your postings in your eyes is a personal attack on you, or as you say dissing you, rather than a discussion about Gods Word.
---Rhonda on 2/13/08


Sometimes emotions can be subtle difference in understanding Gods Plain Truth, because emotional responses come from reasoning mens traditions, not obeying Christ.

There are MANY BRANDS of Christianity on this blog ...I'll always be a work in progress with God I'm not all knowing, only working in using scripture on topics here.

Eloy, I'll just ignore your responses going forward - seeing you're belief in yourself is higher than Christ and you have an appearance seeking to convert not discuss
---Rhonda on 2/13/08


Eloy ... No I do not know you.
And I look at much of what you say and it agrees with the Bible.
But on the issue of Mary being the mother of Jesus' earthly body, your words are in contradiction with what the Bible says. Who do I beleive, you or the Bible?
Are you like the Pope, whom you accuse of making up doctrine, and justifying it by "continuing revelation"?
---alan_of_UK on 2/13/08


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Eloy ... And then, again with regard to yourslef, your words put you on an equal with God, and that again is contrary to the Bible
---alan_of_UK on 2/13/08


Eloy ... .
I do love you, and that is why I find it important to point out to you that you are denying what the Bible says.
If you are not denying what the Bible says, you are not putting your points clearly, and perhaps should consider what so many here say to you, and work out why you are misunderstood
Your words put yourself above any prophet, disciple or apostle. If you don't mean to do that, perhaps you change the way in which you say things
---alan_of_UK on 2/13/08


,rhonda, Exactly, Read what you cited, for Jesus said to the woman Mary whom he created, WOMAN, and NOT mother. In context from the literal Greek: "Jesus therefore seeing the mother, and disciple standing by whom he loved, says of the mother of him, Woman, here the son of you, likewise says to the disciple, Here, the mother of you. And he from that time, the disciple took her on being his own." John 19:26,27.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


.rhonda, I can teach the unteachable. rhonda, you wrest the scriptures to try to support your falsehood, and I have corrected you more than once. Still you continue with your falsehood and dis me saying that "I have sincere confusion", but in truth I have the clear mind of Christ with no confusion, and you are no part of me.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


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.alanOfUk, If you do not know me, as you say you do not, then why do you misjudge me if you do not know who I am? You sin, for If you knew me and him whom has sent me, then you would love me even as he Commands, rather than dis as Satan and the Accuser disses.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


.alanOfUk, If you do not know me, as you say you do not, then why do you misjudge me if you do not know who I am? You sin, for If you knew me and him whom has sent me, then you would love me even as he Commands, rather than dis as Satan and the Accuser disses.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


.alanOfUk, When a person hears my words, they will respond in 1 of 4 ways: He will either understand it and accept it, and bear good fruit by it, or he will not understand it and the devil will come and snatch away my word, or my word will be received with joy, but when tribulation or persecution comes because of it, they will take offense, or my word will be received along with receiving other words of the world, and the worldliness like thorns will choke out my word and these people will be barren trees
---Eloy on 2/13/08


.exzucuh, I have no words to you.
---Eloy on 2/13/08


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Exz, I am with you on the last post.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/08


Emcee, I didn't want to use created for a reason. If she was created she would have been created fully grown. She would not have been created as a fetus. When God creates He creates with maturity. So there was no way she was created grown or born in Genesis. Genesis 3:15 is speaking of the women present at the time and that women that was there at the time of the curse was Eve. Mary is a descendant of Eve and so is Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/08


#2. Here is a clear reading of those passages. After cursing the Physical serpent in verse 14, God turned to the Spiritual serpent, the lying seducer, Satan, and curse him verse 15. This first gospel is prohetic of the struggle and its outcome between, "your seed" which refers to (Satan and unbelievers, who are children of the devil), in John 8:44 and her seed (Christ, a descendant of Eve, and those in Him, God's children) which began in the garden.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/08


#3 Emcee: In the mist of the curse passage, a message of hope shone forth-the women's (Eve) offspring called "He" Christ, who will one day defeat the Serpent. Satan could only "bruise" Christ heel (cause Him to suffer) while Christ will bruise Satan's head (destroy Satan with a fatal blow). Paul, in a passage strongly remeiniscent of Gen.3 encourages the believers in Rome, "And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly," Romans 16:20
---Mark_V. on 2/12/08


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Eloy you think you are better than anyone else,you think you know Jesus, you always attack people because they don't accept your Idea's not because of the gospel and that is fruit from a bad tree. There is a difference in bringing forth the teaching of Jesus and what you think about the teaching of Jesus.
You say Jesus is the only God but the word says you would have never known Jesus if his Father had not first drawn you.
---exzucuh on 2/12/08


2
Eloy
Isaiah 28:13 ...line upon line....

John 19: 25-27 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
---Rhonda on 2/12/08


1
Eloy you mentioned in another post you rely on the Holy Greek Scriptures ...maybe this is what causes your sincere confusion...

Mary is the Mother of Jesus

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 2:43 ...as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem, and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
---Rhonda on 2/12/08


Eloy You say I "dis the sanctified of God"
No I am just saying you claim to be more sanctified than any prophet disciple or apostle.
Maybe you are ... I don't know ... but if you are you should be able to justify that claim.
I said before .. "You make yourself to be greater than any Biblical prophet disciple" or apostle" ... I still think yuo claim this. Do you, or do you not?
---alan_of_UK on 2/12/08


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Eloy ... As far as I can tell, your words, which you say are from God, deny what the Bible says.
Why don't you tell me where I am wrong, rather than just condemning me?
Does not the bible say that the Word became flesh (so the Word, the Son, must have existed before it became the human body Jesus)
Does not the Bible say that Mary conceived and bore Jesus?
If those are false words, please explain why the Bible tells lies.
---alan_of_UK on 2/12/08


.emcee, you speak falsehood, because there is no light in you.
---Eloy on 2/12/08


.alanOfUk, you dis the sanctified of God and my words from God, because there is no light in you. And you will say and believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/12/08


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