Two Turtle Doves In Christmas Song
From 1558 until 1829 Roman Catholics in England were not permitted to practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a catechism song for young Catholics. Each element in the carol has a code for a religious reality that the children could remember. The 2 turtle doves stand for the Old and New Testament.
---Barbara on 12/16/05|
Alan ::You are right I agree It was in Cromwells time that it was started by persecuted christians & catholics.
---Emcee on 11/12/05|
I've always heard that they can also stand for friendship. Is that true?
---Chrissy on 11/12/05|
Emcee ... I can quite believe that the carol "Partridge in a Pear Tree" was used to remind people of the things of Christ that you have listed. I do not see that it can have a pagan origin, since it only started in 16th/17th Century.
The song "Green Grow the Rushes, Oh" has a similar theme of referring to things of Christ.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/11/05|
Emcee ... yes you are right about Cromwell. He was the leader of the Puritans, and they were called roundheads because they had very short hair. They were republicans too. The Kings men were called cavaliers, and they had long hair. The Puritans were particularly nasty types of extreme Protestants, and banned all enjoyment in worship, as well as destroying many beautiful churches and religious artifacts (although some here would say they were pagan and therefore worthy to be destroyed).
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/11/05|
ANN::You hit the nail on the head --perfectly true & rigtht-this was born in I believe cromwells time they were the round heads.
---Emcee on 11/11/05|
In 1659 the court of Massachusetts banned all Christmas festivities as a penal offence.William Bradford (2nd Governor) tried to stamp out this "pagan mockery".Oliver Cromwell preached against "heathen practices" of Christmas !But alas and alack....compromise!
---1st_cliff on 11/11/05|
Other than the story of the nativity, practically everything we associate with Christmas today is of pagan origin.
Moderator - That is very correct yet most Christians have no idea they are practicing a mix of Christianity and paganism.
---jerry6593 on 11/11/05|
The partridge in a pear tree is Jesus.2 turtledoves are the O & N Testaments.3 French hens are the Trinity.4 calling birds are the 4 Gospels.5 gold rings are the first 5 books of the OT.6 geese are the 6 days of creation.7 swans are the gifts of the Spirit.8 maids a-milking are the 8 beatitudes.9 ladies dancing are the 9 fruits of the Spirit.10 lords a-leaping are the 10 Commandments.11 pipers piping stand for the 11 faithful disciples.12 drummers are the 12 points of belief in the Apostles Creed.
---Ann5758 on 11/11/05|
Chrissy: Its me EMC more mythical catholic propaganda.BUT you are correct it had its start in ancient christanity.The scene is set in ancient times when christians were being persecuted &some scholar came up with the song because they were not allowed to sing carols in praise of christ.The partridge in a pear tree representsJesus on the Cross the 2 doves is the 2 doves offered at the temple presentation of the child Jesus 3 French hens=are the 3wise men :5 rings represent the 5 books geneses-Deueronomy.
---Emcee on 11/10/05|
true love is God the father
1 Christ on the cross
2 old & new testament
3 faith hope love
4 gospels Matt. Mark Luke John
5 pentateuch Gen Ex lev num deut
6 days to make earth
7 gifts of holy spirit
9 fruit of spirit
11 faithful apostles
12 elements of faith found in the apostle's creed
---Laure5469 on 11/10/05|
There is an "Urban Legend" that the song Twelve Days of Christmas was used as a tool to teach children aspects of Roman Catholic catechism during a period of Catholic percussion in Great Britton; where each number of the song corresponded to something to be remembered: 1- one God, Two Old and New Testaments . . . 12- Apostles.
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---Phil_the_Elder on 11/10/05|
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