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Pat Robertson And Dover

I was disappointed in what Pat Robertson said about the citizens of Dover, PA. He basically wished the wrath of God upon them. Is this a loving witness of God's grace and forgiveness?

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Margaret: It is a shame that you would do violence against a person who disagrees with you. Two of my children do not share my love for the Lord and disagree with me on many issues, but I love them and am glad that they are able to think for themselves instead of being brainwashed by some narrow minded Christians.
---Madison on 2/20/08

Proverbs 6:16-20 These six things the LORD hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren. (NKJV, emphasis mine)
---paul on 3/17/07

As I look at this blog from a year ago, I see debates have always been with us. :)
---Shawn on 1/16/07

He is a God of love and a God of wrath. So, brother Robertson doesn't score well in sugar coating. I am no saint, but I do believe there will be a lot of people one day who wish someone had gotten their attention. It is not God's will that any should perish, but we know that some will.
---mike on 1/9/06

In general, God's grace and forgiveness comes AFTER repentance.

If Dover has not repented from rejecting the very God that owns that land, owns the people & the government who use that land, & if Sharon has not repented from giving away land that God gave to His people, God is not likely to forgive them and give them His Grace.

God's love does not condone sin. He punishes it - thus Jesus. His love is that He is willing to forgive.
---a_servant on 1/8/06

Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

I doubt anyone can prove PR wrong.

Lev 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine . . .

Jer 16:18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
---a_servant on 1/8/06

I was born into the Church and have taken an active part in the Christian religion for 0ver 60 years. However i must say that I am taken aback by three unChristian-like statements made by Pat Roberson in the past few months.

1. His public condemnation of the people of Dover PA.

2. His outspoken support for the assenation of the President of Venezuela, Mr. Hugo Chavez.

3. His derogatory statements with regard to the Prime minister of Israel, Mr. Aaron Sharon.
---Tomas on 1/8/06

Our family loves Pat Robertson. He has helped us in the past personally and has helped many others. We thank God for Pat and his gifts which he uses in his ministry. He is surely a "Man of God"! God bless.
---Julia on 11/26/05

Steven, not one single person on this thread has refuted PR's own words. I have no doubt that his organization has done some good things. The issue I have is with Pat himself. If you did any research on him you would find time after time when he has opened his mouth and said some of the most unChristian like things you could imagine. When someone can prove to me that he never said those things, then I will retract my statements about him.
---NurseRobert on 11/23/05

George please tell us when did Pat do these things?
I heard both of his statements and neither are what you say they were. Have you ever heard any opinions on False Accusers of the Brethren?
---Elder on 11/23/05

Pat Robertson is a man of God with a lot of pressure and responsibility. I don't know how he does it except the Lord gives him the grace. Give the man a break here. These accusations are vastly exagerated, and some are not true at all. These attackes started in the secular world and now here? This is wrong!
---john4738 on 11/22/05

Over the past few years, Pat Robertson has consistently villified everyone who does not agree with him or his politics. If he were truly operating in the love of God, there would be no calls for wrath on dover or requests fro assassinations. It seems to me that there is a problem in his love walk
---Georg5694 on 11/22/05

We like Pat Robertson and my wife and I support his ministry. He does a lot to further the Kingdom, and he keeps on going. He is a man on a mission. His reward will be great!
---Josh on 11/22/05

Pat Robertson's ministry helped me and my family when we first got saved. I have nothing but good to say about him. He has been serving God a long time. He paid his dues.
---Karen on 11/22/05

Nurse Robert, you clearly lost the argument. I read the replys. Now give it a rest.
---Steven on 11/22/05

Cynthia, everything I posted about him were quotes from him. I realize that most of the people in this thread are ProPat but that doesn't change the fact of what he has said. Instead of accusing people of making "false accusations" perhaps you should do some research yourself.
---NurseRobert on 11/22/05

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Amen Cynthia, most likely the opinion of the "silent morallity"! Lke.6:26.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 11/22/05

We don't have to defend the Christian faith, we just have to lift up Jesus and be His example.
---Jeff on 11/21/05

You can talk all day about Jesus, but God knows the dark recesses of the heart.
---Paul on 11/21/05

If I say that Pat has done more for the cause of Christ by accident than the rest of us here have done on purpose would that be slander or the truth?
---Elder on 11/21/05

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Pat Robertson is a wonderful man! I know, I work with him. It really saddens the hearts of the hard working people in his ministry, concerning these false accusations. Satan loves to work through people to try and twist Pat's words around. Pat works hard, loves God and serves Him everyday. We respect this man of God so much that it hurts us deeply when this happens, but Pat just continues along focused on God's work. Jesus warned of this persecution.
---Cynthia on 11/21/05

Darlene: I look at Christ's examples of how He interacted with the sinners He encountered. The woman at the well, the woman caught in adultery, the woman who washed His feet with her tears and hair, Zacheus, etc. He sets the example for how we are to speak and interact with sinners.
---Madison on 11/21/05

Madison,not to dispute you or be argumentive,but where do you ever find God speaking in love about "sinners"? To the contrary God lays it on the line about their sin and punishment,doesn't in some ways Pat follow his Fathers lead.God doesn't wink at sin and His ways with sinners are tough.Sometimes truth doesn't sound as pretty or gentle as we would like it to.
---Darlene_1 on 11/21/05

Thank you Madison and nurse for your anwsers. I was kind of worried there. I think what he says about life and things like that we should not take so serious. I am worried about the one's that do and we should be able to speak against anyone that is twisting God's word to fit their agenda. Many get hurt when someone speaks against them, many defend them even when the word of God is at stake. Defending the Christian faith is most important to us. Thank you again for your answer
---Lupe2618 on 11/21/05

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James: Thank you for your reply. I don't recall ever saying I was a "man of God." There is a lot wrong with my walk with God and He and I are working on it.

As far as PR.... well, you know how I feel about him.
---NurseRobert on 11/21/05

Nancy, on 1/18/05 I wrote " Am I a "good" Christian? Probably not as I should be, but I try to live my live as God would want me to. " My walk with God has been rocky and I will be the first to admit it. Robertson IS a hypocrite and that can be backed up by his own words, and that is NOT slander. Please go back and reread what I wrote and kindly don't put words into my mouth.
---NurseRobert on 11/21/05

I like Pat, he's an upstanding dude. A little passionate maybe but I guess that's what it takes to bring souls in. He's about his dad's business. Ya gotta love that!
---Derik on 11/20/05

Case closed.
---Bob on 11/20/05

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Nurse Robert, You did say you were a slefproclaimed man of God When you said, 'I am a "good" Christian'. How much proof do you need there boy? It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a non believer to know that you slandered Pat robertson. You even admitted that God does not want you doing this and on your very next blog you called Pat a hypocrite again! Go back and read exactly everything you wrote. Your caught red handed!
---Nancy on 11/20/05

Ok Nurse Robert. I got ya! I really didn't mean what I wrote, I was just quoting you on your past replys on this very bolg. You said this very thing about Pat Robertson, How does it feel? You should be careful what you say about someone.
---James on 11/20/05

I have already acknowledged that I was in error about the wording of Pat's words.

I do not understand how questioning a Christian who is in the public eye is equal to slander.

Again, Pat Robertson may be a great guy, but I have never seen him speak in love about the "sinners" he is supposed to lead to Christ.
---Madison on 11/20/05

A number of fine Christian souls have been more than willing to point out the error of my way, a couple even willing to slap me for it, but cannot back it up with fact. I challenge anyone to show me where PR has been "slandered." Joyce? Betty? James? John? Pat?
Janet? Bob? Trish? Marie? Peter? and especially Grace and my favorite moms, Ethel T and Miss Margaret.
---NurseRobert on 11/20/05

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Pat Robertson is really a fine person. He does more than most people realize to further the Kingdom of God and he's been doing it a long time. When someone comes along and slanders this man of God they are only harming their own soul. The tongue is able to light the fires of hell!
---Joyce on 11/20/05

Frank, please look up the definition of slander. The things I've said about PR came from his own mouth.
---NurseRobert on 11/20/05

Madison, thank you, I will look that one up.
---NurseRobert on 11/20/05

James, Im not sure what you mean by "self proclaimed man of God." Would you be so kind as to define what you are saying? In your eyes, I may be a hypocrite, but please enlighten me as to why you think so..
Thank you for your input.
---NurseRobert on 11/20/05

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to the one that said,"they wouldn't go to a church Pat was in," better be careful what you say. Does that mean one of you won't go to Heaven?
---wayne on 11/20/05

Maybe Pat shouldn't have made that statement.
We all say things sometimes we shouldn't. As voters we need to make better choices. This is a God given right to vote. I can see Pat's frustration on this issue. We all should be alarmed at the trend this great country is taking.
---wayne on 11/20/05

Frank? What slander?
---Madison on 11/19/05

Nurse this blog did not start as you say. It started by saying Pat "Basically" wished the wrath of God upon the Dover people. He did not do this.
This blog went from something he did not say to the tone of his voice to now he wouldn't help these people in time of need.
It is a lot of speculation and misstatements of the facts on the part of the people saying these things yet they see nothing wrong with that.
Pat warned Dover that was it.
---Elder on 11/19/05

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NurseRobert: I have read a really good book called "God's Politics." I highly recommend it.

The last thing this country needs is a theocracy led by anyone, much less Pat Robertson.
---Madison on 11/19/05

This is so strange. The people who talk about truth and love the most are the ones who slander Pat Robertson! Pat is not only a human being made in God's image but a fellow Christian. There is one thing that I learned as a believer, Nobody get's away with anything, here or after this life.
---Frank on 11/19/05

I know that Pat Robertson is a man of God. He has done so much for the Kingdom and he get's passionate about what he does. I would support his ministry and know that whatever I give would go to a good cause to further the Kingdom. His ministry helps people all over the world and it brings many to Christ. On the other hand, Nurse Robert is a self proclaimed man of God and the foulest of hypocrites! I don't say this to be cruel, but I have to see it the way I do. I pray for Christianet and you should also.
---James on 11/19/05

Lupe.. Like Madison, I too have no scriptural issue with him. My issues are with how he presents himself as a Christian leader, but then says the things he does. He would have a theocracy established in this country and that scares me.. (okey, I just opened another can of worms)
---NurseRobert on 11/19/05

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The Bible says we are to speak with Truth in Love. I see little love in Pat's comments about Dover. The song says "They'll know we are Christians by our love." The second great commandment is "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Pat would probably not lift a finger to help the city of Dover in a disaster. He would point a finger and say "I told you so."
---Madison on 11/19/05

Madison, I don't see anything wrong in putting your opinion down. What is most important to us all is if you know of anything unscriptural that he has said. I sure would like to know. I love many brothers on T.V. but I check what they say compared to Scripture. I could have missed something they said that was not true to Scripture. I know they are sincere but many times they teach what is not Scriptural. If they preach another God or another Jesus then we are in trouble listening to them.
---Lupe2618 on 11/19/05

Lupe: I do not have scriptural disagreement with Pat Robertson. Never said I did. I have issue with his public testimony which lacks a love for the lost and unsaved.
---Madison on 11/19/05

Betty: I posted the original question. Of course I agree with NurseRobert. Do not start to question my walk with the Lord because it is solid. I love the Lord, and hate to see Christians in the public light not show love to the unsaved as Pat has done.
---Madison on 11/19/05

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Madison, do you know of doctrinal issues that Pat has said that is not Scriptural? If you and Nurse know anything that we don't know, why don't you put it down. I am not afraid to hear something about someone just because I like him. If he is wrong in Scripture as many, not all, Word Faith teachers are, I sure would like to know. Scriptural issues is our life as Christians. To be approved to defend the faith and how not to fall victim to false teachers.
---Lupe2618 on 11/19/05

Betty... A serious question... From your point of veiew, what things did I say that a Christian wouldn't (shouldn't) say?
---NurseRobert on 11/18/05

Does it matter what I consider myself? I beleive that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins. I believe that we should stand up for what is right as God gives us understanding. Am I a "good" Christian? Probably not as I should be, but I try to live my live as God would want me to. So, now, please tell me why you ask?
---NurseRobert on 11/18/05

Nurse Robert, there is nothing wrong with you giving your opinion as long as it's in the Lord. You have clearly crossed the line here. A Christian would not say the things that you said. You need the living and true God!
Madison, you seem to agree with him.
---Betty on 11/18/05

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Hello everyone! I am not new in the Lord but I am new to these blogs. If you would please allow me to give an outside perspective. First off Nurse Robert never said that he is a man of God or not. He may be giving his opinion the way he sees it from a world view. Yes, it is hard to trust some TV evangelists, but from what I have seen, Pat Robertson is ok. He is human too and we all make mistakes.
---Nancy on 11/18/05

Elder, the thread started out as a question about PR and what he said, not what the citizens of Dover did.

To answer your question, assuming that this is the only reason why they voted out the board, then YES, they were wrong. I do not,however, feel God is going to pour out his wrath on the city for this.
---NurseRobert on 11/18/05

Nurse Robert, Thank you for your imput. I know these discussions are designed to be helpful to the body of Christ. Do you consider yourself to be a man of God?
---James on 11/18/05

2 Chr 15:2 . . . but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
2 Chr 24:20 . . . because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you.
Prov 8:17 I love them that love me;

This is what PR was voicing.
---a_servant on 11/18/05

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2. Many Christians do believe that God shows His wrath now and again because God will not be mocked. One thing is for sure, God will deal with the people who try to dismiss His existence and push Him out of our societies. There will come a time when He will remind the people just who this world belongs to and we should not be surprised when this happens.
---M.P. on 11/18/05

Elder I agree with you. Until yesterday I didn't know what it was that Pat Robertson had said so I looked it up on a search engine. It doesn't seem like he tried to bring down the wrath of God on the people of Dover at all, but just told them not to be too surprised it that was what happened. Many Christians have said that 9/11 was the wrath of God (or God withdrawing his hand of protection). Some in U.K. have felt the same about 7/7.
---M.P. on 11/18/05

John: The definition of gossip is to discuss personal information of an intimate nature about someone. What did NurseRobert say about Pat that isn't public knowledge already?

As for Pat being one of us, he may be a Christian, but I would never attend a church he was in.
---Madison on 11/18/05

Grace: Who is the devil to whom you are referring?
---Madison on 11/18/05

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Elder: Pat may be right scripturally. I just do not see a heart of love for people in that man.

If the people of Dover are unsaved, they need to be shown with love how they are wrong. Pat lacks that in his speech big time.

The social worker in me would be with Dover trying to help the wounded in the disaster that Pat speaks of.
---Madison on 11/18/05

Our most important thing should be to protect the Christian faith and expose the one's that distroy every doctrine for their purpose. Many speakers, "Christians" fill their pockets with the money from others and yes, they help other ministries but so do others that are good. If someone is distroying Scriptural truth we should be able to speak. As for Pat R. if someone has anything to bring out of him against any doctrinal issue, they should bring it out so that we all know and make a choice.
---Lupe2618 on 11/18/05

Madison if I say, with a happy smile on my face while laughing and hugging you, "I hate your guts and hope you drop dead" would you pay attention to what I said or how I said it.
By the way I hope you live a happy prosperous life and I would choose you for my team anytime as I have told you before.
What would be more important, what I said or how I said it?
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 11/18/05

Cond #2-->
You cannot determine what is truth by the way someone says it. They don't do it in Courts and it shouldn't be done by Christians.
What disturbs me is that no one has addressed the action of the citizens of Dover. That action and the dislike and disgust with Pat Robinson here makes me think people believe the Dover folks did the right thing.
Cond #3--->
---Elder on 11/18/05

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Cond #3--->
Righteous judgement dictates we judge actions not motives. You cannot tell what motives are.
When there is a "Gripe" about any Preacher or Pastor there is a gathering like a pack of wild animals killing their wounded.
As is typical in our society those that made the wrong decision have become the "Victims" because of what a Godly Man of God has said or did.
Again, who would you stand with when the "chips" were down, Pat or the People of Dover?
---Elder on 11/18/05

I believe dicussing the subject of Pat speaking his mind is not bad. He is one person that speaks what he thinks. Though I have not yet seen or read anything that is none Scriptural I can only say that we can hammer him if we want but I am surprised that the people get mad when we speak of other man that speak against the doctrines of Scripture. We are told we are to be good Christians or that they make mistakes and to forgive them. What should be more important?
---Lupe2618 on 11/18/05

Madison, thank you for your support. I have obviously hit a sore spot with a number of people who thinks that PR is a wonderful man. I wonder how many of these good Christain people had no problem speaking out against Bill Clinton. (Sorry, Elder, another tangent). I think I will remain impudent. Feel free to slap away, ladies.
---NurseRobert on 11/18/05

You have a devil in your midsts and he's trying to take others with him.
---Grace on 11/17/05

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Go back and read all of Nurse Roberts replys and you tell me if that's not gossip. It's worse than that really. These are cruel attacks of slander on another brother in the Lord. Jesus said, "You will know them by their love for one another". Fellow believers this is not so, here. In Jesus name come to your senses! Pat is one of us, remember? Don't let one bad apple infect the whole bushel. Can't you see what's going on here?
---John on 11/17/05

Discussing our dislike of Pat Robertson is not gossip, nor is it worthy of physical violence. What upsets me more than Pat Robertson and his mouth is the supposed Christians here who would slap someone.

Jesus would not do physical violence on anyone here for speaking their mind about a man who is maligning the Church with his mouth.
---Madison on 11/17/05

Rumor or talk of a personal, sensational, or intimate nature.
A person who habitually spreads intimate or private rumors or facts.
---Madison on 11/17/05

Ok, anyone else want to slap me??
---NurseRobert on 11/17/05

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Ethel, you certainly have a right to your opinion. Did you vote for him for president? I'm sorry if you cannot handle the truth about your hero.

And some how, I doubt that Jesus would be slapping me.

And John, what is YOUR definition of gossip?
---NurseRobert on 11/17/05

There is no way to sugar coat it. It's gossip.
---John on 11/17/05

I can understand why he should be slaped. He didn't just give his opinion. I wouldn't have a problem with that. Nurse robert maliciously attacked Pat Robertson's character! This is also a horrible form of gossup and unkind. I might even slap him myself just like an impudant son. I think that Jesus might also.
Sorry Nurse robert, That's MY OPINION!
---Ethel_T. on 11/17/05

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