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Statue Of Buddha In Your Home

In your opinions, if someone brings back from holiday a photograph of a statue of Buddha, or something similar, would that be taking evil into your home?

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I don't want anything in my house that is the devil's.
---shira on 3/31/07


we have idols if that is called evil in our homes...photographs, pieces of furniture etc..collective items that are valuable...computers, flash furnitures etc etc etc...yes photograph of budda is an idol...what do you guys think?
---jana on 7/24/06


Bruce ... that was what I agree with. But I do not believe that the use each day of the same prayer is useless repetition.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/24/06


PART ONE:
I certainly hope not Alan as I have a sutter my self :)

In connection with the Rosary, it seems that particular scripture would be appropriate. The Rosary is not to help one remember A prayer like the so-called Lord's Prayer but rather a method of keeping track of numerous (sometimes hundreds) of Hail Marys and Our Fathers and the like."
---Bruce5656 on 2/23/06


PART TWO:
What motive could there be for praying the same thing over and over but to think that quantity = quality? Surely this was just what Jesus had in mind. When He said they think that they will be heard because of their "oft speaking."
---Bruce5656 on 2/23/06




Sorry. Bruce ... for some reason the system sent my unedited blog. I was going to thank you for looking into the meaning of the scripture word. If that is what we are talking aboout, I think we agree, but surely not about the poor man who stammers?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Bruce ... i agree with you if you are criticising the repetition over and over during one prayer session, but your comment which drew my comment seemed to say that use of the same prayer, such as the Lord's prayer, as is the case in many formal churches, is wrong. That is not supported by scripture. It is interesting though, that the more informal churches, whilst they might have unstructured prayers, tend to go in for very repetitious worship songs.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Alan,
I have been thinking about your interpeting the word "vain" along the lines of vanity (ie wanting to be seen, to impress.)so I took a more indepth look at this. Jesus did condemn that attitude elsewhere Mat 6:5,6 however in this passage, the words "vain repetition" is a translation of one word in the greek - battologeo (from the proper name Battos a man known for his stammer)meaning:
1) to stammer
2) to repeat the same things over and over,
---Bruce5656 on 2/23/06


PART TWO:

Strong suggests "Some suppose the word derived from Battus, a king of Cyrene, who is said to have stuttered; others from Battus, an author of tedious and wordy poems.
Don't you think that puts it in a different light than the concept of vanity?
---Bruce5656 on 2/23/06


Mod ... you say it is baiting, or attempting to divert the discussion. I do not intend it that way, but just to check a point that seems to me to be wrong, or contrary to scripture. In this case I was commenting on the impression given by another blogger that Jesus condemned repetition. That is not true, He condemned VAIN repetition. As presumably you cannot view past blogs, you did not know exactly what had prompted me to make my comment, so you can be excused for thinking I was defending the rosary.

Moderator - In all sincerity, I know you are not attempting to doing anything wrong. My concern is with the readers on these blogs whom may have very little Bible knowledge or may not be Christians. As much as all of us bloggers can make our statements clear, the better, myself included. Thanks.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06




Mod as far as I am concerned the rosary is quite immaterial and irrelevant to the point I was originally making, which was just to say that repetition of itself is not vain. You introduced the rosary ... I do not know why, unless it was to try to imply that I was saying something that I was not.

Moderator - It seemed the rosary was everyones reference point in the discussions. What is your specific reference point of your comments? Frequently, you bait and switch the topic of discussion and send confusing comments into the blogs. The blogs aren't designed for that type of debate as it could confuse the 90% of the people that are readers only.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Moderator ...# 4 of 4 .. I am not saying that worship of Mary is right, and understand that you believe that the Rosary is chiefly used for that purpose. I do not know enough to comment on that, and in any case it is nothing to do with the point I was trying to make originally.
Finis
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Moderator ...# 3 of 4 .. Now, turning to the rosary ... I have not studied its history. But if the use of the rosary helps someone to offer devotion and sincere prayer, it is not wrong. The fact that there are similar things in other religions, or in use before Christ does not make it wrong. There were animal sacrifices around before Christ, that does not make the Jewish animal scarifice pagan. There were human sacrifices, and redeemer figures around before Christ, that does not invalidate Christ.

Moderator - I would recommend that you research how and why a rosary is used before coming back to this blog and commenting.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Moderator ...# 3 of 4 .. I am a grammarian, so look at the meaning gramitically of what has been said. To say we are not to listen to false prophets does not say that all prophets are false. Similarly to say that God does not want vain repetition does not mean that not say that all repetition is vain. And length is not condemned for its length, but the Pharisees' motives in long prayers was what was condemned.

Moderator - Again you are guessing my motive versus answering the question asked which was "Do you believe praying using a Rosary is vain repetitions and why or why not?"
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Moderator ...# 2 of 3 ... no it will probably be 4 so do not respond till I have finished!! Scriptures does NOT say that length is wrong, nor thast repitition is wrong. What is wrong is where these features are thewre becasue of vanity, & the wish to impress others or God. But you seemed to say that scripture condemned repetitious prayers because they must be vain. Yes vain repetitious prayers are not much good, in the same way that false prophets should be avoided.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


Moderator ...# 2 of 3 ... Scriptures does NOT say that length is wrong, nor thast repitition is wrong. What is wrong is where these features are thewre becasue of vanity, & the wish to impress others or God. But you seemed to say that scripture condemned repetitious prayers because they must be vain. Yes vain repetitious prayers are not much good, in the same way that false prophets should be avoided.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


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Moderator ...# 1 of 3 ... I see now why you have commented to me about my original comment. You thought I was supporting the saying of the Rosary, I was not, I was just commenting on what seemed to be a condemnation here of repeated and long prayers. I was trying to say that those features did not in themselves diminish those prayers unless they were "vain". Length & repetition does not mean something is vain.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/23/06


PART ONE:
Alan,
If a Catholic is to pray the same prayer hundreds of times in succession, do you realy not see a "the more you repeat the prayer, the more you will be heard" mentality? That is what Jesus (not Paul) was speaking to when he said "FOR THEY THINK THEY SHALL BE HEARD FOR THEIR OFT SPEAKING."
---Bruce5656 on 2/22/06


PART TWO:
The kind of prayer Jesus is condemning is not about relationship or adoration, it is about ritual and the mindset that somehow God is impressed with many, many words.
Do you honestly not see a relationship between this and the kind of prayers that a Catholic prays?
---Bruce5656 on 2/22/06


PART THREE:
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The following demonstrate the extreme lengths some go to to impress God. "the Jesus Prayer could substitute for the Chasoslov by reciting it up to 1,000 times with prostrations."
"Monks often recited the prayer up to 12,000 times per day, until the prayer became "self-active" and they would pray it day and night." PRAYER BEADS ~By Alexander Roman PHD
---Bruce5656 on 2/22/06


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Alan the word vain means empty. We are not to make empty repetitions or empty prayers for that matter. When we are involved in an empty chant that has no meaning to God it is sin.
---Elder on 2/22/06


Sorry Mod. # 1 I had not noticed the Pagan quiz, have done so now & scored 100% It does indeed mention VAIN repetitions, and we are not to use them. But the Bible does not say that repetitions are necessarily vain. So repetitions are OK provided they are not vain. If I sing praises each day, and sing my favourite which I find glorifies God the most, is that vain repetition?

Moderator - "the Bible does not say that repetitions are necessarily vain". To make sure I can comment to your question properly, I need to ask you a question. Do you believe praying using a Rosary is vain repetitions and why or why not?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


I'm sorry Mod that I assumed what you thought.

Moderator - No problem :)
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


I'm sorry Mod that I assumed what you thought. Now I have sent another 2 blogs, do you now undersatsnd what I had said in the first place, and do you think I was incorrect? My point was if you remember that repetition or length is not necessarily vain. The Bible does not condemn repetition or length unless they are vain
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


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Sorry Mod. # 2 The way you say repetitions must be vain is as bad as it would be if I said "The Bible says we are not to worship false gods. Therefore it is wrong to worship God" There are false gods and the real God, and there are vain repetitions, and worthy repetitions.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


Moderator..# 2 Do you really think that someone who has a lot to prise God for, or ask Him, should not do so.
To say we must not use repetition or long prayers is unscriptural and is as bad as the rules the Phasrisees imposed. What is wrong is when those prayers are vain in i.e. unsubstantial, trivial, conceited, boastful'
When you pray, Mod, do you say to yourself, "I must think up a new way of expressing myself today ... oops, mustn't ask that, I asked yesterday"?

Moderator - Again read the scriptures in the quizzes. I have yet to make a comment beyond read the scriptures and you are suggesting all kinds of things about what I am saying.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


Moderator..# 1 have YOU taken the False traditions quiz? The question of repetitions vain or otherwise is not mentioned in any of the questions. The Matthew passage says do not use VAIN repetitions. It does not say that repetition itself is vain. If that were the case, we should not uise the Lord's Prayer. Nor does it say anywhere in the Bible that length of a prayewr is wrong, only that it is wrong to use length thinking that it will impress.

Moderator - Please take both quizzes and then comment.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


Bruce ... I think Emcee is right when he says that what Paul found wrong was the vainess of the repetitions. Paul did not condemn repetitions, and he did not condemn long prayers. He condemned the Pharisees for thinking that these length of the prayers was important. An earnest honest long or repeated prayer is just as effective as a short one, and probably much more effective than a short punchy one delivered to impress.

Moderator - Take the False Traditions and Paganism Bible Quizzes.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06


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A Catholic,
Read the last part of the verse. These people thought that because of their many words they might be heard more. Jesus was rejecting the concept that long repetitous prayers were heard more than a simple heart felt prayer. Read the prayers recorded in Scripture. Other than John 17, they are very short yet effective.
---Bruce5656 on 2/22/06


Bruce said: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: FOR THEY THINK THEY SHALL BE HEARD FOR THEIR OFT SPEAKING."

You're correct, we should not use VAIN repetitions but Paul did not condemn concentrated on repetion.
---A_Catholic on 2/22/06


I've seen those statues of Buddha. They should call that obese bald headed man "Bubba" or "Blubba" instead. No matter how many times you rub his belly, like a genie, it isn't going to hear you nor grant any wishes. It's just another false god and a dumb idol.
---Eloy on 2/22/06


PART ONE:
The Catholic Encylopedia is very clear that the Rosary is for counting prayers. 10 Hail Marys and an Our Father repeated over and over. Reference is made to the effect that the prayer beads were found to be common among Mohammedans (used to count the names of Allah) and Buddhists of Japan etc.

The point of counting is to keep track of the number of prayers repeated eg."...Knights Templar...who could not attend choir were required to say the Lord's Prayer 57 times in all
---Bruce5656 on 2/22/06


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PART TWO:
and on the death of any of the brethren they had to say the Pater Noster a hundred times a day for a week." This is typical of the present requirement to repeat prayers many times over.

What does the bible say about this?Matthew 6:7, "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: FOR THEY THINK THEY SHALL BE HEARD FOR THEIR OFT SPEAKING."

How much clearer could it be than that?
---Bruce5656 on 2/22/06


Emcee I don't expect you to understand Scripture Truth whether it is taught by Luther or Christ Himself. You have lived a religious life without it so far. Your pride in your "Humility" shows your heart. We can expect your hate for Luther for he posted at least 95 reasons why you are wrong in your belief. One of those was THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.
---Elder on 2/22/06


emcee

who is head of the church man or Jesus?

in passing if Peter was the frist pope(there fore unfalllable) then why in galatans did paul (to use todays words) go head to head with him and prove peter a hypocryte because peter was following the belief that gentles must follow the law of moses?
I await your answer.
---willow on 2/22/06


emcee
I was raised catholic and studied it let me ask you a question do you understand what you say when you say the LORD prayer?

IN PASSING learn about buddist prayer beads and you will see the "rosary beads".
---willow on 2/20/06


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Elder:: Thank you for the confidence & even your attempt to be a priest, if you say your knowledge stems from knowing the ins & outs of the RCC & the rosary,& you found the truth like Luther. Then by your tone set here you failed to learn Humility. Jesus was born in a Manger & he was king of Kings. I quote "he who humbles himself will be exalted, Luther sure wasn't.
---Emcee on 2/17/06


This is the time to declare your faith, I wouldnt accept it even if that someone would be offended..if they bring you Buddha or the like,and explain WHY....do they know you as a christian? I wouldn't even give it to someone else..in my home, Jesus reigns...
---karin on 2/17/06


If the calf that the Israelites made was an idol then so is anything else you use to communicate to God with, unless He has ordained it. He has not ordained statues or symbols. They are graven images.
---john on 2/16/06


Emcee my Victory and Protection and Eternal Security is in the Blood of Jesus. I have the power through His Blood to command demons to depart. Shake your beads in the face a demon possessed person and see what happens. Through His Blood I approach the Throne of the Father in boldness and have my request known and answered. I do not have to get to the fifth or sixth bead and remember a chant. My prayer may only be Help Father, and He will answer my need, through the Blood.
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 2/16/06


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Cond #2-->
While you trust plastic I trust the Holy Blood Sacrifice of the Lamb. What happens to you if a string breaks and you lose a bead? The whole issue is I do know more about the Rosary and the RCC than you do and so do a whole lot of others here. Maybe you need to learn what we have.
I told you before I wanted to be a Catholic Priest. That got ruined when I accepted Christ and Scripture Truth. The same thing happened to Luther remember.
---Elder on 2/16/06


Somebody started to use the word "pagan" and now everybody and his brother is using it whether it makes sense or not.

Moderator - Bowing to statues would be a pagan concept and absolutely not Christian.
---A_Catholic on 2/16/06


May I respectfully ask you people to stop misusing the word WORSHIP?

At times I wonder if some of you are interested in discussing issues or attempt to brain wash others.

It had been pointed out the worship in the RCC is directed SOLELY and ONLY towards God and Christ. If you suspect that we worship Mary, the rosary or whatever, that's your problem.
---A_Catholic on 2/16/06


Elder & willow ::Learn about the rosary the weapon which will defeat satan whom you so vehemently advocate by your insistence,in defaming The Mother of Jesus.Yes those Hail Marys & mantras will be his down fall & yours too if you keep on supporting him.The prophecy continues her seed & his seed the enmity spreads like wild fire & you add fuel by your participation on HIS side.The truth will set you free. Mod -you are biased.

Moderator - Yes, Christians are biased toward following the scriptures and not following pagan practices which the scriptures forbid. I don't understand why would you want to follow a tradition of the pagans that the Catholic Church brought in its mist in order to grow its membership?
---Emcee on 2/15/06


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My daughter has a small statue of Buddha in her home but she uses it as a place to burn incense; nothing to do with worship. I myself would not have one in my home as I feel that my home should reflect a place for Christians.
---lee on 2/15/06


This I believe truly comes down to a persons faith before God in Jesus. Satan has no power over us unless we give it to him(ie. believing he can hurt us or torment us) I am not one to believe that there are demons in "everything, around every corner or that it is a spirit of lust or drunkeness etc". We are in a spiritual battle and the Lord Jesus is our victor
---douglas on 2/15/06


Emcee you say the Rosary is all about Jesus as seen through the eyes of Mary. How do you know that? Is that something the RCC told you or did she leave some directions behind to prove this?
---Elder on 2/15/06


Emcee
the the cathloic rosary is baised on the buddist pray bead each bead is for a matra just like each bead in you roserary is for a hail mary or an our father. its pagan in design and in implication. I have a question to you really understand the the our father was not the Prayer of Jesus for himself but to teach his disciples how to pray. read it ask GOD to show you the truth. I did.
---willow on 2/15/06


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MOD::Here you go again more false accusations with unfounded Knowledge The Rosary is all about Jesus as seen through the eyes of mary. The mysteries Joyful sorrowoful, Glorious, & luminous are all about Our Blessed lord which the person recites recalls the life of christ..you stand to infer false information take a catholic test before declaring a false catholic christian practice.

Moderator - Mary nor Jesus told us to use a Rosary. However, the pagans use the tool as well as repetitive prayers.
---Emcee on 2/15/06


I Samuel 5:1-12, > I Samuel 7:-14. Not Good! Spirits are usually connected to these objects. Why were books burned in the book of Acts? Much to learn in this book about 'objects'. I speak as one who saw the 'deadly' results of someone bringing one into their home, affecting their unprotected young! "Wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove"! Don't scoff!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 2/15/06


Yes. It would be like if someone took a picture of hell and brought it in.
---Bob on 1/18/06


Mod ... is the Rosary only for reminding them about Mary? I thought it covered the whole range of their prayers.

Moderator - It does, however the majority is focused on Mary.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


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Moderator ... I do not think the RCs worship the Rosary ... is it not just a necklace which reminds them of the various prayers they should pray? You may say that is vain repetition, but that is not the point under discussion!

Moderator - It is a tool to remind them of their co-redeemer Mary which is false doctrine and is idol worship.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


"Why not statues to remind you of your faith, why not a Rosary to remind you of the prayers you should make?
Moderator - Read the 10 commandments for an answer.
It depends what is aan idol. I have always thought it would be something you worship. But to take the commandment further, it means we should not have a picture or scupture of anything, ouselves, animals, trees etc.

Moderator - Are you saying prayers and bowing down before the picture, scrupture, etc. - probably not? However, that is what is occuring with the rosary and statues of Mary.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


If I make a graven image (statue) to bow before and pray, it is an idol. If I have to have an object to make contact with God, that is an idol.

Jesus told the woman at the well that true worship is "worship in spirit and in truth." He was contrasting this with the system of worship that was dependant on things and places. Is any religion any more full of "things and places" than the Catholic church?
---Bruce5656 on 1/17/06


I have never heard that Catholics worship their statues of the saints. I do not find a statue necessary to my faith, but I have photos of my late wife to remind me of her. Why not statues to remind you of your faith, why not a Rosary to remind you of the prayers you should make?

Moderator - Read the 10 commandments for an answer.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


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Lynn. Good for you. God bless your prayers to have her delivered from Idolatry.
---john on 1/17/06


Lyn Bedford:: @87 your mother is not worshiping Idols :This is a fallacy born in your mind, this was something used by the christians in the 8th or 9th century & was declared byThe council Of Nice as a refuted Heresy.What divine worship could your Poor aged Mother afford, she is owing allegiance to god in the Only way she knows how The statue is to recall a imaginary image much like a photograph.Which I am sure adorn your walls in your home.She is YOUR MOTHER.
---Emcee on 1/16/06


Buddhism is worship of a false God, Buddha or pictures of him is idolatory, I saw a t shirt I liked in a shop the other day, but when I looked closely I realised it had a buddha face imprint on it, I did not buy it as I won't have things with false gods in my home, that would include a photograph, would you have a photo of a satanic altar in your home? its the same thing. idol worship and not of God.
---Maxine on 1/9/06


My 87 yr old mom (catholic) lives with us.. She has to keep all her idols in her room..She is just starting to read the Bible. God will remove this pagan idea soon I have faith...and lots of prayer about it.
---Lynn_Bedford77 on 12/28/05


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This brings up a question for me personally.
The salon where I have my nails done is owned by a Vietnamese couple who are Buddhists. Thay have a small statue of Buddha in a corner at the front of their shop. Closer to the back, they have a larger statue, often with fruit or flowers and candles in front of it. Should I give them my business, or go to another salon?

Moderator - If you witness to them, give them business. If you don't witness to them for whatever reason, I would go somewhere else.
---NVBarbara on 11/29/05


Thanks Peter. I will not let her bring them into my home and will suggest that she burns them all.
---emg on 11/27/05


If some one took a trip to the Far East and photographed one of the large Buddha I see nothing wrong with displaying it. Just because you are a Christian does not mean you can not enjoy art. And Buddhism has nothing to do with Satan.

Moderator - Paganism has everything to do with Satan.
---Phil_the_Elder on 11/27/05


Please read my question carefully. I did not ask about an actual statue, I asked about a photograph (an image) of a statue of Buddha,OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. I would never bring an actual object that was evil or connected with a false religion into my home, but I was asking on behalf of someone who photographed things like this whilst on holiday - carvings of Indian gods etc. another example could be a photograph of a totem pole. Should we prevent the photographs (not the object itself) over our doorsteps?
---emg on 11/27/05


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---emg, I'm am so glad that you wrote. Yes, please get this photo out of the house and burn it! This might seem fanatical to the average person but there is a spiritual realm of good and evil just as sure as there is a physical world of the same. I would not want to bring curses in the house. I have heard of curses being bgought on a family just because a war veteran brought back a Japanese comono with a dragon on it, from the Orient. Yes, it is taking evil into your home!
---Peter on 11/26/05


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