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Pagans Decorate Trees

Isn't there scripture in the bible that speaks against the Pagans decorating trees in silver and gold.

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Christians who decorate trees are not pagan.
come folks...see clearly...
It is not pagan to celebrate Christ your Lord's birth. If you want to dance for God GREAT~
If you want to paint a picture for the Lord Great~ If you want to decorate your house garden and trees for the Lord~ Great.
---lisa on 1/24/08


I looked up that scripture & even though it's OT , it still stands 4 today. & we ask why people get upset because we follow the bible & don't have Christmas trees? Please. It is clearly written, & to those whom are new, this passage is an eye opener,thanks to Jehovah God.(& to the person finding this scripture ;-) )
---Candice on 1/24/08


"They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be carried, because they cannot walk. The woodstock is a doctrine of vanities. Silver beaten into plates, and gold, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the metalsmith: blue and purple is their clothing. Every metalsmith is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and no breath in them." Jeremiah 10:5,8,9,14. This is no description of a Christmas tree here, but an idol made out of wood.
---Eloy on 4/30/07


Yes, they carved out idols out of wood and then decorated them with royal colored clothing, but the unlearned commonly twist the scripture in Jeremiah speaking about idolatry to wrongly mean Christmas trees, when there was not any Christmas ever celebrated as of yet, for Christ was not even born until many many many generations later. And Christmas trees are not carved to look like any gods, nor worshipped to be God, nor consulted for answers and guidance in ones life.
---Eloy on 4/30/07


I don't believe anyone is going to go to hell for having a Christmas tree! For some of us it may not be a sin for some it may. If God has in someway spoken to you and He would rather you down play Christmas, by all means, obey Him.
---catherine on 4/30/07




absolutely and thats where the christmas trees started from...Jeremiah warned us about carving things out of wood etc...as Ann said
---jana on 4/30/07


There is scripture that talks against cutting down a tree, carving an idol out of the wood, and bringing the idol into the house to decorate as an object of worship- Jeremiah 10:1-15.
---Ann5758 on 4/28/07


Canda, Actually God did intend for us to cut trees down and decorate them... A house is often made of cut wood that is then decorated. So is much of the furniture in our homes. So, your premis is flawed. God gave much of creation to man - remember Adam was to tend/dress the garden. Let us remember the heart of His command - we are to love the Lord God with all our heart, mind, and soul, and our neighbors as ourselves. It is a heart matter - not a tree matter. Respectfully..
---daphn8897 on 1/3/06


God gave us trees for a purpose, NOT to cut them down& decorate them ,but they have their purpose of being here, God doesn't approve of falseworship mixed with his worship,& false worship is accepting pagan rituals or praying to other gods like OT people did. You either walk the line of God & his teachings or you don't. He doesn't accept both. No matter the "celebration"
---canda3996 on 1/2/06


I wasn't going to respond to this at first due to the never ending arguing and debates, but I will say this. Tree or no tree, gifts or no gifts. The whole point of Christmas is to celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Which is what we do as well as have a tree and exchange gifts. Our main focus is Jesus.

Moderator - Correct, if Christmas is celebrated by a Christian, it should be to celebrate Jesus and Him only; not pagan rituals which give Christ no honor.
---Melissa on 12/5/05




PART ONE:
Moderator,
So you are saying that it comes down to motive? If having a statue does not contravene the SPIRIT of the Word because the CHRISTIAN is not WORSHIPING the statue, I put it to you that the tree falls in the same catagory. No one I know worships the tree any more than they do an image of Christ.

Moderator - Please go back to my previous statements including comments with M.P. and Elder. I don't belief you have understood my comments, therefore are asking me the wrong questions including the wrong comments.
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/05


PART TWO:
Lots of things in society have been passed on to us from pagan societies but we do not reject them. If we are to reject any and all that have any pagan roots, the first thing we might want to do away with is the calendar as we know it as the weekday names have their origins in the names of various gods or holy days
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/05


PART THREE:
Sunday - sun's day, Roman
Monday - moon's day
Tuesday - Tiu or Tyr, son of Odin, Norse
Wednesday - Woden (Odin), Norse
Thrusday - Thor, Norse
Friday - Frig or Frija, Norse
Saturday - Saturni or, Roman
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/05


As we seem to have gone way off the point of trees I'd just like to add my last 2 cent's worth. We have never had Santa or tooth fairies. Always told the kids the truth about why we celebrate anything. They've grown up never feeling that they were deprived. We used to exchange reasonable sized gifts but now give extremely small token gifts and give all extra cash, that would have been spent on gifts, to the needy. Eat slightly differently Christmas Day but not all that differently. We enjoy His birthday.

Moderator - I am 100% with you M.P. Sounds like your focus is on Christ not the pagan ritual parts of Christmas.
---M.P. on 12/5/05


PART ONE:
Once again you avoid the question:

Whether or not you have them in your home you made it clear you see no problem with it. 12-02-05 Moderator - "Jesus can be represented in a nativity scene. Jesus is not a Christmas tree. There is a difference." Whether or not you have them in your home you see no problem with it.

Moderator - A nativity scene of Christ in someone's yard during Christmas wouldn't normally be considered statue worship. If it is statue worship to you, then by all means don't do it.
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/05


PART TWO:
Let me rephrase the question for you:
How do you reconcile Ex 20:4 with having images of Christ, be it a "picture" or a little statue, in A home. What makes it different from someone having a Buddah statue for example?
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/05


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Moderator,
You have sidesteped my question again. I wonder why? Could it be that you really do see the inconstincey in your stand but refuse to admit it? Often you insist that people answer your question. Yet you refuse to answer a direct question put to you. How do you reconcile Ex 20:4 with having images of Christ, be it a "picture" or a little statue, in your home. What makes it different from someone having a Buddah statue for example?

Moderator - Your question has nothing to do with the topic nor do I have any statues in my home, therefore there is nothing to comment about.
---Bruce5656 on 12/5/05


Many christians over the years have followed what is traditional.. what they were taught by their parents, and forefathers, without coming to their deductions and formulating their own way of life re christmas or other festivals. On the issue of whether they are scripture verses on such issues, I will ask how many read the bible, and what level are they at, and are prepared to accept such teachings when the vast majority are contrary to what the bible says.
---guyiyae4898 on 12/5/05


We live in a world of many pratices and many are considered to be pagan in origin. Are many strong to go against what millions pratice and seek to bring to their circle what is or consider to be correct. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. It has been turned into a commercial activity with more emphasis on Santa Claus, buying of gifts and the eating and drinking and festivity.
---guyiyae on 12/5/05


Many day on the days on the modern calendar my have been associated with pagan activities at one time, likewise, many customs may have pagan origins. I think the operable question is, are you celebrating for a pagan or a Christian reason. If you celebrate for a Christian reasons continue the practice; you are glorifying Yahweh and that is the only thing that is important.
---Phil_the_Elder on 12/5/05


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Mod,what my dad use to do is have us open presents on Christmas Eve, and he would read scripture of Jesus birth on Christmas day. I would tell my son, when he was little, the real meaning of Christmas is Jesus birth. I knew he would probably hear about Santa from his dad's family.
To me there are as important if not more important subjects besides trees. For example the blogs on the deity of Christ, is our soul eternal, if so where does our soul go, whether all scripture is the word of God...
---Ulrika on 12/5/05


The problem is this. People get more excited about Santa and Christmas once a year than they ever do about Christ during the year. We teach children that Santa knows all things, lives far off, has promised to return and give good gifts. These things are related to Christ. One day children learn that Santa is a myth and we lied to them. Then we try to teach them about Christ and wonder why they are skeptical. Children see more physical proof that Santa exists than they do that Christ does.
---Elder on 12/5/05


This little tree thinggy is getting too far off base.
The name Santa is the rearranged word Satan, or is it? If I name my dog Santa does that make him Satan?
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 12/5/05


Cond #2-->
If I worship the fact that I don't practice Christmas and the tree thing, ect, is that not as bad as worshipping the tree? Sure it is. The Moderator is only saying consider what you are doing. Military Chaplains wear a cross to identify themselves. Is that a "graven image?" There is nothing evil in the tree and Christmas things themselves but there is in the way some of it is used.
Cond #3--->
---Elder on 12/5/05


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Cond #3--->
Each year Christ is removed further and further from Christmas. Someone "spiritualized" what the tree stood for. There is no validity in the statement, only some idea from someone because it sounds good. If Christmas is so much about Christ why is it that the items that we claim that point to Him are only in our houses once a year? Let's stay home and celebrate Christmas that week end we have NASCAR or Super Bowl tickets. Will that change anything?
---Elder on 12/5/05


moderator, I know you have given scripture. Because it is wrong for you to have a tree, then you should not. 1Cor. 6:12 \ 10:23 I believe having a Santa or singing about Santa is be wrong. Christians should have Jesus in the center of our lives. As long as we don't put something or someone before Jesus, and it does not cause others to do so, I think it is not sin.

Moderator - Yes, I have given scripture. If Christians are using the tree in that way, then they need to stop and reconsider what they are doing. Yes, Santa would be another part of the pagan ritual.
---Ulrika on 12/4/05


Mod .. you ask "When it was your birthday, did your friends and family buys gifts for each other instead of you?"
I do not know why you ask this... this blog is about trees.
The problem here is that we are going over old ground ... you have already made it clear that you disapprove of the celebration of Christ's birth on 25th December. But since you ask, the answer is "No".

Moderator - I don't disagree with Christ's birthday being celebrated provided that is what really happens. However, most Christians celebrate a combination of Christian and pagan rituals such as the gift giving. If you get the gifts for your birthday, how do you think Jesus feels when everyone gets a gift but him for His birthday?
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/4/05


Moderator,
I fail to see the relevance of your question. However I'll humor you. No they do not. But they do put on a special meal (oops pagans have "feasts") they put fire sticks in a cake (oops, pagans have torches and bonfires), they sing a traditional song (oops pagans have their ritual chants).
Will you answer my question to you (12/3/05) instead of your cop-out answer you gave me?

Moderator - If they don't, why would you?
---Bruce5656 on 12/4/05


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M.P. When I was with the witnesses (& I still have their books yes, like other religious books...) I noticed even though they never had "birthday parties" they still went out to dinner or a family gathering even if not "ON" the actual birth-day.
---candice on 12/4/05


to me a tree is just some thing I hang mementoes & stuff on. one time a year we get out this fake tree and do some thing as a family. we remember when the kids made the stuff. talk laughand have fun. to me it is more like a photo album or picture frame. I'm sorry this is hurtful to some. God Christ and holy spirit ARE here and they are who are important to me. to me my tree is just some thing that God made and the lights remind me of the stars that I can't always see. I don't feel condemed from God.
---lauren on 12/4/05


I don't know if Pagans decorate trees or not but they do have some pretty Motorcycles. If I am an unlearned Christian and decorate anything to honor the Lord in my mind will He hold that against me? Is it wrong to paint a picture of Jesus and hang it in my house? We don't know what He looked like so it is only a symbol. Believe it or not there are some weak and baby Christians out there.
To decorate or not is only a preference not a conviction.

Moderator - I agree that all Christians have to decide for themselves and that it isn't a heaven or hell issue. My hope is that however Christians celebrate Christmas that every part of the celebration brings glory to Jesus Christ and doesn't celebrate the things that the world is celebrating.
---Elder on 12/4/05


Moderator, just because something is used in pagan worship does not mean the same thing cannot be used in Christian worship. Candles, for example, are used in satanic services. Does that mean that we should not light candles in our churches? Just because at one time evergreen branches may have been used in pagan rituals, does that mean they cannot be used to decorate our homes and churches? It is not the item itself that is pagan..it's the way they are used. You cannot deny that.

Moderator - You still are avoiding answering the quesitons I gave.
---Ann5758 on 12/4/05


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Moderator, what you say about buying gifts for people, other than the one whose birthday it is, reminded me of something. My niece became a J.W. several years ago and stopped letting her children celebrate their birthdays. My mother was very upset but decided that when it was her OWN birthday she would send them a gift (because she had been told not to do so when it was THEIR own birthday). I know this isn't exactly what you meant but I thought it was rather nice and wanted to share it with you.

Moderator - Yes, interesting :)
---M.P. on 12/4/05


No, Mod, my family do not put up a tree for my birthday. Why should they? I am only me. I do not see that this is relevant to whether putting up a Christmas tree is right or wrong. We do not carve them, nor do we worship them.

Moderator - When it was your birthday, did your friends and family buys gifts for each other instead of you?
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/4/05


Bro.Bruce, caught me on a technicality. My intent wasn't to forbid anything in the home but to recognize things that had been objects of pagan worship. I think that very very few people have no items that are images of Christian worship. It is just that the Evergreen tree as a "symbol" was used first (Biblical history)to worship the "sun god" Tammuz & today we use it as a symbol during the season set aside to worship Jesus the Christ. Again mixing pagan tradition with Christianity.

Moderator - You are correct Mike. That is why nobody has ever answered my question below.
---mike_fl on 12/3/05


Mod .. "Do your friends and family put up Christmas trees to celebrate your birthday?" seems an irrelevant reply to Bruces point. I too think you were unfair in the way you responded to Ann's comment. You made an unjust assumption that Jesus was not present in her house.

Moderator - Please refer to M.P.'s comments. Do your friends and family celebrate your birthday by decorating a tree? That is what I am attempting to bring out in this discusssion.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/3/05


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The commandment about not making graven images is, I am sure, being taken out of context here by quoting only part of it. I don't believe that God says we should not make any image of anything else - otherwise we could not possess ornaments or any such thing. It is saying that any of these things that we might make (or buy) MUST NOT BE BOWED DOWN TO AND WORSHIPPED. I don't believe it is the MAKING of them that is the sin at all.
---M.P. on 12/3/05


Moderator,
I think that you comment to Ann is very unfair.

Surely you are aware that her expression of "not being ashamed to invite Jesus in" etc is a common one that is used to make a point about what we might do or not do, where we might go or not go etc. It is not suggesting for a moment that Jesus is not present spiritualy, but rather refers to the concept - if he were physically present with us today would we go, say or do what ever. It is a given that He is, in fact, present.

Moderator - Do your friends and family put up Christmas trees to celebrate your birthday?
---Bruce5656 on 12/3/05


Moderator,
So it is ok to have statues of Jesus (God) in the house? What about the other characters in the nativety scene, they are not God. Exodus 20:4, "Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness of any thing that is IN HEAVEN above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

Moderator - I believe you should know the answer to that question.
---Bruce5656 on 12/3/05


I would have no qualms about inviting Jesus into my Christmas-decorated house and sitting in my livingroom, enjoying the beauty of my Christmas tree. I'm not ashamed to say I enjoy the Christmas season.

Moderator - That is the problem. Jesus shouldn't have to be invited in. He is suppose to be the center of Christmas to Christians.
---Ann5758 on 12/2/05


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daphn8897, Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! It's about time somebody said that!
---Melissa on 12/2/05


My Sunday school has a tree in the classroom. We did a lesson around it, the tree is shaped like a triangle, standing for the Trinity. It's evergreen, for everlasting life we have in Jesus, it points to heaven, where Jesus is and where we want to go. The only ornaments we put on it are candy canes, which we also have a nice lesson behind them. How can this be against God?

Moderator - Outside of your class, nobody else would derive any of those things.
---bethie on 12/2/05


Mike,
No tree but a nativity scene?? Surely the command to have no graven images (statues no matter how big or small) would be just as applicible to our lives today as the one you say means we should not have a tree? This seems like a double standard. But they are not idols you say? Sounds like the same argument the proponets of trees are using.

Moderator - Jesus can be represented in a nativity scene. Jesus is not a Christmas tree. There is a difference.
---Bruce5656 on 12/2/05


Wow... all this fuss over a tree. To tree... or not to tree... It isn't a tree matter, it is a heart matter. Are men still to be circumcized upon conversion? And, what about pork... do you all enjoy bacon? I think we need to focus on what's really important - Jesus, Him crucified, and His glorious resurrection. I think we need to put things in perspective... continued
---daphn8897 on 12/2/05


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count..& anyhow even IF you or anyone else on here does not bow down (worshiping way) to the tree, it stil lwas cut down even if you yourself didn't do it & decorated when the bible forbids this.
---Candice on 12/1/05


Alan I believe anything God made for the outdoors remain outdoors. IF I do have plants of any kind in my apartment they are fake, for having 3 children under age 7 is the safest choice not to have real plants indoors, but anyhow most of the "Christmas" ideas now& days actually came from the Roman Catholics & when they tried uniting Pagan neighbors& Christians together. I personally belive what the bible taught,& I am thankful Jesus was born,& died for us count..
---candice on 12/1/05


As below, Jer.10 is the best scripture on the "concept" of pagan worship. Actually the tree there referred to worship of Tammuz (son of Nimrod). An evergreen tree was used (representing long life)as were boughs made into circles (wreaths). The worship was wrought with orgies and drunken parties. So, the tradition has morphed and has become mainstream. That makes it "okay" I guess (for others). Not me. I seek Jesus, and yes I do have a nativity scene as focal point of the Holy Day.

Moderator - I don't think Mike that the majority of Christians understand unfortuately. If this holiday is the celebration of Christ, then the rituals and activities need to match that belief instead of the pagan rituals and activities of the world during this time of the year. Take the tree away and most Christians will get as mad as a pagan. Sounds like worshiping the tree just in a different way.
---mike_fl on 12/1/05


The ting is Candice that many of us do not think a pretty tree is pagan, any more than having a pretty pot plant in the house.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/1/05


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The main question is this , If Jesus were standing in front of you & saw you have all thease in your house, biblically what would he say? Even if Jer. doesn't apply to X-mas trees it still applies to pagan things.
---Candice on 12/1/05


The passage in Jeremiah is wrongly misapplied to Christmas trees, for it does not and cannot apply to Christmas trees because it is not a prophecy, nor was Christ even born yet. Instead it tells of the heathen who used molten plates of silver and gold to overlay stocks of statues, and then clothed them, which were graven images or idols of false gods. Please read Jeremiah 10:8,9,14.
---Eloy on 12/1/05


Although we do not decorate a Christmas tree in our home I must add that I know no-one at all who first cuts down a tree, carves an idol from it and THEN decorates it. All those I know who have Christmas trees simply buy one and decorate it. There is no idol carved in any Christmas tree that I have ever seen. IF I ever see one I will point out the appropriate verse to the owner of the tree and advise them to burn the offending object.
---M.P. on 12/1/05


Ann, I agree with you. We put up a Christmas tree every year, not as an idol, just as a beautiful decoration in our home for the holiday. I agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
---Melissa on 11/30/05


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Where exactly does it say we're not to have trees? we're not to have graven images fashioned out of wood in our homes. A tree is not a graven image, and at least in my home, it is not an object of worship.
---Ann5758 on 11/30/05


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