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Is A Evolution College Degree Evil

Is education evil? I graduated last year from college. My family hard core fundamentalist disowned me saying "its the wisdom of man." Making it worse,my degree's in evolutionary biology. I see no conflict between science and faith, they do. They are proudly ignorant. Whose got the problem?

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Len ... It does help if you keep to one name. LeftyLen asked recently about how old the earth is, and he was a biologist. then there was Len K who made a contribition on that blog. I think you are all the same Len.
That blog is already going down the Evolution/Creationist route and some have already given an indication there of their answer to you present question.
My own view is that I do not see why God should not have used evolution in His Creation plan, but most here disagree!
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/11/07

Well, for one there is not a conflict between evolution and faith. Natural selection basically says that if there is a group of white rabbits and a group of brown rabbits in an environment that is covered with snow the white ones will live on to pass on their genes because they were camoflaged, not that man was evolved from monkeys.
---James on 1/29/06

In an earlier entry I said that scienece fact is tomrowos belly laugh, and look at the news!
South Koreneminent scientist who said he had cloned stem cells now proven to be a fraud and a fake!
So before we hear about the fundy Christians, like me, lets hear about the fraudulent scientists.
---mike6553 on 1/16/06

Science is mans way, the Bible is my way. Choose whom you will serve. You can not serve two masters. Yes, education is foolishness, and YOU have the problem. Todays colleges are breeding grounds for new age, Darwinism, and sexual misconduct, why throw your parents money?
---robert on 12/16/05

I would think history would be a better argument FOR atheism, than evolution, which is agnostic. In the final analysis, those who object to natural selection do so on viseral grounds. In a debate class in college, the fundys resorted to emotion. Again, I see no conflict between science and faith. I do see conflict between fundamentalism and everything else.
---len_k on 12/15/05

Huxley's-a vile family? My goodness! As a teen Aldious Huxley's "Brave New World" was a banned book in the fundy school i was raised in. As to Darwin, he was a religious man. He refered to 'the Creator' many times in Origen of Species. -God driven out of schools? Cultural secularism is a problem, what science has to do with that is so little. It can be more traced back to Descartes, and enlightenment philosophers than 'Darwin.'
---len_k on 12/15/05

As the one who raised Huxley, I want to defend my use of this vile family. Julian Huxley was a scientist, and in fact had been promoting evolution before Darwin. The anti church brigade grabbed onto Darwin, as it is neo-science, and used it to drive God out of the schools. Look up the phlatid plant/bug, and tell me how it evolved. That is the correct spelling.
---mike6553 on 12/13/05

What i am hearing is just rhetoric, and rhetoric and reality are never married, and seldom date. All the 'straw man' fallasies tossed up hare are based on. Bloggers toss up Huxleyand Hitler, all non-sequiter, another fallasy. Someone brought up, 'man coming from monkeys,' what nonsence is that, other than pure ignorance. Does OBJECTIVE REALITY as in mtDNA mean anything? Its form over substance.
---len_k on 12/9/05

Lenny: If your degree is in evolution, then surely you must know the full title of Darwin's work, "The Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life". Do you also subscribe to this racist philosophy as did Marx, Lenin, Nietzsche, Mussolini, Stalin and Hitler? It was this "survival of the fittest" mentality that emboldened the socialist class warfare of Marx/Lenin and the mass murders of Hitler and Stalin. - CONTD
---jerry6593 on 12/7/05

It was this "Favored Races" philosophy that inspired Hitler's quest to perfect the Aryan race through "genetic cleansing." If you can explain how this "kill or be killed" mentality is compatible with Christianity, I'd like to hear it. I prefer to study the works of true Creationist scientists like Newton, Kelvin, Kepler, Linnaeus, Lister, Mendel, Pasteur, and Einstein. Their works have greatly improved the lot of mankind; whereas Darwin"s has degraded and destroyed it.
---jerry6593 on 12/7/05

Interesting side light, look at the original supporters of evolution. One name sticks out: Thomas Huxley, either the father or the uncle of Aldous Huxley. Both well know anti Christians, atheists.
---mike6553 on 12/6/05

I have heard it argued, that as we are animals, derived from monkeys, that killing a foetus is not a sin, as it is just killing another animal. If we are derived from animals, then we are not special in any strecth of the imagination. Harder to prove in a short space is the origins of Nazism and the evolution debate.
---mike6553 on 12/6/05

Part 2 Len,I pray that the Holy Spirit will open your eyes, that you might see the error in that type of thinking. Your response to my earlier post indicated that you counted me as one against "science" when in fact I am not. I believe true science, based on verifiable, viewable information is relevant to our society. Evolution is NOT true science, regardless of how many "Professors" say otherwise, unless they can back it up with unchanging proof.
---tommy3007 on 12/6/05

Part 1 Len, According to what I read in your last 2 posts, you apparently believe that scripture is something less than what it really is, and therefore, not equal to learning. Eduaction, in and of itself is not evil, but, when we reach the point of thinking ourselves "superior" to scripture, we place ourselves in jeopardy. The Bible is NOT just a compilation of men's writings about God, but, indeed the very words of God. They are, therefore, superior to ALL of man's learning.
---tommy3007 on 12/6/05

mIKE6443 ... "a doctrine that has been used to back abortions" What doctrine is that? Can you give us chapter & verse?
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/6/05

As usual, the evolutionists think that they know everything, that all of revelation can be found in a test tube. Get real people, take a look at the history of science. Last year "indisputable fact" is this years belly laugh. In the history of the world, ony one thing remains unchanged, the Word of God. If that makes me a fundamentalist, I would rather stand before God and admit to believing in Him and His word, then admit to believing in a doctrine that has been used to back abortions.
---mike6553 on 12/6/05

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Evolution, a mix of scientific theory, mathmatical wizardry, archeological pieces and parts, some actual history, and lots of filling in the blanks. Remember the missing link between man and animal, It was the serpent. No quantum leap. Simple Bible. Ignorance IS bliss my friend. Enjoy your knowledge but also seek your parent's source. There is enough room that if they draw you out of their circle, enlarge yours to include them.
---mike_w on 12/5/05

2.Their claims are accepted only to the relitive degree of the ignorant who listen. The fact is, modern science source is based in the judeo-Christian tradition, something they deny. They create a false duality, us/them. For them its the atheist-humanist-secular-cultist-newage-leftist-liberal-zionist-intellectualist-Darwinist-pagan-democrat-socialist-vs. the voice-in-the-wilderness Godly Fundamentalist. (chuckle
---len_k on 12/5/05

1. Some here are reduced to scripture verses. I see God's handprint in all of Nature. My argument for God is ontological, too much for a blog. I believe God must be approached with a contrite heart, trancending what I know or think I know. Humility is the first step. NONE of my physical science professors were atheist.(Liberal social science professors, thats another story) I do not imitate what i learned, i innovate. My issue is with fundys who push an anti-science, anti-thought agenda on society. )
---len_k on 12/5/05

Who has the problem here. Your hard core fundamentalist family....or You? How can someone help you base on the little information presented. Are you unhappy being disowned?????or are you having second thoughts re your decision to study in the area you did. I see this a case where you and your family need to put aside pride, egos and to have dialoug and seek to understand each others position and stance in life and be united as a family.
---guyiyae on 12/5/05

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1 corinthians chater 1 and vs 27 outlines some aspects on the wisdom of this world and the strategy that God has used to confound the wise of the world. One must commend you for seeking to educate yourself. Is it wise to label persons proudly ignorant, because you have sat in a classroom and absorbed and regurgitated information.
---guyiyae4898 on 12/5/05

Education is not Evil...God created this world and in so doing open the avenues that men and women could acquire knowledge.One can sit and intellectualise so much and look for facts and proof to cement what they believe in.I have sat in seminars here to listen to many top scientist who did not believe in God dispell their earlier therioes and fully proclaim their new found faith and belief in God.
---guyiyae4898 on 12/5/05

Who is "proudly ignorant? For the invisible things of him from the CREATION of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: . . . but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME FOOLS. . . Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator (Rom 1:20-22, 25)
---jerry6593 on 12/5/05

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since, the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the CREATION. For this THEY WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby, the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. (2Pe 3:3-6)
---jerry6593 on 12/5/05

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creation- "ism" is religion. It represents ONLY fundamentalism, not the majority of protestantism. I do not begrudge those who would say, based on faith that the pacific ocean does not exist, or La Brea Tar Pits, or DNA does not exist, but we must define our terms. It is an idiosyncratic dogma.
---len_k on 12/5/05

Len boy, open your eyes and you will find all the facts there. There are many scientists who are turning back to creationism because they have lost the illusion of the evolutionary theory. As far as enemies of Christ, I am not an enemy of Christ, I just don't believe that the God I serve is subject to any scientist's theories, but, rather these theories are subject to evaluation against the word of God. I am not, nor have I ever been an advocate of "dark ages" type theology.
---tommy3007 on 12/4/05

I'm looking out my window in awe at a glacial cirque on the mountian behind me, its wonderment fills me with rapt amazement like an Emerson poem. Oh, the wonder of Gods creation! Undergrad work was analysis of some Miocene alluvium in the Mojave, a hot sweaty experience gringing me into objective reality. But it, nor the mountian cirque does not exist, so I have nothing to show awe towards. "Objective reality pitted against faith is of no consequence." -Kant. Jerry, Please don't deny me God!
---len_k on 12/4/05

mike: I too am confused about the left and other ken. My background is a physics degree with studies in historical geology. Like you, I was very smug about my evolutionary superiority. That was many years ago. Since then, I have found that I was completely wrong. True science does not bear out the claims of Darwin's theory any more today than it did 150 years ago. Ken is apparently a recent graduate, and still regards his professors with reverent awe. Hopefully that will change with time.
---jerry6593 on 12/4/05

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Tommy boy- I guess medieval Christianity did not die with the middle ages. I note fundys do not have to back up their statements. You are free to go to every university and inform every professor in every physical science department of you informed findings. I have heard it said the worst enemies of Christ are not the unbelievers, but some of his followers.
---len_k on 12/4/05

They have the problem. Wisdom is the ability to discern when to use both your academic and experience. Godly wisdom is the same thing, but using it as God directs. There is nothing wrong with your area of study - as long a God directed you to take this study. It certainly is an area that needs a Christian approace.
---WIVV on 12/4/05

What puzzles me is why "anyone" would want a degree in science fiction, There is less proof for evolution than there is for Biblical creation. God made all things "perfect" according to scripture, so, where is the need for evolution? As Alan said, God could have done His creation anyway He wanted to, but, Scripture clearly shows that He spoke everything into existence.
---tommy3007 on 12/4/05

I see no conflict between science/creation. I never called them ignorant, it was self-evident, they were proud of it. I am very interested in archeology.
---len_k on 12/3/05

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I wonder which happened first, them disowning you or you calling them ignorant.
---M.P. on 12/3/05

Difficult one there, Len.I used to be proud of my belief in evolution, looked down on the people who thought the Bible was the only answer, and then stopped and looked at evolution, and the genuine scientists who denied it. Are you better then Einstein, for a start.
I have found it takes almost as much faith to believe atheists, who seem to make up the majority of evolutionists, as it does the Bible.
If you would like to talk another scientist, admitedly archaeology, penpal me.
---mike6553 on 12/3/05

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