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Is The Bible The Authority

Why do NON-Catholics consider the BIBLE as the only Authority for our life-style. Why is the Bible our Supreme Authority as a Christians. Note: I believe in this, just need some other insights.

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Jana,
I know what "sola scriptura" means but I dont believe in it because the doctrine contradicts scripture. The Bible doesnt say that the Bible is the only source of authority for Christians. I am not sure what your point is.
---janet on 12/18/07


Faith and reason are not opposed to eachother but in reading some of these posts you would come to believe that they are. People who argue that the Bible is the only source of authority for the believer are ignoring the fact that The Catholic Church and its' authority decided the books that would be included so if you accept The Bible as an authority, you have to accept the Church's authority. Jesus didnt give us the Bible when he ascended into heaven, he gave us The Church.
---janet on 12/18/07


.greyrider, Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but if you repent then I would be able to hear you. John 10:4,5.
---Eloy on 12/17/07


No one lives their life like the Bible is the "only authority". Even if we disregard the posibility of it having some errors in it, there is still the fact that it is silent on many matters and confusing (or even disturbing) on others. I believe that we have a conscience given to us by God to help us and that God can still inspire us or talk to us to let us know His way. Many claim that things are "biblical" when it is merely them twisting the bible to meet their opinion.
---chris on 12/17/07


eloy - Paul warns of people who preach another Gospel. You are preaching another Gospel, different from the one preached by the Apostles. Do you know more than they?
---Greyrider on 12/17/07




Here is one. Although we are suppose to love our neighbors. This does not mean that we have to put up with everything. So I asked the Lord this morning, "What are we suppose to do"? And He said, "You can learn to stand your ground". And I realized, Jesus did. I also asked God, To teach me".>>>Here is another one: If you spent more time in prayer and worship you would have less time to put up with Satan. There is not enough hours in this day for both. Prophetess Catherine++
---catherine on 12/17/07


I believe that the bible is our Supreme Authority but not the only authority. We have each other to keep us 1. from sin 2. in fellowship 3. focused on God (and 4 thru 100, I can go on and on.) But without the bible there would be no way we could know God unless God made himself known physically like in the old days.
---Stephan on 12/16/07


God's Word is our authority.
If you corrupt His Word, you corrupt yourself.
---lovable_linda on 12/16/07


The Bible only has as much authority as you or I want to give it. Protestants have a tradition, by the way not found in the Bible, that the Bible is the sole authority for Christian faith and practice. That tradition started with Martin Luther.
---InimicusStultitiae on 12/16/07


janet, Sola means ALONE: so Sola Scripture means The Bible/Scripture Alone..no manmade ideas included in it..ALONE..The word Bible is not scriptural either cos its a name of the book.We have to use descriptive words to explain ourselves..How else can you explain yourself without unscriptural and descriptive words can you tell me?
---jana on 12/16/07




Well, the bible is not the only authority for our lifestyle.The preacher is also-- as long as he's preaching the Word of God.The Bible is our supreme authority as Christians because it is forever settled in Heaven.His word shall never pass away!!Everything else will.
---donald on 12/16/07


RE: Catholics never changing. What happened to Limbo, indulgences? Just small to start. Then there is the whole universe revolving around the earth. The flat earth things. If my history recall is correct all things that the pope at the time declared infallible. As a 'christ' on earth not changing, quite strange.
---dan on 12/16/07


Bible our Supreme Authority: Absolutely..We are the creations and we are subject to the Creator who is the Word/Bible John 1:1,2 and The Word made flesh 1:14. We are to obey all His commands not just some..God ne ver commanded the pope to be His rep on earth..EVER..we all are His disciples who should be going out to do HIs work and the fields are ripe ..... not enought workers..
---jana on 12/15/07


.janet, "He that is of God hears God's words: you hear not, because you are not of God. He that knows God hears me, he that is not of God hears not me. I speak the truth from the Lord and you receive me not, but if another come in his own name speaking smooth dead words, him will you hear. This thereupon know, that in final days will be mockers, false accusers, desecrating speakers, slanderers, not lovers of good, and self-condemned, for out of the mouth the heart speaks."
---Eloy on 12/15/07


If we are speaking of authority as in power (control) the Bible is to guide us through life in how God wants us to live. B-basic I-instructions B-before L-leaving E-earth

Jesus said: For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes, and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."
Matthew 8:8-10
---Victoria on 12/15/07


Because of christ
---Jack_8773 on 12/14/07


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Think about this. The RCC has had numerous scandals, even a handful of Popes who may have been atheists, just seeking the power of the position, and STILL there have been no doctrinal changes in 2,000 years. Obviously, if a non-believer worked his way up, you would think it was to make changes, but "something" stopped him. Divine Protection? Matthew 16:18
---Greyrider on 12/14/07


Darlene-Bible is God's Word to mankind,its all we need to follow Jesus.


Passage Acts 20:35:
"In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' " Where does Jesus say this?
---Ruben on 12/14/07


Darlene-This tells who to believe. Bible is God's Word to mankind,its all we need to follow Jesus




Then why does the bible say the church is :"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. "1 Timothy 3:15:
---Ruben on 12/14/07


The doctrine of sola sciptura (Bible only authority) did not appear until after the Protestant Reformation in 1500's. This doesnt have anything to do with the Jews in the OT. Christianity began when Jesus established the Church and the NT was written almost 400 years after His death when the Church decided which books were inspired and would be included in the Bible. This shows that the Church's authority preceded the Bible's authority. It is actually both the Church and the Bible, not either or.
---janet on 12/14/07


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This tells who to believe. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren,in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly,and not after the tradition he received of us. The us is the Apostles of the Bible. Mt 15:2,3,6,Mark 7:3,5,8,9,13,Col 2:8,1 Peter 1:18 all against following the Traditions of Men. Extra Biblical teaching is Traditions of Man it means nothing to Christians lives. Bible is God's Word to mankind,its all we need to follow Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 12/14/07


1. The Bible quotes over a dozen other books as scripture
2. Sola scriptora was coined by Luther, but he later rejected it.
3. No protestant denomination can claim apostolic authority as laid done in scripture.

The RCC offers a claim to authority, but their bittersweet histories (its fruits) leave that claim dubious. Its clearly a force- today, for good, but much of its history is that of bad Popes, wars, intolerance, inquisition, rotten regimes, etc.
---MikeM on 12/14/07


So I guess we have another Greek scholar on our hands who knows the Greek better than the translators of The Bible. I question that you have a better understanding than those individuals who actually translated the Bible into English from Greek and Hebrew and you still didn't answer my question where does it say anywhere in The Bible that the Bible is the ONLY authority because it doesnt and that's why you're skirting the issue.
---janet on 12/14/07


.janet, your inaccurate use of the word "traditions" is an english mistranslation of the Greek word "paradoseis", which should be correctly translated "same teachings" (ie: paradoseis= para, parallel + doctrine). "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, because they have no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
---Eloy on 12/14/07


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danna- So Jesus is the Word, meaning not only God's spoken Word, but his written Word. Therefore, if Jesus is the Supreme authority, (and He is), then God's written word is the Supreme Authority.

"Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."
John 21:25 "
---Ruben on 12/13/07


Eloy,
Could you please tell me where it says in scripture that the Bible is the only authority even though I am Catholic and you are not speaking to us. The Bible says holds fast to tradition whether oral or written. Sola Scriptura is not scriptural. It's a man-made doctrine of Martin Luther.
---janet on 12/13/07


1 Timothy 3:15 - if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. - Whose interpretation of the Bible? The Bible ITSELF points you toward The Church. At the time Paul wrote this, there was only one Church, and yes, Ignatius of Antioch, student of Peter and John, was already referring to it as the Catholic Church.
---Greyrider on 11/25/07


John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Keep reading through the chapter and you find this is referring to Jesus. So Jesus is the Word, meaning not only God's spoken Word, but his written Word. Therefore, if Jesus is the Supreme authority, (and He is), then God's written word is the Supreme Authority.
---danna9955 on 11/24/07


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James 1:22
"But be ye doers of the word..."
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand forever."
God is a God of order and he places people in authority, but they all must come under his word. And we must not only take a person's word for what God wants, but must go straight to the source (the bible) ourselves and "study to show ourselves approved unto God.." 2 Tim. 2:15
---danna9955 on 11/24/07


Since I am not a catholic I will not speak fro catholics, but we the born-again Christian know and have proof that God's Word is worthy of all acceptation and total obedience over any other "so-called" authorities. God's Word is the highest authority and all things that he has made, and all clay, is in subjection to him.
---Eloy on 11/23/07


If an authority tells you to do something which you know is wrong, we Christians are commanded to obey God rather than man.
---Eloy on 11/23/07


andre - just to clarify something. While I "concede" the Sergius story, I should mention that Sergius did not kill anyone. A group of people who backed him did the killing. The was never any evidence that he commanded it, but it was a terrible occurence nonetheless.
---Greyrider on 11/21/07


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andre - I'll concede the Sergius story, but the other two are myths that very few historians give any credibility to. BTW, Pope Joan never existed either.
---Greyrider on 11/21/07


Pope Leo V only reigned for one month. Cardinal Christopher put Leo in prison and became Pope. Then Christopher was put in prison by Cardinal Sergius. Sergius killed Leo and Christopher.He also killed every cardinal who had opposed him.
In 1298,Pope Boniface VIII ordered that every man, woman, child, and animal in the Italian town of Palestrina be slaughtered. He was known for torture, massacre, and ferocity.
Pope Clement VI reigned 1342 to 1352. He ordered the slaughter of an entire Italian town.
---andre5846 on 11/21/07


Grey - you asked.....this is why I have a big problem with papal succesion and infallibility

If they are just men - "criminal" but to claim they are Jesus Christ on earth ...

how dare they

otherwise it would just be bad history
andrea
---andre5846 on 11/21/07


Andrea, no one denies the scandals in RCC history, but what "murders" are you referring to? Is this a "Davinci Code" thing?
---Greyrider on 11/21/07


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ruben: (1):

First of all, it says it is "profitable", but doesn't say that nothing else is profitable.

Second of all, just what exactly IS "scripture" in this context? At that point, it was only the old testament. The creation of an "official new testament canon" was only done several centries later.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/07


ruben: (2):

But how as that done? By "sola scriptura", the council that decided it would not have had the authority to do so, since their decisions were necessarily made outside of scripture (and there was no "scriptural mandate" for any council to create a scriptural canon.)

For a scriptural canon to come into existence, some kind of extra-biblical scriptural authority HAD to exist (presumably passed down trough apostolic succession).
---StrongAxe on 11/21/07


I thought the Orthodox church was closer to scriptural then the RCC and they don't have all the murder and mayhem in their history

I still don't get the Mary worship (prayer is worship)--not happening nope its blasphemy
---Andrea on 11/20/07


MikeM, you bring up an interesting point. No one, including Catholics, disputes there has been scandal and corruption throughout RCC history, and STILL there were no changes in teaching. We've had 3 or 4 POPES who may have been atheists, whose whole reason for becoming priests was to seek the power of the papacy and EVEN THEY never changed a teaching. Divine protection? (Matt 16:18)
---Greyrider on 11/20/07


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Sola Scriptora was coined, invented by Luther. Late in life he rejected it as he rejected several books of the NT. I ask, where in protestantism is the apostolic authority as given to the Apostles?
Sola Scriptora reduces the Bible to a mere talisman, one that potentates, demagogues and religious tyrannts can, and have used to control people, nations.

The RCC does have an apostolic claim, but their bittersweet history leaves that in question.
---MikeM on 11/20/07


A-Servant-2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17

As Author of the Bible, God is "The Authority", and He says His Word 'thoroughly furnishes' us.

It seems no other 'authority' is needed.


Where do you get "Authority" in this scripture? God is the Authority , but scripture is not!
---ruben on 11/20/07


"Clearly ecclesiastical authority is something that has changed over history, so that is not a reliable standard."
Great insight Lee. I agree wholeheartedly, except for the fact that there is one church that has never changed one doctrine in 2,000 years. The Roman Catholic Church. As many atheists turned Christians have said, "that is humanly impossible, there must be a divine force guarding the RCC's teachings" Maybe God is revealing this to you.
---Greyrider on 11/20/07


When you use the passage in Acts to prove the doctrine of sola scriptura, you should realize that those in question were not Christians; they were Hellenistic Jews. There was no doctrine of sola scriptura , the Scriptures were held as sacred. If one of the two groups could be tagged as believers in sola scriptura, who would it be, the Thessalonians or the Bereans? The Thessalonians, obviously. They, like the Bereans, examined the Scriptures with Paul in the synagogue, yet they rejected his teaching.
---Johann on 11/18/07


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Christ did not intend for us all to fight with eachother over words. The words are truth yes, but only to help lead our lives including basic laws and how we should worship. Instead of battling we should help eachother learn. Christ is our example.
---The_Fly on 7/28/06


if any of you truly read the words of the holy spirit then all of these questions would already be answered in your heart. When a person accepts Christ as their savior it means they accept his sacrifice he made to us, doing that is what sets our soul free unto hearing and seeing the signs of the trinity. either you belive or you are already breathing ash..
---The_Fly on 7/28/06


The Bible is the only valid standard that we have to determine Christian doctrine.

It is the only place we truly have the very words of God. If the word of God is elsewhere, then how is it identified?

Clearly ecclesiastical authority is something that has changed over history, so that is not a reliable standard. This belief that God gives insight to man bit by bit as needed, simply is not verificable.
---lee on 1/12/06


2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As Author of the Bible, God is "The Authority", and He says His Word 'thoroughly furnishes' us.

It seems no other 'authority' is needed.
---a_servant on 1/6/06


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len, what sort of bad results ever came of a revival? i think revivals are a good thing. i love giving altar calls for salvation and recommittals to God. And personally i think America needs a major recommittal back to God so he can bless this land once again.
---Eloy on 12/20/05


Eloy; Revivals have come and gone, some had positive effects, some not. They are American as can be. I think most have more to do with endorphines than anything. As to your Bible verse, Yes looking to Jesus as the Christ is a first step. The Bible also says, "all those who call me Lord Lord I will not recieve." A more consist systmatic theology I think is called for. I also have written on an apostasy after the death of the Apostles.
---len_k on 12/19/05


Len ... why do you not tell us your "religion" The fact that you use that word makes me think that you either are not Christian, or belong to one of the so-called "Christian" cults. Certainly soem of the things you say seem contemptuous and mocking of Christianity.
Why not be honest and open like the rest of us here?
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/19/05


len, the Azuza out-pouring was not the start of born-againism, instead the Born-againism started in 27 A.D. in Jerusalem. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12,13.
---Eloy on 12/19/05


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Born-againism-a form of fundamentalism. was came to be about a 100 years ago, in Azuza Ca. It represents American culture, an affectation of our 'instant' everything culture. Its popularity is explained by it being the 'Christianity of the common denominater.'(If I say any more on the matter, it will reveal my religion.)
---len_k on 12/18/05


len, the Christians always had the scriptures which were manuscripts uncodified by any one or any church. The Greek Constantinopolitan MSS are the most accurate. The true Christians were those who were born-again and followed Christ Jesus, they were not protestants of anything, and they certainly were not those who followed the Roman church or the Roman Pontiff Pilate. Though i do agree, apostacy from false doctrines did enter the churches soon after Christ and the Apostles departed the scene.
---Eloy on 12/18/05


Knox, Calvin & luther, all threatened by the Roman Church were the protetant founders, but my argument is that there was a GENERAL apostasy after the apostles. One must remember the reformation leader were just as autocratic and repressive as the Roman Church, burning witch's, fighting among themselves and killing 'heretics.' Dogma is a demagogues best friend.
---len_k on 12/18/05


history 101. It was the early Roman Church that codified the canon, first at Nicea, where they 'coined' the Nicea creed, the 'trinity' and the nature of the unicerval church. ONLY 300 of the 1800 Bishops in the empire were represented. Who then were the 'true' Christians, the gnostics? the new 'coptic' church? The followers of Areis? My only claim is that their was a general apostasy, as Paul spoke of. protestntism (protesters) was not coined until the 'edict of worms' in 1530.
---len_k on 12/18/05


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Moderator - Yes, because false teachers and false prophets were getting into the church. ---Len_K on 12/17/05...You can still make that same claimed today!!!
---ruben on 12/18/05


len, the Roman church was not "the christian church". Rome can codify anything, but the christians rejected it. The Christians were driven underground into caves with their inspired scriptures. The persecuted Christians in England escaped Rome's tyrrany and fled to Switzerland. Our ancestors went to holland and later came to America for opportunity to worship God freely without Rome's dictates. The catholics followed with their religion, but we true Christians will have none of it.
---Eloy on 12/18/05


Ruben.MT 23. Who after reading this passage in context will defend Tradition with it? What were the Scribes and Pharisees doing that is so strongly condemned? They read from the books of Moses (in his seat) when teaching in the synagogue, but then proceeded to levy their own burdensome unbiblical laws and doctrines (Traditions) on the people, corrupting them and leading them astray, such that the Gospel message was lost or incomprehensible.
---Ramon on 12/17/05


Ruben. You fail to prove anything. You twist scripture passages around. Matthew 23. Lets see more. The Pharisee read from the scriptures, but did not observe and carry out what the scriptures said, and Jesus tells the people not to follow their example.
---Ramon on 12/17/05


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Ruben. Also Matthew 23 does not support anything as i said before. To add to my comment.The scribe or Pharisee would exhort the people to be keepers of the law of Moses, obviously. Jesus here is saying that what ever scripture(Moses' seat)they read from and bid the people to observe,that the people should observe. That supports the principle of Sola Scriptura, not unbiblical Tradition.
---Ramon on 12/17/05


Ruben. 2nd Timothy 2:1-2.There is simply nothing in these passages to support the idea of a separate oral tradition different from what Paul was writing to the Church. He told them to Teach according to what he said. What things?It is quite clear. THE WORD OF GOD. He taught them about Jesus and the Scripture. PLEASE RUBEN,READ CAREFULLY THE BIBLE. IT WAS ORAL TEACHINGS OF THE WORD. NOT ORAL TRADTIONS.
---Ramon on 12/17/05


Jude, written about 80AD references apostates in the church. Bishop Clement, writing about 115AD wrote that the Church, 'led by a few' had been taken into apostasy, and that the few 'remaining' true Cristians must 'hold to the truth.' Ireanieas wrote that the last of the 'Bishops of the circimsision' were killed off when Rome burned Jerusalem a second time in 120AD The Roman Catholics claim an apostolic history, but their history undues their claim, in my opinion.
---len_K on 12/17/05


Once Constantine made the Church religion, the persecution switched, by 350AD the Roman Christians were persecuting, burning what the Roman Church called 'heretics' that is those who disagreed with the official Roman church dogma, it never stopped until 1800. Gibbon blames Christianity for the fall of Rome, this may be true, the 'dark ages' commenced with the Roman Church being the civil authority. The Roman Church is what created, codified the NT canon.
---len_k on 12/17/05


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The follower of this or that sect, who had authority to administer in holy ordainances as the apostles was a constant issue in the church. Greek Philosophy, fom Alexandria had a great impact on the doctrines of the early Church. What I am arguing is that there was a 'falling away' and total apostasy in the early church.

Moderator - Exactly
---len_k on 12/17/05


In the septuagint most of those books were included. The fact is between the time of Paul and Constantine the 'Christian Church' was deeply divided, Marcionites, Gnostics, and so many other sects. Letters of Paul, 'supposed letters of Paul, and what was scripture was in dispute. The NAG HAMMADI documents dating from about 225AD show these divisions.

Moderator - Yes, because false teachers and false prophets were getting into the church.
---Len_K on 12/17/05


len, you say early christians had no Bible, and they constantly argued. But eye witnesses documented Jesus' ministry as he ministered, not in hardbound Bible, but in the form of unbound manuscripts. So the first Christians did have inspired (ie: God breathed or God spoken)written scripture. And as far as arguing doctrine, new issues frequently arose from people that needed addressed, so consulting the Scriptures and deliberation and prayer are the common means to find the resolve to the current issues.
---Eloy on 12/17/05


len_k. We cant not say Martin Luther was the one who claim "bible only". The reason why is because there many Scripture Passages That defend the sound doctrine of Sola-Scriptura. Yes he was the one who yell bible alone but the NT tells us that Jesus, The Apostles taught that the Bible was the SUMPRIME authority because it Gods Word Not Men, it was what we need for living a christian life. NOTICE THIS WAY BEFORE LUTHER! CATHOLICS SHOULD FACE THE FACT, ITS IN THE BIBLE.
---Ramon on 12/17/05


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(Actual books)25;7--Num21;14--Josh10;13& 2Sam 1;18--1Sam10;25--1Kings 11;41--1Chr29;29--2Chr9;29 & 12;15 & 13;20 & 34& 33;19 (VAGUE quotes from the Bible itself) COL4;16--EPH 3;3--1ST COR5;9--MATT2;23(REFERING TO WHAT OT PROPHESY?)Jude 1;3 & 1;14 I do not say what the books are, the verses do.

Moderator - I don't read anywhere in these scriptures that these books should be part of the Bible. They are just referrences to books.
---len_k on 12/16/05


The Bible quotes a dozen other books as scripture. it says in Revelations not to add or take away, but it says the same thing in Deut 10.-yet we have scripture afterward. The early church, until AD325 was a miasma of beliefs, constantly fighting among themselves, and there was no 'Bible.' Some Christians rejected the whole OT (Marcionites)

Moderator - List the dozen books called scripture? Revelation is talking specifically to the book of Revelation not the Bible as a whole. Deuteronomy is refering to the Pentateuch.
---Len_K on 12/16/05


Sola scriptora was invented, coined by Luther, yet he later rejected it, as he rejected several books of the Bible. No protestant church can claim apostolic authority. And I am not RCC!
---len_k on 12/16/05


Ruben. You wasted your time typing Matthew 23. Its not support tradition! jesus told them to obey what they SAY because they Have authoritly. just as somebody obeys a King. SO YOU FAIL TO PROVE ANYTHING. JESUS DID NOT SAY OBEY THERE TRADITIONS. READ THE BIBLE MORE CLEARLY PLEASE.
---Ramon on 12/16/05


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RUBEN. You take every scripture passage out of contex. You have not prove anything. Is your false fathers words agaisnt Gods. Face the fact. You follow men not God, and yet you hold a bible in your hand and claim to be Gods Word. Sola-Scripture is true, is Gods Word. Your Unholy Traditions Is not. PAUL taught the word of God according to the Scriptures by mouth sometimes. HE DID NOT TEACH UNWRITTEN TRUTH. I laugh at your lack of understanding.
---Ramon on 12/16/05


If tradition doesn't line up with truth and justice and the Word of God then I wouldn't go by it. Other than that there are good traditions that do no harm and actually are good for us.These are good to follow. So,you people all have some good points.Traditions that have to be followed can become idols again. Unless it builds the Body Of Christ don't put too much emphasis on it.
---john on 12/16/05


ruben, the passages you quote in Corinthians and Thessalonians is a mistranslation. The Greek word is "paradoseis" which literally means, "same teaching", and not "tradition." Jesus spoke sharply against tradition. Please read Mark 7:9,13. And he does tell us to keep his commandments only. Please read Luke 10:25-28; 11:28; John 8:47; 14:23,24.
---Eloy on 12/16/05


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