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Poor People Make Good Christians

It seems that poor people make good Christians. I am talking about people with little or no possessions and money. What do you think?

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That verse has nothing to do with salvation, as Paul was not talking about salvation...
---kathr4453 on 5/20/14

I must disagree. Look at the context:

1 Cor. 1:18 "For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God".

1 Cor. 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe"

1 Cor. 1:23 "but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/21/14


2 Corinthians 12:9-11
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Here is more insight into what Paul is saying having a personal knowledge of how God works through His saints. We also see in Phil 3, Paul's personal testimony of dying to his old Noble life in the flesh. God uses absolutely NOTHING of who or what we were before we came to Christ. Our old man is crucified with Christ.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/14


Romans 1:1-3

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,


So we see by these verses, Paul is not saying he was called to be Born Again. He is saying he is called to be an Apostle. In Ephesians 4, an apostle is one of the ministries within the body. Others are called to be pastors etc.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/14


Mark_Eaton, firstly when you say God specifically calls some and not others is Calvinism. Yet with Calvinism isn't God responsible for every mans wealth or poverty.....unless of course you are NOT a Calvinist! THEN GOD CALLS ALL SINNERS TO REPENT REGARDLESS OF HIS FLESHLY STANDING. It doesn't matter whether one is rich or poor, BECAUSE our old man rich or poor must die with Christ....and be raised a new creature. In the BODY we're all RICH in Christ, and members of one another.

That verse has nothing to do with salvation, as Paul was not talking about salvation in the first place here. One's CALLING is his ministry within the Body. And the verse never says rich. You just assume all those qualities God means rich.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/14


29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Here is the remainder of those verses. Just as James too says God has made the poor rich in faith. A rich man may say, I built this church with my own money....a poor man may say, this church was built by faith in God's promise to me that HE would find a way. He glories in The Lord. The other glories in himself. The rich mans works are wood hay and stubble, YET SAVED, AND THE POOR MAN's works are SOLID GOLD.
---kathr453 on 5/20/14




And as far as God not calling the rich, or many rich, would make God a respector of persons...
---kathr4453 on 5/20/14

And yet in your previous post you quoted:

1 Cor. 1:26 "For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called"

Is this scripture false? Does God lie?

What exactly does mighty and noble mean today? When we say "being of noble birth" it means title (like an Earl), power (as in Lord), prestige (as in making decisions) and wealth.

In countries without a monarchy, what does noble look like? Let me throw out some names: Buffet, Gates, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Kennedy, Bush, Roosevelt.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/20/14


I have been studying rich man poor men. If a very poor man wins the lottery and becomes wealthy, all of a sudden his opinion matters to most people. The rich look up to him. He is ask to give speeches maybe at school or some other place. What is so ironic is he is the very same man that was poor. He has the same brain and same education and the same thought process but suddenly he gets attention because he is now rich.
---shira4368 on 5/20/14


Mark_Eaton, are you talking about the rich being wise or wiser than the poor? And as far as God not calling the rich, or many rich, would make God a respect or of persons, which James touches on this very thing..rich vs poor. If we are not to be, neither is God. Abraham was RICH. Solomon was very rich.

The Gospel itself CALLS man unto God....both rich and poor alike. What we see is both rich and poor rejecting the gospel. He even calls the middle class.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/14


1 Corinthians 1:25-27

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty,

Nothing here about the RICH. So one would have to assume the mighty are also rich. Yet even a rich man can be a weak man. Also notice it says THINGS. Are we considered THINGS to God?
---kathr453 on 5/20/14


My comments about rich people were NOT related to them being good or bad Christians. I do not judge or compare myself to anyone, including other Christians. I think we as Believers should not comment on another Believers walk of faith, either good or bad.

I was saying that I do not believe God calls many rich people unto himself. I agree with the Apostle Paul that God's wisdom is opposite of man's wisdom. His wisdom confounds the wise of this world. What the world sees as great value, God sees as filthy rags.

Accordingly, few of the rich, the famous, the powerful, and the intellectual are called unto salvation. These ones have their own reward for them here on earth. They have no desire for God.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/20/14




Maybe the story of the Rich Young RULER had as much to do with someone being a "ruler". Jesus didn't just pick out a rich young man.

Maybe it's harder to give up one's position IN THIS WORLD, than possession. Just look at those in Hollywood who get saved. Jane Fonda comes to mind here. I'm not saying she's not saved, as that's not my place, but all that time away from HW etc she never really emerged TODAY as someone who truly sold out for Jesus Christ. Maybe Jesus meant for him to sell his TITLE, fame, etc, and not his possessions, trinkets. Remember in Acts, those who sold their possessions did so out of their own choice, because the church was being persecuted. It wasn't mandatory then or now.

Just a thought.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/14


Matthew 5:4 Blessed are the poor in spirit , for their is the kingdom of heaven,

Matthew 19:24 - And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go though the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God :

Matthew 19:25 - When his disciples heard it they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved ?

Matthew 19:26 - But Jesus beheld them , and said unto them, With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible,

( It not about Money ! )
---RichardC on 5/16/14


Rich people make good Christains just as good as poor people make good Christians. Your look at people according to the earthly value. Cause if your looking down at rich people that is not of God and if your looking down a poor people that is not of God either. If you are maybe your not of God as you say you are?
---Bryan on 5/15/14


I believe God calls everyone rich or poor. But we see more reason why the rich don't answer that call in Jesus conversation with the rich young ruler. God is not a respcter of persons. And if God only called the poor, the verses in James would be out of place where James is telling the rich not to look down on the poor. If the church only consisted of the poor with only a few rich called, James would be telling the poor not to envy the rich or to criticize the rich for being rich.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/14


Has anyone but I noticed that the megachurches where the Gospel of Holy Prosperity is taught are NEVER in the inner city, but almost invariably in the rich suburbs?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/14


"Second, I believe the wealthy do not NEED God. Their wealth takes care of their needs." Mark Eaton, their wealth takes care of their physical needs only. They still need God for their spiritual needs, it is just that they don't know that because, many of them, will never have even thought about that.

We need to pray for all people. regardless of their status in life, our prayers should be that they will be saved above all else.
---Rita_H on 5/15/14


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Some poor people are more open to the Gospel than wealthy people are because the poor see a need of God and those with a lot of wealth think they've acquired it for themselves...
---Rita_H on 5/15/14

I see the reasons for wealthy people not following Jesus as twofold.

First, I believe that God does not call many wealthy. Scripture uses different words (wise, mighty, noble) but in todays world, noble could mean to be born into wealth.

Second, I believe the wealthy do not NEED God. Their wealth takes care of their needs.

1 Cor. 1:26 "For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/15/14


Many Christians are close to being poor (if we are referring to money and valuable possession) and the reason some are is because they are generous and follow God's instructions to help others.

Some poor people are more open to the Gospel than wealthy people are because the poor see a need of God and those with a lot of wealth think they've acquired it for themselves and wish to keep it and not necessarily use their wealth for God's work.

However, most churches are a mix of wealthy, poor and those inbetween.

God can give or take away anything He wants. Being a hoarder is certainly not what He wants of us.
---Rita_H on 5/15/14


Mat 5:3,11-12 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven...Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
poor in whatever capacity on Earth does not necessarily mean poor in Heaven nor Heavenless for that matter.
---micha9344 on 5/15/14


What do you think?

Poor in finances doesn't necessarily mean poor in spirit. God shows his strength in this combination.

Poor in spirit is another matter.
---aka on 5/15/14


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Hello,"a little is alot in the hands of God"

WHY? Many yrs.ago,had money,but we did't SAVE ,we bought a home(took out a loans) fancyclothes,cars,traveled but did not realize,times would get hard.

We squandered alot but we also,helped a good many people who couldn't make their rent.Now he is gone.I am a widow but,I.do not waste we lived in the moment..
Not knowing,it SOON all
be the worst nightmare.
I.am.much more happier.Life a lot simpler.
God wants us to.be happy what ever situation,I had to learn alot on my
own.God is good.
---Elena9555 on 5/15/14


since I was raised poor, that is the only kind that went to our church. over the years I have accumulated a little nest egg and I enjoy giving to people who really really need it. I met a black lady working in krystal trying to make a living. she was in such distress because her lights were fixing to get turned off that day. I ask her what was wrong and she said bad day, just bad day. I ask her to tell me about it and she did. we got her light bill paid that day and I have a friend. she was trying to work but work wasn't enough. her husband had left her with 2 children. I told her how to get some food and her next light bill pd. I know God is taking care of her.
---shira4368 on 5/3/13


Being Poor is Hell! They Are overwhelmed and drowned with troubles and mostly discouraged and sick with worries..Many attempt suicide and curse their own life and try to stop living.They mostly have lots of debts too..Its a Hell...I would rather be a wealty christian, pay my thites and be a blessing to others..I do not need to worry about money everytime..I can thank and worship the Lord with peace of mind..
---Walter on 5/3/13


Silas the rich fella gave everything he had till he was left with nothing. Jesus advised Him to and took him long to do. Rich can be easily won over to Christ by the right person also. The poor had nothing else to loose anyhow that is why tis easier to win them.
---star on 5/3/10


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I rather have only a little knowing it came from God. Than to have a lot knowing it came from another source. From other people, or perhaps even from Satan.
---catherine on 4/2/10


There are plenty of Christians around the world who had money and converted despite the risk in their particular country where Christianity is legally and or culturally oppressed who stood to lose it after conversion with exactly that happening to some of them.

This looks like to be one of those statements that aren't well thought out and the type of statement you would expect from a relatively inexperienced and somewhat ignorant person with an under developed view of the world.
---Richy_Rich on 4/1/10


mima:

That makes sense. It's much easier to convince someone who has nothing that you have something he needs, than it is to convince someone who has everything of the same thing.
---StrongAxe on 12/27/09


Mima ... "soulwinning among the poor percentage wise is much easier than among the rich."

The cynic may say that the poor, knowing they will not get wealth in this life, need to believe in the next life where they will be rewarded.

The rich don't need to look forward to the next life for comfort.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/09


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But with absolute certainty I can report that soulwinning among the poor percentage wise is much easier than among the rich
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so sad the self-righteous antichrist soul-winning activity when self-appointed "good" christians keeping stats on poor and rich for religious christianity scorecard

mind focused on how many "won" if rich or poor jackpot if more "goodness" can be done for "poor ones" - focus simply on SELF - sadly deceived in religions game

soul-winning tactic then becomes WORK to SELF making one "good" in own eyes

"good christians" are not SELF-MADE by their works or by another man ...ONLY God can change a persons heart - whether rich or poor
---Rhonda on 12/27/09


Whether or not poor people make good Christians I cannot say. But with absolute certainty I can report that soulwinning among the poor percentage wise is much easier than among the rich.

Among soulwinners themselves, they are generally pretty evenly divided as to wealth. And many soulwinners who have money often help the soulwinner who does not have money with travel and expenses and things pertaining to soulwinning.
---mima on 12/27/09


Being rich/wealthy is where its at. Being poor does not make you a better Christian. I don't think. Its hell being poor. But the bible tells us the poor will be with us always. It is no sin to be poor either. Being wealthy/rich can make for a better life,materially, not necessarily,spiritually. It is a good and secure feeling knowing you have a nice warm bed to sleep in,can pay one's bills etc.. can eat a hot meal among other things,
With money you can reach out and help others and still maintain your life, without stress and strain. Be a blessing and not a burden to someone. But being poor can keep us humble and dependent on God. Another sticky question. But I would rather be wealthy/rich.
---Robyn on 12/27/09


While poorer people are less likely to get caught up with material excesses and indulgences of the flesh as rich people are (because they can't afford them), they are also more likely to be overwhelmed by problems of the world that they can't buy themselves out of. Every economic stratum has its deterrents from being an effective Christian - the poor still have them, they're just different problems than the rich have.
---StrongAxe on 12/25/09


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wealth or no wealth is a wordly concept

nothing in Gods Word stating "christians" are better than others or some "christians" are better than other "christians"

True Christians OBEY - if one reads the NT and OT it is the THEME throughout both testaments

each individual must work out their own salvation whether rich or poor

to focus on your "poorness" or someone else's "richness" demonstrates a lack of spiritual discernment

focus is always on The Father in Heaven through Christ Jesus ...too many denominations teach lies about money these false ministers TAKE FOCUS off of Christ and put focus on one another and their MONEY or lack of money
---Rhonda on 12/24/09


I shall tell you what I think, it's the pits! God has got me going through some lean years. He first warned me of this.
---catherine on 12/23/09


you said "Poverty is not a blessing, that's a given."

Mar 12:42-44 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance, but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
---tomana on 12/21/09


If you could correlate poverty with piety then every poor country, where Christ has been preached, would florish spiritually.

However, just because people are poor doesn't mean their more selfless or ready to sacrifice for Christ- the little life we precieve them to have.
In contrast, history demonstrates that the order and stability which Christianity nutures leads to national prosperity- and this state lasts about a generation before worldliness and rebellion increase.
Eventually, the very fabric of faith is dismantled on account of a new god "business."

When I fed them, they were satisfied,
when they were satisfied, they became proud, then they forgot me. Hosea 13:6

---Joe on 11/11/08


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Poverty is not a blessing, that's a given.

Poverty does make one a good Christian.
Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Rich, or poor, somewhere in the middle, those who Obey God out of their love for Him, make good Christians.
---Donna on 7/1/08


God puts people he choses to be in power with money. Look at Joesph in the Bible shunned by his own brothers and then God put him in high places in Egypt to be Rich and powerful.
So it is to seek the will of God not to seek to be rich.
Matthew 5-3"(D)Blessed are the poor in spirit, for (E)theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
He never said " Blessed are the rich"
God always gives us what we need. We should be content and ever thankful in all situations...good times and bad...poor or rich.
---Paul on 7/1/08


No one enjoys being poor. Can not be a blessing to people if you are poor. Being poor does not make you holy. Being rich does not make you holy. I believe that it honors God more for His people to be able to come up with a dollar or two when needed. God can make a little money go a long way. Take care of what He gives you. Obey Him in what He gives you. And be happy, and thankful. Thank you Jesus for all of you gifts and blessings.
---catherine on 6/30/08


Poor people can be a good christians,but I think there is no such category in the Bible or Jesus saying that the rich are bound for hell or that there is no salvation for the rich people.We should not mis concept the Bible teaching.Rich people usually depands upon the money power and fail to reach God,but there are very rich people who are also rich in Jesus today in this world,salvation is free for all who come in the name of Jesus.Christianity is not for the poor or a poor mans religion..Jesus is true....
---Nishung_chanu on 6/29/08


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Not having money is hell. You cannot pay your bills and sometimes, are reduced to begging and borrowing. That's hell. I would rather be a wealthy Christian. Able to help myself and be a blessing to others. We can bless others and be poor but it takes money most of the time to help others.Even on a small scale.
---Robyn on 11/5/07


yes you are right i agree.lord said "it is very eazy for poor man to enter into the small needle hole... but its difficult for rich man" Poor can say and surrender to god all. but rich man holds he thinks 1000 time before he say that i surrender all......becaz he might not seen god closely as he suuposed to .poor man can understad and konw the jesus closely .So that make him a good Christian.
---naveen_kumar on 11/5/07


Rich People make good Christians too...
Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.

These humbled men helped finance the early Church.

Abraham, Joseph, Jacob etc. were all very rich men serving the Lord.
---TS on 3/26/07


Junia, that sounds horrible for you. Let me tell you, though, that it is the same in most big cities. Poverty, crime, sickness. Not just in Africa. But, like in all things, there are good and bad. Some people who have very little in the way of material things, but live moral lives, then there are poor people who are hateful and have no values whatsoever. Good and bad. Everything has it's good and it's bad.
---sue on 3/26/07


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If you cross-reference the words poor and heart in the Bible, you will find it is not possessions or money that makes good Christians. Your confidence in what you believe comes from knowing God's Word - what He says.
---jacka9565 on 3/26/07


Money, prestiege and worldly popularity are very over-rated anyway, whether you believe in God or not.
However they are very powerful seducers.

To be able to come home to a loving family.
Loyal friends. Not to be obsessed and worried all the time about buying things you don't really need except to impress the Jones. Whether you believe in God or not life is actually a lot more enjoyable like this.
As it is, God really does exist.
---Ed on 3/26/07


God saids, "That the rich and the powerful won't accept me, so I choose the weak and the foolish to put those people to shame." Although God does save the rich sometimes He expects them to use their money for His glory. Even though God does love the poor and can and does save them because He knows we have nothing else but Him. If you and I stay faithful, He will reward us in this life.
---catherine on 3/25/07


I live in Africa where most people want to hold out their hands and beg, for it is too much effort to do something for themselves, if that doesn't work they murder, steal, rape, hi-jack, see how many people can be infected by Hiv. And they blame it all on poverty. Does that seem Christian-like to you? I have to live in fear on a daily basis and can only Trust God.
---Junia on 3/25/07


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If anyone wants to go someone nice for their holidays i suggest Umbria in Italy. It is a beautiful area, quiet and lots to do, and places to vist. Above all, Assisi, where Francis (of Assisi came from). He was a rich young man, well educated, charming and popular. He gave up all to follow Christ in apostolic poverty.
---Ed on 3/25/07


I dont think so. I ve seen poverty in its waste form, and normally it leads people away from God as they see no purpose of life. poverty is a curse and I dont know anything positive that ever comes out of it.
---pkay on 3/25/07


Because when you don't have anything else, at least you got Jesus.
---sue on 7/24/06


1st Cliff--I've seen exactly what you describe. Most Christians assume their gifts are appreciated and may give unwisely. If the love of money is the root of all evil, both rich and poor display it in this materialistic society. The poor sometimes feel "cheated", resentful of any who seem more prosperous. Some commit crimes or fraud, feeling "entitled" to more. The rich may be complacently "self sufficient" rather than "grasping". Hard to generalize here.
---Donna2277 on 7/24/06


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poor christians? they are the most caring, giving, forgiving and loving people thats why Christ went to them first..they are the most richest in the heart. match that with the rich? no way...they measure their faith by how fat their pocket is..sorry guys..my opinion...
---jana on 7/24/06


It is not how much money we have, but the aditude we have about it. Do we love it? Is it the most important part of our lives? Do we love God above all and others as ourselves, not just in word, but in deed?
---Ulrika on 12/7/05


Hey, we don't have a lower standard of living, we just don't have a lot of money. The wealthy Christians I work for don't show Christian behavior. You can't serve two masters. Mississippi is the poorest state in the nation, yet we were voted number 1 in the nation for giving charitably. We are truly blessed people down here. Y'all come! It does seem that those with less money are good Christians. Money fogs peoples' hearts.
---Nellah on 12/7/05


Mod you say "That is because more Christians as a percentage of the USA population live in the South which has a lower standard of living" Why do you think that is? Is it because the more affluent people are, the less they feel they need God in their lives?

Moderator - There are fewer large cities in the deep South and the West. The smaller cities tend to still have the traditional Christian values. The large cities in the USA on the East and West coasts tend to be less friendly and less receiptive to Christian values. People tend to be more family centered in the South and West versus the big cities.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/7/05


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Moderator, good answer, but, that study was done per Christian, not per person. I will get the link if you would like to see it.

Moderator - Please post the link and I will be able to view it. Thanks.
---mike on 12/7/05


It is a fact that the states with the lowest per capita income are the biggest givers to the church and missionaries. Someone please explain that.

Moderator - That is because more Christians as a percentage of the USA population live in the South which has a lower standard of living.
---mike on 12/7/05


I think materially poorer people are often initially more receptive to Christ because they not as accustomed to feeling self-sufficient as materially wealthy people. But once a person comes to Christ, it's the same Holy Spirit that works in each heart and I believe that the financial situation is of little consequence in determining spiritual maturity. Wealthy people have a greater opportunity to be financially generous but I've seen both rich and poor desire a greater intimacy with their Lord.
---DoryLory on 12/7/05


What makes a good christian? I am not rich or poor, materially,what does that make me? I have very rich very poor christian friends. Our fruits reveal our christianity, irrespective of our situations. Only God knows our hearts. Poor or rich ,Christ needs to be seen in us, He is our richness, He is whom we share, by giving. We are all wealthy in Him if we live in Him, because we are His.
---karin on 12/7/05


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You are correct; after many years of soul winning I am certain that poor people and also blacks are the most responsive. I once went 7 people without see any accept the LORD. So I quickly begin to search out the poor and the next 16 of 19 people I witnessed to say yes and accepted the LORD
---mima12/6/2005
---mima on 12/6/05


Rich or poor is just a label.The fortunate give "thanks" to God for "meeting" their needs and abundance. The less fortunate give "thanks" to God for "meeting" their needs and have "faith" that He will bless them with more abundance.
---Fred_S. on 12/6/05


El;sie in my reply to you I said I did not have wealth. I meant that I was not wealthy by standards in a developed country.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/6/05


Elsie ... I do not have wealth to give away ... and I do not give away all that much.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/6/05


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Well, i have read about poor Christians who walk 10 miles to hear a sermon, who paddle a row boat 20 miles to get part of a Bible. How many "well-off" people have this kind of "fire" for Christ? I don't intend to insult anyone's walk with the Lord, but just ask yourself, "What will I suffer to serve Christ?" I do admire these people who will go through so much, just to serve the Lord and it is my prayer, that I can develop the same desire.
---mike on 12/6/05


Thanks for that explanation Alan.
---emg on 12/6/05


Dear Alan of UK, All that we have belongs to God, thus our possessions and our money are His; therefore we must act accordiingly. It is obvious that you have no trouble giving your wealth away. Bless you!
---Elsie on 12/5/05


Mike, Rich or poor is a social issue, financial standing does not necessarily influence one toward Christianity, except I have seen "poor" or finacially disadvanteged fein interest in a generous Christian church, for the "handouts" When the "giving" things, so does the interest!
---1st_cliff on 12/5/05


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emg ... But not too much should be read into these figures. I would say I was middle income, and about half my giving is to the church, and that goes partly towards the church and pastot salary and partly to missions and charities selected by the church. The other half of my giving goes direct ... to various missions and charities that I have chosen. I think this taking one's own decision occurs more in the better-off areas.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/5/05


emg ... They are Church of England ... and we pay a levy to the diocese. It is based on number in the congregation and their income level (which we disclose anonymously)
So the average is known. In fact, looking at the types of jobs held by the folk in each church, I would say the income differential is greater still.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/5/05


I agree with most of what you say Alan but I'm just slightly puzzled regarding your comments about the average incomes of the people in the churches. Do these people have to state their incomes when they become members? I know nothing about the income of people in my church and I don't want to. I doubt that they know anything like that about me either.
---emg on 12/5/05


Elsie ... but how you use those things does have to do with how you behave as Christian.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/5/05


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# 3 I have involvement with two churches ... one in a wealthy area, and one in a neighbouring poorer area. Income per head in the wealthy area is about 2 & a half times that in the poor church. But average giving is only about 1 & a half times. But still it is no proof ... I cannot tell what each group of Christians give direct to other causes ... that too can be the Lord's work.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/5/05


# 2 In collecting round the houses for charity, I find that the poorest house are most likely to give.
The proportionate number of poor and medium wealth homes who give is about the same, but fewer rich houses give.
Their comments show that this is not because they already give by covenant. I know this is not specifically Christian, but it does reflect the degree of love these different folk have for their neighbour.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/5/05


# 1 I'm not sure that the quiz helps us to answer the question although without doubt it shows us how we should regard our relationship with God, and the way in which we should use whatever financial wealth He alllows us to have.
It is dangerous to judge others ... particularly in this matter, because a certain degree of envy is almost inevitable. But I'll give a couple of examples which tend to support what Mike suggests.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/5/05


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