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Open Minded Liberal Christian

Is there anything wrong with being a liberal, open minded, Christian?

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My grandmother told me that I should never be so open minded that my brains fell out.

But the blog question depends on your definition. I am liberal in that I am free through Christ. Liberated from sin. I am open-minded, but not to every wind of doctrine.
---lorra8574 on 3/30/07

Interesting question, how open and liberal do you mean?
Here in the UK we have the CofE, so liberal that it can accomodate spiritualists, gays and athesists.
Do you mean that we don't take the Bible teaching literally anymore? If so, why call ourselves Christians.
---mike6553 on 3/30/07

Nellah, so you are saying you would rather that people that did not look and act like you do died than people on a different continent that you could not possible know? I would rather no one die. I think as christians we should love our neighbor. not just the ones next to us but humanity. Be it balck, white, female, male, shiite, muslim. Have faith, hope, and love. The greatest of which is love
---James on 1/29/06

Madison, I think we've had this talk before. I'm for helping the poor anyway I can, and I feel your concern for them. the liberal politicians that say they want to give more programs to help the poor don't give a hoot for them, all they want is more taxes, greed never works in gov. when everybody gets handouts, everyone looses, look at Cuba, and the old Russia. you're talking about a socialist state. well i'll take my freedom anytime, we've given up too much of that as it is.
---wayne on 12/10/05

Randy, Merry Christmas. Isn't it the liberals who feel greed, lies, abortion, gay marriage, etc. are ok? Jesus was a revolutionary but a conservative revolutionary. As for this war, I'd rather them fight over there than here on our soil. 9/11 was enough for me. I do believe there were WMDs in Iraq, they're now in Syria. Ask Bill Clinton, he said it first.
---Nellah on 12/10/05

Mima, Merry Christmas. Liberal because He died for us? He died for us in obedience to His Father.
---Nellah on 12/10/05

Madison, Merry Christmas. When I was homeless I ended up living in a ministry. We HAD to find jobs, no public assistance allowed. That's how it should be. That was over six years ago and I still have my job, a car and a home. People have to learn to be independent and support themselves not depend on the government for everything. Homeless people here are well taken care of.
---Nellah on 12/10/05

If liberals really cared about making the minimum wage a "living wage", they would propose that it be raised to $20.00 per hour rather than the paltry amount they usually propose. The increases they ask for are only meant to make them look caring. No large corporation I know of starts employees out at minimum wage. Even burger places are offering starting salaries well above minimum wage.
---ralph7477 on 12/10/05

Jesus said there would always be poor people. When He spoke about feeding, clothing, and caring for the poor he was appealing to each of us individually as family and neighbors. He did not advocate that the government be the provider of basic necessities.
---ralph7477 on 12/10/05

As a libertarian, my hero was Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine, both deist. Liberal and conservative as terms have changed much in the last decades. Both have the potentual to be a threat to individual faith. Liberals, as a rule see secular goverment as a solution. Conservatives see, goverment, as controlled by 'the religious right' as a solution. I see all goverment as a problem, be it secular or religious.
---len_k on 12/9/05

Is God for the Democrats or Republicans? As for me, I am libertarian, and despise BOTH parties. Both want big goverment, and to control people. Todays Democrats are socialist. The republicans for large corperations, and support the fasist religious reich, who want a theocracy.
---Len_K on 12/9/05

Ulrika: The Liberal Christians that I know, including me, believe in obeying the 10 Commandments. Do not make generalizations about people you do not know.
---Madison on 12/9/05

Liberals politions beleive in abortion because, "it is the woman's right to choose." Liberal Christians seem to think, because they are Christians, the ten commandments don't matter. I know obeying God is important, even though I am cleansed by the blood of Jesus and kept by the power of God. I consider myself both conservative, my political views are based on my Christian faith. I didn't always have these convictions. When younger, I thought if something is legal, it is ok.
---Ulrika on 12/9/05

Wayne, I am liberal in my politics and conservative in my faith. They are not mutually exclusive.

Liberal politicians are the ones who promote feeding the poor and making sure everyone has a living wage by promoting a higher minimum wage. Is it Christian for a politician to vote against raising the minimum wage? Nobody can feed themselves, much less put a roof over their heads on minimum wage. The conservatives are concerned about big businesses' profit margins. How is that Christian?
---Madison on 12/9/05

Mima: "The hard right will lead you wrong every time,---mima12/8/2005" Amen and Amen.
---Madison on 12/9/05

this is to the one that said liberal and consertive are situational? in liberal politics how come they permote the anti-Christian movement. They don't seem to be separate now do they? Or is this something new?
---wayne on 12/9/05

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Isn't it strange? Our socialist government has steadily during their period in power made it easier to get an abortion. They have now allowed 24 drinks licenses. They have banned hunting. And you conservative Americans just love Blair.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/9/05

Madison and Randy; The true does not connext with all people. The hard right will lead you wrong every time,---mima12/8/2005
---mima on 12/9/05

God is love and long-suffering, but he also has hatred and fury, he made not only a heaven, but he also made a very real and literal hell for a purpose, no, he will not overlook sin. God is holy, and his standard of righteousness will not be obscured by love. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to his righteousness and be saved. It's a dangerous thing to accept all things, you can not follow Christ and the world, Christ and idols, nor Christ and belial.
---Eloy on 12/9/05

Nellah: I don't think that Jesus would have supported cutting funds for homeless children, or other homeless people. We have children in this country who lack medical benefits and other necessities because of conservative government cuts.
---Madison on 12/9/05

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Nellah, I don't think Christ believed in unbridled greed, cutting funds to ferret out dead beat parents, starting a war and then changing the reasons on why we went to war, etc. But the conservatives would have you believe that they are the godliest. Who are the righteous? - no one. Given the times Christ was living in he was not just a liberal he was a revolutionary. We tend to kill revolutionaries, Ghandi, Bonnehoffer, MLK, and others of their ilk.
---randy on 12/9/05

I really don't think Jesus believed in gay marriage, abortion, etc. the things liberals believe in. Just because He walked with the sinners doesn't make him liberal. He came to heal the sick not the righteous.
---Nellah on 12/8/05

Webster's New World Dictionary Of American English
liberalism - the quality or state of being liberal; specif., a) a political philosophy advocating personal freedom for the individual, democratic forms of government, gradual reform in political and social institution, etc. b) a movement in Protestantism advocating a broad interpretation of the Bible, freedom from rigid doctrine and authoritarianism, etc.
---Ulrika on 12/8/05

Well, Randy, we British do like to spell properly! There are lots of words where we have the extra letters in, probably because of the French or latin origin of the word.
You Americans obviously wish to save ink, so you spell the word as it sounds!
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/8/05

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You are right Alan, I assumed I was speaking to an American. Thanks for the lesson in international politics. I love the way that you spell labour. But I still believe that liberal vs. conservative is situational. So much of what is considered conservative now was once considered liberal.
---randy on 12/8/05

Liberal has many meanings. Liberal churches usually do not preach salvation involves confession and repentance. They do not stick to the Bible in its entirety. Liberal politics is an entirely different issue from liberal Christianity. Are we discussing liberal politics or liberal Christianity? The two are separate issues.
---Madison on 12/8/05

Randy ... It just shows how careful we need to be, because this this is an international site. Liberal was a political party in the UK. Now the Liberal Democrats. Incidentally, the present UK government is Labour, or Socialist, and in most things would be contrary to the Republican programme. But Tony Blair wanted to achieve glory by a successful war, and so has cosyed up to GeorgeW.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/8/05

Mike, I disagree liberal does not have to be capitalized. It is not a political party here in the US. The great movements of this country have been led by liberals regardless of their party affiliation. Again liberal vs. conservative is a matter of situation. An example is when I lived in Saudi Arabia, a conservative woman would not show ANY skin, a liberal woman will show her face. Here a liberal woman will wear just about anything and a conservative woman will show her face, legs and arms.
---randy on 12/8/05

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Quick point, Randy, Liberal should be capitolised, as it is a political party, not a statement of belief, per se.
Wilberforce, who campaigned against slavery, was a member of the Liberal Party, yes, we would class him as a fundamentalist today. Same with John Newton, Amazing Grace.
---mike6553 on 12/8/05

"liberal, open minded,Christian" Mike, I don't think so.

"Christ was the most liberal person ever." Mima, where in scripture does it say that?

I am not a liberal Christian, because I believe what scripture says.

2Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Romans 6:1 What Shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace my abound? 2 God forbid.
---Ulrika on 12/6/05

MA ... I agree with you that they SHOULD NOT reach the positions of leadership. Sadly though, they do. I was just making the point that the Church of England is not alone in having it happen.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/6/05

, i must ask, what meaning do you put into "open-minded liberal"?
---steve on 12/6/05

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By combining the term open-minded with liberal it implies that those who aren't liberal are close minded. I have found the exact opposite to be true. Modern day, die hard liberals are probably the least tolerant of anyone who doesn't accept their viewpoint. Hopefully this doesn't apply to you Mike.
---ralph7477 on 12/6/05

JESUS CHRIST is the most liberal person ever. WHY? Brcause He died for you and me!!!---mima12/6/2005
---mima on 12/6/05

Mike6553 Please read what I actually said.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/6/05

"The Church of England is not alone among denominations in having these people, and adulterers, thieves and drunks, and all sorts of sinners, reach leadership positions." Alan, unless you can put the word ex or former infront of all these sins they should still be learning from the pews not in positions of leadership, regardless of the denomination.
---M.A. on 12/6/05

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Alan, you know as well as I do that the Cofe condones the sins of these people and in many cases does not preach the gospel.
---mike6553 on 12/6/05

Yeah, We should have churches that don't offend anyone on a basis of their beliefs or lifestyle choices.....NOT!
---mike on 12/6/05

Liberals were also the first against slavery, for the right of women to vote, for workers rights, for environmental protections, for rights of children, for the right of the common man to own property, and the list goes on. Thank God some of these liberals called themselves Christians. What is liberal and what is conservative depends on who is in power.
---randy on 12/6/05

Mike6553 ... there should not be any church anywhere which does not reach out to and minister to gays, spiritualists and atheists. The Church of England is not alone among denominations in having these people, and adulterers, thieves and drunks, and all sorts of sinners, reach leadership positions.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/6/05

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If by liberal and open-minded you mean 'anything goes' then there is plenty wrong with it. Liberals and open-minded people are often pro abortion, pro euthenasia, pro homosexuality and so on. They say we should leave everyone to believe what they want to believe, 'live and let live' they say. Anyone who believes that the bible is true does not accept such things.
---M.P. on 12/6/05

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