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Will There Be Two Raptures

Will there be two raptures, one secret, and one for all of human kind to see.

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I did not know there was so much talk about 2 raptures. I thought I was the only one who believed it until I just searched the internet! Two years ago I kept reading Revelation over and over and over again to understand which rapture was right. Suddenly I realized there were 2 raptures. The woman of Rev 12 is the overcoming Bride/wise virgin that is snatched directly to the throne room. When the woman runs to the wilderness, she represents the unwise virgins left behind and will be perfected and raptured after tribulation. The "other children" are those who neither committed themselves to Christ nor took the mark of the beast and are destined to endure the days of wrath.
---Sue on 7/8/10

The rapture is the living 'caught up' to be with Christ.
'rapture' coming from the Latin 'raptus', Hebrew 'harpazo' translated 'caught up'.
The resurrection is from the dead.
The 1st resurrection of believers(1The 4:16)
Then the rapture(1The 4:17)
This is a detailed version of Rev 14:16
Then the 1000 year reign Rev 20:5
Afterwards will be a 2nd resurrection of unbelievers(2nd death) Rev 20:13
---micha9344 on 6/4/10

Friendly Blogger, I hope you do not mind. There was anther blog started today, and I quoted most of your previous blog.
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10

Rapture Herassy is for Dispensationalist who like to play Biblical Monopoly while holding a Get of of Tribulation Free Card.

It is the type of theology that comes out of Dallas Theological Seminary and Bob Jones University where all the aspiring heretics go to learn their craft.

The Apostle Paul clearly states you will suffer for being a Christian in the final days there is no escape Christ will return at the end to create a new Heaven and a new Earth and that is when you will be changed at the last trumpet so you can enjoy the new environment Christ just created for you.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/4/10

I did not know there was even one rapture. I've read of a first and second coming, but no raptures.

I agree almost totally with Friendly Blogger (FB), but to say that Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventist are Christian groups is not quite accurate. These groups do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, therefore they are not technically of Jesus Christ or Christian.

Dispensationalists do believe in the deity of Christ as do the the SB Convention, Pentecostals, and the Assemblies of God. Some groups will claim that the theory of rapture has roots in early Protestantism, but that cannot be substantiated. As FB said, "it is just heresy."
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10

Rapture is Heresy started back in the early 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren In England and Ireland. He unsuccessfully predicted the second coming of Christ at least three times. He was also the founder of modern Dispensationalism.
His teaching are basically a theological malignity as they have tended to infect the theology of other Christian Groups in the 19 century Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventist, in the 20 century The Southern Baptist Convention The Assemblies of God and the United Pentecostal Church The concept was unknown in the formalize years of Protestantism unknown in the writings of Martin Luther, John Calvin, or John Knox. George Whitfield John and Charles Wesley, know nothing of the theory. It is just Heresy.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/3/10

Truthful I must say I don't agree with there being two raptures. Of course days of Noah, Lot, and plenty other scriptures support that. But what amazes me is that every day we get up to breathe Jesus is giving us another chance to repent! Then expect when he gets off the seat of Mercy and sits in the judgment seat, we still have that chance.How about this just live right according to Jesus and u don't even have to worry about it. If ye love me keep my commandents. Also if there was a second rapture y would you want to be here for that!!!
---Truth1776 on 6/2/10

The Bible only shows 2 ressurections and 1 Last Trumpet or shofar for the Last Day.
A judgement for righteous and for the unrighteous( Daniel 12:2,1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:52 /Matt 24:27-30, 25:31-46/ Rev.11:15-18, 14:14-20,20:1-15).

I do not see a secret Rapture. Is this a false doctrine to sway Christians from preparing for the tribulation? hmmm. The white horse has been riding....
---yochanon on 1/4/08

I think Christian are fooling themselves if they think that they won't themselves be subjected to all the terrors that will come on the rest of the world. When the pretribulation rapture doesn't happen, they will be in for a big disappointment.
---John1944 on 10/30/07

Mary, I agree.

When Christ comes back, he is coming back one time, and then it's over. He will divide his sheep from the goats (Matt 25:32).

Everyone wants to point to Matt 24:1-28. This is a picture of the destruction poured out upon the Jews in 70A.D. Note the eagles in verse 28. The eagles were the Roman soldiers. Christ was warning his believers to flee from Judea, from the destruction the "eagles" (v.16). If this is the rapture what good does it do to flee from Judea?
---trey on 10/29/07

I tend to personally agree with Pierre on this issue, it seems to me it couldn't be spelled any plainer than in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17? It seems to describe a one-time, end-time event since the living won't even get to go before the dead ones--we'll have to wait a second :D
---Mary on 10/26/07

Pierre, that is where many are misguided by men trying to understand the bible. When the Savior returns he will usher in the first resurrection of the just living on the earth and they will be changed instantly. One will be taken from the field, another left. Everyone quotes Thesolonians to prove a rapture, but if you read the whole thing, it talks about the first resurrection, not a secret rapture. If the righteous are taken first, who are the righteous left on the earth for the 1st resurrection.
---ashley on 10/26/07

NO! There will not be a SECRET RAPTURE at all! There will be one lifting up of the saints to meet Jesus in the air at His coming and that would be the rapture seen at Christ's coming! But don't take my word for it. Study it for youself! P.
---Pierre on 10/26/07

Yes. There will be one for the church & another for nonbelievers. The judgements will take place at a different place.

The Jews' judgement will be on earth(Matthew 24:20-22)

The Nations' judgement will be at Palestine(Matthew 25:31-46)

The sinners' judgement will be at the Great white throne. (Revelation 20:11-12)
---Rickey on 4/24/07

I totally believe that there will be two Raptures. The first will include the Bride of CHRIST JESUS (YAHUSHUA) and, I believe many other faithful saints. This first-raptured group is represented by the "five wise virgins". Then, the UNFAITHFUL saints who were left behind, may have another chance to "get their act together" and, along with other new tribulation saints, may be caught up in the second Rapture that will occur DURING the 7-year Trib.
---Gordon on 4/24/07

Thanks, Eloy. I figured it meant something like that.
---Linda on 3/27/06

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I'm no scholar. I think the thing about Noah is interesting and Jesus did refer to it briefly, but I see nothing difinitive there. The pre-trib rapture idea has been popular, I think, for only about a hundred years. (Sorry,I can't remember further back than 100yrs.) ;)
But it always seemes to me that the first part of the tribulation, anyway,isn't due to God's wrath, but to the rise and reign of the antichrist. We won't suffer God's wrath, but why conclude that we'll avoid the great tribulation?
---Donna2277 on 3/27/06

SNAFU= "Situation Normal, All Fouled Up"
---Eloy on 3/27/06

Even you, Elder, believe we still have "two" spirits or natures...the good one and the bad one...and whichever one you feed is the one that will get bigger in your life. At least that was a response you gave on one of the blogs I read recently.

As for the rapture, I use the words "caught up"...and no, I don't believe it the way you present it...never have and never will.. so I guess I'll be treated like a leper and cast out of the city.
---Linda on 3/27/06

The judgment of the whole world took place when Jesus was lifted up from the earth in His death (John 12:31-33). Psalm 69:2 is a picture of Jesus in His death and He says the floods overflow Me. See also Psalm 88:17 and Psalm 18:15

When God got done with that judgment, the wicked had been taken and the righteous had been left (He got up on the third day). The only place that isn't "finished" yet is in our own understanding.
---Linda on 3/27/06

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"God always removes His people out of His wrath and judgement on sinful mankind. I gather that you are saying either there is no catching away of the Saints in what we call the Rapture or that only the wicked will be taken. Is that your view?"

Jesus said, "The coming of the Son of Man would be like the days of Noah." When God was finished, the righteous were left and the wicked had been taken. Look at it yourself.
---Linda on 3/27/06

Linda where did the Ark go?
Sinful mankind was subjected to the results of the flood waters. Noah was not. Noah was raised up above the judgement in the Ark. Water that destroyed sinful mankind lifted Noah in safety.
God always removes His people out of His wrath and judgement on sinful mankind.
I gather that you are saying either there is no catching away of the Saints in what we call the Rapture or that only the wicked will be taken. Is that your view?
---Elder on 3/27/06

I used the word in the only way I have ever heard it a faux pas, a mistake, an error. If it is any different, I don't care to know the difference.
---Linda on 3/27/06

Jesus says in the NT, "Men's hearts would fail them for fear for looking at those things coming on the earth." He didn't say those things were coming upon the men but men who are looking at those things coming on the earth would have hearts failing them for fear.

Obviously, I don't mean the word I used as something ugly or carnal. And apparently the moderators saw nothing wrong with it.
---Linda on 3/27/06

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I agree with the moderator. Every day you awaken with another breath in your body, you have been protected and saved by the life of God within you. Look at the children of Israel while in Egypt. Although they experienced the first three plagues, they had supernatural protection from the rest. Beginning with the fourth plague, God made a difference between them and the people of Egypt and they were protected from those things that Egypt was experiencing.
---Linda on 3/27/06

Thanks Linda, but although I don't always agree with Elder I do on this issue. Noah and family were put in a safe place before the judgement began and kept there until it was once again safe to leave. This was a deliberate act by God to protect them from His wrath (which was to come upon others).Would you please explain what snafu means. Never heard the word. Is it an abbreviation for something else?

Moderator - Why can't God put His hand of protection from His wrath right here on this planet?
---f.f. on 3/27/06

And if there is some kind of rapture before the coming of Christ, then there would be no righteous left because you are saying the wicked are left while the righteous are taken, which is the exact opposite of what happened in the days of Noah.
---Linda on 3/26/06

"The rain represented God's Judgement on sinful mankind."

Exactly. Wasn't Jesus made sin with our sin? And judged in our place as us? Wasn't He made a curse? The answers to these questions explain why the ark was in the rains and the flood and why the coming of the Son of Man is like that...the wicked taken and the righteous left.
---Linda on 3/26/06

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Was not the ark in the rains and the flood? If that ark represents Christ, then He was in the rains and the flood, no? We are the body of Christ, yes? and His family? Noah, the righteous man, and his family were in that ark that was in the rains and the flood.

What is *Sna**?
---Linda on 3/26/06

That is why Father God, through Paul, can say, "We judge thus, that if one died for all, then were all dead." The death of Jesus was not the death of just one man. It was the death of all men. Jesus didn't die so we could live. He died so who we were in Adam could die. He rose so we could live. God, in Christ, removed the wicked and left the righteous...and all of them went through the judgment. Ecc.9:2 One event to all.
---Linda on 3/26/06


"Now is the judgment of this world; now is the prince of this world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me. This He spake signifying the death He would die."

Jesus, the righteous man, was lifted up and all of mankind drawn into Him. That was the judgment of the world. Sounds to me like all were in the judgment, including the righteous man.
---Linda on 3/26/06

Where I did make an error is it was not JOB it was LOT that was taken out before judgement fell.
I get those 3 letter named guys mixed up all the time.
Now is the time to laugh.
---Elder on 3/26/06

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Linda you are so wrong about the rain.
The rain represented God's Judgement on sinful mankind.
Not one single rain drop touched Noah. If it had he would have been part of the Judgement. He wasn't. You will notice Gen 7:10 that he was in the Ark 7 days before the rains began to fall. Everything in the earth was destroyed v21-22.
Noah was taken out and safe in the Ark.
This Ark represented Christ.
Please take the time to find out what "Sna**" means also.
---Elder on 3/26/06

They were right there in it, with the rains falling on them and the floods (caused by oversaturation of the earth) lifting up that ark. If he meant something other than what he said, then snafu on my misunderstanding. Smile anyway.
---Linda on 3/26/06

" The "Rapture" is not Jesus' Second Coming. It is the Saints leaving before the Judgements.
Job, *Noah*, Moses and the children of Israel were taken out *before* Judgement fell."

FF...Elder's specific words were what is posted above. He used several examples of people "taken out" *before* judgment fell. Noah and his family were not taken anywhere *before* judgment fell.
---Linda on 3/26/06

Linda read as ff did and see I am speaking of the Fact that God's people were always gone before His judgement fell.
I made 7 statements none of which indicate that the flood was a Rapture.
If you were a soldier and "took out" an enemy you would have killed him.
If as a Mother you take your children out would it be the same?
Don't strain at a nat.
Noah was taken out as he was not in the earth any longer. To be technical he was above it.
Noah was taken out of judgement.
---Elder on 3/26/06

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Rebecca D., Show me that scripture that you know for a fact you won't be here during that seven years. Those closest to Jesus were looking for him to come in their lifetime and they were wrong, maybe your wanting to leave to soon.
---Thomas on 3/26/06

Linda I'm sure that what Elder meant was that Noah and his family were 'taken out' from amongst the wicked and saved whilst the wicked were destroyed. I believe that the rapture will be secret (in the sense that no one will be expecting it at the moment it happens) He will come 'as a thief in the night'. But the second coming will not be secret because 'every eye will see Him'.
---f.f. on 3/26/06

When will the rapture be? At the end of days.
---Thomas on 3/25/06

Chris being ready for Christ's return is what we all should be working for, there will always be disagreement about the interpretation of scripture, and that's alright, let's be ready to meet Jesus.
---Thomas on 3/25/06

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Not taken out but lifted up above the earth on top of the waters, coming to rest on a high place. Sounds like the work of Christ worked out in a people. The church, like Christ, is called a place of refuge from the storm and a shade from the heat in Isaiah.
---Linda on 3/25/06

As as matter of fact, you find that the wicked were taken and the righteous were all that was left when it was over. By then, everybody believed like Noah did because all that was left was Noah and those who entered the ark with him. That ark floated on top of the same flood of waters that destroyed the wicked, but when it came to rest, it came to rest on a mountain on the same earth the floods came upon. "Ararat" means "the curse is reversed".
---Linda on 3/25/06

"The "Rapture" is not Jesus' Second Coming. It is the Saints leaving before the Judgements.
Job, Noah, Moses and the children of Israel were taken out before Judgement fell."

Where do you find in the story of Noah (which is likened to the coming of the Son of Man) that the righteous were "taken out"? You cannot find that.
---Linda on 3/25/06

The "Rapture" is not Jesus' Second Coming. It is the Saints leaving before the Judgements.
Job, Noah, Moses and the children of Israel were taken out before Judgement fell.
Those who trusted in the applied Blood on their door post were protected and spared when the Death Angel passed over. They were safe inside a prepared place.
The Rapture and the Second Coming are two separate events. Neither of them is secret.
They both have been revealed to mankind in the Scriptures very plainly.
---Elder on 3/25/06

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Thomas, I like the answer you gave about Christ returning when the father tells him to. I myself lean more towards a post trib, but sometimes I wonder if God really wants us to know exactly when. So I try to live my life like he could come anytime and be prepared for whatever he has in store.
---Chris on 3/25/06

I used to think that the rapture and the second coming were different names for the same event. I now believe that the 'rapture' will not be seen by those left behind because we will 'meet Him in the air'. The second coming (later than the rapture) 'every eye will see' and Jesus will be on Earth not in the air.
---emg on 3/25/06

Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Sounds to me like the Scriptures say that Jesus isn't returning until some things take place (Acts 3:21).
---Linda on 3/24/06

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had showed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
---Linda on 3/24/06

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To Rebecca D., I'm not mean, I just talk plain. You believe in pre-trib. that's fine. There is also many that believe in mid-rapture, and many that believe in end rapture. Rebecca I've read Revelation many times, reading it again won't change my view. What I'm saying is to be ready no matter when he returns. Christians would rather believe in pre-trib., because they can't stand the thought of being here during those 7 years. Hope your right!
---Thomas on 3/24/06

Thomas; I know for a fact that I won't be here during those 7 years. Because God said that the dead in Christ shall rise, then the ones that are chosen of God will meet Jesus in the air, after that is when all hell breaks lose, literaly. Read the book of Revelations.
---Rebecca_D on 3/23/06

To Rebecca, Most all christians have been taught of a pretribulation rapture, and most believe it but your going to be surprized. Don't lose your faith if you are here during those seven years.
---Thomas on 3/23/06

Do you know that for a fact Rebecca D. If Jesus waits till after the tribulation to return there will be a lot of disappointed christians. Whether He comes before, during, or after, if I'm still here I'll be waiting and watching. It's just an easy thing to want to believe in pre-trib. I believe he will return when the FATHER says it is time.
---Thomas on 3/22/06

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Thomas; Jesus is coming before the great tribulation, or it would have said otherwise in the bible. We may not know when Jesus is coming back but according to the book of Revelation he is coming back before this tribulation. Many are rejecting Him now, but some will be saved during the great tribulation.
---Rebecca_D on 3/20/06

To Rickey, The early church thought Jesus would return anytime. If Jesus waits and came at the end of the tribulation I wonder how many christians would reject him today.
---Thomas on 3/20/06

The righteous shall inherit the earth; but the name of the wicked will rot. God said He would never again destroy the earth with a flood but He never said He wouldn't restore the earth with one. Out from under the throne of God and of the Lamb flows a mighty river that brings life to everything it touches. He that believeth in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Whole lotta teaching there but I'll just stop with the nugget.
---Linda on 3/20/06

If you looked at the Tabernacle of Moses from a high place, the furniture inside was in the shape of a cross. And the tribes encamped around that tabernacle in the shape of a cross. That is why Balaam, when he saw the camp of Israel, could not curse that nation. Oh, and when the flood was all over, the ark rested on top of Mt. Ararat (the curse is reversed) and the wicked had been "taken" and the righteous had been "left". Jesus says it will be just like that.
---Linda on 3/20/06

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That ark was lifted up by the same waters of judgment that drowned the wicked. Sounds like Jesus lifted up on the cross (John 12:31-33). And He is building a secure, resting place, God's house, in the midst of great wickedness that will lift people above the condemnation of the adversary to a high place. That resting place is the church, the tabernacle of God, the place where God dwells. Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men.
---Linda on 3/20/06

"matthew 24:27 Jesus said and it is written for as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

Jesus also said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the day of the coming of the Son of Man."

What happened in the days of Noah? There was great wickedness on the earth and God had Noah build an ark to put his family in.
---Linda on 3/20/06

To Rickey, Are you sure? Everybody don't believe in pre-tribulation rapture. I can just see the church gone and all the sinners saying let's get saved for they must have been right. We may all be surprised.
---Thomas on 3/20/06

eliza4969 you need to read Rev 6:1-17. You stopped short.
You will notice in v1 that the first Seal Judgement is released on the earth.
V3 the 2nd,
V5 the 3rd,
V7 the 4th,
V9 the 5th,
V12 the 6th.
The time you speak of is during the 6th Seal Judgement.
Notice in v17, the Day of God's wrath has come. This is the Great Tribulation.
Chapter 7 shows us the 144,000 witnesses. Until this point all Christians are gone off this planet.
---Elder on 12/11/05

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The dead saints will be resurrected and the living saints on top of the earth are raptured, and we will reign 1000 years with Christ. This is the first resurrection. After the 1000 years, Satan is loosed from his prison for some years, and then his forces surround the beloved city, but God sends fire down devouring them. Then the dead without Christ are raised and judged. This is the 2nd death. Please read Revelation 20:4-15.
---Eloy on 12/9/05

Elder you need to ask God to open your eyes to understand. because thats what i did and he showed me. through matthew 24, book of joel and revelation 6:12-17
---eliza4969 on 12/9/05

The first coming of Jesus was when he came to earth. Jesus came for one reason to bare the weight of the sin. Read Heb 9:28, the second time he comes, he will not be rejected by men, all who see will bow down, and every tongue shall confess. Malachi warned people in Mal 3:1,2, John saw him in a vision as well as Daniel, Jesus said himself that he was coming back, so no it isn't a secret.
---Rebecca_D on 12/8/05

Matt 24 is about the Tribulation, the people who got Saved during the Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ.
It is not about the Rapture of the Church for at this time the Rapture will have all ready occurred.
---Elder on 12/8/05

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continued: if you read matthew chapter 24 you see that 2 lies that the church is teaching today are exposed to what the truth is. first lie is jesus will come in a secret rapture and second lie is christians will be taken out before the tribulation. but that is not what scripture says.all the earth will see him! he will come after the tribulation! READ IT! SEE IT! HEAR IT! wake up from THE LIE and BELIEVE THE TRUTH! Matthew 24:29-31 READ IT!
---eliza4969 on 12/8/05

continued: matthew 24:31 and he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his elect from the four winds,from one end of heaven to the other.
---eliza4969 on 12/8/05

Jesus said and it is written in matthew24:29-30 immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light:the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heavens will be shaken. then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with great power and great glory.
---eliza4969 on 12/8/05

matthew 24:27 Jesus said and it is written for as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
---eliza4969 on 12/8/05

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I believe in the rapture (being caught up) of the church (body of believers). 1Thessalonians 4:13-18
---Ulrika on 12/7/05

Well just as soon as the rapture takes place
I will look you up --Phi-the-Elder because you will be there too.---mima 12/7/2005
---mima on 12/7/05

There will not be two or even one rapture; Rapture is a false concept coined Charles Darby or by Margaret MacDonald in the 1820-30s. Refering to a Pre-Trubulation event the origional post-tribulation concept was never called rapture.
---Phil_the_Elder on 12/7/05

Fred & Rickey: Can you give me Bible ref. for your answers? Thanks!
---Pierre on 12/7/05

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I tend to disagree Pierre. The first rapture will be the believer's who put themselves last and Jesus first (the pure at heart). The second will be the believer's who put themselves first, and Jesus last (tribulation saints).
A good reference book for scriptural backing is: Be the Bride, third edition by Daniel Rydstedt. It available in it's entirety online. just type in Be the Bride by Daniel Rydstedt
---Fred_S. on 12/7/05

No, the rapture or meeting the Lord in the sky is a one time thing. The church will be caught & appear before the judgement seat of Christ and give an account for every work. During this time we will be in heaven for 7yrs. & the earth will be going through Jacob's Trouble.
---Rickey on 12/7/05

I agree with Pierre there will only be one rapture. However The second coming will be in two parts. First JESUS comes in the clouds to rapture out believers. And second He comes back to the mount of olives. ---mima 12/7/2005
---mima on 12/7/05

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