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Are Adventist A Cult

I am an adventist, and I don't understand why people are so quick to assume that my religion is a cult? We worship God, just like other religions. Could someone explain this to me?

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Jerry,

Instead of badgering Andrea for something she does not have, why not look for the source yourself?

In my 11/01 post, if you look carefully, you will get the source she cited. It is a secondary one as she cited it. Thus she is dependent upon the original poster.

Now pay attention: SHE NEVER SAID SHE HAD IT, so your effort to put false words in her writing is not appreciated.
---John_T on 11/12/07


Andrea: Hello! How did you happen to come by a copy of the Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly, Teacher's Edition?
---jerry6593 on 11/10/07


Arthur White, hier to the White Estate wrote that the writings of Ellen White are superior to the Bible writings for 3 practical reasons. 1) we have the autographs, 2) we have her writings in modern language, & 3) we have a fullness of her writings rather than fragmentary biblical documents.

Adventists need to heed the command in Rev. 18:4 to come out of her and not partake in her sins.
---Lee on 11/8/07


Jerry - if you need elaboration on the canonization of Ellen White & her writings, a good source is Arthur White 'Inspiration & the EGW Writings' Review & Herald Publishing, 1978-1979, pp.3-12.
---Lee on 11/8/07


Andrea: Just curious, How did you happen to come by a copy of the Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly, Teacher's Edition?
---jerry6593 on 11/3/07




truth or fables has her will and debt information. Someone lied to you. It is all a matter of legal records
especially how she said you should not leave your children an inheritance unless they need it but give it to her
then she gave her book rights and properties to her kids and left the estate in debt
---Andrea on 11/2/07


"More research is needed before making wild claims that are false." That's right, but many here on CN are unwilling to do the work, preferring to jump on the first critical bandwagon.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
---Geoff on 11/2/07


Ellen White was NOT in the hole $90,000 when she died. It was only $20,000. She had been using her income to help people. More research is needed before making wild claims that are false.
---djconklin on 11/2/07


I always back track into the official sites of any of the cults I research. It wouldn't be fair or smart to lie. I answer to a much higher authority then this board.

There is so much info on the net that can be researched you are without excuse.

I just read EGW's will she lied to you again. She was in debt $90,000. Thats like 2-3 million in todays money. Yet she said debt was like leprosy and should be avoided at all costs and guess who she left her estate to.
---Andrea on 11/2/07


Andrea: Just curious, How did you happen to come by a copy of the Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly, Teacher's Edition?

I'm a SDA and I don't keep my old SS Quarterlies. Did you perhaps get it from a secondary source - like an anti-SDA blog???? It would be good if you were as honest as John T, and would admit it.
---jerry6593 on 11/2/07




Lee boy, you are still lying to all on this forum..when are you going to stop lying? You call yourself a christian and resort to SDA bashing? Lord have mercy on the hypocrites..
---Pammy on 11/2/07


Andrea & John_T, I only wish you were as diligent at honest responses and faithful study of God's word (not spurious & hostile attacks on truth) as you are about digging up error, & when you can't find any, manufacturing it. How about some honest responses?
---Geoff on 11/1/07


2)During the many indoctrinational classes, Adventests use elaborate materials with beautiful pictures, illustrations, flowery/emotionally laden wording along with extremely well trained teachers conducting the classes. The result of indoctrination is a very well seasoned Seventh Day Adventest. Once one has completed the initial study, he/she is very familiar with scripture(slanted as it may be)and prepared to argue with a true Christian. The indoctrination does not stop there. It is just the beginning.
---jody on 11/1/07


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I found the source, but it is a secondary source. Therefore the authenticity is not 100% Bibletalk DOT com slash adobe slash adventism DOT pdf will give you the document that I am referring to. I still want to see the original, or a copy of it.
---John_T on 11/1/07


God raised up this 3rd group to bring an important message--the 3 angels' messages--to those living in the last days.
---robin8683 on 11/1/07

That '3rd group' was the one that refused to believe they were totally wrong. They then invented the belief that the Daniel 8 prophecy was that Christ entered into the heavenly sanctuary instead of coming back to earth.

In any case, error often begets error and that was clearly the problem with the early Adventists pioneers.
---lee on 11/1/07


Lee, some of the followers of Miller abandoned their faith. Some went back to their former churches. A few, acknowledged that an error had been made and went back to the Bible and back on their knees in Prayer. God raised up this 3rd group to bring an important message--the 3 angels' messages--to those living in the last days.
---robin8683 on 11/1/07


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I am obligated by integrity to warn of possible, future recanting of a post unless I can see proof of a post by another blogger.

.Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly, teacher's Edition, p. 112 ---Andrea on 10/25/07

I asked here and on CARM for proof of this a week ago. None has been forthcoming.
---John_T on 11/1/07


Have you seen in the news how some Christian churches are reaching out to and preacing Scientology?!?
---djconklin on 10/31/07


Robin - *Seventh-day Adventisits did not exist in 1844. I believe you are talking about the Millerites.*

Technically correct but that hardshelled group that refused to acknowledge their stupidity continued on to create the Adventist religion formalized in 1863.

In refusing to acknowledge that they were wrong, they created the face saving theory that Christ entered into the Holy of Holies in the heavens instead of coming again to earth in 1844.
---lee on 10/31/07


Lee, Seventh-day Adventisits did not exist in 1844. I believe you are talking about the Millerites.
Seventh-day Adventists have never set a date for Christ's return.
---robin8683 on 10/31/07


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gina - *but you did make some insulting comments about Oct 22nd, and have made fun of SDA's in your comments*

You have got to admit that the 1844 event made fools out of many and Adventism has yet to apologize for ignoring the plain words of scripture that no man knows the hour or day of His return. mt. 24:36
---lee on 10/29/07


.their persecutors are Christains of other denomination. Such are the claims of Adventism.
-lee 10/20/07
But Lee you persecute SDA's all the time on these boards. I know that you speak of what you believe the Bible says,but you did make some insulting comments about Oct 22nd, and have made fun of SDA's in your comments. Andrea is much worse in fact making insulting comments. So it would be true, not just a claim, unless you do not perceive that making insults to SDA's is persuction.
---Gina7 on 10/27/07


Andrea, once Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice for SINS, the animal sacrifices were no longer needed. This is not distorting the facts, this is stating the facts as they are. When Jesus died, the temple curtain was ripped down the middle, exposing the most holy place, showing that God's presence was no longer there,and Jesus had died the ultimate sacrifice. The fact that Jesus had to die for our SINS, shows how the Father regards the 10 commandments, since breaking any 1 of them is SIN.
---Gina7 on 10/27/07


Thank you Andrea!! You have enlightened me about the seven Day AdventistS. I'm deeply indebted to your knowledge.
---Mima on 10/27/07


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ANDREA

Please PM me here at ChristiaNet as john7768

You have good stuff, I want more data. BTW that is the safe way to do it.
---John_T on 10/26/07


Wow!

Official SDA literature says Ellen is God!


...Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly, teacher's Edition, p. 112 ---Andrea on 10/25/07

And they ssay they are not a cult? Indeed the truth comes out!

Thanks Andrea!
---John_T on 10/26/07


SDA SABBATH SCHOOL QUARTERLY: "THE BIBLE AND THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN WHITE ARE INERRANT..." -- Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly, teacher's Edition, p. 112
---Andrea on 10/25/07


Yes - I call it the special ticket syndrome.

They have a need to feel 'special' as if God has singled them out for attention to their works. I hope they don't break an arm patting themselves on the back
---Andrea on 10/22/07


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Whenever a group considered that they alone are favored of God, that all others are apostate, then what you have is a cult.

Usually such groups have developed an eschatology that proclaims themselves as being the remnant of true believers even to the point that their persecutors are Christains of other denomination. Such are the claims of Adventism.
---lee on 10/20/07


Gina7 - again the cults distort the facts. your own scholars don't claim that. In fact your more ridiculous today then ever before. Was circumcision animal sacrifice? That was done away with. Even Ellen didn't teach that it was just animal sacrifices.
You were told not to judge by foods, days, moons, sabbaths. Keep reading keep praying maybe Jesus will have mercy on you and give you understanding.
The bible says to ask. Have you asked for His knowledge?
Go to exadventist outreach for more truth
---Andrea on 10/15/07


Col 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
---caleb 10/7/07
"For He that said, Do Not Commit Adultery, said also, Do Not Kill...so speak ye and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty" Jam 2:10-12.
Not very done away with are they, if the 10 CC are the basis of the judgment!! (The code done away with is animal sacrifices)
---Gina7 on 10/12/07


caleb - It is interesting that the Adventists has totally failed to find a single NT verse that supports the Sabbath or the Levitical food laws for Christians.

They cannot even find a single verse in the New Testament that states breaking the Sabbath is a sin.

In my humble opinion, the religionists are totally bankrupt in support of beliefs, not found in that faith once for all delivered to the saints Jude 3.
---MaryG on 10/8/07


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But you would not know that, because you remove that commandment and only keep the other 9.
---Gina7 on 10/6/07

Col 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
---caleb on 10/7/07


It has just occurred to me that we are rapidly approaching 22 October the anniversary of what Adventist call the Great Disappointment of 1844.

It is also the anniversary when allegedly Christ left the Father's side in heaven and went into the Holy of Holies to begin judgment on Christians to see who of them would be deemed worthy to be given immortality.

How are the Adventists going to mark this coming event?
---MaryG on 10/7/07


gina wrote -Which God? Baal? The Sun God? Satan? oh that's right, it is the Creator God, spoken of in the 4th commandment* - the one who brought us Jews out of Egypt! Dt. 5:15

Sounds like you are becoming desperate or is God really starting to reach your stony heart?

Hebrews 4:12 2 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
---MaryG on 10/7/07


One shows love to God by how one treats his neighbor.
---lee on 9/30/07
Which God? Baal? The Sun God? Satan? oh that's right, it is the Creator God, spoken of in the 4th commandment. But you would not know that, because you remove that commandment and only keep the other 9.
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


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Jerry -if you truly have problems with adultery, smoking, etc. you should seek counsel of God's ministers ...
-lee 10/5/07
You know perfectly well Jerry was not talking about himself but was making a point about adultery being in the heart not in just the act,and you make insulting comments like this. I guarantee you, the Holy Spirit did not inspire such insults!! And the insult was recorded in the book of your words to meet you in the judgement (that you do not believe will happen)
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


Gina - all your works are filthy rags.If they come as a byproduct of Jesus in you - they are His works. -Andrea 10/01/07
That is why it is Faith and Works combined in the SDA faith that makes it not filthy rags works but HIS WORKS in us by Him writing the law upon our hearts/minds so we obey out of Love, not to be saved. Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel ... I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts.."
---Gina7 on 10/6/07


Jerry - if you truly have problems with adultery, smoking, etc. you should seek counsel of God's ministers as well as consider the Biblical command to "confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. "Jas 5:16
---lee on 10/5/07


Lee you have spoken truth. Andrea you have spoken truth. God is not into legalism.
---Whisper on 10/5/07


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Andrea: You have a hard time staying on point, don't you? You must be a liberal Demoncrat in addition to being a babble-onian.
---jerry6593 on 10/5/07


ZIM - if a group of people get together and decide they are the only ones going to heaven - they are sooo special God has seen fit to give their prophet some special revelation that the rest of the church did not have for 1500 yrs

THEN THEY ARE A CULT!

you can observe any day according to your conscience any food according to your conscience when that group evangelizes by stating they have the truth and others do not ----they deserve to be called a cult bc they are -
sorry
---Andrea on 10/4/07


If Adventist are a Cult then we ALL christains are, because noone has the power to make such a claim except God, and if anyone says that to you again - tell him or her to repent and focus on God not earthly things
---ZIMBABWEAN on 10/4/07


jerry6593:

If you are married and betray your marriage vows by committing adultery, you are NOT being very loving to your wife.
---StrongAxe on 10/4/07


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Andrea,yes I am not fully aware of the discussions. but note that I am not a follower of the church per say but of the Word which my Church teaches. I don`t just eat everything a person may teach, I test it with His Word. and so far I have found that the word of God is exalted in the SDA church and the teachings are biblical. I suggest you, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim 2:15 Have a blessed day.
---TISHA on 10/4/07


The Bible says that "it is not what goes into the man that defiles him. It is what comes out of the man that defiles him". The 4th commandment seems less serious than the one which coincides with what Jesus commanded to Love God with all of your heart,mind and soul. We need to start a TAME THE TONGUE CHURCH. That is an important commandment. You can go to hell if you practice lies. That could be a new faction.:)Based upon "from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks".
---splaa6685 on 10/3/07


jerry - what is it about all SDAs that makes you equate following Jesus christ with sin?

If you ask Jesus to come into your heart and make you a new creation He can remove your adulterous desires.
---Andrea on 10/3/07


any believer of the Jesus in the Bible,Father,Son and Holy Ghost and who believes Jesus died to save us from our sins and rose again,and has accepted Jesus into their hearts,after repenting of sin,is by definition,a true Christian,regardless if there are things in their denomination that may be questionable or tainted or if they have some minor disagreements in doctrin(ie hell temporal or eternal)
---Judy on 10/3/07


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any believer of the Jesus in the Bible,Father,Son and Holy Ghost and who believes Jesus died to save us from our sins and rose again,and has accepted Jesus into their hearts,after repenting of sin,is by definition,a true Christian,regardless if there are things in their denomination that may be questionable or tainted or if they have some minor disagreements in doctrin(ie hell temporal or eternal)
---Judy on 10/3/07


All the commandments are important, they are a package. The fourth however is a sign, an outward mark that is highly visiable to all of the seriousness of God's law which is eternal. This is done by faith, the evidence of things not seen. SDA do not judge based on days or foods, that is God's job.
---dan on 10/3/07


I believe it is because of the pecularility of some of the beliefs. For example: the stand on "unclean" food and veganism, the visible and exalted position of a woman prophet, the belief that the dead are unconscious, the emphasis on keeping the commandments, especially the fourth which sounds like salvation by works, the symbolism of the sanctuary, etc. These are not common beliefs among the majority of other Christian faiths, and thus seem strange or "cult-like".
---Fireweed on 10/3/07


God can free us from our sin only in proportion to our internal conviction of them. Our escape from sinning can be no greater than our seeing our sin for what it is and hating it enough to cease sinning. The depth of this conviction is the depth of our repentance, conversion and freedom from sin. When we are truely converted, we will cease making excuses for our disobedience.
---robin8683 on 10/3/07


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Is Jerry trying to justify himself in regard to adultery? This has been a real problem for those that have tried to live in the power of the flesh by obedience to rules, laws & regulations instead of living by the power of His Spirit.
---LEE on 10/3/07


Andrea: Another rhetorical question for you. If "love" to your neighbor is the only commandment currently in force, is it a sin for your husband to commit adultery if he really "loves" the other woman?
---jerry6593 on 10/2/07


Gina - all your works are filthy rags.
If they come as a byproduct of Jesus in you - they are His works.

He gets all the glory - all the honor - all the worship - all our love - in this there is no fault - love is His commandment
---Andrea on 10/1/07


gina - *Jesus made it clear in Matthew 22 that loving God with all our hearts & minds would allow us to keep the first 4, & loving our neighbor as ourselves would allow us to keep the last 6.*

That is nothing more than an opinion!

Clearly, most certainly, if Sabbath keeping were something mandatory for Christians we would expect to see some emphasis on it in the New Testament, particularly the Epistles but WE DO NOT!

One shows love to God by how one treats his neighbor.
---lee on 9/30/07


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If the Sabbath commandment were the foremost commandment then was Jesus wrong in his answer to the lawyer in Matthew 22? - Lee
Lee, Jesus made it clear in Matthew 22 that loving God with all our hearts & minds would allow us to keep the first 4, and Loving our neighbor as ourselves would allow us to keep the last 6. Love which God, however? Baal? Satan/Lucifer? No, it is the CREATER God, spoken of in the 4th commandment. Therefore, the 4th is important as it point to which God to worship!
---Gina7 on 9/29/07


If however your judging others that worship on Sunday and eat different foods then you -then your salvation is based on works and makes the work of the cross of none effect.
---Andrea on 9/27/07
Salvation based on works is works by itself not combined with faith. The SDA church combines faith with works. Works alone is meaningless, and faith alone is meaningless. Faith and works together is correct. James chap 2. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone" James 2:17
---Gina7 on 9/29/07


Also Andrea, telling someone present truth that Sunday is a false sabbath and the only true day made holy by God is the 7th day, is not "judging", it is telling the truth. You asked me if you would be condemed because you know the 7th day is the true Sabbath and choose not to keep it, and I quoted scripture to you, I did not judge you personally. It is God that judges, not me! We spread the truth to others. If you choose not to obey, that is between you and God.
---Gina7 on 9/29/07


Keeping every aspect of God's law of love is important. God's language of love is His law. He tells us how He wants us to demonstrate our love for Him. The 1st 4 commandments are what He desires us to do if we trust and love Him. No problem, Father for You have written your law on my heart!
---robin8683 on 9/28/07


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Tisha - if you follow your denomination and and believe that Christ died for you and that you are saved by Him through His atonement on the cross - yes your saved.

If however your judging others that worship on Sunday and eat different foods then you -then your salvation is based on works and makes the work of the cross of none effect.

be blessed and if you read through the adventists posts you'll quickly get a feel for the tone of this debate.
---Andrea on 9/27/07


Tisha - if you go to ex-adventist outreach youll get a quick lesson in the apologetics of this site too.
---Andrea on 9/27/07


gina stated "The Sabbath is the most important commandment, of all the 10", and I have been asking several times if other Adventists have the same conviction.

If the Sabbath commandment were the foremost commandment then was Jesus wrong in his answer to the lawyer in Matthew 22?

And are we wrong in believing that if the Sabbath commandment was one of any importance in which we are accoutable, that it would be emphasized in the New Testament whereas it is not?
---lee on 9/27/07


gina stated "The Sabbath is the most important commandment, of all the 10", and I have been asking several times if other Adventists have the same conviction.

If the Sabbath commandment were the foremost commandment then was Jesus wrong in his answer to the lawyer in Matthew 22?

And are we wrong in believing that if the Sabbath commandment was one of any importance in which we are accoutable, that it would be emphasized in the New Testament whereas it is not?
---lee on 9/27/07


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dj - this is ridiculous - if you think so then for you it is

Rom 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

convinced in the Lord Jesus

explain it to Paul

or does Ellen know better then Christ?
---Andrea on 9/26/07


I am an Adventist myself and our teachings are biblical. Before acuseing any church off being a cult,you need to first know the meaning of a cult. We exalt no one but God and His Word. God gave us an outline of foods we should and should not eat in Leviticus when we question such we are actually questioning God. We are advised in Titus 3:9 and Timothy 2:23 to not debate the Word of God. Therefore I advise persons to study the Word asking God to enlighten them and not degrade each other.
---TISHA on 9/26/07


Rom 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
---Andrea on 9/26/07


Andrea, you said "I do my best to not only present the truth but to do it in a way that you can refer back to it and refute etc... when and where I am wrong - prove it - I will - admit it and apologize."

Well, you object that "a lobster dinner is not fit for a man." But the Bible says:

Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you-Lev 11:12.
---Geoff on 9/26/07


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djconklin:

We don't have a "Thus saith the Lord" saying chocolate or coffee or candy are OK either. Does that mean they are forbidden?

I don't recall any scripture saying that "Everything that is not explicitly permitted is automatically forbidden". In fact, the converse is generally true. God gave the Jews 10 commandments (and 619 laws) specifying a short list of things they were forbidden from doing, rather than listing many thousands of things that they were permitted.
---StrongAxe on 9/25/07


Adventists are right in that one should eat only foods that are beneficial and not harmful to ones body. But they fail to note that "the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit".

They should quit telling people that one sins by what one eats or drinks as Jesus made it very clear in Mark 7:18f that one does not sin by what one eats or drinks.
---lee on 9/23/07


"It is true that scavengers are generally less healthy to eat than other creatures, but this is just common sense, not the Commandment of God."

So He gave the command because ...? Try its both.
---djconklin on 9/23/07


"Besides, now, for example, shrimp are grown on farms where they are fed organic nutrients, and not sewage, so the "scavanger" argument flies out the window in this case."

Not all shrimp are farm raised. And just because what they eat is better that doesn't mean that they are now safe to eat. We don't have a "Thus saith the Lord" saying it is now okay.
---djconklin on 9/23/07


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This is for the one who posted this question. I believe you should be clarified what "adventist" means. If you believe in Christ and His coming, then you are an adventist yourself. Would you then, now, consider yourself a cult???
---lotlot on 9/23/07


djconklin:

It is true that scavengers are generally less healthy to eat than other creatures, but this is just common sense, not the Commandment of God. It is a far cry from "Shrimp and lobsters might be less healthy for you" to "Thou shalt not eat lobsters and shrimp".

Besides, now, for example, shrimp are grown on farms where they are fed organic nutrients, and not sewage, so the "scavanger" argument flies out the window in this case.
---StrongAxe on 9/23/07


My brother was married to an Adventist and he often went fishing bringing home bullheads & catfish (fish w/o scales, forbidden for eating under Levitical laws) and his wife cooked them for him.

While the 3 daughters joined the SDA church, the son did not. His father often stated that he would rather see his son a drunkard than an Adventist believing there was more hope for a drunkard.

Neither of them drank or smoked believing the the moral lifestyle was more healthful & beneficial.
---lee on 9/22/07


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