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Follow Traditions Versus God

Look at Col 2:8. It talks about how some are doing traditions of man instead of what the Word really says. How many see it in mainstream churches today that people would rather follow what man "thinks" is right v.s. what is actually written in the Word?

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Ignatius - I can understand your viewpoint, but the elder-deacon (or Presbyteries) type of government was a far less complicated form than that of the Episcopal.

Church government has become like other governments just another functionless bureaucracy.

What gets done is often the individual Christians seeing the need and doing something about it.
---Lee1538 on 12/31/09


Lee-
One may argue however, that the episcopal model was a natural development. It is very interested that very early in Church history, early 2nd century, we witness a clear distinction between Priests (Presbyters) and Bishops (as told by Saint Ignatius of Antioch).

It is also very interesting that the Presbyterian Church has little in common with the Ancient Church (1st-11th centuries), like all post-16 century sects trying to mimic Ancient Christianity, but it is simply a church based largely on John Calvin teachings with modification.

And besides Lee, the Presbyterian Church government is not very simple, consisting of "ruling {yup, there goes the word) elders", "teaching elders", etc.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/30/09


Ignatius//Actually, the majority of Christians do it right (Eastern Catholics, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, etc), since we all worship liturgically... and have a worship service that closely resemble the Early Liturgies,,,

Even more ancient is the form of church government followed by Presbyterians - a simple system of elders & deacons in the individual churches, not priests, bisbops, archbishops, patriarchs and others that attempted to mimic the old Jewish priesthood and whom made up rules and beliefs as they went along.
---Lee1538 on 12/30/09


"We do it all wrong." (leah)

Actually, the majority of Christians do it right (Eastern Catholics, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, etc), since we all worship liturgically (on the first day of the week), partake of the Divine Eucharist ("Lord's Supper") at the end of the service, and have a worship service that closely resemble the Early Liturgies. If one study Holy Scriptures and HOW the Early Church (i.e., the first few centuries of Church History) worshiped, one will know WHO today do it all wrong!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/28/09


There are many things written in the Bible. These ideas are there and must be rightly divided as the scripture says. God made An covenant with Abraham and it was by circumcision but Abraham was not under the Law of Moses and did not keep the Sabbath as Moses himself gave testimony. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made --NOT-- this covenant with our --FATHERS--, but
--WITH US--, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. Jesus refers to the Law when he spoke about it to the Jews as their Law. He said: is it not said in Your Law! Why? Because he was not under their covenant he was under his own covenant between himself and God. The one you are under now.
---exzucuh on 12/28/09




Jana,
While I agree with you that the Sabbath is on Saturday, the Sabbath is a day of rest, NOT a day of worship.
The early church met on Sunday, the "Lord's Day" as a commemoration of His resurrection. They joined together in homes, not large multi-million dollar buildings, and ate a meal together, broke bread, observed the bread and the wine 'in remembrance' of Christ's promised return.
The early church would have been coming together for the evening meal EVERY Sunday, AND observing the 'Lord's Supper' as a portion of that meal, not as a separate act.
That is man's tradition. Read the scriptures (Acts) to learn more about how the early church met and worshipped. We do it all wrong.
---Leah on 12/27/09


Only those traditions that nullified the word of God, Christ condemned.

But 2 Thess 2:15 tells us to follow those traditions delivered by Paul to the churches.

So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

So what traditions exactly do the'mainline churches today'follow that nullifies what commandments of God.

State the applicable commandment and the tradition that nullifies that commandment.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Mat 15:9) Many have substituted even man-made commandments in place of those written by God with His own finger on tables of stone.
---jerry6593 on 10/8/07


Absolutely...the Bible predicts it...
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
---wes on 3/21/07


such a great example of this man made tradition is the sabbath..sorry I will repeat it again as it is a man made tradition. man changed the day of worship to sunday..the true sabbath is the 7th day sabbath...read Luke 23:54 for example..it clearly tells you the cricifixion day Friday as the preparation day as the sabbath/Saturday was drawing on...
---jana on 7/27/06




Many are called by their church's name. This may "tag" one in a doctrine or a bylaw. I believe God's word is what we need & it holds much yet to be revealed. As a babe needs milk & later meat to grow, we are given understanding & revelation of the scripture we read. God's word is mystery in simplicity but revealed to believers as they "grow". Beware of letting feelings supplant God's word. Test what you hear or read elsewhere. Search to prove it true no matter the source.
---mikefl on 12/15/05


Emcee, the unwritten word of God to you comes through your believes of your church. In other words what they say is the unwritten word of God. Not true at all. All Scripture closed with Revelations. Other religions as Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, started by men having new revelations. Jim Jones and others have had new revelations and look what happened to them. The Bible is God's Word and has everything we need. Any new revelations come from man and not God.
---Lupe2618 on 12/13/05


A little over 20 years ago, in the early 1980s, when the enemy started supplanting the KJV Bible with his slue of new fandangle Unholy Bibles, ever since then false doctrines started abounding in the churches, in the homes, and across the country. He couldn't get rid of the Holy Bible, so he was successful in foiling another way, flood the market with uninspired doctrines and commentaries of hell, but entitle them "Holy Bible" and "New" versions.
---Eloy on 12/11/05


There is such a thing called Sacred tradition, its the unwritten word of God spoken by the Prophets & Apostles recieved through the inspiration of the HS see 2 Thessolonians 2;15 they are never in conflict because the same HS is speaking.
---Emcee on 12/10/05


Knox replied: "Ye shall believe God, that plainly speaketh in His word, and farther than the word teaches you, ye neither shall believe the one nor the other. The word of God is plain in itself; and if there appear any obscurity in one place, the Holy Ghost, which is never contrary to Himself, explains the same more clearly in other places, so that there can remain no doubt but unto such as obstinately remain ignorant."
---Wayne87 on 12/10/05


While we may see it all around, it is important that we recognize the real danger is in our own hearts--we want someone to "support" our ideas of what the word says, rather than trusting God to speak to us through His word. John Knox was once asked by Queen Mary of Scotland: "Ye interpret the Scriptures in one manner, and they (the Roman Catholic teachers) interpret in another; whom shall I believe, and who shall be judge?"
---Wayne87 on 12/10/05


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Traditions of men are not to be followed. Why? Because traditions are made up of our own understanding. And we are told in the bible to lean not to our own understanding.---mima 12/10/2005
---mima on 12/10/05


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