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Is Mary A Mediator For Christians

Is mary a mediator ( Acts as a go between us and JESUS )for us today?

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Stan, Thank you. The reference in Ezekiel is to the king of Tyre, how he was compared to being "set up" as Adam was in the garden of Eden but had pride & saying that he had built Tyre & made it proper. But God brought him down.
Isaiah 14 is about the king of Babylon, lucifer is a taunt or making fun of the king. Nothing to do with satan.
---Chip on 4/24/08


Hey Chip, You had ask for scripture references stating that an archangel rebelled against God. There are 2 references that I know of right off both in the Old Testament part of the bible. First one is in (Ezekiel 28:12-17) Satan referred to as an anointed cherub twice, who was in garden of Eden. Next reference is found in Isaiah 14:12-15 it says How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer. Hope this helps you Chip.
---Stan on 4/23/08


Rhonda,
Luke 1:19 & 26,"And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God, and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee glad tidings". :26 "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,"
The only time the angel, Gabriel is in the Bible & never called an archangel.
Satan is never called an archangel. Why "promote" them?
---Chip on 4/23/08


Rhonda,
Please take this is a nice way. I never post theory or my opinion unless I first say "in my opinion", and even then I will have something to show why I have that opinion.
---Chip on 4/23/08


Chip,

You should start a blog topic to ellaborate on your theory of one archangel ...reducing Gabriel status ruling one third of Gods angels ...and Satan with his third of Gods angels who with your theory never rebelled

as for Mary ...if we are to imitate Christ it's clearly understood that Christ or His Apostles never prayed to His mother

...claiming Mary is divine elevating her to some magical goddess status is borrowed directly from pagans queen of heaven which is antichrist
---Rhonda on 4/23/08




Rhonda, 2
...Michael would also be Satan who was the fallen angel

In which case Michael as the fallen angel who is now Satan will be fighting himself ...because Michael will return with Christ to fight Satan at the end of the tribulation

Bible, chapter & verse that says "Christ to fight satan" please.
---Chip on 4/23/08


Rhonda,
Please show Bible, chapter, verse, that says an archangel rebelled.
---Chip on 4/23/08


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...Michael would also be Satan who was the fallen angel

In which case Michael as the fallen angel who is now Satan will be fighting himself ...because Michael will return with Christ to fight Satan at the end of the tribulation

either way scripture does not support your theories
---Rhonda on 4/22/08


Emcee is correct. The King of Babylon has nothing to do with this thread. Sorry for picking up the bait.
---frances008 on 4/23/08


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Chip, in your confusion you have left much of Gods Truth out of your theories.

If there is only one archangel as taught in the many seminaries you seem to be so familar with then you either believe the lies of this world that world peace will come and Christ will not return to fight Satan

..or you must understand that one of Gods archangels rebelled and if Michael is the "only one" being the only archangel in your theory
---Rhonda on 4/22/08




King may be referring to the King Pin of the Mystery Babylon the Great, in other words the Head Honcho at the Vatican. That would fit with my previously stated views on the RCC as being the vehicle for the Antichrist. There we have many freemasons who worship Satan/Lucifer/idol worshippers.
---frances008 on 4/22/08

Please try to post responsibly. What is that "ranting" for. What good is it to write silly things like that? What is your purpose??
---Chip on 4/22/08


King may be referring to the King Pin of the Mystery Babylon the Great, in other words the Head Honcho at the Vatican. That would fit with my previously stated views on the RCC as being the vehicle for the Antichrist. There we have many freemasons who worship Satan/Lucifer/idol worshippers.
---frances008 on 4/22/08


Rhonda,
In Rev.Satan is called "dragon, deceiver, devil & satan". Matt 12:24 satan is called beelzebulb (Chaldee= dung god). Don't be fooled by satan being called "deceiver" there, it is not a reference to the "deceiver" in the garden of Eden. Gen. 3 "Now the "deceiver" was the most cunning of the beast of the field".
---Chip on 4/22/08


Rhonda, It is not only my interpretation, it is taught in siminaries all over the world. You will find both, king of Tyre & king of Babylon reference, in most commentaries & Bible dictionaries.

The archangel is called by name, Michael, in Jude 1:9. The only other reference is 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Only one archangel, Michael.
---Chip on 4/22/08


Chip::Sorry.Lucifer is Satan,Is,14:15-16.confirmed. What you cite is lucifers will which caused him being cast into HELL Jn8:44Apoc12:8-9. To deny the existence of the evil angels is a grevious sin against faith.the evil spirits are our enemies.
---Emcee on 4/18/08

YOU brought it up. You are wrong. Strong's page 662, "Lucifer (lu'-sif-ur) Tittle applied to King of Babylon. "art thou fallen from heaven,o L....Is 14:12
---Chip on 4/22/08


Chip,

I appreciate what you believe your interpretations of Isa and Ezek are to you however you didn't answer my question ...how do you make your claim that Lucifer is not Satan?

Do you believe there are other archangels then the 3 God has appointed ...Lucifer (the fallen angel Gods Word describes as the destroyer who is now Satan), Michael, and Gabriel?

Who (which spirit being) is it you believe is Satan?
---Rhonda on 4/21/08


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CHIP::What has the King of Babylon Isiah14:14-15 got to do with this post.which is about Mary who christians insist is a mediator. Its far removed from the subject.even the admission of Satan has no business here.we all strayed from the subject
---Emcee on 4/21/08


SeventhSeal is correct, IMHO. Anyone else trying to take over the role is a USURPER. But Mary is not trying to take over the role, it is her 'supporters' who are pushing her into the role. The punishment will be on them.
---frances008 on 4/21/08


1Tim2:5 "For there is One God, and One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
---SeventhSeal on 4/21/08


Emcee,
Isaiah 14 is all about the king of Babylon. the latin word for "morning star" was used to taunt (make fun of) the king of Babylon. Satan is nowhere in Isaiah, surely you are smart enought to see that.
---Chip on 4/21/08


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It is a known Fact that the Words in the Gospel do NOT and WILL NOT contradicteach other Those who do so add or subtract from the context of His words.They are not True followers of Christ and are alluded to "as Wolves in sheeps clothing".
---Emcee on 4/21/08


Rhonda,
Ezekiel 28 is all about the king of Tyre that proclaimed that he had built all of Tyre & made it prosper. Ezekiel compared what God did for Tyre to what God did for Adam in the garden of Eden & that God would take it away.
Isaiah 14 was all about the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:12 is the time lucifer is in the Bible. He was taunting the king about God bringing him down.
---Chip on 4/21/08


2Corin 11:4 ...many come preaching, another Jesus, ..receiving another spirit, ..another gospel ..none GIVEN BY CHRIST through His apostles ...MANY might well bear with this false prophet

Nothing in Gods Truth supports Mary as a mediator or queen of heaven ...do true Christians follow the deceivers who TEACH another gospel (Mary as a mediator) as the apostles WARNED against in 1 Corin 11:14?

2Corin 11:2,3 ...the serpent beguiled Eve ...minds corrupted from simplicity in Christ
---Rhonda on 4/20/08


Lucifer WAS once a powerful angel in Heaven.God subjected the angels to a Trial(2Tim2:5.In this trial a large number of angels fell and through Pride wanted to be equal to God, Rebelled, Refusing to submit to His will.Their leader was Lucifer or Satan,who was cast out of heavenApoc12:8-9: 2Peter2:4.some theologians suggest that creatures from earth will occupy the place of these fallen angels,this causes Satan more pain than the flames of Hell"JN13:27Satan has still great power Luke 22:31
---Emcee on 4/20/08


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One more time..

Lucifer is not satan.

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Chip, never heard anyone claim Lucifer is not Satan ...very peculiar

do you believe there are more great cherubs other than Lucifer, Gabriel, and Michael ...if so where is this in scripture? ...Michael fights with Satan at end of age ...Gabriel is typically messenger in Gods Word ...who is Lucifer (Ezek 28:13-15) if he isnt the glorious angel who rebelled against God becoming the destroyer who is ruling earth now as Satan?
---Rhonda on 4/20/08


Chip_ You can ask HIM(Isaiah) that when you get their.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/19/08

YOU try to answer with Bible, if you disagree. Other wise you are not contributing, you are only trying to cover the lack of knowledge.
---Chip on 4/20/08


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Rhonda::Is that an infallible statement or just off the cuff statement,like an ill wind that blows nio good.Enlightenment is always the light of ones being.But there are some who Know it all

Hmmm so I'm a know it all because I can quote the catechism ...or I'm a know it all because I only follow the enlightenment of Gods Truths ...and unable to be programmed to follow the catechism? Or are you annoyed that I'm quoting Gods Truth again and you're just defending your building again...
---Rhonda on 4/20/08


Ted, anyone who, like me, admits that Jesus, come in the flesh, is Lord, receives the Holy Spirit. I have been baptized more than once. I repent of my sins. The Holy Spirit guides me, and shows me the truth from lies and safe doctrine from dangerous doctrine. Though Salvation is different from receiving the Holy Spirit, it is Salvation that we must be working for whilst being filled with the Holy Spirit. You can go to Hell even if at one point you had the Holy Spirit in you.
---frances008 on 4/20/08


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Thanks, Emcee. Lucifer and Satan are one. There are many many names for Satan. Baal is one, Angel of Light is another. You Christians who are not aware of the dark forces in the world need to be educated. Lucifer Press was the United Nations press company, now renamed Lucis Press. The UN is an occult organization.
---frances008 on 4/19/08


Receiving the Holy Spirit, He does not come by trying with the human mind.

Have you ever been baptized in the Holy Spirit? Do you believe He is a He and not a thing?
---Ted on 4/19/08


Ted, whether I have the Holy Spirit or not is not for lack of trying. However, I have fought with Satan, and I mean a Spiritual fight. I won. I would not presume to say what is in others hearts. I just respond to the people who are putting out lies. Sometimes I encourage and praise people who I believe are full of God. Of course the ones who get criticized call me dogmatic. So was Jesus. Very dogmatic. The Kingdom of Heaven will be taken by men and woman of force, not by weaklings.
---frances008 on 4/19/08


Ted, I was waking in the morning and I got a terrible word of warning. It sounded like God. I told a Pastor about it, she was actually an excellent enlightenment and saved my sanity. She told me that it was not God but Satan. The priests I asked by email, did not answer, maybe they did not get my message. Satan does sound like God, to my way of thinking, and I have heard God too. Bible verses of comfort in my head.
---frances008 on 4/19/08


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God's voice does not sound like satan's voice.

I have to ask you, do you know the Holy Spirit, frances? If not, you could be hearing your very own mind and confusing it for God's voice.
---Ted on 4/19/08


Anyone that's messing with occult or visiting with familiar spirits, you are hearing satan's voice and your own mind.

Satan cannot counterfeit God's voice or the Holy Spirit. If you're trying to serve two masters, God and one foot in the occult, you will eventually hear nothing but satan's voice.
---Ted on 4/19/08


Chip_ You can ask HIM(Isaiah) that when you get their.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/19/08


frances008, Why so dogmatic that anyone you disagree with is a satanist?

DDM, All,
Why give power, praise or credit to satan for anything you don't understand or believe? Satan is not in Isaiah even one time. Why would Isaiah stop in the middle of his talk about the king of Babylon to use a "name" for satan that is nowhere else in the Bible?? Why would Isaiah not say satan if he was referring to satan?? What did satan have to do with God taking "down" the king?? (Isa 14:15)
---Chip on 4/19/08


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I know Satan's voice, and it sounds like what you would think God would sound like. He is a master deceiver. Listen to WHAT he says and you will be able to find out WHO he is. Luciferians think they worship God, when they are worshipping Satan. This is New Age deception. Following the 'Light' but it is not of God. It is a blinding light that stops you from seeing God's light. It results in spiritual destruction, not like Paul's expce which resulted in his acknowledgement of Jesus Christ as Lord.
---frances008 on 4/18/08


DDM the entire chapter 14 of Isaiah talks about the king of Babylon. Satan is not mentioned in the entire book of Isaiah.
---Chip on 4/18/08


Lucifur IS reffered to by MANY names in the Word of God,
Abaddon,Accuser,Angel of light,
Apollyon,Beelzebub,Belial,Devil,Drogon,The Devil,ect.,ect.,ect. It goes up to(a-z) the Wicked One!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/18/08


Isaiah 14:
"12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north,
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.'
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/18/08


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Chip::Sorry.Lucifer is Satan,Is,14:15-16.confirmed. What you cite is lucifers will which caused him being cast into HELL Jn8:44Apoc12:8-9. To deny the existence of the evil angels is a grevious sin against faith.the evil spirits are our enemies.
---Emcee on 4/18/08


One more time..

Lucifer is not satan.

Isaiah 14 tells us that "lucifer" is the taunting (make fun of) the king of Babylon. Only time "lucifer" is in the Bible.
---Chip on 4/18/08


Frances:: You do not have to explain to me who is Lucifer"he is one who roams the earth seeking the RUIN of Souls.I shallll give you an"A"for audacity.You have made your choice I believe I make minein Matt16:17-19
---Emcee on 4/18/08


frances008, ALL,
Read Isaiah 14. You will find that Isaiah is taunting the king of Babylon. The adjective "lucifer" refered to the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:12 is the only place in the Bible you will find the word "lucifer".
---Chip on 4/18/08


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Emcee, Lucifer is the Light-bearer, the one who is also known as Satan. Many people worship him because he lets you 'see' that 'we are all gods'. He 'frees' from the fetters of God's Law and allows you to, in fact commands you to 'Do What Thou Wilt' (Aleister Crowley) Do what thou wilt shall be the whole law. Submit yourself to God's Word, Emcee.
---frances008 on 4/17/08


Rhonda::Is that an infallible statement or just off the cuff statement,like an ill wind that blows nio good.Enlightenment is always the light of ones being.But there are some who Know it all.
---Emcee on 4/17/08


Emcee-Your statement *The distinction of Catholic and Christian was made by you I just reiterated the phrase* is flat misrepresentation.You've never directly quoted me,so don't claim it by saying you supposively reiterated one of my phrases.You said, *Sheila that would be christian . I am Catholic* based on no distinction made by me.

Misrepresent me again, and I will comment again.

I'll look periodically to see if any of my questions have been answered.

Regardless -- God bless you!
---Sheila on 4/17/08


Sheila :: Go with God The distinction of Catholic and Christian was made by you I just reiterated the phrase..ALL Catholics are Christian.Any follower of Christ is.
---Emcee on 4/16/08


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Get a Catechism Spirago-clarke,it will blow your mind wide open.its a few bucks well spent

save yourself the money ...the rcc is a cult who worships their building and dead people and programs their flock by more rituals than the Pharisee's

per the catechism ...catholics are to submit their minds without question to the pope ...pure pagan practice ...antichrist to Gods Word that tells Christians to worship HIM and HIM alone
---Rhonda on 4/16/08


Nothing more clearly shows the error of the RCC than its attitude to Mary, a dead woman who was a sinner who needed a Saviour as we do. She was a most favoured woman,servant of God,chosen to bear Jesus. But she is dead and we are not to pray to her or worship her, or to Matthew, or Abraham et al.

I have been in enough RC churches to see the ever-present shrines to Mary with devotees kneeling before her graven image, fervently praying to and adoring her.

This is not Biblical, but heathen.
---Warwick on 4/16/08


Emcee-What's with this comment?: *Sheila that would be christian . I am Catholic*

Catholics can't be Christian? *Christian* is even in the Douay-Rheims Translation.
Ac.26:28*...persuadest me to become a Christian.*
1Pe4:16*..as a Christian,let him not be ashamed:but let him glorify God in that name.*
Seems denying being Christian is to deny Christ.You deny being Christian?Or, is it a capital vs. lowercase *c* thing?
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Emcee-I will take my leave now, as my life is in crisis(trials are harsh,but are not punishment.They test my faith and produce steadfastness,Jas.1:3)
I pray you begin to always have to courage to follow the command in 1Pe3:14-16, and stop sometimes ridiculing those who present Scripture supporting their beliefs, or ridiculing cuz someone asked you a question.
I will look periodically for a while to see if any of my questions have been answered.
God bless you!
---Sheila on 4/16/08


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Ruben-Thanks.Yes of course 1 Co.1:10 is correct.In context,Paul tells them not to be divided over who taught them(or anything), & told them * & ye are Christ's, & Christ is God's*(1Co 3:23). & Paul tells us to agree there are differences in beliefs & tells us all about it in Rm14.In Rm 15:20 he says there's differences in the foundations laid upon Christ(why else would he not want to lay upon another man's foundation?).All of these Scriptures are true.
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Emcee-Jn.17:3* & this is eternal life,that they know you the only true God, & Jesus Christ whom you have sent.*
Tob.12:19*I seemed indeed to eat & to drink with you:but I use an invisible meat and drink,which cannot be seen by men.*

What's your point in these verses?

It's your claim that the church is our salvation, & it's not claimed in God's Word.Mt.16:17-19 doesn't claim it.The gates of hell don't prevail against the church cuz Jesus saves it,not cuz the church saves itself.
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Emcee-It's your thoughts that often don't run on a sane parallel(meaning they're unreasonable).For example,in response to my question:*How about just answering *yes* or *no* with brief explanation whether Mary is the only way to Jesus?* You said,*have I ever said that Mary is the only way to Jesus?*
Of course you haven't said Mary is the only way to Jesus,or I wouldn't be asking.Why would I ask the question if you had plainly already answered it?
You still haven't answered it with a *yes* or *no*
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Emcee-You asked *What makes you say that mary is the Only way to Jesus, that is your christian thought Based On what?*
Answer: I never said Mary is the only way to Jesus, I was asking you if you thought Mary is the only way to Jesus.
You said *on the contrary you have insisted that is your(christian) way*
What's that all about? I insisted what? I sure didn't insist you said Mary is the only way to Jesus, that's why I asked you.
*Clarification*, Emcee -- it's a Biblical concept (1Peter3:14-16).
---Sheila on 4/16/08


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Emcee-You asked *Do you object to seeking Marys Help,if you so desire to use her as an intecessory Power"what is the objection if no law Broken?*
I don't seek Mary's help.For me it's sinful(Rm14:18-23).Vs.21 tells us not to *do anything that causes your brother to stumble.*So you shouldn't encourage me to talk to Mary,cuz I doubt it's right(Vs23).But it's not wrong for me to ask whether you think Mary is the only way to Jesus -- which you still haven't answered clearly with a *yes* or *no.*
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Sheila:: "why do I claim that the church is our salvation"Not my claim Lady But the word of God which you quote points to Matt16:17-19Pauls teachings show us this .ONE FAITH ONE GOD and redeemer.Get a Catechism Spirago-clarke,it will blow your mind wide open.its a few bucks well spent.read Jn17:3 & Tob.12:19
---Emcee on 4/16/08


There is but one church (Eph4:4-6 -- one body, one faith) --only one bride. But the beliefs vary (Rom 14:13).
---Sheila on 4/16/08


The beliefs "should not vary" "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all say the same thing, and there be no dissensions among you,"
1Corinthians 1:10
---ruben on 4/16/08


"How about answering Yes or No to my question"Sheila that would be christian . I am Catholic.1What makes you say that mary is the Only way to Jesus, that is your christian thought Based On what?2 have I ever said that Mary is the only way to Jesus? on the contrary you have insisted that is your(christian) way. Instead,let me ask you a question."Do you object to seeking Marys Help,if you so desire to use her as an intecessory Power"what is the objection if no law Broken?
---Emcee on 4/16/08


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Emcee-Also, why do you keep claiming the church is our salvation? Nothing in Scripture says that either. The church is the bride of Christ, we are the church.

We are not saved by the bride of Christ, and it is not ourselves that saves us.

There is but one church (Eph4:4-6 -- one body, one faith) --only one bride. But the beliefs vary (Rom 14:13). Each of us is a temple for the Holy Spirit, but sinful nature will reside in us too until we are changed (1Co.15:51-58)
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Sheila:: I like your fortrightness but can only explain to my limited knowlege,well I do try to match your meekness or assertiveness.But when it comes to The truth as you see it it does not run on the same sane parrelel Thoughts as those explained in His word The introduction of innuendos by others does not help the discussion.In My Mind there is only ONR RIGHT-His word, the rest are lefts,which are the arroyos in the landscape leading nowhere except to dead carcasses.
---Emcee on 4/16/08


Emcee-What part of the prophecy of Gen3:15 have I denied?The part about *she* crushes Satan's head? I didn't deny that. I still think *they* is the correct term, and *she* would be part of *they*, so I'm not denying that. Regardless Douay Rheims footnoted *for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head.*

Mary didn't do it without Jesus, so why do you separate the two so it sounds as though she did?
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Emcee-What of Mt16:17-19 says Christ's church is w/o err? Paul said he was w/o err (about his teachings). But apostles are now gone(Paul said he was the last one), & nowhere in Scripture says the church is presently w/o err.

I've said nothing that portrays Christ's church as something to be denied.(What example do you have?)Just cuz it has err,doesn't mean it's to be denied.It's to be decorated though:she's well adorned in Rev 21:2.Why do you have a problem with the church being decorated?
---Sheila on 4/16/08


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Sheila ::1.You may take part of a verse to explain a point But in the case of Gen3:15 its a whole and entire prophecy, by Almighty GOD, which you and others have denied.Till I produced the DRV.2.My insistence That Matt16::17-19 is as authentic as it is HIS CHURCH being thus It does not err,He did not set up HIS Church for denial or decoration.But you make it so.Yes Christina salvation is in His Church or Have you Forgotten.
---Emcee on 4/16/08


Alan of UK -Yes, that is a good laugh for everyone. I did think Douay Rheims really was a person. They were places (Rheims, a college).

I'll correct what I said:

I don't think anyone associated with what we know as translation into the Douay Rheims Bible (or Rheims-Douai Bible)made any deliberate errs,with intent to decieve while doing the translation.
---Sheila on 4/16/08


Sheila ... "I don't think Douay Rheims made any deliberate errs,with intent to decieve when he was doing his translation"

Do you really think Douay Rheims was a person?
---alan_of_UK on 4/16/08


Emcee-Why do you keep asserting that the church is above condemnation (without fault) when Scripture doesn't state that? Why do you state that when Scripture shows when churches have been at fault (such as churches mentioned in Rev2 & 3)? The foundation of the true Church is Eph 2:19-22. It does not contradict Mt.16:17-19, but does show that Peter is not the only stone in the foundation & 1Co3:11 clarifies that all foundations are laid upon Christ.
---Sheila on 4/15/08


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Emcee, glad you're better. You wrote: "You want salvation then go to HIS CHURCH Mat16:17-19."
Matt 16 doesn't say goto His church for salvation...the word throughout is clear that we are to go to HIM, salvation is through HIM. I understand the verse you cite is your support for your view, however, much else in the Word does not necesasarily square with this exclusive view (ie: the RCC as His one and only church) God's done too many wonrous things through non caths to believe only RCC are His
---Christina on 4/15/08


Emcee-You are mistaking my disagreements with you with the fact that I'm only doing 1Pe3:14-16 esp.*but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, & be ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason of the hope in you,with meekness & fear.* I fall short on meekness, but meekness isn't a fruit you bear well either.I've definitely been mistreated by Catholics(Jn15:20)including you.How have I mistreated you?I know you've complained of my questions before,but that makes no sense to me.
---Sheila on 4/15/08


As for the Holy Spirit guiding His church...yes of course He does, and His leading is perfect. Still, we can see numerous ex. of someone led or taught by the Spirit, then being led otherwise. Peter is a perfect example, it was
God who revealed to him that Jesus was the Christ, then shortly after, Jesus rebuked him. Point is, not to look solely to those who are Spirit led, but to ALWAYS check all things with God, with prayer and the Word.
---Christina on 4/15/08


Emcee-Your answer *God abhors sin" was a statement re your suggestion that we must talk to maryto make contact with shepherd Jesus'- was your belief I said it was permissable and not out of line with scripture*is confusing.It's sinful to suggest you may think talking to Mary is the only way to Jesus? Or, it's sinful not to understand that talking to Mary is the only way to Jesus* ???

How about just answering *yes* or *no* with brief explanation whether Mary is the only way to Jesus?
---Sheila on 4/15/08


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Emcee-You've never separated J+M? What exactly do you mean by that? You certainly do use the name *Jesus* or *Mary* in any given sentence, or whole message w/o mentioning the other (I have examples).Do you mean you don't separate them regarding Ge3:15 crushing Satan? That's not true either. Over & over again you've stated things such as *that the WOMAN crushes the serpents Head -- is the correct Transalation.* - separating Mary from Jesus.

So what do you mean you've never separated J+M?
---Sheila on 4/15/08


Sheila::"God abhors sin" was a statement re your suggestion that we must talk to maryto make contact with shepherd Jesus'- was your belief I said it was permissable and not out of line with scripture."No one goes to the Father except Me"You object .You want salvation then go to HIS CHURCH Mat16:17-19.The lost are wandering but the flock remains intact.
---Emcee on 4/15/08


ALL::I know it is hard for you to accept Jesus on the basis of The Rcc Teaching even Jesus said the same in JN15:18-25Hatred is a symptom which every human must control.I see it in you too Frances.Each of us will be called to give an account of our steward ship.Every minute draws nearer that time.
---Emcee on 4/15/08


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