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Why The Sabbath Is A Big Deal

Why is the time of the Sabbath so criticle to the SDA's? A matter of hours we are talking about here, so why make such a matter a do or die position of faith? I just don't understand so please help me out.

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"Secondly they really want to 'Galatianize' the Christian to deprive of freedom in Christ."-lee

I was thinking the same thing.
---Kay on 11/14/06


Kay - *But NONE have supplied the NT passage that states a born-again Christian must observe Jewish laws. Why is that?*

First, they cannot as there are no NT passages that support that Christians are to observe Jewish laws.

Secondly they really want to 'Galatianize' the Christian to deprive of freedom in Christ.

Galatians 2:4 False Christians were brought in. They slipped in as spies to learn about the freedom Christ Jesus gives us. They hoped to find a way to control us.
---lee on 11/13/06


2. Then after reading your passage, I didn't see anything that pertained to what you were talking about. Nothing to get excited about. You don't have to answer, I was just making myself clear.
---lisa on 11/13/06


LUPE 2618,
I think its high time you start praying for only God can reveal the Truth to you - God will provide all your answers
---ZIMBABWEAN on 11/13/06


"..and that Jesus has abolished the entire OC laws."-Jeff

(1)Hebrews 8:6-13
(2)Hebrews 7:22
(3)Luke 22:20
(4)Matthew 5:18-John 19:30
(5)Romans 8:1-3
(6)Romans 7:1-6
(7)Ephesians 2:15

"That at that time ye [Gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS OF THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE [OC], having no hope, and without God in the world."-Ephesians 2:12
---Kay on 11/12/06




Toby, Jesus is specifically speaking to Jews living during the time of the Tribulation period. Matt 24:16 says "Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains.." Are you a Jew living in Judea?
---Kay on 11/12/06


Toby, in verse 20 Jesus is telling the Jews to pray that their flee into the mountains isn't on the Sabbath.Do you know why Jesus told them this?A Jew can only travel 2000-3000 feet on the Sabbath.If their flee to the mountains is on the Sabbath,there is no way that they will be able to go far enough in order to flee the persecutions of the Anti-Christ.
---Kay on 11/12/06


Jeff, I'm not calling Jesus a liar. I'm only acknowledging what He actually said. He didn't say that the OC was to last until Heaven and Earth pass away. The point that He was making was that the OC will last forever UNLESS it is fulfilled first. Jesus fulfilled the entire OC. Notice in verse 18 He says "..one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, UNTIL all be fulfilled." UNTIL!
---Kay on 11/12/06


"Obviously All isn't accomplished yet."

Jeff, ALL is accomplished. Jesus said in verse 17 that His purpose for coming was to fulfill the OC. If the OC hasn't been completely fulfilled then Jesus' purpose failed. On the cross Jesus said "It is finished". He completely fulfilled the OC.


"..but since you have annuled them all where does that put you Kay?"

I haven't annuled them. Jesus is the one who abolished the OC by His death on the cross.
---Kay on 11/12/06


"Are you so hardheaded & stubborn that He has to repeat for you? The command for Sabbath is mentioned more than any other command in the Torah."

Jeff, there is no command in the New Testament for Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath. You and the SDAs claim I'm blind, foolish, evil, lost, damned, etc. But NONE of you have supplied the NT passage that states how a born-again Christian must observe Jewish laws. Why is that?
---Kay on 11/12/06




"Christians expect the Law to be rehashed in the NT for it to be valid."

Jeff, thats how covenants work. When one covenant has been abolished the only way that any of its laws are to be enforced under a new covenant is for that new covenant to specifically include those old laws within it. The Sabbath and other ceremonial laws are NOT included within the New Covenant, therefore we do not have to observe them.
---Kay on 11/12/06


"Replacement theology rears its ugly head."

Call the will of God whatever you wish. The NC taking place of the OC is the perfect will of God.

"When they start persecuting jews for not converting to christianity are you gonna join in?"

No. I love Jews. My God became a Jewish man in order to bring eternal salvation to His people.

"You're dislike for Torah speaks volumes."

I don't dislike the Torah.

---Kay on 11/12/06


"Please give bible reference to back that up,verse and chapter please."-Jeff

(1)"Speak thou also to the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.."-Ex 31:13-17 (2)"Behold I make a covenant:before all thy people I will do wonderful things,such as have not been done in all the earth,NOR IN ANY NATION.."-Ex 34:10 (3)"He hath not dealt so with any nation..."-Ps.147:19-20 (4)"For when the Gentiles; which HAVE NOT THE LAW.."-Rom 2:4
---Kay on 11/12/06


Jeff, I have stated over and over that IF anyone wants to observe the Jewish Sabbath thats their choice. I am not the one condemning people for their choices. I have been condemned by the SDAs and other Sabbath keepers for not observing the Old Covenant. I don't HAVE to observe it because it isn't for me. I'm a born-again believer who lives under the NC. I do not wish to be under a covenant that never brought righteousness and salvation.
---Kay on 11/12/06


"..and since G-ds word is eternal & unchangeable.."

Jeff, the New Testament is also God's word. There you will find that Jesus was the end of the Old Covenant. It has passed away and the NC has been established. God NEVER intended for the Old Covenant to last. Even the OT prophets taught that God would make a new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And that covenant was made through the blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 22:20; Hebrews 7:22; 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6).
---Kay on 11/12/06


"I wonder if you're getting OC and the Torah mixed up."

Jeff, the Torah contains the Old Covenant.


"Satan could care less about the OC"

Not so. He is leading many people to believe that they aren't under the NC and that the OC is still being enforced. Its a direct rejection of the finishing work of Christ.


"..but he definitely wants you to NOT live according to the Torah because this way you disobey G-d"

I'm not Jewish.
---Kay on 11/12/06


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"and since you won't believe Torah how can you believe Messiah? John 5:46&47"

Jeff, I didn't say that I didn't BELIEVE the Torah. I simply don't live under the Jewish ceremonial laws and commandments. Moses spoke of Jesus meaning that Jesus is God. Jesus wasn't saying that since Moses gave the Old Covenant to Israel that the NT believers had to observe Jewish laws. Youre reading way too much into it.

---Kay on 11/12/06


Jeff - In case there's some here that do not know what the Torah is, ...

Torah \tor-e\ n 1 : a scroll of the first 5 books of the OT used in a synagogue; also : these five books 2 : the body of divine knowledge & law found in the Jewish scriptures & tradition.

It is obvious that the Torah is basically the Old Covenant law given only to the Jewish nation.

The church makes use of it to understand that it pre-figured Christ and His ministry - the shadow of things there were to come.
---Lee on 11/12/06


Kay-(feast days, new moons, Passover, circumcision, animal sacrifices, temple worship, etc)
Amazingly these all teach about messiah, and since G-ds word is eternal & unchangeable, if you don't want them you must not want to know more about the messiah.
You MUST not judge other believers for choosing not to accept YOUR beliefs in regards to Law keeping- HA HA you definetly have not read the Torah. Judging others is not allowed. What you think G-d said all these commands but wanted them to be rude?
---Jeff on 11/12/06


Kay 2-Satan knows that to live under the Old Covenant is a direct denial of Jesus' finishing work on the cross

I wonder if you're getting OC and the Torah mixed up. Satan could care less about the OC but he definitely wants you to NOT live according to the Torah because this way you disobey G-d and since you won't believe Torah how can you believe Messiah? John 5:46&47
---Jeff on 11/12/06


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Kay 3-Jesus Christ abolished the Old Covenant_ No thats putting words in his mouth (Matt5:17-18) Heaven & earth are still here Kay, whats next you gonna call Messiah a liar?G-d forbid. Obviously All isn't accomplished yet. If so, please excuse me I'm going to go sit at the masters feet in Jerusalem where he's on the throne.
By annuling the least of the commandments a person is called least in the kingdom, thats not a good place to be, but since you have annuled them all where does that put you Kay?
---Jeff on 11/12/06


Kay 4. Where does it say "The body of Christ must remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"???
Are you so hardheaded & stubborn that He has to repeat for you? The command for Sabbath is mentioned more than any other command in the Torah. Christians expect the Law to be rehashed in the NT for it to be valid. Replacement theology rears its ugly head. When they start persecuting jews for not converting to christianity are you gonna join in? You're dislike for Torah speaks volumes.
---Jeff on 11/12/06


Kay 5.The Bible CLEARLY teaches that other nations were NOT given the OC and that Jesus has abolished the entire OC laws.
---Kay (Vote) on 11/11/06
Please give bible reference to back that up, verse and chapter please. If you can't then its not in there and you just profaned the master.
---Jeff on 11/12/06


kay- The Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689, chap.19 entitled" The Law of G-d,"in which the use of the Law by Christians is stated. After noting that the Law of G-d is of great use to christians, the confession states:The fact that a man does good & refrains from evil because the Law encourages the former & deters the latter, is NO evidence that the man is under the Law & not under grace.
---Jeff on 11/12/06


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kay- In other words, the Torah was viewed as encouraging the christian to do good works & deterring him from sin. A christian who lived in accordance with the Law was not to be viewed as "under the Law" but as living out the grace of G-d.This section of the Baptist Confession ends with language closely resembling the Westminister Confession: The Aforementioned uses of the Law of G-d do not run contrary to the grace of the gospel, but are most happily in line with it, Cont'd
---Jeff on 11/12/06


kay- for the Spirit of Christ subdues the will of man and enables it to do freely and with cheerfulness that which the will of G-d, as revealed in the Law, requires to be done.(chap.19,Sec7) wow Kay looks like even the church from a couple of hundred years ago will disagree with you. I believe they would call you heretical.
---Jeff on 11/12/06


Kay-it is Satan who is making you think that you must live under the Old Covenant

So was it satan that replied to my prayer to G-d for His truth and His truth alone that led me to the Torah. Is it spirit of G-d that leads men to keep the Torah in faith in Yeshua or is it satan?
---Jeff on 11/12/06


Kay & lee Another Q. If as U say the Sabbath law ended with Yahushua's death then why in Matt24:19-20 should we cry out in prayer to our Father that when the time comes, in the future, for us to flee, we are "not pregnant"
"not with a child at the breast" "not in winter" and "NOT ON THE SABBATH". If the Sabbath is no more required, why was that written? Dont say its for the Jews as the scriptue is given for us and all nations who want to believe.
---Toby on 11/12/06


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Toby - *Please advise which country U were born in, can established if U are a descendent of Jacob."

From what stable floor can you acquire that kind of information?

I know that old Herbert W. Armstrong believed that the 10 lost tribes of Israel migrated to England, etc. but that has been proven to be totally false.
---lee on 11/11/06


Gina, it is Satan who is making you think that you must live under the Old Covenant. Satan knows that to live under the Old Covenant is a direct denial of Jesus' finishing work on the cross. Jesus Christ abolished the Old Covenant and established the New Covenant with His own blood. God doesn't want you to live under the Old Law.

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ died in vain."-Galatians 2:21
---Kay on 11/11/06


Gina,you're free to keep the Sabbath as long as you do the following:
(1)Keep the ENTIRE Old Covenant including all ceremonial laws. You cannot pick out which laws you wish to observe. You MUST keep the ENTIRE OC. (feast days, new moons, Passover, circumcision, animal sacrifices, temple worship, etc)
(2)You MUST not judge other believers for choosing not to accept YOUR beliefs in regards to Law keeping.
---Kay on 11/11/06


Gina,I didn't say that obedience to God is caused by the devil.Don't put words in my mouth.I said the devil wants people to believe that they are to live under the OC.Satan hates the cross and blood of Christ.By fooling you into believing that you must live under the OC,he is attacking and denying the power of the blood and the finishing work at the cross.Please come to an understanding that believers are under the New Covenant and that the Old has past away. Hebr 8:6-13;2 Cor 3;Eph 2:11-15;Rom 3:19-20
---Kay on 11/11/06


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Toby, YOU cannot establish who is a descendent of Jacob.

"Sabbath command in n/c is similar."

You preach that the 4th commandment is repeated in the NT,but you still haven't coughed up the passage. Where does it say "The body of Christ must remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"???

"Some have been shown where it is some haven't."

Is your nose growing?
---Kay on 11/11/06


"I state again "it is a command in the N/C to keep the Sabbath" -

Toby,you can say that until the cows come home. Its NOT there!!! IF it is there, why is it so hard for you to simply give me the exact book, chapter, and verse? Simple. You know its not there, don't you? The Bible CLEARLY teaches that other nations were NOT given the OC and that Jesus has abolished the entire OC laws.
---Kay on 11/11/06


Toby, if the Sabbath still stands then so does all the other ceremonial laws. Do you also keep Passover? Do you worship in a Jewish temple? Do you stone your church members if they break the smallest Sabbath law? Do you pick up sticks on the Sabbath? Do you start the engine of your car on the Sabbath? If youre going to preach Law keeping, then practice what you preach!!
---Kay on 11/11/06


Kay/lee Please advise which country U were born in, can established if U are a descendent of Jacob. U u/stand about parables and how in general people didnt u/stand, and it was explained by Yahushua. Sabbath command in n/c is similar. Some have been shown where it is some havent. I state again "it is a command in the N/C to keep the Sabbath" be a Berean, Acts17:10-11 and search, pray for your mind to be opened, leave any preconceived ideas, let the spirit show you. Happy studying
---Toby on 11/11/06


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For your information, the devil IS on the side of deceiving and causing people NOT to believe God's words, such as those in the 4th commandment, and he is NOT on the side of God's Law, and wanting people to be obedient. Saying I am deceived by the devil because I want to obey Jesus and keep the 4th commandment and be obedient, is laughable. You should listen to yourselves and repeat back what you are typing before sending it. May God forgive you for saying obedience to Him is caused by the devil!
---Gina on 11/11/06


"It is a pity but they themselves have been blinded by the same serpent that deceived Eve in trying to force the church back under the Mosaic Law."-lee

I agree. Satan is deceiving them into believing that they are to live under the OC. If the OC is still enforced, then the NC(which was obtained by the blood of Christ) is null and void. This is just another way that Satan is denying the finishing work of Christ on the cross.The devil hates the cross of Christ and the blood of Christ.
---Kay on 11/10/06


"Where, where, where?"-lee


lol
---Kay on 11/10/06


"yes it is and particularily Israelites."

No, thats 100% contrary to biblical truths. The Sabbath was specifically given to Israel as a sign of their deliverance out of Egypt and as a sign of them being set apart from other nations. The Sabbath cannot be a sign between God and Israel if all other nations were expected to keep it as well. Gentiles are "strangers" to the Old Covenant.
---Kay on 11/10/06


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"commanded to keep the Sabbath YES YES YES."

Commanded to keep the Sabbath? NO NO NO! Just like these other ceremonial laws were fulfilled in Christ, the Sabbath was also fulfilled in Christ. He is our Sabbath. -Mt 11:28-30;Col 2:16,17

So why were all the other ceremonial laws fulfilled in Christ but the Sabbath wasn't? If Christ didn't fulfill the entire law then He didn't fulfill it at all. The Sabbath was a ceremonial law under the Old Covenant given to Israel ONLY.
---Kay on 11/10/06


"Then you are left without excuse for not observing it."

Gina, I'm left with biblical truths for not observing it.

"The excuses listed for not keeping it are man made concepts, and do not hold up."

The REASONS for the Gentiles not observing the Sabbath are GOD MADE precepts, AND DO HOLD UP. One of these days you will have a better understanding of God's Word. This is my prayer for you.
---Kay on 11/10/06


"The devil is still deceiving people, leading them to make excuses for thier sins, and to think that makes it okay. It DOES NOT make it OK".

Gina, the devil is the one who deceived Ellen G White and is now deceiving and blinding her followers. I do pray that you will soon come out from among the wolves. You seem like a nice person. It makes me sad to know that you are following a false prophet.
---Kay on 11/10/06


Gina, you condemn me for not observing a Jewish memorial, and you boast about keeping the Law of Moses,but you don't truly keep the biblical Sabbath. You are only observing what you think you ought to observe. If youre going to live under the law you must abide by the ENTIRE law. I thank God that NT believers aren't required to keep the OC!
---Kay on 11/10/06


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toby - *commanded to keep the Sabbath YES YES YES."

Where, where, where? Can you point to a single New Testament verse that commands the church to observe the Sabbath?


---lee on 11/10/06


Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

The poor beguiled SDA cannot point to a single verse in the New Testament to justify their keeping of the Jewish Sabbath. It is a pity but they themselves have been blinded by the same serpent that deceived Eve in trying to force the church back under the Mosaic Law.
---lee on 11/10/06


"Kay U said "the Bible does clearly teach Sabbath observance,(so keep it)"

Toby, I don't HAVE to keep it. I'm not under the Laws of Moses. You definitely should read Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:7-11,14; Ephesians 2:15; Hebrews 8:6-13
---Kay on 11/10/06


Kay U said "the Bible does clearly teach Sabbath observance,(so keep it) but it isn't directed towards Gentiles.(yes it is and particularily Israelites) The Bible also clearly teaches circumcision,(now of the heart) animal sacrifices,(no longer required as no sacrifice greater than Yahushua's), temple worship,(we r now temple) death by stoning,(shalt not kill) etc., but are NT believers supposed to practice such? commanded to keep the Sabbath YES YES YES.
---Toby on 11/10/06


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Kay - "Gina, the Bible does clearly teach Sabbath observance" Then you are left without excuse for not observing it. The excuses listed for not keeping it are man made concepts, and do not hold up. When people sin, they make excuses. Adam's excuse was the woman God gave him; Eve's excuse was the serpent beguiled her. The devil is still deceiving people, leading them to make excuses for thier sins, and to think that makes it okay. It DOES NOT make it OK.
---Gina on 11/10/06


"but they had heard of their Bibles and what it clearly teaches and had accepted it."

Gina, the Bible does clearly teach Sabbath observance, but it isn't directed towards Gentiles. The Bible also clearly teaches circumcision, animal sacrifices, temple worship, death by stoning, etc., but are NT believers supposed to practice such?
---Kay on 11/9/06


The Sabbath is not unique to the SDA faith and there are many Christian faiths that promote the keeping holy of the 7th day,and they have come to this conclusion from reading their Bibles and accepting the truth. 7th Day Baptists, Pentacostal Holiness, etc. None of the people I have met in these faiths had ever even heard of Ellen White, but they had heard of their Bibles and what it clearly teaches and had accepted it.
---Gina on 11/9/06


It occurs to me that if the Adventists cannot support their view that Sabbath keeping is an essential command for the church, then their entire system crumbles and they would be left with nothing. The works of their catatonic & epileptic founder Ellen White would lay destitute, fit only to be gathered and burned like the Ephesians did with their magical books Acts 19:19.
---lee on 11/8/06


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"You really have no evidence to support your contention that there was a sabbath obsevance by Adam, Eve, Noah, or any of the Patriarchs. If they did observe some kind of 7th day rest, we would certain read something about it, but we do not."

lee, I agree. If Moses, the giver of the law, did in fact write the book of Genesis he certainly wouldn't have forgotten to mention the observance of the Sabbath and its laws.
---Kay on 11/8/06


Janus - *All men was instructed to keep the 7'th day cycle day holy*

Did you get this from the lost book of Enoch or was it from Her holiness Ellen White?

You really have no evidence to support your contention that there was a sabbath obsevance by Adam, Eve, Noah, or any of the Patriarchs. If they did observe some kind of 7th day rest, we would certain read something about it, but we do not.
---lee on 11/7/06


Donna .The weekly cycle since paradise did not change.All men was instructed to keep the 7'th day cycle day holy.The Jews was loyal and willing to die for Jesus,the did not "skip" a weekly cycle or accidently slept a whole week away.No calender can do away with the 7 weekly cycle.
---Janus on 11/6/06


"Kay, again I repeat, the plan of Salvation is revealed in the Sanctuary services."

The "sanctuary services" doctrine is not found in the Bible. So how can I study it from the Bible?


"The sanctuary reveals Jesus as the Lamb of God, the sacrifice made for sin. I assure you Jesus as the Lamb of God was not an idea made up by Ellen White"

Gina, the sanctuary doctrine is made up by Ellen G. White.
---Kay on 10/27/06


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It all goes back to the "vision" she had where she grew wings and flew up to Heaven with "Michael"(Christ). There she was taught (by God) that Jesus' blood wasn't good enough for the remission of sins and that the atonement wasn't completed on the cross. The entire sanctuary doctrine is part of the Investigative Judgement doctrine.
---Kay on 10/27/06


SDA's teach that Jesus' work on the cross wasn't good enough so now He is working Himself crazy trying to make an atonement for sin. Your sanctuary doctrine is false and cannot be found in the Bible. Let me repeat the words of Jesus on the cross..."IT IS FINISHED"
---Kay on 10/27/06


Gina, I just caught this phrase, "Sanctuary services" that I've seen you and other SDAs use her frequently.

Exactly what do you mean by this phrase?

BTW Can you or any SDA here deal with my 5 part post and find error in exegesis, translation or hermeneutics?
---JohnT on 10/26/06


"The plan of salvation is revealed in the Sanctuary." EGW's plan of salvation is contrary to Jesus' plan of salvation. // Kay, again I repeat, the plan of Salvation is revealed in the Sanctuary services. Study them in your own Bible and you will be taught this plan. The sanctuary reveals Jesus as the Lamb of God, the sacrifice made for sin. I assure you Jesus as the Lamb of God was not an idea made up by Ellen White; rather, it is well known to Christians of all faiths.
---Gina on 10/25/06


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What criteria do the SDA use to distinguish between what is a ceremonial and moral law? Definitions only please!

Upon what criteria did they develop in determining that the Sabbath commandment which is an observance, is also a moral law?

And where in the Bible is there a distinction made between moral and ceremonial law?
---lee on 10/25/06


"Why would Jesus replace the ceremonial laws when it was to prepare His people for His coming?"

You answered your own question.


".. He has His 10 Moral Laws that He wrote upon our hearts?"

He has more than ten.
---Kay on 10/25/06


"Kay, then EGW's true visions of a Prophetess under rides your visions hahah. U sure its of the Holy Spirit."

I am 100%, based on the Word of God, sure that my vision is directly from the mouth of God.
---Kay on 10/25/06


Do you know how we are to determine whether or not an individual claiming to be a prophet is an actual prophet of God?
(1)A true prophet will never contradict the written Word of God. EGW's teachings are packed with contradictions.
(2)The prophecies of a true prophet will always come to pass. Ellen G. White had so many failed prophecies that you shouldn't even be defending her at all. She has failed God's test of a true prophet.
Deut.18:20-22; Jeremiah 14:14
---Kay on 10/25/06


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"U could have been well taught of the truth had you heeled to the SDAs."

There's hardly anything truthful about SDA doctrine. Its all built upon false visions, man-made ideas, scripture twisting, etc.
---Kay on 10/25/06


"By Reading your posts, I see a lot of error in it as you hitch hike on Lees back following mans teachings sorry dear."

As much as I like Lee, I'm not hitch hiking on his statements. I have my own personal notebooks from the years 1995-2006 packed with SDA teachings. So I already knew the truth prior to knowing Lee. You shouldn't judge me as following man's teaching. I'm not the one placing the thoughts of a false prophet above the Word, dear! :)
---Kay on 10/25/06


"The plan of salvation is revealed in the Sanctuary."

EGW's plan of salvation is contrary to Jesus' plan of salvation.
---Kay on 10/25/06


mmadm Which one of the five posts of yesterday are in error?
---JohnT on 10/24/06


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John T, u also need to study the 2 covenants God gave His people. U and Me, believers. Why would Jesus replace the ceremonial laws when it was to prepare His people for His coming? And by His coming, it has no more use since He became the Sacrificial Lamb of God. Why indeed when He has His 10 Moral Laws that He wrote upon our hearts? we are the more surprised at your persistance of error in the face of truth rather.
---mmadm on 10/24/06


Kay, then EGW's true visions of a Prophetess under rides your visions hahah. U sure its of the Holy Spirit. It could well be the unholy spirit 4 it is roaming around nowadays like a roaring lion ready to devour. U could have been well taught of the truth had you heeled to the SDAs. By Reading your posts, I see a lot of error in it as you hitch hike on Lees back following mans teachings sorry dear.
---mmadm on 10/24/06


"If you study Daniel and Revelation, you will see that this is 100% Biblical."

I have spent years studying Daniel and Revelation. Both are my favorite books of prophecy. Very action packed! But I have never found this SDA teaching anywhere within the pages of these two books.
---Kay on 10/23/06


"God led me to SDA church."
I don't think God would lead you to a church that doesn't teach the truth. Many of the church doctrines are based on the false prophecies of Mrs. White. And according to God, she is a false prophet.
---Kay on 10/23/06


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"Tell me, did you ever study the Sanctuary when you were SDA?"
I've never been a SDA.I've had an SDA try to convert me, but it didn't work.While sweeping my kitchen floor, I received a vision from the Holy Spirit.In the vision, God told me that "the Seventh-Day Adventist church is a cult".That was 12 years ago and I still believe it to this very day.Many of the teachings are very similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses.I'm sorry if I offended you, but I felt like I needed to share that.
---Kay on 10/23/06


5/5 Justification Declares, his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.Rom3:26 (AMEN!)

Nothing other than simple faith is needed; otherwise, Paul would say it.

The Christmas tree is dead. There is no reason for the SDAs to continue in their frivolous, fruitless and false efforts of self-justification when Christ has done it all. There are two alternatives: 1) trust Christ completely or 2) trust insufficient self-effort .
---JohnT on 10/23/06


4/5 Therefore justification is FINAL, and not contingent on anything other than the Atonement. The heretical Investigative Judgment and Sabbath-keeping as so-called means unto righteousness insult the Atonement. We are justified FREELY by the redemption in Christ Jesus, Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past Rom3:24b-25
---JohnT on 10/23/06


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