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Catholic Church Is The True One

Is the Catholic church the one? My mother told me that the Catholic church is the true church. I asked her how she knew and she said that we are not to question, but believe. When the Bishop came to visit our school the nuns told us that we better kiss his ring! I am having second thoughts.

Moderator - What country do you live in that would ask you to kiss a Bishop's ring. Emcee and Ruben give me your ring kissing comments. Thanks.

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Lawrence:-"If the blind lead the blind BOTH will fall in the ditch"Careful whom you team up with.Better to be like Bartimeous."Lord,son of David have mercy on me"Mans interpretation of GOD's word is different to God's true interpretation Seek and YOU WILL find.Many a ship is lost at sea for want of sail or Rudder.Many a man has lost his soul for worshiping
another God of His choice There are no other gods except Me Matt16:13-19
---MIC on 9/3/08


Amen Lawrence ...rcc is based upon fables heathen practices ...a wealthy corrupt political religious system serving god of this world to be destroyed when Christ returns to set up his Kingdom on Earth

it's disturbing layers of deceit this church has dumped on their subjects ...easy to see how they do it when these people readily submit their minds and wills to a flesh and blood man ...otherwise known as brainwashing

if one is "married" to a religious leader then they'll miss out on marriage supper with Christ ...Christ won't be waiting around for your divorce when he returns ... Christ comes for one spotless bride WAITING FOR HIM - HIS spiritual church ...true Christians not "married" to any religous leader
---Rhonda on 9/3/08


R-catholocism is NOT the true one(church). When the man constanine embraced an imposter christianity,devised the r-catholocism(man-made religious org),the light that came to him,2nd Corin 11 v's 14-15 with other scriptures Matt 15 v 9,2nd Corin 4 v 4,John 10 v 1,Matt 22 v's 11-13,Revel 17 v's 4-6 & other scriptures. This was a number of years after God's Church was born on the day of Penetecost,Acts 2 v's 37-40 which Fulfilled Matt 28 v's 19-20.
Because the man constantine did Not want to line up to God's Word,Truth & His Church being born on the day of Pentecost. 2nd Corin 11 v's 14-15 enticed this man constantine to start his own church org.(the first trinity church org) Which idol worship & Is Abomination to Almighty God.
---Lawrence on 9/2/08


..in times gone by they did not have Bibles, could not read, could not afford books, did not have education,.. People died gruesome deaths at a young age in times past (including at least one Queen of England) in order to give you the chance to educate yourself.
---frances008 on 9/1/08

Yes, that is why the RCC is Her wisdom made a mandate to have the Bible read outloud in Church. Not chapters picked by the Priest. Set chapters and verses. This ensured everyone heard the whole Bible. Not verses the Priest could preach on.
The complete Bible is heard every 3 years.

As for gruesome deaths, it was the Queen of England Elisabeth I, beside her dad Henry VIII who gave gruesome deaths to CATHOLICS FOR BEING CATHOLIC!
---Nicole on 9/2/08


Kenny ::Are you still in school? and what school do you attend.Where is this school located.
---MIC on 9/1/08




Emcee, in times gone by they did not have Bibles, could not read, could not afford books, did not have education, did not have internet access, libraries and so on. Do you think this generation will get a free pass for Heaven based on deliberate wilful ignorance? People died gruesome deaths at a young age in times past (including at least one Queen of England) in order to give you the chance to educate yourself.
---frances008 on 9/1/08


Moderator - What country do you live in that would ask you to kiss a Bishop's ring.


This was a tradition of old.
The Ring is a sign of marriage to the Church. The Bishop is the Spouse of the Church.

Kissing the Ring and NOT THE BISHOP (MAN)is like an outward sing of kissing Jesus.

Jesus is the King, spouse of the Church.

Bishops are given a ring at their ordination. The episcopal ring is not a medieval hangover suggesting a liege lord, the episcopal ring is a wedding ring, a sign of the bishops marriage to his people, for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, even to the risk of his life" (94).--Catholic Answers
---Nicole on 9/1/08


The sign of the cross is the sign of "The Christian"Giving Glory" "In the name of the Father ,and of the Son , and of the Holy Spirit.Amen"You quibble over nonsensical things Jesus is THE WORD speak His word,with Reverence giving to Him the respect He Deserves as OUR GOD, as you greet Him with love acknowledging that it was That sign of His cross that brought us OUR Salvation.AMEN
---MIC on 9/1/08


.bruce, the Moderator is right. On an average sized person, the point from the top of the forward to the center of the chest is about 16 inches, and the point from the left breast to the right is another 12 inches. Connect the astericks:
( * )
* * *
---Eloy on 9/1/08


Eloy,
As I described it below I did just what you and the moderator suggest. I stood looking in a mirror with my measuring tape and the measurements do not add up to an upside-down cross. Who was it who said "There is none so blind as those who will not see."

Moderator - Then you are not making the sign properly.
---Bruce5656 on 8/30/08




Kenny, it is good to respect your mother, but it is perfectly ok to question and search if your conscience tells you to.

I am a Catholic and I remain so not because of blind faith like your mother, but due to intense and lengthy study into the scriptures and the early history of our Church. It is probably the only Church that can withstand a full and thorough examination. But do use a decent dictionary, I have seen some led astray for lack of understanding of the English language.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


Kenny, I have several different translations of the Bible in my home and several on-line sites with multiple translations of the Bible (both Catholic and Protestant) to gain a clearer understanding. I have also worked with the Bible in its original languages and in Latin (I have the Latin Vulgate electronically on my computer and available online) - I am not an expert in those languages yet, but I am good with languages in general.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


Frank, there are a lot of good Protestant churches. I believe that most have at least an element of truth in them, and some a fair bit. But I have noticed that those that convert to Catholicism do not despise their former denominations and find it an easy transition once they gain a clearer insight into the Catholic Church. They do not lose what they had, but gain so much more.

Conversely, those who are led out of the Catholic Church tend to become very bitter and hateful of their former Church.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


The Gospel IS STILL GOD'S TRUE WORD Matt16:17-19.make no mistake man interperets. God speaks Once But the truth.
---Emcee on 6/13/07


Catherine, you would not be in a position to kiss the Pope's ring unless you went to visit him. Since you do not believe that he is Christ's annointed representative on earth, I cannot imagine why you would want to see him in any official capacity.

As for myself, if I were to visit the US President, even though I do not know if I respect him personally or not, I would want to know the correct protocols so that I would not offend the country he represents.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


Frank, I already said that Jesus did not hand out any rings, but that does not alter their purpose. As a Catholic, I give honour to the Office because it was instituted by Christ. This is true regardless of the piety of the man. Just as I would respect the protocols for visiting earthly government officials, even if I did not respect them personally.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


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I find it peculiar that because Jesus came to us in humble circumstances many Protestants think that we should be casual and informal in all things. But the Bible clearly says that when Jesus returns it will be in His full glory, not as a humble servant. There is also the parable of the wedding feast found in Matthew 22:2-14.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


Frank P2: Now the wedding clothes mentioned in verse 12 are more of a reference to our spiritual state rather than our physical finery, but how we behave in God's house is representative of our spiritual state, 1 Timothy 3:15.
---lorra8574 on 6/13/07


As for the Protestants and what they do; don't lump everyone together. The vast majority of mainstream Christianity no longer believes in the gospel that is supposed to give all glory and honour to Christ. There is so much strife and confusion in the mainstream that according to scripture it can't be of God. Not everyone believes like them. There are some of us that still cling to a fear of God and a reverence in which Jesus Christ is worthy of all honour. Not man.
Frank3443
---Frank on 6/12/07


The Ring is the seal of Authority.Kissing the ringIs acknowledgement of that Office as when Jesus said I give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven .Surely there are no locks in heaven.Although not practiced in western countries does not detract from the fact this is the significance.In days gone by Mankind was more obedient & humble not so upstart so to speak or Prideful.
---Emcee on 6/12/07


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I do not believe that I would kiss his ring. As far as the church goes, If you are a true believer it is probably as good a church as any. Alot of this stuff has to do with different styles of worship. Have you been bought by the Blood of Christ? That is what really counts.
---catherine on 6/12/07


The sealing of a decree with a ruler's ring is sybolic that the word of God will not change such as the law of the Medes and Persians. That shows the authority of Christ and not man. One decree that will not change is that man should not bow before men as Peter showed with Cornelius. There is no mention of the Lord giving Peter a ring. The keys he received was the anointed word which is able to both heal those who believe and damn those who don't.
Frank3443
---Frank on 6/12/07


Frank, Genesis 41:42 "And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;"

Esther 3:12 shows how documents are sealed with the king's ring.

The Pope and his Bishops are in the service of the King of Kings. While Jesus did not personally give them rings, the rings are symbolic of what Jesus did give to them through the Keys to the Kingdom bestowed upon Peter.
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


Frank P2: The rings worn by the Pope and the Bishops, belong to Christ and any honour given to them belongs to Christ alone, not the man. Protestants have had no difficulty kissing the rings of earthly kings, and giving proper due to presidents and prime ministers. Yet to God's representative you balk.

Somewhere along the way we got casual about God. How many also go to church wearing shorts and a tank top or muscle shirt?
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


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The Catholics claim Peter was their first Pope and therefor example. When Cornelius fell at Peter's feet he said "stand up, I also am a man." When John was taken in the Spirit to heaven he fell at an angel's feet. The angel told him to stand as he was one of the brethren, a disciple. Two witnesses not to kneel before man, much less kiss his ring.
Frank3443
---Frank on 6/12/07


Lee, if you don't like Mr. Keating, then do your own research. But I warn you, many a solid Protestant has done that seeking only the Truth and has come back a Catholic. "to go deep into history is to cease being a Protestant" Cardinal Newman "Conscience, Consensus, and the Development of Doctrine".
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


Lee, the one you want to check up on is John Henry Newman who went from strong Protestant to Roman Catholic - and became a Cardinal (1801-1890 England).

My own father was also born and raised a Protestant and similarly fought his way into the Catholic Church - challenging every doctrine and historical fact he could muster. Because he lost, he won and became a very strong Roman Catholic.
---lorra8574 on 6/12/07


Mod "Make sure that you are making the symbol correctly. Do a search on the net to make sure" I do not genuflect, as I am not RCC. What words do I search under?

Moderator - Upside down cross and Peter should be a start.
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/12/07


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One reason the cathloic is wrong they confess to the priest he has no power to forgive sins who pray tail forgives his sins you pray to Mary she's dead so she can't help you Only Jesus can forgive sin's and he is a jealous God he said he will not share his glory.numbers 20-5 people that are cathloic will hear some one seen mary on a door a tree or a window and they flock to see her you don't call that worshing mary instad of Jesus The pope is so worshiped like a god
---Betty on 8/30/06


emcee, I do not preach myths; but Christ the Rock of truth, he is the only chief cornerstone, and the single only proven founder and foundation and head and the only living Mediator of the true Christian church.
---Eloy on 5/3/06


I have read Karl Keatings book "Catholicism & Fundamentalism" and wrote a critique on Amazon. He makes too many assumptions that cannot be supported by either historical facts or scripture. One being that the early church was Roman catholic, the other that Christ gave some kind of mandate to Peter that was handed downward to the bishops of Rome. Read if you will James White book "The Roman Catholic Controversy".
---lee on 5/3/06


Thomas: Have you ever read anything by a Catholic author? I challenge you to read Karl Keatings "Catholicism and Fundamentalism" Never say never. God Bless
---Tony on 5/2/06


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Billy: I know more of the original languages than my pastor, so I in a similar situation. Yet, I sit amazed at how a godly man can nail the meanings of words w/o exegesis; he can't.

Our church has several Ph.Ds, 4 MDs 2 DDSs and many with Masters, including me. I have learned not to lean on my learning, but to bring it out when asked.

Since I am not giving sermons anymore, I have to let others take the forefront, being a contented servant.
---John_T on 3/23/06


To Billy, Catholic means universal. Maybe they should change their name to the Universal Church. I'm not so sure Rome had the first established church. I wouldn't convert to being catholic under any circumstance.
---Thomas on 3/23/06


Nowhere in the False Traditions quiz, does it say that the Roman Catholic Church is the "whore church" More to the point, neither does the Bible.
---alan_of_uK on 3/23/06


Actually Betty is very close - have you considered the great whore to be ALL false doctrine not just the false doctrine of catholicism? Any doctrine that is not scriptural is false. False teachings make us "feel" good, make us "look" religious, very glamorous on the outside, but are the farthest thing from truth....sounds like a whore to me.
---Stephenie on 3/23/06


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Even the demons believe and tremble so it is really a matter of faith that makes one saved. It is true that on one literary level you can quote the believe passages for salvation issues but those writers are using believe like faith. It is like the word "poor." one can be poor in the OT and have a million dollars since dal is used then and not ani
---Billy on 3/23/06


There was no name for the church for several hundred years and the name "Christian" was not even a self-identifying word believers chose for themselves. It was chosen much like others did for (ana)Baptists since they Baptised like John the Baptist (immersion-again). We need to be careful about name calling lest we...
---Billy on 3/23/06


All Christians are born again. God knows who is sincere. The original church was catholic (with a little c) but changed in doctrine over time until Luther wanted to reform it. Note that Luther did not want to begin a new denomination so the issue of what is the true church denomination can't be answered since God adds those to His church anyway. It is difficult to choose a church when one is not a scholar too so thank God he sees our faith.
---Billy on 3/23/06


Jesus never mentioned the Catholic church..nor the Methodist..nor the Baptist. He made no attempt to "name" His church.
The only way to determine which is the "true" church, is to compare their teachings with Holy Scripture. All churches have meaningless rituals. Yes, the protestant churches too. But if the rituals conflict with the basic truths of the Bible, then that is NOT the true church.
---Donna2277 on 3/23/06


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Betty ... I agree with Petra when she objects to you using that ugly and dirty word "whore" when speaking of the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC has many doctrines and practices which are not supported by the Bible, or are counter to the Bible, but to call the RCC the "whore church" is wrong.
---alan_of_uK on 3/23/06


PART ONE:
Patra,
You say you are a firm believer in Christianity. There are many ways to define Christianity. 99% of the time, it is just a word do describe a religion. The Mormons call themselves "christian" for example.

I suggest that you committ yourself to being a "firm believer" in the Word of God.
---Bruce5656 on 3/23/06


PART TWO:
If you explore it with an open mind, you will find many descrepencies between it and the Catholic version of "Christanity". Some are minor, some are what you might call deal breakers. That is to say, they are critical issues that cannot be reconciled with the Bible and will lead one to a lost eternity.

Remember, one may be sincere but sincerely wrong. Proverbs 16:25, "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
---Bruce5656 on 3/23/06


(Moderator - Patra, take the False Traditions Bible Quiz for what the Bible says because that is the final authority) Where does it say the Bible is the final authority?
---ruben on 3/23/06


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Betty, you are judging the Catholic Church and God alone is the judge. You have no right to use that ugly word for the church. Yes, catholics are not perfect, neither is any church nor are you. Let God be the judge of the Catholic Church. I am a firm believer of Christianity and cry when people forsake their Christian belief and turn their back on God who has done so many things in my life, but I am staunch catholic and you are hurting me because you are hurting my church. Patra.

Moderator - Patra, take the False Traditions Bible Quiz for what the Bible says because that is the final authority.
---Patra on 3/23/06


I was raised Catholic, went to catholic school, but was born again in my early 20's. I know born again Catholics, but have some problems with the RCC, especially that they worship Mary and call her the mother of God, and also that they put priests in Jesus place as mediator...one must go to confession and confess to a priest, Jesus is my mediator, and jesus alone. he opened the way with His death and resurrection. Praise God!
---christina on 3/23/06


There is only one church the one Jesus died for it tells you from .Acts 1 to the last chapter in acts that this is true church. No the Cathloic is called the whore church because of it's false teaching.
---betty on 3/23/06


Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus established HIS church, the CHRISTian church, His Bride, His body. All other theories and statements are false.

Many profiteers misuse the Truth of Christ, perverting doctrines and Scriptures to fleece the seekers of Christ, & to seek their own glory. See Jn 8.
---a_servant on 1/6/06


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Eph 1:22 . . . the church,
23 Which is his body . . .
1Cor 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ . . .

1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house . . .

Rom 8:9 . . . Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

Believers in whom God has put His Holy Spirit, are the only real church, not a building or denomination. Those claiming other than what Scripture expounds, are false, usurpers of God's glory, using ignorance for their own profits.
---a_servant on 1/6/06


Eloy::In spite of your eloquence & insistence the church of Jesus was established By HIM & him alone,under His direction for all time no christians ever had a hand in its institution that is a MYTH. The Father of Liars has seen fit to introduce Multi denominations, which is a ploy of Divide & rule using confusion to confuse the issue. It started in Geneses & continues Good VS Evil.
---Emcee on 1/6/06


ruben, the Christian church is the true church, and not the catholic church, for idolaters are no part of the body of Christ. Any church that worships Jesus Christ only, and as the only Salvation for sin, and follows his N.T.commands only, and believes in the power of the Holy Spirit with signs following is the true Christian church.
---Eloy on 12/28/05


(Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and God Himself. all churches who understand the concept of Jesus being both human and divine belong to the one true church.) Would that include Satan's churches, who was the first to believe that Jesus is the son of the living God. It does not matter if you believe in Saturday worship or even Rapture believes and how about baptism is not important or OSAS believers it does not matter..is that what you are saying? Just believe in Jesus Christ.
---ruben on 12/27/05


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I believe Christian Churches and Churches of Christ are the "true ones". A personal relationship with Christ is the center of your life, and you must pray to Him to have that relationship. I find many problems with the Catholic Church. You must also be baptized upon a confession of faith, not upon birth. Tradition is held so high that it has become idolatry. Simply follow the Bible (Not the Catholic Bible with added books)
---jason08998 on 12/27/05


Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and God Himself. all churches who understand the concept of Jesus being both human and divine belong to the one true church...... He is both Savior and Lord.... all other we leave in God's Soverign' hands... He sees the bigger picture and He alone is able to judge the heart's of men.....
---spirit_one on 12/27/05


(Eloy-the Christian church is the true church. ) If the Catholic Church is not true church which christian church is?
---ruben on 12/27/05


Most Christian denominations retain at least some vestiges of pagan influence. Whether it is worshipping on the "Venerable Day of the Sun," Christmas on December 25th or the occultic belief in the natural immortality of the soul, its source is not the Holy Scriptures, but paganism.
---jerry6593 on 12/27/05


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Born into a Catholic family, now born into God's family, choose this day whom you will serve
---Lynn_Bedford77 on 12/27/05


Kenny: I was raised a catholic and what you have stated is right. My mother had said the same thing: "We are not to question, but believe." I am interested with your reaction if your mother would tell you to kiss a wodden statue of Virgin Mary, crucified Jesus Christ, and the Black Nazarene!
---Linda6546 on 12/27/05


Emcee, I am living in the Philippines which is predominantly a catholic country. The Irish, English, French and Italian priests that I came across with had accepted that there are some practices that my people does that aren't practiced by catholics from other countries. If the one posting this blog is reacting about the idea of kissing the bishop's ring, then I am waiting for her reaction if she is asked to kiss the statues of Virgin Mary, crucified Jesus, and that of the Black Nazarene.
---Linda6546 on 12/27/05


Our salvation comes through the person of Jesus Christ and not through the church. Jesus said."I am the way the truth and the life, and no man cometh to the Father except through me"
---Virgil on 12/26/05


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Kenny, part 3
1Corinthians 15:3,4 Ephesians
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
No matter what denomination a person is, he or she needs to repent and believe in Jesus as his saviour. Jesus payed the penalty for our sins, and we need to accept Jesus' free gift of salvation,through faith.
That is was makes a person a Christian, and part of the body of Christ.
---Ulrika on 12/26/05


part 2
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
---Ulrika on 12/26/05


Kenny, Denomminations are man made.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:8 But God Commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him be saved.
---Ulrika on 12/26/05


M.P. -- I see no one here belittling Mary's role. The Christians I see on here simply have said that she is not a mediator or someone to be prayed to. She was chosen, for sure, but beyond that is where it stops, whereas catholics put WAY too much emphasis on her and treat her as a co-redemptrix which is VERY wrong.
---Debbie on 12/21/05


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Just as Roman Catholics put Mary on a pedestal that I believe she was never intended to be on, Christians should not belittle her role. I believe that Mary was a very special person chosen for a particular role which she did in obedience, just as did Noah, Jonah (eventually) Paul etc. All these people and many more (that we do not read of in the bible) have been chosen by God for specific purposes and from their lives and witness we have learned and gained much. But none of them are to be prayed to.
---M.P. on 12/21/05


Lee:I have lived in an asian country but have never seen or heard what your wife describes neither have I heard it authorised by the Rcc.what some people do under the realm of their own conscience is either out of ignorance or their own belief-- like some one told them but it is not an authorised version of the Rcc teaching.This I know for a fact the catholic church is universal.

Moderator - Emcee, I have traveled the world and local pagan customs of the people are almost always merged into the Catholic traditions.
---Emcee on 12/20/05


My wife was born and raised in an Asian country that is largely Roman Catholic. She tells us how much that is paganism has really become part of their Roman Catholicism - such beliefs that the spirits will be placated if food is left on the doorstep of people that are sick; the belief that unbaptized spirits haunt people; that if you know the name of the mother of the virgin mary, you will be saved no matter what your moral conduct is or will be.
---lee on 12/20/05


Moderator ... will I ever hear you condemning those who accuse the RCC of being satanic?

Moderator - Some elements of the Catholic Church could be considered satanic depending on ones viewpoint. I think few people hold that view. Many would hold the view that some of the Catholic Church's traditions are a combination of Christianity and paganism. If I understood Emcee correctly and he is Catholic, he agrees with that statement also, but he sees nothing wrong with the mixing. Most non-Catholics think mixing Christianity and paganism is wrong.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/20/05


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Moderator::In reply that the Rcc merging with christian & pagan & adopting some of its customs in order to increase its following. What was Jesus's new commandment."Love one another as I have loved You" He also reiterated the fact that I came to save sinners not good men.He strengthened his stand Mark11;V29-33He who has ears to hear let him hear.

Moderator - Therefore, you are in agreement that is what the Catholic Church had done?
---Emcee on 12/20/05


Bruce: You are right.acceptance lies with those of free choice not with those who have fixation. The cross is the symbol of salvation.Reverence the cross.
---Emcee on 12/20/05


Moderator I agree it was probably a mistaken thing for the RCC to do, but not evil and satanic as some would have it.

Moderator - I agree it was very mistaken as many people have been hurt in the process.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/20/05


# 1 Thank you Moderator. OK some of the Catholic practices may contain elements of old paganism which were incorporated into Christianity in order to make the new faith more understandable to those who previously knew nothing of Christ. Now maybe this helped the spread of the Gospel, or maybe not. But what concerns me is that the impression given here is that the RCC deliberately fed lies to their flock and therefore deliberately gave them a non-valid faith.

Moderator - The Catholic Church IMHO would claim with the merging of Christianity and pagan traditions it helped them to win over the 100% pagans. However, I don't see this an acceptable practice according to the scriptures.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/20/05


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alan, that is true, proabably from an anti-Catholic source. However, the author is a real Pretestant pastor, and the question was asked to him by a Catholic priest or whatever they call themselves. All i know is, we are saved by Jesus, through the grace of the Father, and indwelt by His Holy Spirit. If we place anyone before these three, it is wrong. I am very very thankful for Mary and her role in God's wonderful plan, but she was human, just like me.
---mike on 12/20/05


#1 The RCC believes itself to be the TRUE church of Christ. Although most here do not accept that, it is clear that none deny that that is the RCC belief. If the RCC believes that, why should they deliberately use a sign that is pagan, or antiChristian?

Moderator - Many of the Catholic traditions are a combination of Christianity and paganism. It was done in the early years to grow the Catholic church membership.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/20/05


Mike "In our Sunday School book, on next week's lesson, it gives an example of a RCC saying "Why would you want to pray to the Son, when you know the mother is closer to the Father?"" That is taken from your nonCatholic book? So it could be an invention of the anti-catholics.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/19/05


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