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Who Is the Remant

If the remnant is the small portion hidden until the end, how come these big mega churches feel they are the remnant? Money, money, money?

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Lee, on 9/22/06 you referred to Rev 19:10 and said "The testimony of Jesus is really an undefined term except for its use in Rev. 19:10."

Not true. Please see Rev 1:2, 1:9, 12:17 & compare 19:10. And what is the Spirit of Prophecy? 1 Cor 12:1-31, especially verse 10

Rev 12:17 => Rev 19:10 => 1 Cor 12:10 Clear?
---Geoff on 1/16/07


steveng - Pick those teachers or expositors of the Word that can support their interpretations fully on Scripture, historical accounts, or simple common sense.
Those that promote false doctrine find that they really cannot defend their beliefs from reliable sources and find themselves promoting doctrinal views that conflict with Scripture or basic Christian doctrines.
---lee on 9/26/06


lee: Not so. with all the different doctrines of all the different denominations and cults (as shown in Rev 1-3), the contradictory teachings, the many interpretations from different authors and producers that the only one hundred percent proof of anything written in the Bible is of itself (2 Tim. 3:16). Rarely do we find today a person today who is moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21) because most preachers think that the Bible is written symbolically - the reason for so many interpretations.
---Steveng on 9/25/06


steveng - while it really sound lofty to "stick with the Bible", and then proclaim your own interpretation, the wise person follows the teachers that the Lord has given His church. If you were a true student of the word you would realize that those that write the commentaries are usually those that the Lord has called into the teaching ministry of the church.
---lee on 9/24/06


Let's stick with it says in the Bible, not from other opinions from authors, concordances, Christian dictionaries, and other reference materials.
jana: "symbolically, we believers are Jews, or Israelites." There is nothing symbolic about it. christians have NOT replaced the Jews. Christians are grafted into the Jewish line, Romans 2:28-29, John 15:1-6, Rev. 2:9, Rev. 3:9, Esther 8:17. How does God define the Jew?
---Steveng on 9/24/06




Lee brother, the bible says..IT IS WRITTEN..the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY IS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST Rev19:10. How can you so go against what God has expounded to His servants to write. You are going against God and you think your right and God is right...think again brother. Come back into the true fold of the sheep of God. Your wondering in fallow ground.
---jana on 9/24/06


Hey, Lee are you a dentist? ...... Sounds like you struck a nerve.
---Elder on 9/24/06


Lee brother I so am sorry for you, for you blatantly lie on this site that we twist the scriptures to fit our belieff. I will tell you this, our belief is the whole bible and nothing else. we follow it vehemently. just as we do the 10 not 9 commandments of God. You so speak your hatred for sdas so loudly that your begining to become a laughing stock due to your mixed interpretation of the truth. I will keep praying for you.
---jana on 9/24/06


The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy-Rev 19:10

The testimony of Jesus is really an undefined term except for its use in Rev. 19:10. Biblical commentaries state that the testimony of Jesus is basically the proclamation of the truth from and about Jesus. And we see that this truth was indeed proclaimed by the Spirit working through the prophets.
---lee on 9/22/06


Lee you are absolutely wrong. we dont hate Galatians, if we do, then we hate Jesus.Read Mark7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.8For laying aside the commandment of God, he hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups; and many other such like things ye do. 9And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
---jana on 9/22/06




Lee, "the 'teachings' of our Lord" were the entire Bible.

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk 24:27

Q: What is "the testimony of Jesus"?
A: The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy-Rev 19:10

Do you fit the identifying characteristics (Rev 12:17) of God's end-time people when you reject the OT & teach for commandments the doctrine of men? Mk 7:7
---Geoff on 9/22/06


jana - "lee, symbolically, we believers are Jews, or Israelites."
Being spiritual descendents of Abraham does not mean that one has to be under Mosaic laws. We are children of the promise given to Abraham; not children of Hagar the slave woman of the Sinai Covenant.Gal.4
One problem with the SDA is that they scorn the lessons of Galatians and have to twist the scripture to support their view that one must be under the law of Moses esp. Sabbath keeping.
---lee on 9/21/06


simone.. Read Ex31:13-14 surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you thruout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. YOU SHALL KEEP THE SABATH therefore, for it is holy to.u. John14:15 IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS." both in the NT & OT. God didnt leave out the 4th command, man dismissed it by tradition.Read also Isa66:22,-33. OBEY ALL OF GOD'S 10 LAWS. NOT 9 ONLY.
---jana on 9/21/06


lee, symbolically, we believers are Jews, or Israelites. And I will ask those who wants to read the book by Shelly Quinn and Danny Shelton called "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS TWICE REMOVED" to let me know and I will have them mailed 2you all free of charge. They have proven in this book that there are 2 sets of Laws and the one that is done away. Its worth reading 2understand the 2Covenants. Lee,"Where did God command the Sabbath?" 4th command. Remember the Sabbath to keep Holy.
---jana on 9/21/06


Geoff - * Are you saying only SDAs keep the 10 Commandments? *No, simply that when SDA people see the word "commandments", they immediately interpret that word to mean "the 10 Commandments".

Gods end time people are identified as those that keep the 'teachings' of our Lord rather than obedience to Old Covenant law. And the testimony of Jesus (Rev. 19:10) is basically the gospel message.
---lee on 9/21/06


Lee, you said "The teachings of the SDA community interpret the "commandments of God" as being the 10 commandments given to the Jewish nation and thus the remnant would consist only of faithful SDAs; not the church under the New Covenant Law of Christ."
Are you saying only SDAs keep the 10 Commandments? Truth is there are others. God's end time people are clearly identified-Rev 12:17, 19:10. Do you fit the definition?
---Geoff on 9/21/06


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Article #13 Fun Beliefs of SDA states that "the universal church consists of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant is called out to keep the commandments of God and faith in jesus..."

The teachings of the SDA community interpret the "commandments of God" as being the 10 commandments given to the Jewish nation and thus the remnant would consist only of faithful SDAs; not the church under the New Covenant Law of Christ.
---lee on 9/18/06


I would like to apologise and correct my previous statement that we are the remnant church. It should be we are one of the remnant church..We are not the only ones, there others in other folds.
---jana on 9/18/06


jana - *What have you against the 7the Sabbath of God which He commanded us to remember?*

Where did God command US to remember the Sabbath Day?

We read from the Scripture that God commanded the Jewish nation to observe the Sabbath - it was the sign of the Covenant between God and Israel; but nowhere do we read that God commanded US (namely the church) to observe any kind of Sabbath.

Jana you are addressing Christians not Jews.
---lee on 9/17/06


lee our belief is not from literature alone but from the bible itself "Rev12:17,19:10 we keep the ALL commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus/Christ which is/the Spirit/of Prophecy.Isa8:20 if you dont speak according to God, you dont have light. Yes, we believe we are the Remnant of God. Question. What have you against the 7the Sabbath of God which He commanded us to remember?
---jana on 9/16/06


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There is a remnant mentioned in Romans 9:27 which are God's chosen people. 144000 folks mentioned in Revelation 7 were 12000 folks from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
---Rickey on 1/19/06


Peirre: By saying we must keep the commandments--are you referring to the 10? And would that enclude the Sabbath command as in "the 7th day of the week"? So many believe we must keep 9 but the Sabbath somehow falls by the wayside. I don't understand this way of thinking.
---Simone on 1/19/06


The Adventist Church sees itself as the remnant church; from their literature -

"According to the prophecies of the Book of Revelation, the remnant church will -

Honour God as creator (Rev 14:6-7).
Obey Him by keeping His commandments (Rev 12:17; 14:12), and therefore worship Him on the seventh-day Sabbath."

In short, salvation depends upon 7th day sabbath observance; not grace alone thru faith in Christ alone.
---lee on 1/17/06


The concept of a remnant is a trait that characterizes many cults or deviant religious groups.

Usually they claim that they are the only ones that God favors as they are the only ones that obey Him; and quote such verses as REV 22:14-17 to support their contentions.
---lee on 12/20/05


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God offers his salvation to each and every one of us, but it is up to each one of us as an individual whether or not we want to accept him. Many refuse, but i wouldn't judge big mega churches as a whole, as not being a part of his body.
---Eloy on 12/18/05


The remnant are the 144,000 sealed tribes of israel, 12,000 from each tribe, hebrews not the church.
---liz7 on 12/17/05


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YOU CAN BE AMONG THE REMNANT! just respond faithfully and obediently to God's call.
REV 22:14-17 "Blessed are those who do God's
commandments, that they may hav the right to the tree of life, and enter through the gates into the city"
---Pierre on 12/17/05


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In the remnant are the object of Satan's anger Rev 12:17
They are a people of unshakeable integrity Zeph 3:13/Rev 14:1-5 Finally: THE REMNANT ARE THOSE WHO out of love KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS! Rev 12:17
---Pierre on 12/17/05


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Remnant: that which "remains" of the original body or substance. In ref. to God's people: those who remain faithful Isa 1.9 It also id's a people who are aware that they are saved by grace Rom 11:5 The remnant ided as having a deep appreciation of His forgiveness and mercy Micah 7:18-19 TBC
---Pierre on 12/17/05


According to the Bible, the remnant church must "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Rev 12:17) "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (Rev 19:10) So just look for a church which keeps all 10 Commandments and has had a true prophet of God. Remember, "to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them." (Isa 8:20)
---jerry6593 on 12/17/05


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