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Can someone be perfect now that they are Christian? How many are out there without sin?

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(Not speaking about positionally.) We are never perfect in the sense of perfection most think of. However, the Biblical use of the word perfect is somewhat different.

We are to strive for (practical) perfection. That is to be our goal. And it is attainable, but in this age, and in this country, it is very difficult. "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." -Matt. 5:48.
See also: Matt. 19:21, 2 Cor. 7:1, 2 Cor. 13:9-11, James 3:2, & 1John 4:18.
---me on 5/13/08


No Believers is perfect in practice. He is Perfect in His position.
---Janze on 5/13/08


Christ has already come, and he has already offered salvation and conversion to holiness for sinuous mankind; and when he comes again if you are found without sin, then he will receive you up to himself; but if you are found in sin, then you will be left.
---Eloy on 5/12/08


(I.)anonymous, Those who allow Jesus to live through them, by denying self, are [partakers] of His divine nature(2 Peter 1:4), not ALL Christians are partakers of Jesus' Divine Nature,the key words are PARTAKERS OF HIS DIVINE NATURE, some resist It. Jesus/the Word must be [allowed] to live through us, or else one is serving God in vain, and that is very sad. Jesus spoke of good fruits, a good tree can't produce bad fruits, it's not what goes in the mouth that defiles people...
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


(II.)anonymous,....its what comes from [the inside] that defiles many. On the other hand if one is [truly]born-again, walking in the Spirit , what comes from the inside is the sweet purity of God, and will be manifested in ones life, that's Biblical. Jesus says He prefers one be Cold or Hot, but lukewarm is nauseating. We must [abide/continue in] God's sanctifying Word,which is our only safety/assurance/security, any one who disputes that(God's Truth), I REFUSE to listen to them. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07




(Ephesians 5:3-6) 3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient:.....
5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God......for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience."
---Matthew on 2/5/07


This blog title asks:
Are There Perfect Christians

Yes, did you call me? :))
---Caring on 2/5/07


Mima he was the chief of sinners. Before his conversion he was Jesus greatest enemy. He was about to innocently slaughter thousands of Christians. So God blinded Him and gave Him his grace and brought Him to the truth. You can take it as that or you can take it as Paul(not Saul) is the chief of sinners. That would make Him The greatest sinner in the world. Do you think God would use Paul if he was at that time the chief of sinners? I doubt that.
---Matthew on 2/5/07


(1.)Mima, Paul was talking about his [pre]-conversion days, not [post], why would you think he was still the chief of sinners [after] salvation, [after] he was a [prominent] godly advisor of many churches of his day, if what you are saying is true(which it isn't), Paul would be a hypocrite, advising others while still being "the chief of sinners". God said come let us reason together.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


(2.)Mima, Many Christian's have misinterpreted Paul and the Scriptures as a whole when it comes to the topic of sin. The Word must be taken as a whole and Scripture must be compared with Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit always, or else confusion will occur. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07




There is nobody perfect, not one.
---anonymous on 2/5/07


Attn: Mrs. Morgan; The apostle Paul in his fleshly body 14 years after his conversion said."This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief." (First Timothy 1:15 ) Was Paul mistaken??? You decide!!!
---Mima on 2/5/07


(1.)Some Christians believe that one can sin in their body/flesh,Yet still remain clean in [spirit],at best that's dumb, at worse deadly, thats the damnable doctrine of the Nicolaitanes(Rev. 2:6),and Jesus said that He hates that doctrine. The Nicolaitanes didnt believe in God's True Way, [truth] / [holy living],they only had useless works of self, that were not from the Holy Spirit, & they indulged in sin,made a doctrine of [excuses] to justify themselves, like many Christians are today, that ....
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


(2.)...will NEVER work. This is what every child of God has in common that makes it to Heaven by the Grace of God:(Revelation 14:12)(Rev.3:4,8)(Rev.12:11). The Word says DON'T yield your members(body)to unrighteousness(Romans 6:13),because unrighteousness/sin/rebellion=death. The soul that sinneth,it shall die, You cant get more clearer than that. Gods TRUE people abide and continue in His Truth, until the end, only the [faithful] ones will make it, the Word is CLEAR on this.
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


(3.)God gives His people enough of [instruction]in His Word & enough of warnings,people will do with it as they choose,take It or leave It,it's always been that way,But God is not mocked.I have seen some [downgrade] and even completely eliminate the [importance]of godly obedience/abiding in Gods Truth, they have a distorted interpretation of Gods Grace, claim they "study" the Word,but they are deceived(2 Tim. 3:5,7),those that reject godly obedience,will never make it.(Titus 2:11-15).God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/5/07


.tom, you are confusing those not born-again with those whom are born-again. Anyone with two natures is unsaved, for their old innerman of sin still lives, but those of us whom are born-again are completely regenerated and none of the old life remains in us, for all of it has been taken away and nailed to the cross. Those who keep sin are not saved but are condemned, and those who give it up and invite Christ into their heart and life are freed from sin, and converted into the righteousness of Christ.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


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All Christians(born-again believers) are perfect spiritually speaking right now. It is our spirit that has been regenerated not our fleshly bodies. It is for this reason that the apostle Paul had trouble doing what he knew was right.: and we have troubles too.
---Mima on 2/4/07


The revelation of flesh and spirit can only come when Jesus reveals this mystery to each born again believer, "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" This life of Christ in us overcomes the carnal nature of man.
---Tom on 2/4/07


The end result of this Life of Christ in us "That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."
---Tom on 2/4/07


Jesus's teaching of flesh and spirit remains a great mystery, not recognized in the various forms of religion.
"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."
"Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit"

---Tom on 2/4/07


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There are many scriptures that refer to what is corruptible (flesh) and what is incorruptible (spirit) When we are born again we receive an incorruptible seed not a regenerated seed of man. "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Hence the two natures.
---Tom on 2/4/07


Catherine "perfect" Matthew 19:21.Be careful of pushing the childlike thing too far.I know people who remain so childlike that they fit the discription 1 Corinthians 3:1-4.Children don't wonder where things come from they believe(have endless faith)their parents will provide.Being as a child refers to faith,not stature,ability and willingness through and for Christ.We must believe as children but act as wise disciples in Christ.
---Martin on 2/3/07


.tom, after we are born-again we have a new nature, not two natures. Two natures is falsehood, and called double-mindedness and hypocrisy.
---Eloy on 2/2/07


I AM I, I already answered your question: I do right, I do not do sin. Please read Matthew 7:18-20; I John 3:6-10.
---Eloy on 2/2/07


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What does this word perfect== MEAN?---Complete or correct in everything. OFCOURSE complete is the word that catches my eye. I find being perfect is not good. When the devil comes against you with criticisms it can through you for loop. So perfection is not good.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07


SCRIPTURE saids "I choose the weak and the foolish to put the wise and the powerful to shame". ALSO it is written, "you people that depends only on me are precious to me."I want to be precious to GOD.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07


After being born again we have two natures. The carnal nature we receive from the seed of Adam. The spiritual nature is the seed of God. "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven." Perfection is not attained by being good in the flesh. It is attained by the activity of Jesus in us.
---Tom on 2/2/07


(2.)CATHERINE, I agree with you about how being weak(like a innocent child or a "dove")God is able to mold us into what He wants us to be, But I'm not getting your point in regard to being foolish, The Word says that foolishness isn't a good attribute. God is able to use us as we humble ourselves to Him, OBEY His Word like a innocent child, only then can we wax strong [in Him]. Jesus said unless one become as a little innocent child, one will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/2/07


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Answer in John read with 1 John.If Christ lives in us and we in Him,we are supposed to be without sin.While we live in flesh we war against the flesh and sometimes fall.We have a High-Priest an Advocate in Jesus who intercedes for us.Thus we should strive to be holy as God is holy,but not out of our own strength but through Christ who lives in us.Look at ALL texts referring to Christian life and attitudes and note: in,through,by followed by Jesus,Christ or the Holy Spirit. Without Him we can do nothing?
---Martin on 2/2/07


CATHERINE, The question could better be understood if it were asked this way : Can a Christian be perfected through Christ Jesus manifesting Himself [through them], in their lives which is only possible by yielding to the Lord's sanctifying Word/Truth(walking in the Spirit). God says, Yes, in His Word. (John 17:17). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/2/07


(Ephesians 5:27)(2 Timothy 3:16,17).
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/2/07


May I make a point. noone is good. GOD looks down at us and probably shakes His head at us poor humans, who does not know Him.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07


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Catherine, was your post to Eloy or to me? It sounds like it is to Eloy.
---I_AM_I on 2/2/07


If we were perfect would we need Jesus at all ? I will give you the answer to that dumb questian, NO. Man, I need Jesus, because I am weak and I am foolish.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07


Eloy, will you answer the question? Yes or no? Now that you are a born-again Christian, people who are 100% pure according to you, do you still SIN? Yes or no?
---I_AM_I on 2/1/07


I AM I, if you knew who I am and whom has sent me, then you would know whether I do right or whether I do sin.
---Eloy on 2/1/07


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"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."(Matthew 5:48).(Revelation 2:25,26)(Revelation 3:4,10,11,15-22)(Matthew 7:14)(John 6:44)(John 8:31,32)(1 John 3:6,9,10). "...nevertheless I live; yet NOT I, but [CHRIST] liveth IN ME..."(Galatians 2:20).(1 John 2:4,6)(1 Thessalonians 5:22)(2 Corinthians 13:5)(Philippians 4:13). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 2/1/07


No one is PERFECT and to claim to be is FALSE, ROMANS 3:23 establishes this.

LUKE 21:36 "Be always on WATCH, and pray that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

It is by GOD's grace that we are Saved. By placing our Trust in him, by Faith we believe that we will be found righteous to enter into his Heavenly Kingdom.
---DePuTy on 2/1/07


NONE.NONE, NONE. now there are some under no condemnation because they follow jesus,but only he was without sin.scripture tells us all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. ALL
---tom2 on 1/31/07


1/Exzucuh, you are on point generally. However, you are off point on FAITH. Love, which requires WORK, is greater than faith. 1 Cor, 13:13. Read the entire chapter! Also, read chapter 2 of James. Faith without work is DEAD! Moreover, when Jesus said we will do GREATER WORKS than him (the sinless and perfect Jesus, remember), did he mean we will ONLY have faith? NO!!!! How can sinners do GREATER WORKS than the sinless Jesus?
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


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2/Exzucuh

* Little children, let us love in deed and in truth and not merely talk about it.* 1 John 3:18. Faith is not enough!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


Eloy, again, since you are PERFECT as a born-again Christian and you are 100% pure, do you still sin? Yes or no? Nice to see that you realize manifesting THE CHRIST on earth is not a picnic or a walk in the park, or is ONLY based on a belief/faith! I am surprised that you have taken this position, since I have some of your prior posts on WORKS *over* faith!!! Oh, well!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


1/Robyn

YOU WROTE: No one is without sin!!!!!!!!!!!! But we(christians) are perfect in Christ Jesus. He has paid the price for our sins. Only in that sense. Not meaning we are without sins. You need to understood the Christian terms justification, redemption, sanctification and others. You have the wrong idea of the word perfect when it comes to describing a Christian.

Thank you for your honesty.
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


2/Robyn

All have sinned! Rom. 3:23. So, Jesus paid the price for your sins BUT YOU STILL SIN, right? That sounds like semantics to me! I am familiar with Paul*s THEORY of justification by faith. Have you read it and recognize the ASSUMPTIONS he makes? Paul*s theory opposes Jesus* teachings of Christians doing GREATER WORKS and carrying their crosses of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, which leads to PERFECTION!!!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


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3/Robyn

I have provided three (3) definitions of perfection FROM SCRIPTURE in previous posts on this blog. Read them and tell me EXACTLY how I am using the word perfect wrong as you claimed. Prove from Scripture or any where else that I am using the word wrong!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


Observer

Know that I have no affiliation to any ONE THEORY (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, NEW AGE) on the existence of humankind. Do you, and how do you know that your THEORY is correct? You have assumed that it is correct based on many other assumptions that you are FORBIDDEN from questioning, because of the so-called wrath of God, right? Well, God to me is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, among other things!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


2/Observer

I see God as my TEACHER: someone who primarily wants to teach (whether through GRACE or CHASTISEMENT as Scripture CLEARLY states) instead of to PUNISH! Regarding NEW AGE, from what little I know about the movement, some of its teachings are OLDER THAN Judeo-Christian-Islam. Also, I have looked into the NILE VALLEY MYTHS Judeo-Christian-Islam is based on. Therefore, NEW AGE = OLD AGE = OLDER THAN CHRISTIANITY!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


All things are possible to him that beleiveth, I can do all things through Christ that gives me strength, Whatsoever you believe is what you recieve,

If you want to over come it is by Faith.
---exzucuh on 1/31/07


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No one is without sin!!!!!!!!!!!! But we(christians) are perfect in Christ Jesus. He has paid the price for our sins. Only in that sense. Not meaning we are without sins. You need to understood the Christian terms justification, redemption, sanctification and others. You have the wrong idea of the word perfect when it comes to describing a Christian. This is has been the sorce of a lot of confusion down through the years.
Be blessed.
---Robyn on 1/31/07


I am perfected in Christ... positionally... yet, practically - here on this earty - struggle daily with sin. I rejoice in His mercy and grace - that He sees me through His Son, Who is perfect and without sin. "Oh this glorious thought, my sin, not in part but the whole, is nailed to the cross and I bare it no more..."
---daphn8897 on 1/31/07


ELOY: Please back off from this blog.

The protagonists are leading you into a trap because they think they are better than all the rest of us.

They demonstrated that they are New Agers.
They demonstrate no respect for Christ.
They demonstrate contempt for the Cross.
They demonstrate hatred of the Scriptures.

By replying, you feed their delusion of superiority. Therefore, I urge you to flee from unfruitful works of darkness.

No kidding, this time.
---Observer on 1/31/07


I AM I, I do not care what wrong things you think about me, nor that you are believing the falsehoods which are common to all the lost. The natural man and the O.T. law says, Love your friends and hate your enemies; but the supernatural man and the N.T. law says, "Love your enemies too." This indeed is supernatural, for it is above the natural instinct or the unregenerate soul to do. Christ's way indeed is supernatural, and those who live in him and he in us are likewise made supernatural.
---Eloy on 1/31/07


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Eloy, I agree brother. No one can reach perfection while in the body. The only perfect man to walk the face of the earth was Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. (Romans 3:23) "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." (Luke 21:36) "Be always on watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
---DePuTy on 1/31/07


1/Eloy, now I am even more convinced that you do not get this *thing* (Jesus*s spiritual teachings, which you and others call Christianity). Please read Matt. 5:17-48 again and again and again!

YOU WWROTE: The context of being perfect in this chapter is to be supernatural.

First, there is nothing super than the natural. The natural (Nature*s God) is super to people like you who do not understand it (God or the Laws of Nature).
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


2/Eloy

Since PERFECT LOVE (also known as UNCONDITIONAL LOVE!) is supernatural to you, how are Christians PERFECT NOW? Christians are supernatural, right? Is God perfecting us or are we perfected already? According to you people born again of the Holy Spirit *will be truly perfected and Christ-like and also able to love [their] enemies.* These are your words. Do you know what they mean? You honestly believe because you
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


3/Eloy

are DELUDING yourself about being born of the HOLY, HOLY and HOLY Spirit that you are now perfect! What about Paul? Paul gave you 13 of the NT books. Arguably, you are practicing Paul*s Christianity and Paul was not perfect. Therefore, how are you and others claiming to be born again perfect? Wasn*t Paul born again? Didn*t Paul have a mystical experience in which he communicated with Jesus and he was still not perfect?
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


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4/Eloy

Go read you other two scriptures (John 1:12-13 and 2 Cor, 5:17) again that you cited about Christians being 100 % pure. Since Christians cannot sin, let me ask you again, do you sin? Since you are a Christian and you are born again, do you still SIN? Yes or no? Will you answer this simple question? Let us see how honest you are!
---I_AM_I on 1/31/07


There is no such thing as a perfect human (other than Christ) and being a Christian doesn't change that fact. Like the saying goes, Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
---Kay6588 on 1/30/07


Eloy, you are surely in trouble now; the New Agers here agree with you! LOL
---Observer on 1/30/07


I AM I, The context of being perfect in this chapter is to be supernatural. The religious Teachers and Ministers were perfectionistic in professing obedience to the O.T. Law, yet Jesus says that that obedience to the Commandments of God is insufficient according to God's standard. For to be perfect we must exceed the ministry of death and sacrifice and instead be born-again of the Holy Spirit. Then we will be truly perfect and Christlike and also able to love our enemies. Please read Matthew 5:20.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


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I AM I, The context of being perfect in this chapter is to be supernatural. The religious Teachers and Ministers were perfectionistic in professing obedience to the O.T. Law, yet Jesus says that that obedience to the Commandments of God is insufficient according to God's standard. For to be perfect we must exceed the ministry of death and sacrifice and instead be born-again of the Holy Spirit. Then we will be truly perfect and Christlike and also able to love our enemies. Please read Matthew 5:20.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


Eloy, yor are right about *WE.* That is why I cited those later scriptures from John*s 1st letter and CLEARLY show you how they relate to Matt. 5:58 and John 17:22-23. The question is do you deny that these scriptures relate to each other on the point of PERFECTION? Speaking of context, go read Matt. 5:58 and put it in context!!!!!!!!!!
---I_AM_I on 1/30/07


.lisa, yes, keep wondering about the words of truth, and I pray that you wonder right into praying to God, and ask him to come into your life and change you into a real saved and born-again Christian.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


I AM I, Every born-again Christian is 100% pure (John 1:12,13; II Corinthians 5:17). When you get saved from sin, Jesus takes all of it and nails it to the cross, not just some sin but all of it. When his life lives in you you will not sin, but instead you will do well. God Commands us to be perfect. Any who say Christians are sinners, blasphemes, calling Jesus and we saints liars, and does despite to the saving grace of God. Please read Mat.5:48; John 17:10,22,23; Heb.10:14; I Thess.5:23; I John 3:6-10.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


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I have wondered over and over how Eloy can say that Christians are perfect and in return preach that a true Christian can fall away from salvation. How can a perfect Christian fall away if he is perfect. His mind is so confused that he doesn't understand what it is to be in Christ. To him there is no need for Christ now as our Mediator, no need to grow as a Christian as what scripture teaches to reach for the mark. No need for the Holy Spirit to teach us through our walk since he is perfect.
---lisa on 1/30/07


I AM I, You must keep verses in context or you will misconstrue the truth and comprehend a falsehood. And this is one such popular misconception used among the unlearned: The pronoun "we" in I John 1:8,10 refers only to the "we" in verse 6, namely, those who walk in darkness, and it does not refer to any sanctified Christian.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


I AM I, "IF WE say that WE have fellowship with him, AND WALK IN DARKNESS, WE LIE, AND DO NOT THE TRUTH." This is the "WE", and not the "WE SANCTIFIED CHRISTIANS WALKING IN THE LIGHT." Keep verses in context to prevent misconstruing scripture and comprehending falsehood.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


1/Eloy

YOU WROTE: Yes. Every born-again Christian is 100% pure (ie: John 1:12,13; II Corinthians 5:17).

YOU ALSO WROTE: Any who say Christians are sinners, blasphemes, calling Jesus and we saints liars, and does despite to the saving grace of God. Please read Mat.5:48; John 17:10,22,23; Heb.10:14; I Thess.5:23; I John 3:6-10.

Did you only read those verses in John*s 1st letter? How about 1 John 1: 8, 10?
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


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2/Eloy

1 John 1:8: *If we say, We are free of the guilt of sin, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES; the truth is not to be found in us.*


1 John 1:10: * If we say, We have never sinned, we make him a liar and his word finds no place in us.*

How about 1 John 2: 4-5: * The man who claims, I have known him, without keeping his commandments (Love God and each other), is a liar; in such a one there is no truth. But whoever keeps his word, truly has the love of God been made PERFECT in him etc.*
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


3/Eloy

1 John 3:18: * Little children, let us love in deed and in truth and not merely talk about it.*

Let us stay on 1 John and now look at one of the verses you cited: 1 John 3:10: *No one whose actions are unholy belongs to God, NOR ANYONE WHO FAILS TO LOVE HIS BROTHER.*

1 John 4: 7-8: * Beloved, let us love one another because love is of God; EVERYONE who loves is BEGOTTEN of God and has KNOWLEDGE of God. The man without love has nothing of God, for GOD IS LOVE.*
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


4/Eloy

Therefore, a born-again Christian is not pure unless she is carrying her CROSS of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, like Jesus did. This is no different than what I wrote before when I said Jesus LEARNT *obedience by the things which he SUFFERED (e.g., cross of unconditional love); and BEING MADE PERFECT, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEYED him.* Heb. 5:8-9. How do we obey Jesus? Follow his commandments: love God and love each other!
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


5/Eloy

What happens when we follow Jesus* commandments and love God and each other? The answer is in TWO of the other scriptures you cited: Matt. 5:48 and John 17: 22-23. Let us look at Matt. 5:48 first: * Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Father which is in heaven is PERFECT.*

Now let us look at the other scripture: *And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be PERFECT
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


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6/Eloy

John 17:22-23: * in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast LOVED them, as thou hast LOVED me.*

Now I will bring theses scriptures together for you. In Heb. 5:8-9 wherein Jesus SUFFERED unto perfection; in Matt. 5:48 wherein we are to be perfect as God is perfect; and in John 17:22-23 wherein the perfect love (i.e., unconditional love) is ONE in Jesus, God and us, the word PERFECT is the same, and it is the Greek word TELEIOO or its adjective TELEIOS!
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


7/Eloy

Christians must manifest THE CHRIST on earth by, among other things, carry their crosses of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, like Jesus did. At that time, the love of God will be made perfect in them, as it says in 1 John 2:4-5! Read again your verse in 1 John 3:10 and how we are further PERFECTED in love in 1 John 4:7-8! Also, go back and read your other verse cited in Matt. 5:48. Note that the sermon is about the LOVE OF ENEMIES, starting in Matt. 5:43. It ends with PERFECT LOVE in Matt. 5:48!
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


8/Eloy

Sadly, you will ignore all of this and continue to believe that Christians are perfect because of their belief or faith! Therefore, I write this for others. Since you will continue to believe Christians are *perfect* or sinless, how do you explain all of those public figures whose *sins* have been revealed on national television or in newspapers? Some of them head some of the largest congregations and ministries in this country!
---I_AM_I on 1/29/07


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