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JUDE 20 speaks of praying "in the Holy Ghost" Question - How does a person pray in the Holy Ghost? Could it have anything to do with tongues?

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Jean,
Trust the Holy Spirit to Teach you.
There will be a witness...

1 Cor 2
How beautiful...This will be thoughout our whole life time...trusting no matter what...God knows our heart and will bearwitness with us.

In our relationship with God we trust he will teach us of himself,by His Spirit..only he knows...Himself.
Provebs 3:5-7
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart:and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways ACKNOWLEDGE HIM,and he shall direct thy paths...

He promises he will bearwitness with our Spirit.
Why?
Because he loves us.
God's Peace.
---char on 2/5/09


By praying in the Holy Spirit: which may be simply worshiping God as led by the Holy Spirit rather than listening to these false prophets who do not have the Spirit at all.
---catherine on 2/5/09


Speaking in Tongues: 1. Tongues enables our spirits to communicate directly with God above and beyond the power of our minds to understand. 2. Tongues liberates the spirit of God within us. 3. Tongues enables the spirit to take its place of Ascendancy. 4. Tongues is God's provision for catharsis, therefore important to our mental health. 5. Tongues meets our needs for a whole new language for worship, prayer and praise. I certainly hope you understand more.
---catherine on 2/5/09


the spirit make intersession for us paul spoke of praying in the spirit 1 corinthains 14:14 - 16. know is god is ever changing or never changing why would a people say it isnt real or dont want it. i cant understand that really,but i do know this its real its for all kinsman of the earth because its the spirit of promise its inpart what he paid for on calvery. its already paid for we just must recieve it by faith in him and his words and what he paid for. when you pray in the spirit your mind is unfruitful. but you are edified in the inward parts.
---ammon_belcher on 2/4/09


Prayer is Prayer. People think when we pray in the Holy Ghost's name. We uses tongues. No. The Holy Ghost is there to just keep us focus on the prayer we are given to Jesus. If we want to speak in tongues in prayer, we could. But not everything in the Holy Ghost is tongues.
---antoa7855 on 7/8/08




Eloy's words,
"When Jesus Christ is truely inside of you, and you are inside of Jesus..." Jesus Christ incarnated is at the right hand of the Father. He is not inside of you. He had to go away so that the Holy Spirit could endwell the believer, and be "one" in Spirit with Christ. That's why we are "in Christ" If He was inside of you, the doctrine of the RCC would have some truth to it. That they can eat Jesus Christ every Sunday. Not only is He in the right hand of the Father but you cannot eat Him. Only one sacrifice forever. The Holy Spirit of God, the third part of the Trinity endwells believers under the New Covenant. We are in a relationship with Christ through the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/08


Yes this is what it is referring to. To speak in tongues you have to be filled with the Holy Spirit. For this is who is speaking. A lot of people "religions" don't believe in this. This is one part they decided they didn't like and don't practice. Though if they read their bible you are not to add or take away from the word or disbelieve one word of it. They will argue with fleshy comments, thoughts, but they can't argue with the Word.
1 Cor. 12:7-11
14:20-22
14:39-40
Deu. 12:32
Pro. 30:6
Eph. 6:18
2 Tim 2-15
I can go on and on. As in 2 Samuel 22:31 says "...his way is perfect, the word of the Lord is flawless..."
---Crystal on 7/8/08


Sorry, God would not give gifts to be abused, hidden, or to work against his Kingdom. Their purpose is to glorify God. The Bible says we should pray using the mind as well as the tongue, and it says that repetitive prayers should be avoided, and praying should be done in private rooms not in public places. It is to avoid hypocrisy.
---frances008 on 7/7/08


The Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit are the same person, namely, the Spirit of Christ Jesus. First, the Holy Ghost has to be in you before you can pray in the Holy Ghost, otherwise your own spirit is praying and not God's Spirit. Many people confuse the Holy Spirit with the spirit of religion or, the religious spirit is also not the Holy Spirit. Many unsaved ministers pray in the religion spirit, but not in Christ's Spirit, because they have not the Spirit of Christ. When Jesus Christ is truly inside of you and you are inside of Jesus, then when you pray you will pray In and With and From HIS Spirit, that is in the Holy Ghost of Jesus. Please Read- John 14:20+ Romans 8:9.
---Eloy on 7/7/08


Jean, tongues were foreign languages and given as a gift for the evangelization of the world. So that the hearers would understand the Word of God. If there is nobody to witness to, or if you do not know what you are saying because nobody has the gift of interpretation, I am not sure what 'tongues' is meant to prove. If you think in terms of miracles are all good, they are often done by Satan too. By their fruits you will know them. If you go out and evangelize successfully to Spanish people, then you will know that it was really Spanish and from God. If not, it either was not from God, or you did not use it obediently to honour the gift. I think if something is not in your control then it is not of God. God wouldnt give gifts.
---frances008 on 7/6/08




Whenever/if you pray sincerely, you are praying in the Holy Spirit.

If you feel that you usually do not pray "in the spirit" unless you use tongues, you have to get serious about your devotion/relationship.

The Lord also says that we are not to pray in public.
---more_excellent_way on 7/6/08


If a person is to pray in tongues there has to be another person there to interpret what is being said, other wise its not edifing to anyone.
---wayne on 7/6/08


Jude 20 "Praying in the Holy Spirit" If you read Eph. 6:18, this is not a call to some estatic form of prayer, but simply a call to pray consistently in the will and power of the Spirit, as one would pray in the name of Jesus Christ (Rom. 8:26,27). While most Pentacostles would like to imply it is tongues, no where does it explicitly state that. You would have to assume something not there at all. "All born again believers have the Holy Spirit but not many pray in the will of God, but their own will to be done." Verse 20, "building" this passage is so that Christians can build themselves up by the Word of God, through the will of God. (Acts 20:23).
---Mark_V. on 7/6/08


Tongues are one of the gifts, it has nothing to do with praying in the Spirit. If you read the verse before verse 20 you will see it speaks of using natrual instincts. To pray in the spirit is to go against natural instincts, such as praying only for others, or praying only because you love the Father. To go against your flesh, as Yeshua stated: deny yourself pick up your cross and follow Me.
---wayne on 7/6/08


If you read the original languages in which the Scriptures were written, they are not as fuzzy on this issue as some of the english translations make it seem. For instance, that Jude 1:20 passage, the word for "Holy Ghost" is pnuema (transliteration) which can mean the following according to Strong's concordance: "the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides." In conjunction with the word "in" as in "pray IN," the word Spirit could also refer to the Spirit of God/Jesus. However, the word "in" in that case means in a fixed position to the Spirit, as in one's relationship..like in unity.
---DS on 7/4/08


Tongues, are a sign to the unbeliever most people do not believe in tongues until they speak in tongues after you have the gift you believe. Praying in unknown tongues is praying in the Holy Ghost your spirit prays but your understanding is unfruitful it is better to pray like this when you are alone. This is the unknown tongue, Praying or speaking in tongues is for the benefit of people who speak other languages. So they can hear the Gospel
---Exzucuh on 6/6/08


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I went on a 21 days fast. At the end of that fast, I realized that I'm praying in an unknown language, even my six years old son brought to my attention that I am speaking spanish whenever I pray.
It's as if I can't control my tongue.

Please respond.
---Jean on 6/5/08


How to pray in the holy ghost?IT is praying for your self for saying i don't exsist in a good way.talking in tongue means talking to people in a language that don't mean.
---cody on 3/3/08


Pt2
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that comes from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:11-14)
---DoryLory on 6/18/07


contiune receiving the the spirt is different from the gift of togues but it is the same spirit some people recive the holy ghost but they don't get baptize in jesus name and that means they are only half borne you have to have the name of jesus thats when the blood is applied to us and we become part of the bride
---Betty on 12/28/06


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i am glad that there are more spirit filled people that want to know the trueth of the holy spirit and speek not of themselves but of GOD. by speaking in the mighty tongue of GOD, you build a relationship with HIM and HE knows what you need to say when you dont. HE knows you and your every thought. i hope this helps as well GOD bless
---ghost_eagle on 12/28/06


God has aways had a church from acts till now and they received the holy Ghost with the spirt speaking threw them people tend get gilfts mixed up I went and excepted the lord as my savior to or three times i went down a sinner and come up still a sinner but when you repent and you are baptised in Jesus name you receive his spirt some people receive the Holy Ghost before they get baptize some receive the Holy Ghost after they get baptize the only way his blood covers us is when we take on his name
---Betty on 12/27/06


Bernadette: You mention "a royal telephone to God". Is there another telephone line where others can get thru to God when they aren't quite as high up the ladder with this gift of tongues? "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue EDIFIETH HIMSELF" (1Cor. 14:4) .
---irene on 12/27/06


Rev Herb, Please don't telll me that this is true: ***Herb: Maybe that's the reason why you don't believe that God can give a person the gift of tongues because you drink poison and handle snakes***.
---kathr4453 on 12/27/06


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The evidence of having been filled with the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues. Yes, it has everything to do with Speaking in Tongues.Praying in the Holy Ghost is stirring up the Spirit, and is the royal telephone to God (1 Corinth.14:2)
---Bernadette on 12/26/06


Thomas,I attend spiritfilled church, we operate GIFT of tongues during service as in ICor14; Paul here is referring to church setting,not all speaking in tongues at once/Cor14;14'For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful'.The GIFT of tongues is used in church setting, praying in tongues is praying in the Holy Ghost.. have you received the Holy Ghost you believed?Acts19(2&6)"the Holy Ghost came on them;& they spake with tongues and prophesied".
---karin on 3/20/06


Karen, tongues is just one of the gifts and different people have different gifts. Do all speak in tongues, do all interpret, What church do you attend?
---Thomas on 3/17/06


Lupe. I don't mean to be a bother to you my brother in the Lord. But you say no one spoke in tongues in the turn of the century as they do today? Where you there to totally verify a statement like that? I've read lots of messages by great preachers in the 1800's that spoke wonderfully of that gift that they persoanlly used and taught to their people. Sure there is abuse but there are abusive people in every aspect of the faith. That is not a reason to fear or neglect the gift.

Moderator - John is correct because I have also read pre-20th century sermons of the 9 spiritual gifts in use.
---john on 2/26/06


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3. Before the century began no one was speaking in tongues as it is done today. The comments that were stated are correct, that when someone speaks in front of others, we cannot know if they come from God or not. Could be the devil ready to steal from God's word. People become prideful as the Pharasees did. We need to be careful as Christians and not get caught up in everything that is presented to us by others. That is why I agreed with brother Fred on his statement.
---Lupe2618 on 2/26/06


2. God is not our disciple, we are His. It seems to me that by God giving anyone who ask for them would be a wrong thing to do. Many Christians are prejudice in many areas. And if the gift of tongues was given to them they would use them for wrong purposes, since God knows their heart He makes sure who gets them and the reason behind it. In the Corithian church this was a very bad thing that was happening. They use the gift for selfish reasons. They emphazise it more then God's word.
---Lupe2618 on 2/26/06


John, before you get carried away as many do, I did not say that some could not speak in tongues. I gave reference to what was quoted in Scripture. You mentioned 1 Cor.14, well that is the passages that I quoted. I don't think you understand that I meant, not spoken of tongues after that. The gifts of the Lord are dispense by His will, to whomever He wants to use in a certain case for His own reasons. What is happening today is, they order God to do something and God responds at someone's command.
---Lupe2618 on 2/26/06


Will God use or give a gift to an unwilling vessel? YES!! As proof I'll offer the life of Paul. Praying in the holy ghost can be done in the spirit(tongues) and also with understanding(in your native language).
---mima on 2/25/06


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Lupe. You say there is no evidence of Paul speaking in tongues? Not So. In l Cor. 14:18 Paul himself said that he thanked God that he spoke in tongues more than all the others. Do you also throw away the other gifts like, giving and faith? Why throw some away and not the others? They were all given to build the body of Christ until His return. Do not neglect them.
---john on 2/25/06


Elder..
Speaking in tongues has nothing to do with salvation. I am just curious as to those who think God gave speaking in tongues to the disciples and then took them away (those who say they aren't for today) as to what other gifts they think God has given that isn't for today.
---wes on 2/25/06


1 Cor 13:18:10
. the Torrey Bible Guide says in its notes:
1Co 13:10
When that which is perfect is come, then the partial knowledge and prophecy will be done away. The imperfect will give way to the perfect; the perishable to the enduring. "The perfect" was expected at the coming of Christ. Some think that it came when the church was fully matured, since the special gifts then ceased. If there is a reference to this, the final and complete reference is to the glorified church.
---sam on 2/25/06


5. My pastor who speaks in tongues when he prays explained this verses to me and he does not allow what happened in Corinthians to happen at his church. He is a teacher of the Word and makes certain that there is order and that no counterfeits began to enter the church. In many cases he says, tongues become more important then learning God's Word, and the enemy can steal from God's Word.
---Lupe2618a on 2/25/06


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4. tongue-speaking. He actually had more occasions to use the true gift than all of them (though)we have no record of a specific instance). He knew the true gift and had used it properly. It is interesting, however, that the New Testament makes no mention of Paul's actually exercising that gift. The problem now confronts our church. It is the same problem that existed then in Corinthians. Many Counterfeit tongues. Speaking in the Spirit means that we as Christians do pray in the Spirit.
---Lupe2618 on 2/25/06


3. the foolishness and pointlessness of speaking in ecstatic gibberish. The speaker could not understand, and what virtue is there in praying to God or praising God without understanding? No one can "Amen" such nonsense. In 14:18 Paul emphasized that by writing all of this, he was not condemning genuine tongues (plural); nor, as some may have thought to accuse him, was he envious of a gift he did not posses. At that point, he stopped speaking hypothetically about counterfeit
---Lupe2618 on 2/25/06


2. This section makes an undeniable case for the fact that the true gift of tongues was never some unintelligible gibberish, but was human language that was to be translated (v.13). In 14:12, Again Paul returned to the issue of edification, central to all gifts (12:7). From 14_17, Paul continues to speak sarcastically (v.16, 4:8-10) about Counterfeit tongues, so he used the singular "tongue" which refers to the fake gift. He was speaking hypothetically to illustrate
---Lupe2618a on 2/25/06


Fred, I believe what you stated "1/5/ is correct. In the message of Paul in the Scripture that Bruce brought up, 1 Cor. if read from the beginning of chapter 14, Paul simply points up the obvious; the purpose of every language is to communicate, not to impress and certainly not to confuse. as the Corinthians had been doing with their counterfeits. That was clearly the point in the first instance of tongues; Each heard the apostles speak in his own language (Acts 2:6, verse 8).
---Lupe2618 on 2/25/06


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RebeccaD.. I TOTALLY agree with you.Its usually the non-speakers that knock "tongues", because they DONT understand. Jesus will only come through an open door, a receptive heart, a willing vessell.He wants to give,but many dont want/willing to receive;once Jesus fills you, and one starts a spiritual walk, life is NEVER the same.To argue, debate is fruitless, receive and then one will have new insight and reconsider...bless you..
---karin on 2/25/06


Karin, Herb won't speak in tongues because he doesn't believe in this gift. And God will not give a person a gift that they don't understand and don't want. He hasn't asked because he has no knowledge of this he only knows what he has seen is of the devil. It is a shame though, God has alot to offer to anyone but yet no one is willing to accept it.
---Rebecca_D on 2/24/06


Rev(?) Herb. Tongues may not be for you today, but if/ when you speak in tongues , your whole outlook , attitude, christian life WILL change & you will eat your words. Have you ever ASKED Jesus to fill YOU with His Holy Spirit? God won't force anything on you, this is the Comforter Jesus speaks about in John 14 ..JUDE.20..yes..every bit...Speaking in tongues is confirmation Holy Spirit now DWELLS inside you..Jesus had to go, so Holy Spirit could come( John16;7)...Ask, seek, knock...for revelation..
---karin on 2/24/06


I personally think that the perfection that is to come when all these things will cease will be when Jesus comes again to take us all to inhabit the new earth. The new earth will be perfect as described in Revelation, no tears, no sickness etc. There will no need of these other things then, so they can cease.
---emg on 1/10/06


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Wes, you still didn't answer my question.
Knowledge in that passage is the "supernatural" ability to receive revelation from God that becomes Scripture. If it is not then the Golden Tablets of Joseph Smith could be correct. The JWs could be correct if this is not so.
Plus, Jesus had been on earth and Resurrected 30 years before Paul wrote I Cor so "that which is perfect" is not referring to Him.
---Elder on 1/9/06


Herb: Maybe that's the reason why you don't believe that God can give a person the gift of tongues because you drink poison and handle snakes. I think you need to pray for an understanding on this matter. Because your not being taught where ever you go to church at. Do you skip the book of Acts? if you don't believe that speaking in tongues is from God then how can you believe in God at all.
---Rebecca_D on 1/9/06


Receiving tongues with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost requires ; believing God enough to seek , trusting God enough to receive ,obeying God enough to use .For one must surrender themselves completely to the Infilling of the HG with tongues because the HG is a gentleman and will never force anyone to do something they don't accept openly . Also one must be ready to give their will over to God's to be used by Him . Praying in the Spirit is praying with that anointing where the HG prays through you .
---Darlene_1 on 1/9/06


Let's not forget, Satan uses signs in the latter days! II Thessalonians 2:9
Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. II Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.
---Fred_S. on 1/9/06


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Fred, there are certain liberties that people take in interpretation for their own opinion. But to attempt to teach others a doctrine that is loosly woven together is risky.
---mike on 1/9/06


Whether it has to do with tongues or not depends upon the ability of the person praying. If he or she has the gift of tongues it could certainly include tongues. Whether or not it involves tongues is irrelevent. The point is that prayer is no different than talking to yourself, if not praying in the Spirit. If you are not in the Spirit, but in the flesh.... your prayers are pointless.
---RICHARD on 1/9/06


Tongues was/is much more than just a sign.
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


1Cor.12:7. The manifestation of Spiritual gifts is given to all to profit all.
---john on 1/8/06


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1Cor.14:6 Greater is he that prophecieth than he that speketh with an unknown tongue except there be an interpreter that the Church may receive edification. Prophecy and tongues are for the edification of the Church. Not just the unbeliever. That's what it says doesn't it?
---john on 1/8/06


Tongues were a sign to the unbelieving Jew. Not to the Gentiles
---Rev_Herb on 1/8/06


From what I understand, perfect means complete in 1Corinthians 13:10. I also understand that prophesy is complete in the Bible, and it is the best place to find prophesy. It has not all come to pass yet.

coach, John wrote Revelation, not Paul.
---Ulrika on 1/8/06


Fred S., Tongues were actual languages. Acts 2:4-11
---Ulrika on 1/8/06


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So you are saying we cannot replace "that which is perfect" with "JESUS"???? JESUS is the ONLY word that CAN replace "that which is perfect" in any context.....

By replacing"that which is perfect"with JESUS,you are doing the same as replacing "one whom JESUS loved" with John ,......they are one in the same.
LOVE JESUS
---co_ach on 1/8/06


If you insert Jesus into that passage, you have a problem, because it is in the nuter gender in the Greek, meaning something, not someone.
---Rev_Herb on 1/8/06


Herb, ...Now if we insert JESUS into the scripture where perfect is ...that would mean when JESUS returns and reigns we will no longer need prophesy or knowledge and will all speak one language (for we will be as HE is ...perfect).
TO ME that fits the scripture in the context it was intended!!!
LOVE JESUS
---co_ach on 1/7/06


Herb, ...So as soon as the Bible was completed all tongues, prophesy and knowledge stopped? Just when(what year) did the Bible(as you know it) come into existance????Was it the moment paul wrote amen at the end of Rev.?Or was it hundreds or years later when all the books were put together?? Also if tongues means languages,wouldn``t English have ceased also!!
LOVE JESUS
---co_ach on 1/7/06


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rev. herb. That which is perfect hasn't come. Just read a little farther and it explains what it is . It's Jesus. When we meet Him face to face. Then the gifts will cease. That's when the body is complete. Until then the gifts are for building the body. Also, our spiritual battle continues until Jesus comes again according to Eph.6. We have two offensive weapons , the word of God and praying in the spirit. Don't lay your weapon aside.
---john on 1/7/06


Part 2
The reason tongues and prophesy will disappear when Jesus comes, is because the church will be made perfect, and will not need these spiritual gifts. That time hasn't come yet.
---wes on 1/6/06


Elder...I am just trying to find out what else Herb thinks has gone away. Herb..You mention 1 Corinthians 13:8...it also mentions knowledge and prophecy...neither of those have gone away either. That which is perfect is referring to Jesus. He already came the first time when 1 Corinthians was written, so it is talking about the second coming! When Jesus comes the second times these things will disappear, but not now, at least not in spirit filled churches.
---wes on 1/6/06


Wes please explain what tongues/languages has to do with the permanence of Salvation?
---Elder on 1/6/06


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1Cor 13:8-10

10 But when that which is perfect (BIBLE) is come, then that which is in part shall be done away
---Rev_Herb on 1/6/06


Mike, Part 5:
People have seen many scriptures fit together that gives them a picture. The reality is that they are seeing part of the picture, but missing the whole tapestry that the "entire Bible" paints. Many have literally not been able to see the forest for the trees. They have been taught that it is one way or the other so long, that they dont have an "aerial view" of the entire forest.
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


Mike, Part 4:
This same great cherub is also described as being "on the holy mountain of God." In the Bible, "hills" and "mountains" are often used to symbolize governments (Revelation 17:9-10). Apparently this superangel administered and assisted in the governance of other angels, who number in multiple millions (Daniel 7:9-10). Understand yet Mike?
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


Mike, Part 3:
Many other scriptures say that God "dwells between the cherubim," showing that these creatures accompany and serve Him at His seat of power (1 Samuel 4:4; 2 Samuel 6:2; 2 Kings 19:15; 1 Chronicles 13:6; Psalm 80:1; Isaiah 37:16). This being apparently held a position of honor and distinction in God's angelic realm.
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


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Mike, Part 2:
The being God addressed through Ez. is called the "cherub who covers," indicating that once he had been one of the great angels depicted in the model of God's throne. God gave these angels the awesome distinction of serving at and covering the very throne of God.
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


Mike, Ez 28:14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers."
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" (Isaiah 14:12). On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone, while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7, NIV). When God names "son" it means you are at the head of the class. Notice "son of morning" and morning stars...
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


If GOD is never changing, and HE is the same yeterday, today, forever, then why would tongues only be for early christians. GOD gives all gifts as HE desires so man can and will draw closer to HIM and his fellow man.
---Bruce on 1/6/06


Patr 2:
"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should what pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according the to will of God."Romans 8:26,27.
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


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In my opinion (I'm entitled), I think a lot of people have a mindset that "speaking in tongues" as an actual "language". In reality, the Holy spirit gives us an "UTTERANCE" and/or groan or moan.
---Fred_S. on 1/6/06


The gifts and callings are without repentance. They are for the building of the Body of Christ. Until that body is completed the gifts will remain.
---john on 1/6/06


Herb...where do you get in the Bible that tongues is a temporary gift? Do you think the same about salvation?
---wes on 1/6/06




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