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Can I Be A Fairy Godmother

A friend has asked me to be a godmother to her child but I myself have not been christened. Is this allowed?

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Godmother and especially godfather means nothing, unless your in the mob.
---J on 10/21/07


Enjoyed the cultural lesson, Alan of U.K. I would like to be over there drinking about 7 cups of tea right now. It's a shame we had that revolution, but I suppose it was time to leave the nest.
---Rachel on 9/29/06


Why Rob, do you say you would like to see "EVEN a black president"? John ... since most Presidents have been WASPS, (White Anglo Saxon Persons) and most of them came from the UK, it is not surprising that they have English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish descent!
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/3/06


I know that most of the Presidents were from Great Briton, and that's good but I would like to see a Jewish or Italian or even a black President. I wouldn't even mind a woman President. Look at Margret Thatcher, she was an effective leader.
---Bob on 1/12/06


Sorry, but I have to add one more interesting note. I found this in an encyclopedia once. Most of the Presidents of The United States of America were and are of English or Welsh decent. President Bush is Welsh.
---John on 1/10/06




Yes Alan, its off the original subject, but I was following the most recent blogs.
---NVBarbara on 1/9/06


nvB I am sure you are right that many countries dislike the US... join the club!!
Muslim countries have some logic to their hatred of the West generally, because as they see it, we support Israel in her occupation of what they see to be their lands. There is much that could be said about that ... but it is too far away from the subject of this particular blog !!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


Alan, I firmly believe that MANY other countries dislike the US. We are "the great Satan" to many Moslem countries, its not a comfortable position.

Your PM was with us when we went into Iraq, for that we are thankful. My own heritage through both my parents dates back to Britain, I'm proud of that.

My son was chosen to spend time at Oxford while in college, he loved getting back to his 'roots,'his father is Welsh. He feels more well rounded after his experiences.
---NVBarbara on 1/9/06


John .. I am pleased you do not resent the British. I am pleased also that although you have been critical of how some people in this country so some things, you have not tried to stop me talking about them.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


I never heard of any of my friends or even their other friends who resent the British. We have a long history together, some of it not friendly but now we work together. We can learn alot from each other. The British are our greatest ally.
---John on 1/9/06




Thanks for all your answers. I guess I was feeling unloved as a Country. We should all stick together especially in these evil times.
---Linda on 1/9/06


I don't believe that this is a vain tradition as such. When members of my family would travel, especially abroad, when our children were small, each would file a paper with their lawyers as to whom they wanted their children to live with if something should happen to them. Not much different.
---NVBarbara on 1/9/06


Linda I am sure that Alan will answer you later today also but my answer to your question is NO but nor are we in awe of Americans either. I am wondering what it was that prompted you to ask. I would imagine that all countries have a number of people who dislike certain other nationalities but we should never generalize such things. It is said that the Scottish hate the English, the English hate the Welsh and the Welsh hate everyone except the Welsh but all that is far from true.
---M.A. on 1/9/06


Linda ... # 3 I think thst there are those in America who resent the British because of our longer history, and perhaps America has a new, small but crucial, dependance on British support in the Iraq situation.
I'm not sure what your enquiry had to do with the subject under discussion in this blog, but as you asked, I have answered as best as I can.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


Linda ... # 2 In the case of the feelings of some British people, there is probably a feeling of resentment that the US has become a more influential and richer country than the UK. There may also be the illogical resentment that the US actions saved Europe in WW2, in the same way that the French resent both Britain & the US because we freed them from German occupation.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


Linda ... # 1 I will give a longer answer to your question. The answer is "No" the majority of British people do not disdain Americans. There is a minority of them who do, in the same way as there is a minority of people (mainly the less intelligent) in any country who disdain people from any other country.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


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Did God set up the "Thanksgiving" tradition?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


Yes Bruce I am a member of the Church of England, but baptrism or dedication of a child is carried out by many denominations here, and at these services the parents promise to bring their child towards Christ. There are also those special friends who promise the same... call them godparents or whatever. I am surprised that there are so many here who say that is wrong.
---alan8869_of_Uy on 1/9/06


Linda ... the answer to that is "No"
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/9/06


Mike,
Alan makes a good case in what he wrote. If you think that he did not have anything to say, it is likely because you did not take the time to even read it through as evidenced by your question "Are you Catholic?" Alan is clearly speaking of the Chruch of England (Anglican) not the Roman Catholic Church.
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


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PART ONE:
Jim,
The Matt 15 and Mark 7 passages are Jesus telling the Jews involved that they have mad a mockery of the law by picking and choosing the ones they will or will not observe or by making up ways to sidestep their responsibilities under the law. In this case it had to do with the long term care of an elderly parent.
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


PART TWO:
This they were required to do but they made up a law that if they gave the parent some money (often simply a token amount) they could wash their hands of the parents care.

The Col passage is contrasting the traditions of the world with that of the church.

So, you said: It actually says that God hates tradition! Matt and Mark passages indicate that God hates HYPROCISY, not tradition.
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


PART THREE:
And the Col passage indicates that God hates WORDLY philosophies and traditions that are presented as REPLACEMENTS for the gospel.

Now it may well be true that many who participate in the god-parent thing may not even be Christians and have no intention of helping to bring a child up in the fear of God. Does that mean that no Christian should participate in such a practice?
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


PART FOUR:
It would not take very much imagination to list numbers of traditions that are present in real Christian churches but are also practiced in churches that are Christian in name only. (I see 1st Cliff has enumerated some already) Does that mean that we Christians should not have anything to do with any of them?
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


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Alan, Please don't take this the wrong way because I mean nothing disrespectful, but is it true that the majority of people from England, disdain American's?
---Linda on 1/8/06


How did we get to this godparent tradition anyway? Any born again believer knows it is just a tradition. Why are some here trying to make something big out of this, like God created the office of godparent. I'm tired of this nonsence!
---Peter on 1/8/06


Alan, Your many words don't impress or convince me. I can't speak for John but he probably feels the same way. You write much but say little. Are you catholic?.
---Mike on 1/8/06


Bruce, read Matt. 15: 2,3&6 Mark 7:3,5 & 13
Col 2: 8. I believe that there are other scriptures leading to this in the old testiment. I will do research.
---Jim on 1/8/06


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Jim, just where is it that "God says He hates traditions?"
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/06


There is some Biblical basis for the role of godparent. It says that older women are to teach younger women, and older men are to teach younger men. Other than the birth parents, who better but someone who has promised in front of loved ones to do that.
---Madison on 1/8/06


Sure,jump all over a tradition because it's "man made"? One needs to remove the rafter from his own eye first! The church building,cathederal,temple,steeple,pews,hymn books all "man made" none of which was commanded by God! Nowhere in scripture did God say to build a church or synagogue,man thought it was a "good idea"
---1st_cliff on 1/8/06


Thanks moderator. I thought it might be something different in U.S. because many have mentioned promising to bring up the children themselves if the real parents die. This is not one of the promises made in Church of England Christenings as far as I am aware although there is a similar legal agreement that can be drawn up by friends or relatives for such an eventuality. It almost sounds as if in U.S. you have combined two things.
---M.A. on 1/8/06


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Mike & John ... # 6 I suppose it would perhaps be better if the title was changed to, say, "sponsor", because some may think incorrectly that the term "godparent" is an attempt to give them a degree of religious stature. But it is not ... these are plain ordinary folk, with the same duty of evangelism as any others, with the added joyful responsibility towards one particualer child.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


Mike & John ... # 5 The same thing has happened to a couple who came just to get a "church wedding" but are now committed.
Now this has gone along way from the question of "godparent" but I am trying to explain the cpontext, in the UK, of that function, and that it is not just a cynical secular term. OK God recognises the term godparent no more that he would recognise the word welcomer, but He does recognise the functions.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


Mike & John ... # 4 The counter argument to that is that by doing these things for the whole community does give us opportunity for outreach to non_Christian families. And indeed, we have recently had a family who came have just to have the child christened, who were then led by God to attend regularly and the couple has recently made a declaration of faith, and their own promises as adults
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


Mike & John ... # 3 it would be great if we could say that we would only baptise or dedicate children of parents who are church members aand proper Christians. But we do have a difficulty in the UK that the Church of England and it is the established church which means that people who live in the parish are able to demand that we marry, baptise & bury them.
Many of us wish that this Establishment was terminated, then we would be able to be a church providing such things just for the members.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


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Mike & John ... # 2 Now in many cases (sadly I would suggest) the "christening" is only a social thing for the family and all the promises are made lightly with no intention of keeping them. In fact, I was once very saddened to hear a godfather say as he left the church after the service where he had made those promises "Thank God that's over" .
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


Mike & John ... # 1 the Moderator's comment "It's not a church thing in the US. Anyone can have a godparent" may explain your hostility to what I say. In the UK, (and the Mod does say we have a place on these blogs) it is not a non-church thing. Godparents (some call them "sponsors" ... others might call them "mentors in the faith") make those Christian promises. The title does not matter.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


Lynn ... is it really a vain tradition to have some friends who take a promise before God to help you bring your child to Christ?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


No disrespect meant here at all but I also welcome opinions from all over the world. The only trouble I have with that is sometimes people try and infect us with stupid traditions,
read the Bible. It actually says that God hates tradition!
---Jim on 1/8/06


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Who cares what religions have this tradition of god parents. The important thing is that we all lift up each other in the Kingdom of God. Are you seeing now the trouble these MAN made traditions bring? If the term was in the Bible, there would be no trouble here. I don't like the title anyway and this is probably part of the problem. Think about it, GOD's name in the name or a god in the name!
---Mike on 1/8/06


When I was a practicing catholic I had godparents but I got nothing from them but some money once and awhile, that's it! There was nothing about keeping me in Jesus or even church. Maybe in Europe it's a big thing but here in the United States it means nothing. The term is not even in the Bible anyway. So what's the big argument here? I think Alan of UK started it. Now he's changing his story. We should all be an encouragement in the Lord. I'm not being a wise guy here, it's just what I honestly see!
---Peter on 1/8/06


John ... how did I attack Al?
Al ... what false accusations?
And why do you think that opinion and fact from countries other than the US should be silenced?
Incidently I am not a Catholic, and am not passionate about godparents. I am just saying there is a place for people to promise to guide children to Christ, and why not call them godparents?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


John Al & Mike ... again please read what I have written. I do not claim that God recognises the title of godparent any more than he recognises the title of chief fire officer. But he would surely welcome the job that either do? In the case of what some call godparent, it involves nurturing the child and bringing him towards Christ. I expect in your church you have people who do the same, but the name is different.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


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Moderator ... may I ask if CN is an international Christian site? Do you welcome opinion from people with different views?

Moderator - Yes and yes.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/8/06


Vain traditions of man should stay "vain traditions of man"..
---Lynn on 1/8/06


Exepiscopalian, we christened, also Baptist, Methodist churches do also. It's basically parents saying this child will be brought up in a Christian home, child is named in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, water sprinkled on the forehead. Godparents are to take the child is something happens to the parents and promises to rear the child in a Christian home also.
---Nellah on 1/8/06


Some of you seem to think that Godparents only exist in the Catholic Church. Perhaps that is so in US. but here in UK we have them in the Church of England also (Episcopalian I think you call them). Check them out, you might find they have them in US also. C. of E. is a church I left a long time ago. I do not recollect being taught anything that was considered any more serious than a mental exercise. What I was taught might have been true but the way it was taught was bad and not helpful.

Moderator - It's not a church thing in the US. Anyone can have a godparent.
---M.A. on 1/8/06


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Moderator, you said to me, "What most people don't know is that you are speaking the truth because that is a typical day on the blogs." (1/6/06.) I do know and understand some because I have received mail with some of the same content in it from disgruntled bloggers. I have been praying since the year 2000 that you folks would get a button to push that would burn PCs down when you have to edit some of the ugly things said.

Moderator - :)
---Elder on 1/7/06


Thanks, Barbara, I really appreciate the wardrobe offer but I've decided to wear a cape.
---John on 1/7/06


Now that the catholic church is being brought up, I have a lot to say against it. Too much here to really discuss but I'm so glad I am no longer a catholic! By the time you waid through all the dung, the truth is hard to find.
---Ralph on 1/7/06


Alan, why don't you leave your traditions on your side of the pond. When I was a Catholic we had godparents and believe me most of them were very disappointing. I don't like bad memories coming back up. Drop it!
---Mike on 1/7/06


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Alan, I know I have been on here awhile and I never gave you a hard time but what's right is right. Al said nothing out of line. I know you must be passionate about godparents, that's obvious, but to attack Al like that shows imaturity no matter how old you are. Your point is really pointless. If you want to label someone as a godparent than that's your choice but in this Country a Christian takes no stock in it. It's just a name that is used mainly by the catholic church here in the USA.
---John on 1/7/06


God didn't create false religion either. Pour scorn? give us a break here Alan. God does not recognize the title of godparent! That's what's this is all about, right? If someone wants to take responsibility for nurturing a child in the Lord, great and I incourage that But please don't play that bleeding heart violin with us. Your making an argument where there should not be one. Drop it, it's not edifying to have you spouting FALSE acusations!
---Al on 1/7/06


I have a wand I can loan you John, as well as as Tierra! I'll need pictures though!
---NVBarbara on 1/7/06


This is a practice in the Catholic church. When I was still in the RCC I was "godmother" to my sister's children. I promised to bring them up in the faith if something should happen to my sister and her husband. As it happened, before all the children were grown, we had all left the RCC.
---NVBarbara on 1/7/06


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In CofE a child usually (but not always) has 3 Godparents. A boy often has 2 Godfathers and 1 Godmother and a girl has 2 Godmothers and 1 Godfather who make promises 'before God' that they will help in the Christian upbringing of the child. The child's own parents can also be their Godparents - mine were plus an aunt. None of my family were Christians and my aunt didn't go to church AT ALL. None of them were responsible in any way for my becoming a Christian and none were particularly pleased when I did.
---M.A. on 1/7/06


Al ... it seems to me that you are the one trying to make a dispute of it. If you took the care to read my blogs you would see that in cases of real and committed baptism or dedication, the god parent promises what I stated. Please do not pour scorn on what they do. I wonder of God would recognise the title of moderator of blogs? He certainly did not create it. It is still valid, and I expect God will hope we all do our jobs, secular and spiritual properly.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/7/06


The term godmother or godfather carries no weight in the kingdom of God. It's something man made up. I couldn't become a fairy godfather/godmother though. I like how the moderator put it. It is a fairytale term. I don't have a wand!
---John on 1/7/06


I don't know how exactly it works in the United Kingdom, but here in the US most people who become godparents don't bring their godchildren to Christ. They just give them gifts and if a godchild's parents dies sometimes, if arranged in advance, they take care of them. Really, like I said God doesn't recognize the title of godparent. If you would like to carry this further and make a dispute out of it I can.
---Al on 1/7/06


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Well the title sure made me take a look at the question, I thought it was very eye catching and cute. Some of the titles are great, like 'Are Men Beasts', then you get into the question and it definitly wasn't what I thought it would be. At least we know our moderator has a sense of humor. :)
---bethie on 1/7/06


Do you really think, Al, that God does not care that there are those who promise to pray daily for a child and to bring it to know Christ?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/7/06


The Moderators title may be just a way to have people look at the subject at hand. After spending time editing, making posts readable and sifting through the hate mail and unprintable words it is a wonder that the staff still has the ability to say anything that doesn't offend someone.
I read the questions not the titles. Let's give the staff here a break they have never done anything but try to help people.

Moderator - Elder, you are cracking me up :) What most people don't know is that you are speaking the truth because that is a typical day on the blogs as moderator.
---Elder on 1/6/06


Alan, I didn't mean it meant nothing to the people involved. I meant that it really was meaningless in God's eyes. There is nothing in God's word that says that we should have Godparents. They are just not needed. I know it's hard to tell in writing but I meant no disrespect.
---Al on 1/6/06


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Mod ... I realise that you made an error on account of what you were watching! However my first comment here, hoping you were not mocking the idea of godparents, shows that I was near to being offended by the title given to the question. Some readers think that the title of the question is provided by the questioner, and occasionally, the title you give changes the question, and consequently people then answer the question in the title and not the one that was actually asked.

Moderator - I was just be silly. Please nobody take offense. Please refer to Barbara's comment below.
---alan8869_of_Uy on 1/6/06


Thank you for acknowledging my post. Personaly, I think that since you ARE posting here, there should be a (peer) accountability for what is said. If any of us were to post something innappropritate publicly, others would have a chance to state their opinions publicly as well.

I feel that you have as much right as the rest of us to state what you want about any subject as a post or addendum but the type of editorializing demonstrated with the title of this post is innappropriate.

Moderator - Bruce, Barbara's comment sums up things properly. Please read below.
---Bruce5656 on 1/6/06


Moderator,
Am I being censored now, or is my response to your title of this question one of those resonses that got lost in cyberspace?

Moderator - I thought your comment was intend for me; not the bloggers? Many people write various comments to the moderator to express a view in a private manner. That is why it wasn't posted.
---Bruce5656 on 1/5/06


Read the question Al, our Moderator was in one of his/her moods when this was posted. Only the heading says "Fairy Godmother", not the question. Ya' got us again Mod!

Moderator - I got it confused with the newest Humor Blog :)
---NVBarbara on 1/5/06


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Al ... You are wrong to say it means nothing. It means a lot to those god aprents who make those promises to lead the child towards Christ. It means a lot to the child's parents who know they have some other adults taking a permanent role on doing that. And it means a lot (maybe Life) to the child.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/5/06


Hey Mod---I thought a "fairy godmother" would be found in fables and not the Bible....I don't watch Shriek though.
---Peter on 1/5/06


Becky, I don't know how old you are but there is no such thing as a Fairy Godmother. This is a term used in Fairytales. As far as being someones god mother, it really means nothing. It's a term made up by man. It's used alot amongst catholics.
---Al on 1/5/06


Moderator ... with MP, I do not understand why you have titled the question as you have. In many true Christian denominations, the godparents make promises before God to do all they can to bring the child to Christ. I hope the reference to fairies was not an attempt to mock those promises?

Moderator - Was just watching Shrek II and saw a fairy godmother. Better stop watching movies :)
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/5/06


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J ... you are wrong. Godparents promise before God, and before the congregation, to ensure that the child is brought up in a Christian fashion, to pray for him, and to teach him about God and Christ.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/5/06


MP ... I think that technically you are correct that in the Anglican church, god-parents are supposed to be themselves baptised (we prefer that word to christened) But in most cases, the pastor will probably allow anyone who is a practising saved Christian. My own church would allow a real Christian from another denomination (who therefore would not have an Anglican baptism) to be a godparent.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/5/06


First things first dear Becky. Forget this thing of being christened and seek to know that you are Saved by the Blood of Christ. Jesus is the Saviour nothing or no one else.
---Elder on 1/5/06


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