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Pharaoh Stop Hardening Of Heart

The bible says in EXODUS 4:21 that GOD harden Pharaoh's heart. Question; could Pharaoh's will power have prevented this "hardening" from happening?

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Pharoah, because of the unholy spirit of wickedness dwelling in his heart, "willed" himself to rebel against God's authority over him. Today one might say God made pharoah very, very angry or that pharoah was highly perturbed by what God did.

So as not to offend anyone here, I put it in euphemistical terms; but. you know what I mean.

Of course, God did nothing short of being God (Righteous). Pharoah (being full of pride & thinking himself to be god) was the one way out of line.
---Leon on 12/30/07


before God hardened Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh hardened his own heart.
---shira on 3/14/07


God does not harden the heart of believers Eloy, He helps the believer through his walk until he is glorified. He will harden the hearts of the lost. If God hardened the heart of believers He would be working against us and not for us. He prays for us and makes sure we follow His ways by giving us instructions and directions. Pharaoh was not saved and God knew his heart already. Remember, it was for the purpose of God that he was even in the spot he was in. God made that very clear.
---Lupe2618 on 1/23/06


It is our choice. The way God hardens our hearts is from our own obstinance. When God says "I am ruler over you, bow to me!", but we in stubborn selfishness say "No!", then we are withstanding against God's goodness, and the result for not humbling ourselves in submission to him, is stiff-necked separation from him and hardness of heart and bitterness of soul. Trials and tribulations should soften us to seek God's mercy, rather than dis God in bitterness. Please read Hebrews 3:7-13.
---Eloy on 1/22/06


John 3:1-(14-21). In the scriptural sense, how can one be a Christian [Christlike] unless they first repented while lost or after "backsliding" [II Cor.3:6]. We're born sinners by default, & must repent to be "saved, born again, or Filled with Echad/Gods Holy Spirit". Denominations, labels or rituals will not make one a Christian, *"...the demons believe & tremble" [Jn.4:23-26, *James 2:19].
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/22/06




I believe brother Bob you missed my point. The Christian can repent and does when he sins. A lost person cannot repent unless he is saved. He cannot repent while dead. If he is able to repent, he has been born again and can see and feel Christ in his life. While dead, he remains dead spiritually to the things of God so he doesn't repent because he loves what he does and follows the prince of the air.
---Lupe2618 on 1/22/06


I Peter 2:1-(8)-20 is referring to 'disobedient Jews' [Rom.11{1-36], who were less wicked than pagan gentiles, and not a people til Echad/God made them who they are/were. Salvation is simple, a free gift from Echad/God paid for in Blood. Why make some believe they can't repent? Two thieves on Calvary with Christ, one repented, one did'nt! More choices!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/21/06


I never said the wicked or anyone makes decisions for God, or came close to insinuating anything of the sort. I don't know whose blogs you're reading. The question of Pharaoah repenting has been given the usual spin by some. I don't try to change the word(s) of Echad/God, just give my opinion as others here do. Moses, Hezekiah among others did change God's mind, as did the people of Nineveh. It's still about choices we make or don't make no matter how many verses are used!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/21/06


3. unto the beast, until the word of God should be accomplished," Rev. 17:17. In regard to those that perish Paul says, "God sendeth them a WORKING OF ERROR, that they should believe in a LIE" 2 Thess. 2:11. Scripture clearly shows who is in control brother and there is no denying the power and Omnipotence of God. That man can overrule Him, is impossible.
---Lupe2618 on 1/17/06


2. ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ," Jude 4. "But these, as creatures without reason, BORN MERE ANIMALS TO BE TAKEN AND DISTROYED, railing in matters whereof they are ignorant, shall in their destroying surely be destroyed," 2 Peter 2:12. Pharaoh was one of them. Now listen to who is in control, "For God did put in their heart to do His mind, and to come to one mind, and to give their kingdom
---Lupe2618 on 1/17/06




Hello Bob, thanks for your answer. Yes we do make decisions all the time. But the ones that wicked, don't make them for God. Christ is siad to be to the wicked, "A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence; for they stumble at the word, been disobedient; "WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED" 1 Peter 2:8. " For there are certain men crept in Privily, even they who were of old WRITTEN OF BEFOREHAND to this condemanation,
---Lupe2618 on 1/17/06


No matter anyone's analysis', everyone has or made choices about their future, knowingly or unknowingly at some point in their lives, including the Pharaoh of The Exodus [Deut.28:1 > wherever, Jn.3:14-21, Rom.10:8-13, Heb.11:23-26].
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/15/06


5. When a person is a new creation, he is because God made him a new creation. He does not make himself a new creation. The Holy Spirit gives life and without it that person remains making decisions but never for God, for he follows the god of this world, the prince of the air, Satan. God does not make them bad, they are born with that nature.
---Lupe2618 on 1/14/06


4. for his own actions. We can do two things, we can take God's involvement in peoples lifes' or we can read Scripture with God involve. Bob seems to think that because man has a free will God cannot do something. While fallen man do have a free will, their will is to do evil all the time. Their choices are not for God for they are seperated from the things of God. Without the light coming to darkness, darkness remains dark.
---Lupe2618 on 1/14/06


3 Now this two actions of God and Pharaoh can only be resolved by accepting the record, what is read in God's Word as it stands and by taking refuge in the Omnscience and Omnipotence of the God who planned and brought about His deliverance of Israel from Egypt, and in so doing also judged Pharaoh's sinfulness. God did not make Pharaoh a bad person, he was already. God knew that. All God did was losen His hold on him and allow him to fall even further. Did God force him? no, he was responsible
---Lupe2618 on 1/14/06


2. Ten times (4:21; 7:3; 9:12; 10:1, 20,27; 11:10; 14:4,8,17) the historical record notes specifically that God hardened the king's heart, and ten times (7:13,14,22; 8:15,19,32; 9:7, 34,35; 13:15) the record indicates the king hardened his own heart. The Apostle Paul used this hardening as an example of God's inscrutable will and absolute power to intervene as He chooses, yet obviously never without loss of personal responsibility for actions taken.
---Lupe2618 on 1/14/06


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Brother Mike, I believe your statements are correct. The Lord's personal and direct involvement in the affairs of men so that His purposes might be done is revealed as God informed Moses what would take place. Pharaoh was also warned that his own refusal would bring judgement on him (v.23). Previously Moses had been told that God was certain of Pharaoh's refusal(3:19). This interplay between God's hardening and Paraoh's hardening his heart must be kept in balance.
---Lupe2618 on 1/14/06


First time I've heard someone turn a noun/pronoun name of the plurallity of The God Of Abraham, Of Isaac, & Of Jacob [Israel] into mere integers. By your reasoning, the same can be said of The GodHead & Trinity of The Brith Chadasha/New Testament. Is YWH/Tsidkednu the same as Jehovah/Tsidkenu, YWH/Shalom the same as Jehovah/Shalom etc? Are the seven spirits of Revelations seven diferent Spirits? I'll believe who Echad/God said He is "I Am That I Am"!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/12/06


echad is a numeral. And i will agree that we don't agree in the case of pharaoh. Peace.
---mike on 1/11/06


Romans 9:14-23, II Peter 3:9: Echad/God simply "raised"/put a unrepentent mean man over Egypt & made him meaner for His glory. Ever hear of Darius, Nebuchadnezzar, or Belshazzar?
---Bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/11/06


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Echad is God "The United One" of Deut.6:4, we as Christians know Him as The Trinity & The GodHead [John 1:1-'18', I Cor.12:4(Spirit), 5(Lord), 6(God), Col.2:8-10 & other scriptures]. Adam & Eve like all "blood washed born again" people are "former" sinners. Echad/God always gives everyone choices/chances despite His foreknowledge/predestination [Gen.18:16-33, 19:1-24, Rom.1:18-28]. Moses was Pharaoh's option/choice.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/11/06


For the Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
(Romans 9:17)

IN 99.9% of cases, I think the individual does have the option to repent and follow God, but I just don't feel like this is the case with pharaoh.
---mike on 1/11/06


who is Echad? never heard that.
---mike on 1/11/06


I'll try to rest my case & hopefully what I'm trying to say by using Nineveh as a classic example of man's choice/will & Echad's/God's plans etc. Nineveh repented of their wrong doings & were spared by Echad/God, yet some years later were still destroyed. You, myself, and countless others could have chosen/willed to reject Echad's/God's gift of salvation, would that have changed salvation's plan? Despite our sin nature's, we still have choices [Rom.7:15-25]!
---Bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/11/06


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Can man's will power overcome a key element in God's unsearchable plan? - don't think so.
---mike on 1/10/06


True, some people are "pre-ordained" for certain purposes, good & bad. Still like Adam & Eve til people today, everyone was created with a free will to choose the good from the evil [Echad/God already knowing what they will do, as he told Abraham]. But the option is/was always there for them. Messias/Jesus forgave everyone from Calvary [Pontius Pilot included], some repent, others don't. But the choice was always there from Cain to Ananias & Sapphira.
---Bob6749_[Elishama] on 1/9/06


No, I don't think so, God said Pharaoh was created for this purpose, that His power might be manifest - Similar to the blind man in the new tesatament - Jesus said that he was not blind because of sin, but so that the healing of him would make Jesus manifest in power as the True and Living God. Peace
---mike on 1/9/06


Pharaoh no doubt had chances in his life to [repent] "unharden" his heart. By not doing so Echad/God evidently gave Pharoah over to a reprobate mind. Repentance became impossible then. Echad/God knows the hearts of men using, setting aside/ordaining them for his glory. Remember Judas Ischariot, or how Egypt was blessed because of Joseph's reforms & The Abrahamic Covenant? "offences must come, but woe to the man by whom they come".
---Bob_[Elishama] on 1/9/06


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Yes, if Pharaoh had been wise and had listened to God and had obeyed God the "HARDENING PROCESS" could have been stopped! P.
---Pierre on 1/9/06


God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Ex 7:3, 13, 22, 9:12, 10:1, 20, 27, 11:10.

2 Chr 20:6 O LORD God . . . none is able to withstand thee?
Rom 9:19 . . . For who hath resisted his will?

There is a reason God is called "Almighty". No one's will can override God's will. Not angels, not demons, not man.

Ex 9:16 . . . I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power . . .

God used Pharaoh like a puppet.
---a_servant on 1/8/06


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