Is Freemasonry Bad Or Good
What about freemasonry? GOOD OR BAD just a word here that you may not know, many Baptist pastors are masons.
Moderator - What makes you think Baptist pastors are masons? That would be a bad joke.
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I used to be a mason. Then I got saved an realized that the two, freemasonry and Christianity are not compatible at all. A freemason prays to The Great Architect of the Universe. Who is He? It is definitely not Jesus Christ. Jesus is excluded entirely from any reference at all, therefore it must be a bad thing. The deception is very subtle, but before you realized it you have denied Christ. |
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---Corrie on 5/25/08 |
Warwick ... I'm glad McDonalds is not a sect. I need them sometimes, not for their horrid food or their scalding coffee, but for their loos, which are often the only decent ones in some European cities. |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/8/08 |
Alan yes I suppose 'organization' needs some qualification. I don't suppose we should include McDonalds in this. It's bad enough that they feed unhealthy food to the unsuspecting or uncaring.
I was thinking of people or organizations, those into beliefs and lifestyles like the Masonic Lodge and other cults. |
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---Warwick on 5/7/08 |
Warwick ... I agree with you, IF the Masons portray themselves as a religious body,
and then propose that belief in the Great Architect is sufficient,
But I'm not sure about your remarks about all other organisations.
The Fire Police or Ambulance Services don't "point people to Jesus as the only way to heaven"
Would you say they are anti-Christian? |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08 |
Alan my belief, formed from Scripture, is that any person or organization which fails to point people to Jesus as the only way to heaven is doing its part in condemning them to hell.I don't see the lodge as neutral but in failing to tell the truth it's opposing the truth,becoming a substiturte for the truth.
I've asked here if the Lodge teaches Jesus as the only way and received no answer. I think that is because they cannot answer yes, as their literature says otherwise. |
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---Warwick on 5/7/08 |
Warwick ... But I don't think Masonry is anti-anything. It just says there is this divine super-God, (the great Architect) and it's up to anyone to beleive in whatever manifestation you may imagine.
They are not against Christianit or Hindhuism, so I would say they are not "anti"
But of couse Jesus said "Who is not for me is against me", so I see the why you call masonry anti_Christian. |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08 |
Warwick ... When I type "a" in the "Your First name" box, my logging name "alan of UK" appears in the drop-down box.
But if I press th forard button without going down to the drop-down, it just leaves it as "a"
Most people here realise, I think, that "a" is just that silly ole Alan again making his usual hash of things |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08 |
Warwick ... I think it is just that we have slihtly fifferent interpretions of the word "anti-Christian"
I would say for example that Christianity is anti-Hinduism because we say we are right therefore Hindu is wrong.
And I would say Hindu is anti-Christian because they say they are right and Christianity is wrong. |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08 |
Freemasons are demonic, and therefore of the devil, of Lucifer. It is BAD, and any Baptist pastor in it should repent and get out immediately. George Washington joined merely because he was an officer in the army and that was required of him, however he attended about three meetings and then quit. |
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---frances008 on 5/6/08 |
alan of the UK is right.Free Masons are neither Christians or not.A no.of Christians do belong to the Masons who do a lot of good work with children's hospitals.They are strongly encouraged to do a good deed daily so they are into good works. |
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---shirley on 5/6/08 |
Alan it is you! Why the A, a typo?
I get your point.
The point I was endeavouring to make was that some try to paint the Masonic Lodge as a Christian organization, which it isn't.
You are right they give no top billing to Jesus as we as Christians do.
I do think it is anti-Christian because it does not teach that Jesus is the only way to salvation, promoting a different belief which is contrary to Scripture. |
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---Warwick on 5/6/08 |
There are many aims of Freemasonry/the New World Order. Under the facade of doing good works, the Freemasons major aim is to bring the whole world to worship Lucifer. If anyone is in Freemasonry and does not know that Lucifer is the God at the top, they are into something they have no knowledge of and need to get informed. Albert Pike is the most important person to begin the search with. |
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---frances008 on 5/6/08 |
Warwick ... "a" is me!!
The point I was seeking to make make is that the Masons do not teach anything at all about being saved, and so don't claim to have a gospel |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/6/08 |
Warwick ... .
Our Gospel is to them an irrelavance, although they say it is OK to beleive it if you want to, but to them it has no more validity than beleiving in say the Hindu gods.
Because all these various religious beleifs are equally valid ways of recognising their Great Architect of the Universe.
So I don't think it is anti-Christian just non-Christian. neither is it anti-Hindu or anti-Sikh.el |
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---alan_of_UK on 5/6/08 |
A, I disagree as Jesus' name is the only name by which anyone can be saved. If the lodge teaches otherwise then it is anti-Christian, teaching 'another Gospel'
It is quite obvious why Chip, or none other, has been prepared to answer my question-because they know the lodge does not teach Jesus is the only way.
Likewise no one has been prepared to explain who Jabulon is! |
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---Warwick on 5/4/08 |
Chris - " As a Mason I would like to know how you people think we are evil considering the Shriners who run a free hospital for kids are masons and masons as a whole donate millions of dollars a year to charitable causes"
You are correct that Masons do many "good" things. But atheists & agnostics also do many good things.
"Christian goodness" is determined by the motivation of one's actions which is evidenced in WHO those actions honor. |
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---AG on 5/4/08 |
Warwick ..'does the Masonic Lodge teach that faith in the finished work of Jesus, God the Son, is the only way to salvation?'
That's not the problem ... I belong to a club that shows films in OldFolks homes, and we don't make any declaration of faith
The problem with Masonry is that they have some sort of overiding universal god Archetict aof the Universe" and just says "You can beleive that finished work of Jesus is the only way to salvation if you like, but it's not important" |
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---a on 4/27/08 |
Chip for the third time --'does the Masonic Lodge teach that faith in the finished work of Jesus, God the Son, is the only way to salvation?'
Also who is Jahbulon?
If you don't answer that I believe is strong evidence you cannot give a yes answer. Over to you. |
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---Warwick on 4/27/08 |
Either we are in a war against Evil, or we just lie down and die, putting away our swords, and giving the earth to Satan. Anne Boleyn gave her life on the block in order to stop the Satanists from having England four hundred plus years ago. Francis Walsingham died a pauper putting all his money into the fight against Papists. He even tortured people. He was the one who saved England for forty years during Elizabeth 1's reign. We should thank God for such people. Sometimes fire is fought with fire. |
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---frances008 on 4/26/08 |
A good warrior does not worry about his own life. He looks at the General and sees that , win or lose, that particular General is worth fighting for. And perhaps, in order to win, you lose your life. |
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---frances008 on 4/26/08 |
Fran_Which one? Can't hav it 2 ways.
God is in Control and can handle it Or as YOU said "Get Rid" of them all off the face of the Earth, ect. ect.
"GETTING RID OF THEM ALL" AS YOU PUT IT, MEANS kill them?
These statements Show THAT the Love of God is NOT in you, Your Murderous Hatred(Anger) shows your TRUE colors!
She's one of the Very people She's been Warning us About!
YOUR CRAZIER THAN I EVER THOUGHT!
Gods Children should rebuke this kinda stuff! |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/26/08 |
Read my post again DDM. In the past God decided that those who dealt in the occult, divination and magic should be executed. The early church saw the dangers and continued the practise but they used it to kill innocent women. It was just practise for killing Christians later on. It is not God's will that humans be sacrificed in wars or in witches coverns. Those responsible need to be removed from office, and so do those judges etc who are protecting them. |
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---frances008 on 4/26/08 |
God will do things his way not the way the Satanists plan. Read Isa 5, read Revelations. Read 2 Thess. We are to expose and oppose Satan. DDM you sound like you are on their side. You sound like they SHOULD continue to torture children and adults alike. It is 'God's' will to you. No, you are wrong. God's will is that people turn from Satanism and obtain Eternal Life. Just because it has been foreseen, Armageddon and the releasing of many demons, does that means God wants it. No. |
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---frances008 on 4/26/08 |
He gives people free choice and he knows which people will abuse it, in advance. He knows who is going to Hell. My job is to warn people that if they help Satan they go to Hell too. It is every Christian's job. |
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---frances008 on 4/26/08 |
It is not whether we are going to win or lose that matters. Sun Tzu would say you can be safe by deciding which is the strongest team and joining that team. What matters is whether you are on the good team, the one whom Jesus is coming to bring to Victory in the Last Days. It might be hard for those Christians who end up fighting on the wrong team. IF you can see, you might be able to help the opposition a bit. Like those who helped Jews secretly. Yes, we may have to get our hands dirty in wartime. |
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---frances008 on 4/26/08 |
The Beast WILL rise,GOD SAYS SO, WHO are you to think you CAN change GODS WILL, God had this stuff planned from the Beginning, NOW you and Others ARE going to try and CHANGE IT!
GOOD LUCK, CHANGING GODS WILL!
You'll be on a wild goose chase UNTIL the End, What a waste of time.
You dare bump heads with God and HIS plans?
NOT 1 place in the Bible does it tell us to try & stop What has been written, And that's EXACTLY what your trying to do, WHEATHER you realize that or Not. |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/26/08 |
Fran_Which one? Can't hav it 2 ways.
God is in Control and can handle it Or as YOU said "Get Rid" of them all off the face of the Earth, ect. ect.
"GETTING RID OF THEM ALL" AS YOU PUT IT, MEANS kill them?
These statements Show THAT the Love of God is NOT in you, Your Murderous Hatred(Anger) shows your TRUE colors!
She's one of the Very people She's been Warning us About!
YOUR CRAZIER THAN I EVER THOUGHT!
Gods Children should rebuke this kinda stuff! |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/26/08 |
What we do is we expose the Jesuits who are always in control. Then we get rid of them off the face of the earth. We ban them from country after country until they have nowhere to plot from. It has been done twice or three times before. This time we never let them come back. The Illuminati will then have their power base cut off from under them. We do not HAVE to do anything because God has it all in hand. There are some unlikely helpers all over the world ready to do anything for world peace. |
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---frances008 on 4/25/08 |
Chip ... The accusation is there on the web, if you just google the name.
What you will see explains a lot. |
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---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08 |
That's the sign given for the college football team, The Texas LONGHORN'S.
God says to seek the things that pertain to him, Not, the things of this world.
Fran_For the Sake of Argument, Let's say your right, NOW what?
According to you Most of the World Leaders are following the Satanist Masons!
So, Are we to revolt, stop paying taxes to "the ruling Families" of Amer. ect.?
Once you've Enlightened Everyone,
WHAT exactly ARE you purposing Everyone to DO? |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/24/08 |
But Chip the question was -'Chip,does the Masonic Lodge teach that faith in the finished work of Jesus, God the Son, is the only way to salvation?'
Chip does the Masonic Lodge teach that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation.
Also who is Jahbulon? |
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---Warwick on 4/24/08 |
frances008, Freemasons worship Baphomet. That is a name for Satan. Jenna Bush is shown giving the horned salute. So make your own conclusions.
---frances008 on 4/24/08
That is just so silly. Where did you get "that name for satan"? You say you don't talk to masons but you claim to know what masons worship?? |
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---Chip on 4/24/08 |
I heard on youtube, two Satanists saying that many Satanists do not believe in Satan, they are merely adversaries of Christianity. They reject all gods, God, spirituality, and any supernatural phenomenon. But there are many kinds of Satanists, apparently. Also, they would, of course, be full of lies, not having, or believing in moral codes of any kind. Freemasons worship Baphomet. That is a name for Satan. Jenna Bush is shown giving the horned salute. So make your own conclusions. |
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---frances008 on 4/24/08 |
Chip, you are charging down a hill, I won't oppose you, but rather let you go to your own destruction. |
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---frances008 on 4/24/08 |
frances008,
Why do you continue with something that you know nothing about?? I am not "defending" masonry, I am answering truthfully about what I know to be facts. You are the one praising, giving credit & glory to satan. I am using the Bible to show that satan is nothing but an angel that sinned & will be cast into the lake of fire. |
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---Chip on 4/24/08 |
Warwick,
Yes, the 3rd degree is the Son of God, symbolically, raising you from the dead by the "strong paw of the Lion of the tribe of Judah". That is way we say that we were "raised" as a master mason on what ever day you did your master degee. |
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---Chip on 4/24/08 |
Don't expect Satanists to admit to being Satanists, though, of course, some are proud of it. However, most will deny it. The power of the devil is in the fact that people do not know who his worshippers are. So Emcee, don't be misled. Freemasons, whether they know it or not, their organization is demonic. They plot against the non-masons. |
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---frances008 on 4/24/08 |
Chip,does the Masonic Lodge teach that faith in the finished work of Jesus, God the Son, is the only way to salvation? |
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---Warwick on 4/23/08 |
Emcee, You are welcome. No specifics, other than the God you must believe in is the Creator, the Father of Jesus. |
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---Chip on 4/23/08 |
Chip:Thank you :"no dogma or Doctrine Just believe in God "No specifics!! |
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---Emcee on 4/23/08 |
Emcee,
No doctrine or dogma, except,you must believe in God. There are no secrets. We have NO "religious" rituals other than conferring the degrees, and that is reinacting scenes from the Bible much like most churches do, such as on Christmas. Masons were the builders of the temples & cathedrals all over the world. Now we "symbolically" build Solomons Temple to God. The temple we build is the life we live to bring honor & glory to God. |
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---Chip on 4/22/08 |
Chip:: Can you define Free Masonary and its doctrines and secret dogmas in respect to Christianity and in relation to the church in General especially the RCC? |
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---Emcee on 4/21/08 |
All "christians" here, Freemasonry is good.
Chris, I agree with you. I am a mason, scottish & york rite & shriner.
I am also a christian minister. There are many ministers of different denominations in my lodge & through out the world.
I have read some of the gossup on this blog & wonder how you can call yourselves "christians" when you are repeating & in some cases speculating, on something you know nothing about. |
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---Chip on 4/21/08 |
As a Mason I would like to know how you people think we are evil considering the Shriners who run a free hospital for kids are masons and masons as a whole donate millions of dollars a year to charitable causes |
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---chris on 4/20/08 |
Carol-You are unmistakably superior, more knowledgeable in this discussion than myself. One problem, Born-again-ism, fundamentalism diden't exist before 1901. It began in Topeka KS and Azusa Ca around 1906. Perchance a quantum-time-phase-shift allowed the Founders to move between 1776 and 1906 transporting beliefs back in time to situate those beliefs concealed within the constitution. As I see a secular document, I guess only those consecrated (like yourself) can see the cloaked theology in its pages. |
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---MikeM on 1/17/08 |
I was in Washington DC and I saw written in stone God over and over, nothing about masons or deist. Its rubbish!
---Carol on 1/17/08
You most likely did see much about God but very little about Jesus. |
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---lee on 1/17/08 |
One big lie I hear is that Americas founders were freemasons or something other than Christian. History is being changed. I was in Washington DC and I saw written in stone God over and over, nothing about masons or deist. Its rubbish! |
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---Carol on 1/17/08 |
The Masons accept people of any religion, so it's quite feasible that the Baptist Pastor could belong to the Masons. I agree with Gordon, it's demonic. Just because lots of famous people have been in it, it still does not make it right.
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter by the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are FEW who find it.
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---Holly4jc on 1/16/08 |
The answer depends on who is your God. If you know Jesus (not just having a belief or faith) then the answer is an absolute NO it is NOT good! If your god is Satan but you think it is Jesus just like Paul thought he was getting his visions from Jesus, (just like most people who claim to be christian) then your answer would be "Yes" it is a good thing. It therefore appears that Baptists do not really know Jesus (since they don't keep all ten of the commandments and show their love for God) |
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---Dr._Rich on 1/16/08 |
The Founding Fathers were masons, deists and Unitarians. Georg4e Washington was a high mason. Washington DC is full of masonic symbols. On one hand many say America was founded on biblical principles, on the other they denounce masons as evil heretics.
You can't have it both ways. |
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---MikeM on 1/16/08 |
Gordon - *Freemasonry is Evil and from Satan*.
What precisely is 'evil' about freemasonry? They do not preach Sabbath keeping?
Have you been a Mason or is everything you believe based upon heresay? |
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---Lee on 1/16/08 |
Freemasonry is Evil and from Satan. And it does not matter if Baptist "pastors" are involved in it or not. There is not enough space here to go into all the important details to explain why. But, go to the Library or surf the Net. These "Pastors" are very WRONG and I would not be surprised if they end up in HELL. GOD is THAT SERIOUS about HOLINESS, Church! |
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---Gordon on 1/16/08 |
And here is an interesting fact. A short study of the membership in the Masonic Lodge reveals that no less than Billy Graham is or at least was a Mason. When Billy made a deal with the Orthodox Church in Moscow my father made this statement, here's a man who will fly any flag to get the port. Humm. I have since come to believe the old man was right. And of course,did you know that believe thinks Islam is a peaceful religion. |
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---Mima on 1/16/08 |
*Freemasonry traces its roots to the mid 13th Century in the British Isles...*
Possibly true, the story I got while a Mason was that the Lodge members were originally composed of those that picked up the dead bodies in the streets during the plagues and buried them. As such there was of necessity a need to be of a secret organization. |
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---Lee on 1/15/08 |
The reason I think many Baptist pastors are masons is because I actually asked them. My question is, sir are you a member of the Masonic Lodge. Based on the answers I received I'm certain many Baptist pastors are masons. |
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---Mima on 1/15/08 |
I was a Master Mason for some 18 years and found that the Lodge teachings are largely deism & a version of Rosicrucianism.
While we are dealing with philosophy here, Scripture warns us 'See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ'.Col 2:8 |
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---Lee on 1/15/08 |
I think the funniest thing in the world is people telling others what they don't know themselves! Like saying those at the top in Freemasonry are satanists and those at the bottom don't know it. If those at the bottom don't know it, how the heck do those not even IN Freemasonry know it!? Now that's funny!
I don't see money-grubbing, TV evangelists joining Freemasonry. They wouldn't have the heart to continue stealing peoples money from them in the name of God. |
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---LOGIC_ROCKS on 1/14/08 |
#2 the org. is another way of teaching the book in my Lodge the Bible. but they will work for others jews muslams ect. in short its about being a good person, and living in harmony with the rest of the world and truly understanding everything in it and living in harmony. the more you understand about the world the more knowledge, knowledge could devlope into wisdoem. |
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---hoss. on 10/13/07 |
#3 the journey for me is thought Christ for another mason it could be diffrent. and as a mater of fact i dont care what his religon is that is between him and his god. lets just treat each other right and go from there. all men are equal in the lodge and politics and religon are not to be spoken in the lodge. |
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---hoss. on 10/13/07 |
#1 i have been reading this blog and i must say not to many people have a clue what there talking about because there not active masons. this is kinda like talking about building a engine with people who have no mechanical knowledge. i am a active mason it is not a religon. now to adress the part about beliving in a "supreem being" see #2 |
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---hoss on 10/13/07 |
Freemasonry is a cult. My cousin is a Freemason and he says that he "hopes there will be something on the other side". Sad and lost. |
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---Helen_5378 on 6/26/07 |
The Masons say you can join only if you believe in a GOD. They do not state which one! Thru this belief in YOUR GOD it ties you to there secrets. A atheist can not join cause he has no ties. I personally went thru the firs level and didn't find it to be for me. It's not for everyone. They don't ask you to join I positive of that. You must question them for an application. Then from there you are voted on by the petitioning lodge. I believe in GOD. |
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---Just_what_I_know on 6/25/07 |
In my opinion and it's just that a opinion. The Masons are a good group they do good in the communities and the strive to make good men better. As for there spiritual beliefs that is up to each member and I assure you they will have to answer for the choices one day !!! |
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---Just_what_I_know on 6/25/07 |
The lower positions most hold do not show the true roots - nor do the lowest members know. The highest positions hide the truth of the origin of masons. Nimrod -who married his mother is the father of masonary - known earlier by a different name. It is not God centered. They do believe than can do what they wish how they wish with no accounting to anyone. |
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---Terry on 8/10/06 |
Freemasonry traces its roots to the mid 13th Century in the British Isles, the first Grand Lodge was organized in 1717. The Illuminati nonsense that too many people refer to dates only to the 1770s and is restricted almost exclusively to the Germanic States and especially the Catholic Kingdom of Bavaria.
As to being able to do "any evil" the Baptist Church acknowledged that its members would be able to do "any evil" based on the "once saved, always saved" doctrine |
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---James on 7/4/06 |
information ive received informs me that masonry is not ancient fairly recent founded by adam weishaupt with artificial history to provide credibility being at top you finally informed that the entity of creation is a being entitled yahbulon mixture of Yahuweh, baal and egyptian on.albet pike wrote that the real architect is lucifer the light bringer! depends who you ask!! reality is our allegiance is only to be to yahuweh!! noone or anything else!! |
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---dave on 7/3/06 |
I have a cousin who is a Freemason, now quite high up I believe. He says (and believes) that he can literally do any evil and get away with it because there will be his Freemason "brothers" there to get him off. He told me straight that he was going to punch somebody's face in really bad and that he would not go to jail for it. They even get away with murder if the Judge is a Freemason. That is evil of all evils. |
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---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06 |
Jay - A Christian is someone who believes that God sent His only Son Jesus Christ into this world to become a Man and die on the Cross for their sins, then Jesus rose from the dead. Do you believe this? Also, why do you say you are "a Christian and a mason"? |
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---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06 |
mormons have a masonic square and compass on the front of their 'sacred underwear' |
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---r.w. on 7/3/06 |
I am a 3rd degree Master Mason and Freemasonry IS NOT a religion. We do not bow to a "pagan god" as someone put it here. I am a Christian and a Mason. You have to believe in "a god" to be a member but there are no other requirements even close to being religious in nature.
It's the oldest fraternity in the world. Every pres. we've ever had has been a Freemason. Some are/were members of the Skull and Bones Society which is always mistaken for Freemasonry.
Moderator - Jay, you are correct that at level three it's not a religion, however at the higher levelest it is a religion. |
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---Jay on 6/22/06 |
I don't know how to find out if G.W. is a Mason, but I would almost bet money that is and probably his dad, too. G.W. is a United Methodist, a denomination that prides themselves in accepting anyone...not to convert them, but to "help them follow their own spiritual path" (according to a T.V. ad directed at Gays.) I'm not "bashing" anyone, just stating what I know. |
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---Donna on 2/24/06 |
Lee,
Could you give us the source of that George Bush quote please? |
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---Bruce5656 on 2/24/06 |
"...but believe that well-meaning believers of all religions are approved by God."
Even George W. Bush believes that but that is also politically expedient.
Is GWB belong to the Freemasonic lodge? |
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---lee on 2/24/06 |
There is a logic in the freemason's "sanctuary" having no windows, and the same applies in the sanctuaries of Catholic and other churches, and probably to the holiest part of the Jewish temple? |
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---alan8869_of_UK on 2/24/06 |
My brother was a 33rd degree (highest degree) Mason (Scottish Rite). The only requirement is belief in a God..many Jews belong. A liberal Baptist could belong, not knowing the "new age" orientation of the higher degrees. The Masons support free children's hospitals, and in smaller communities, provide "networking" for community leaders. They are not directly "satan worshippers" as some think, but believe that well-meaning believers of all religions are approved by God. |
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