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My Behavior Gets Me Saved

Behavioral salvation says my salvation depends on how I act, either to gain my salvation (get saved) or to keep my salvation (stay saved) Do you believe in behavioral salvation?

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No. God has to convict you of your sins. A person cannot make it into heaven with good behavior. Just because your a good person that won't keep Jesus in your heart.
---Rebecca_D on 1/27/08


God is faithful & Christians are REQUIRED to be faithful to Him. The Word is VERY clear about this. Salvation is a gift, unmerited, but the Lord can give & He can take away. God DESPISES hyprocrisy, rebellion, Christians MUST obey God, this is [normal] if they truly desire to put Him first. The book of James & "the Sermon on the Mount", explains how important it is to SUBMIT to the Lord. Fruits are a indicator if one is IN Christ, Jesus said so. God said we must examine ourselves. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/10/07


Salvation is by grace through faith. PERIOD.
---Madison on 5/10/07


No....we are saved by faith and not works. Good people can actually go to hell if they don't accept Jesus as their savior. Jesus is the only way to be saved.
---wes on 3/1/06


Molly has some wonderful post concerning this blog.---mima-1/11/2006
---mima on 1/11/06




I always use the KJV, unless noted otherwise.

Is 45:7 . . . I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things .
Jer 4:6 I will bring evil
Jer 6:19 I will bring evil .
Jer 11:11 I will bring evil
Jer 21:10 I have set my face against this city for evil
Jer 32:42 I have brought all this great evil
Jer 36:3 all the evil which I purpose to do unto them
Jer 39:16 I will bring my words upon this city for evil

Thers is nothing God is not in charge of.
---a_servant on 1/10/06


Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Prov 8:17 I love them that love me

God does not love everybody.

Rom 9:22 . . . vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 . . . vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared

God created both vessels before the foundation of the world, one prepared for adoption, the other prepared for rejection.

Jer 1:5 . . . before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet . . .
---a_servant on 1/10/06


God's foreknowledge is different from predestination.
The only thing God predetermined is that we become like Christ if we want to.
God didn't love the Hebrews any different than He did the Egyptians. The difference was their obedience and acceptance of Him.
If what Servant says is true how does Servant know that he is not "chosen" to be hated by God.
It is utterly foolish to think God hates (as in not love) anyone.
---Elder on 1/10/06


A servant, about your comment about Romans 9. I do believe some people want to work for salvation, by the keeping of the law. Some want to try to keep the law, even after they are saved by grace. God has made it clear, in scripture, works do not save us. We are kept by the power of God. No, God does not want us to think we are playing a part in our salvation.
---Ulrika on 1/10/06


Molly, God knows from the being who will accept him and who will not. Romans 12:3...according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Jesus knew ahead of time who would betray him. Jesus also knew who would deny him 3 times.
No, I do not believe in behavioral salvation. There is nothing I can do to earn salvation, and there is nothing I can do to keep it. It is a gift. All I did was accept it by faith.
Ephesian 2:4-9
---Ulrika on 1/10/06




Yes Molly, I find it quite amazing that some believe that God should behave thus. But is there is an element of truth in the doctrines ... they seem just to be extreme extensions of views that are expressed on the these blogs.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/10/06


Romans 8:29 For whom he did fore know, he also did predestinate to be comformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
2Timothy 1:9 Who hath save us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
---Ulrika on 1/10/06


Molly, servant wrote scriture. it is not complete or the same version I use.
KJ Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, affording to the good pleasure of his will,
continued
---Ulrika on 1/10/06


, a servant, remember that God loves everyone. anyone who does not enter heaven is failing to accept the love that God wants to give them. people choose where they spend eternity.
---steve on 1/10/06


....Which is a total contradiction, a damnable false doctrine, and outright blasphemy, right?!
---Molly on 1/10/06


Molly ... go to the new blog "Is natural man depraved?" and you will find that the Calvinists' total predestination doctrine says just what a servant has stated. If you were not selected by God right at the beginning of time, you just do not have a chance!
I don't accept it, because the logical outcome of the theory is that God created those unselected souls purely to sin, and it makes Him the author of theri sin, and therefore turns Him into Satan!
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/10/06


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part 3: If what you say is true, then what good does it do for anyone to preach the word or witness to the unsaved- IF they're already doomed before they are born? How do you explain the 'whosoever' in John 3:16 then? That is contradictory to what you're saying. I guess you're glad YOU'RE in that 'lucky bunch' that God thought so much of, huh?!
---Molly on 1/10/06


part 2: As far as the Hebrews & Egyptians go, the Hebrews made the choice to serve God, the Egyptians worshiped other gods and did not follow Him- THAT'S why they were destroyed, they brought it on themselves by persecuting God's people.
---Molly on 1/10/06


A 'servant': WHO in the WORLD has been teaching you this garbage??!! "Brother" you need to STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED, so that you can RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH! Eph 1:4 plainly says that he DID choose us- ALL of us, and has a plan for each one to accept his gift of redemption. But even though he chose US, some of us are foolish and do not accept HIM.
---Molly on 1/10/06


I am so glad to have the real Molly back.
Molly has said all that needs to be said on this matter in a clear manner. We cannot add to what she said.
I now suggest to those wondering about this issue, read what she has said and think on these things.
---Elder on 1/10/06


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The term 'behavioural salvation' sounds very much like salvation by works. Is that what you mean? No-one is saved by their works and good deeds. However, when we are saved by Grace we will certainly want to do the good works. Faith without works is dead.
---emg on 1/10/06


Molly ,very well said.Jesus talked about those who corrupt the simplicity in Christ and it seems many try to do just that . I said it in another post ,one dies to self and lives to Christ, and that does include our behavior . We are new creatures in Christ . Buried , through baptism , with Him and risen like Him . Old ways passed away .
---Darlene_1 on 1/9/06


Romans 9 gives many people trouble, because man wants to believe he has input into his salvation. But God clearly says salvation is a gift - Eph 2:8.

Gifts are always given to the undeserving because you love them. God is no different.

God created the Hebrews and the Egyptians, but he chose to love the Hebrews and destroy the Egyptians. Today, non-Christians are being destroyed in the world at a much higher rate than Christians, though He created both.
---a_servant on 1/9/06


Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

God slected those He was going to save before he formed the world.

Romans 9 explains how God is like a potter, who makes some vessels (humans) to be given mercy (saved), and others to not be given mercy (unsaved).
---a_servant on 1/9/06


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part 3: So, bottom line: We do not work to BECOME saved, we WANT to work because we ARE saved. Those that say this is a "works doctrine" usually have not had any significant change in their lives and are still ruled by their old sinful nature, which rises up against the truth of God's word. And the first thing out of their mouths is usually "I'm not under the LAW any more, I'm under grace!"- most of the time they haven't a clue what that scripture implies. They just twist the Word
---Molly on 1/9/06


part 2: This inward change WILL (sometimes instantly, sometimes gradually) produce outward change. We won't have to make ourselves change in order to, as you say, KEEP our salvation. But if the Holy Spirit is at work in our lives, we WILL change, and we will not FIGHT AGAINST DOING SO, as I have seen evidence of in so many of these blogs. A resurrected spirit man inside will desire change. If there's no desire, no submission to our LORD for his will in our lives, then that spirit man is still dead.
---Molly on 1/9/06


I've never heard of the term. Salvation (redemption) does not take place in our life by ANYTHING WE do. We don't earn it by acts, and we don't "keep it" (or prove we are worthy of it) by acts. IF we truly and completely surrender our lives to the Lord Jesus Christ, and make him not only Saviour, but LORD (master), then a change will take place in our heart.
---Molly on 1/9/06


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