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Should Women Be Preachers

Why do some people think that a woman who preaches is putting herself in authority over men? We are told to go into the world and preach the gospel. There are male Christians who were saved through hearing a woman preach (possibly mum or wife). Should they have been left to go to hell?

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I think people get preaching from the pulpit in a church mixed up with evangelism on the streets where by women were not excluded.

Why don't people read their bibles instead of arguing their own opinion.
If The word says women are to be silent in church then women be silent

The word did not say women are to go around in their homes or out and about silent now did it yet the debating always go's in a state of confusion!
---Carla3939 on 3/26/09

Paul's letters very clear. Twisting them to define what you want it to say is pitiful. Women can teach other women and children. should never have any kind authority over man. don't even see how anyone cannot see that.
---Tim on 8/19/08

Your eyes/ears are on Tim. Those who won't see ....driven by their zeal/emotion or personal reasons/self gratification perhaps...Zeal sounds righteous until errors compounded by first disobedience is seen. More they compound the more defended is indefendsible.
Teach/preach comes w/consequences for promoters of error.
16They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, unto every good work reprobate.
See no peace within themselves...a mark.
---Trav on 2/9/09

Lets make this a little clearer, we were all asked to go out onto the streets to street witness, few of us turned up, we were asked to sing at a concert few turned up. But when asked if anyone will attend large conferences where big preachers were coming to preach, all who never turn up on the small important witnessing Guess What, THEY TURN UP IN THE HUNDREDS!
---Carla3939 on 2/9/09

Well, I hate to burst your bubbles but sometimes prophetczing can mean preaching. Anyways, "Let your women keep silence in the churches'. The scripture must be interpreted in light of 1 Corin 11:5 which states: Paul understood that women were permitted to prophesy and to pray in public worship so long as they were properly dressed.Another scripture to look at>>> "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home". They were not allowed to disrupt the service by asking questions and talking while the service was going on. And I am going to add to this, I don't care what you think. But that should also go for the men, too. You can accuse me of taking way adding to or whatever.
---catherine on 2/8/09


God speaks to his children they here his voice and he hears them. If you understand that you know who the false Preachers are!
---Carla3939 on 2/8/09

1 cor 14: 26 thru 39 read this and if you disagree then take it out of your bible.
---john on 2/7/09

I cannot believe anyone can even have this debate. The rules of preaching are very clear in Timothy, Titus and Corinthians. Some seem to try to justify women preaching by very gray definitions of other scripture. Prophetess does not mean preach. God has used women in certain situations. That is very clear. If you throw out what is in these books I mentioned then throw the entire bible away. It may be accepted by our culture and society today but that in itself doesn't make it right. Paul's letters are very clear. Twisting them to define what you want it to say is pitiful. Women can teach other women and children. They should never have any kind of authority over man. I don't even see how anyone cannot see that.
---Tim on 8/19/08

Jesus came to restore woman to her rightful place. How can a woman be led by the Spirit of God, if man places restictions on her? Is she then, bound by man, and traditions, or is she free to follow her Lord? Did the word say that it came to men only? The key word here is usurp. If you study that word you will see what is meant.
---gayla on 8/17/08

kathrn, the Father is in Jesus and in me, Jesus says: "He that has seen me has seen the Father. Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me because of the very miracles' sake. In that which day you all will know, because I in the Father of me, and you all in me, and I in you. If anyone love me, the word of me this one will keep: and the Father of me will love him, and to him we will come, and our dwelling in him we will make." John 14:9,11,20,23.
---Eloy on 8/16/08

Eloy, let me try to understand you...You don't believe in the Trinity?

If no one can come to the Father except THROUGH His Son...then where is the Father?

John 17: 21That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

So Eloy, according to your interpretation of John 17:21 you would also suggest YOU are GOD too in Body, with no distinction between You, God the Father and Jesus Christ.

Are YOU God Eloy?

---kathr4453 on 8/15/08

.kathrn, "But when they saw Jesus walking upon the sea, they supposed it was a spirit, and cried out: for they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and says to them, Take courage: I am, be not afraid." Mark 6:49,50. The Lord God Jesus himself testifies, this: "He that has seen me has seen the Father. Here my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you all see me have. Reach to here your finger, and here my hands, and reach to here your hand, and thrust into my side: and be not unbelieving, but believing." John 14:9+ Luke 24:39+ John 20:27.
---Eloy on 8/15/08

****God's body is the body of the Everlasting Lord God Jesus Christ whom sits and reigns upon his throne over all his creation. *****

Eloy, Stephen testified this:

Acts 7:55
But he,(Stephen) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08

first of all, I think we all could take heed of what the following verse says, then there would be no arguments....

from I Corinthians 1:10

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that we all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment"

secondly, a woman being a missionary and a woman being a minister is completely different, if you read the scriptures closely enough, you can figure this out, we need to be in one accord, or how else are we going to show the world the truth?
---Anthony on 8/14/08

Spirit cannot be heard walking in the garden of Eden, Spirit does not have a mouth to speak words, Spirit does not sit upon a throne, and God is Not Spirit as though he were some kind of air without his body, God indeed has a body, exactly as he says and exactly as he manifested, just as also my holy Spirit has my body: God's body is the body of the Everlasting Lord God Jesus Christ whom sits and reigns upon his throne over all his creation.
---Eloy on 8/14/08

.darlene, you may continue your questionables, and I will keep my knowables.
---Eloy on 8/14/08

Eloy,your words are questionable to believers because most know the Word of God and some like me believes it all not take one verse and use it as a foundation for doctrine. You said only man was made in God's "shape",strange since God doesn't have a shape for he is Spirit,plus Genesis 2:7 And the Lord formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,and man became a living soul. Using your logic we would have to conclude since man's shape was dirt,God's shape is dirt too. No way! God gave man His image and woman too, which was the spirit of humans,the image of God's Spirit,not the physical outer shell. Some men seem to want women cast onto trash heap of nonservice to God. Jesus never did that.
---Darlene_1 on 8/12/08

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Absolutely! but not pastor! Not fill a pulpit, hears one verse, (by the way, why doesn't one work anymore? One rattlesnake is all it takes to kill you.) God said 1Timothy 3 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous, one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity, Do they meet these guidlines?
---Wade on 8/12/08

Mary, In Hebrew "Animate" is "Life", and Adam was saying, this woman bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh is, "My living mate, the maternal life of all my offspring". From the Greek her name would be the same, "Viva" which means "life".
---Eloy on 8/11/08

.darlene, my words questionable to the lost, but not the believing: Jesus is not a woman..."And God created the man after his likeness, after the likeness of God created he him. And YHWH God said: It not good that man should be alone, I will make him a helpermate to company to him. But there was no help found to Adam to bear him company. Then YHWH God made to fall a deep sleep on Adam, and he slept. And he took out one of his ribs, and in the stead thereof he filled up the place with flesh. And YHWH God built of the rib which he took out of Adam, a woman, and brought her to Adam. Then said Adam: This at last bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. This will be called woman: because she was taken out of the man. Beginning 1:27+ 2:18,20-23.
---Eloy on 8/11/08

.nicole, I do not need to reread a scripture I already know: but conversely, you for not knowing need to reread the scripture until you know likewise the scripture.
---Eloy on 8/11/08

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Eloy,your reasoning's questionable about man alone having God's shape. John 4:24 God is a Spirit:and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Genesis 1:26 let us make man in our image,after our likeness,and let "them"-. Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image,in the image of God created he him,male and female created he them. Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them,and blessed them,and called "their name Adam",in the day when they were created. Since God is a Spirit he has no fleshly form,therefore,it was the spirit of man and woman made in likeness of God not the flesh. Ga 3:28-there is neither male or female for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Acts10:34-35 God's no respecter of persons.
---Darlene_1 on 8/11/08

Eloy, you need to read Genesis over and over. God made Adam first and from the dirt. Eve from the form body of Adam.
This is the reason we are carry Original Sin. Everyone has DNA from Adam, not Eve.

If Eve didn't sinned, only she would have died.
God gave Adam command to care and protect.
Adam didn't protect Eve from Satan.

Also note when they hid from God, who was God calling?
Jesus became a man to undo Adam's sin.

Interesting that Jesus only took His Human Nature from a woman.

Women can not be a Priest, because man kind didn't fall due to her but through a man. But, they can still teach.

Eloy, you are behaving like Adam.
God didn't accept it from Adam, nor will He from you.
---Nicole on 8/10/08

Eloy, in I Timothy chapter 2, verse 14 the scripture says, "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." Therefore, he knew the serpent was lying and chose to eat the forbidden fruit. Eve was deceived according to the scripture and was punished with the pain associated with childbearing, while Adam would have to work hard labor. Adam knew it was wrong, Eve was actually deceived, but still punished. Romans chapter 16 actually commends women who served in various capacities, including handling church business affairs,(Phoebe), Priscilla, who with her husband Aquilla co-pastored a church in their home, verses 3-5 & expounded the way of God more excellently to Apollos in Acts 18:verses 24-26.
---theresa on 8/9/08

Hi Eloy, may I ask you at least why you refer to Eve as "Animate"? What exactly does that mean? Just wondering and hope you respond, thanks, Mary
---Mary on 8/8/08

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*The whole human race has fallen into sin because of Animate,the first woman.*

Eloy,why does scripture put the blame on:

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

A figure ...Jesus Christ who took OUR SIN UPON HIM and PAID the price for us...Oh What Love.

Jesus laid down His life for His Bride...knowing exactly what he was doing...Just as Adam did....eyes wide open...Adam was not deceived. Correct.

And I might add, Adam, never rubbed it in Eve's face....nor does Jesus rub it in ours. Love covers a multitude of SIN.

Jesus LOVES ME!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/8/08

.mary, I preach the truth. Jesus created man in his shape, not woman: woman were created for a different purpose than what man was created for. And the blame for sin belongs exactly where it is, exactly upon the nonrepentant sinner, and this is why women are not to lead. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 8/8/08

.mary, I could care les if every singlwe piece of clay hated me upon the face of the earth. I will preach the truth, and if women or men or children choose to dis it, that is their own judgment they will be held accountable for. If you knew me, and you do not, then you would know what I know without asking if I had a clue about women and how my God created women different then men. If you are offended because I speak the truth, that is your own offense and not mine. You can repent and accept the truth or remain in your offense. But the truth that a man was created in God's shape, and Not women, will stand.
---Eloy on 8/7/08

Oooooh Eloy!!! :O You're definitely not trying to win a popularity contest with women, are you? What's this "Animate" stuff about Eve? Do you have any clue that God loves and created each WOMAN as well as each man?! Besides, you accuse women of being tempters, do you honestly think men have never tempted me, as a woman?! I've known men--even in the church--that have made it a miracle I'm celibate! Quit putting all the blame in the world on Eve and women, please. Besides, Adam was zero help so why do you feel so superior?
---Mary on 8/6/08

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women are not men, nor are the weaker vessels strong vessels. The whole human race has fallen into sin because of Animate, the first woman. Jesus' commission to all flesh to spread the gospel is not the samething as spreading the gospel as a preacher or a minister or a pastor leading a flock: A Shepherd is not a shepherdess: Jesus ordained 12 men to spread the gospel, he did not ordain 12 women. Satan uses the weaker vessel to sow falsehood, to steal, slay, and devastate.
---Eloy on 8/6/08

Women are expressly informed not to preach, according the scripture. However, when there are no spirit, born again men around, God will use any instrument at His disposal. Hence many more women are missionaries than men. The deep things of God should never be entered into by anyone but those whom God has appointed as to do otherwise leads to error within the body of the Church. Hence, it is not wrong for women to communicate the Word of the Lord but not stand up in pulpits and to teach it, as is the case with those men who are equally unfit to do so. We are not all given to teach. So many men cannot teach only communicate.
---Alan on 8/5/08

Remember, Jesus said when referring to the crowds crying out for him, that if they (the crowds) did not, then the rocks would cry out. God will use any available and willing vessel to proclaim the Gospel. God is not a respecter or discriminator of persons. In Heaven there is neither male or female as we know it. I certainly believe God will use any person who truly loves Him and wants to serve Him. When Jesus is real to an individual, the ongoing desire of the believer will be just that. Its a living everyday and ongoing desire.
---Robert on 8/4/08

in as much as i would like to agree with you guys but doesn,t it seem well out of the word of God.the bible says Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever Him being the same means he changeth not.they way he felt is the same way he feels now.and in beleiving that Jesus christ is the word of God then what the apostle Paul spoke concerning women is the absolute because he spoke not him but christ in him.the bible meant exactly what it guys the bible forbids women in authority and when they start to be in authority it just shows the decay in morals as prophecied by the prophet Isaiah 3:12.
---enzo on 8/3/08

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Douglas, not arguing,discussing. Found by Internet search of History of Tongues or Women Priests that there were always women Ministers and even RCC women who were Priests, it's on one's tombstone. Found writing against women as Priests by Catholic leaders. Stating shouldn't baptise,or Minister not ordained Priests meant nonCatholics too. RCC men made an outcry against women Ministers Catholics stopped it and other denominations followed suit. Pentecostals never stopped having women Ministers/Pastors.
---Darlene_1 on 10/29/07

all you who oppose Women as preachers and use the scripture to support it, do you know why Paul said those thing??? Usually it had nothing to do with women, but with the culture. If we are all equal in christ and that everyone is gifted with a spiritual gift. then wouldn't it be possible for a women to be a minister? Some of my favorite pastors are women, they bring a different outlook in a sermon and they make much better encouragers.
---Jared on 11/2/06

Amen, my sister. Some of my best friends and I don't agree on certain doctrines. The important thing is, we know where we have been, where we are going, and who paid for the ticket! Like you said, we agree on the gospel - and there is no love diminished from other minor disagreements.

-- He is risen --
---mike on 2/23/06

Mike, You're a good guy. Though I disagree with your take on this issue, I don't think we are too far apart overall. I guess this is one of those moments where we agree to disagree (without passing judgement) and leave it to the Lord to speak to the other. Most important to me is the Gospel - Jesus coming to us through the virgin birth, living a perfect sinless life, giving up Himself to die on the cross, and rising from death in victory, so that we might be reconciled to the Father.
---daphn8897 on 2/23/06

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Probably gonna let my ignorance show again - but "I think" is exactly the problem. Paul worked many years correcting Christians that "thought" they were doing what seemed right.
-- Not my will, but Thine, O Lord --
---mike on 2/23/06

I think if the woman preacher is helping to fulfil God's will, why not.
---D on 2/22/06

Ralph, You've proven my point. Your very response further exposes the bitterness concerning your exwife. I am sorry that you saw how ugly women can be. Please don't let that blind you to how lovely and precious women are who love the Lord. We are all dealing with baggage. And as far as arrogance, yup - still think that... but it takes one to know one. I am not saying anything about you that I do not know about myself. Our hearts are deceitfully wicked... but God.
---daphn8897 on 2/22/06

Mike, A reasonably humble response. And, not attacking, just a bit incredulous that you would speak authoritatively. Humility is much more godly than opinion. Ultimately, God will be the one judging us all, so perhaps we should not take that upon ourselves. I have never been convinced because someone argued with me - but have been lead to revisit because someone courteously and kindly rebuffed.
---DSM on 2/22/06

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Alan, if you must know, I was a member of the board of Deacons in my church for probably 15 years or so. Right after my divorce I stepped away from serving as a deacon. There were many reasons for doing so, but one consideration was the principle of deacons having one wife and having their house in order. I am still serving in other capacities but not as a deacon.
---ralph7477 on 2/22/06

Daphne, me...arrogant? Haha, you don't know me very well. Is it arrogant for a person with a PH.D. to say that they possess a lot of knowledge on a particular subject? All encompassing is another way of saying well-rounded, vast, comprehensive...not omniscient. My divorce ordeal actually supplied me with much of my education, as I used to be very naive and ignorant, being the humble, easy-going gentleman that I am.
---ralph7477 on 2/22/06

my ignorance?
ignorance-The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. I am probably guilty there.

denomination is not that important to me - so I won't let you attack that.

translation is the Greek Textus Receptus - you can get a copy in many places on the net. (with strong's numbers)

my lack of tact, i do apologize for that. i will try to be more careful on that one.

-- your brother --
---mike on 2/22/06

Will, mike, "read it like it's wrote".. in what language? in which translation? And, which denominiational swing? Hmmm.... me thinks your lack of tact and forethought belies your ignorance to His word.
---DSM on 2/22/06

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Ralph ... I believe you are dicorced. I ope you are not in ministry, (unless you have remarried) because Paul said a pastor must have one wife, and you no longer have one.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/22/06

Ralph, You must be kidding. There is no man, save Jesus Himself, who has an all encompassing understanding of women. If you are divorced, there is a real good chance that you don't have a clue in at least one pretty big area, otherwise you'd still be married. Your arrogance has set you apart brother. And, that is your choice. I'm done.
---daphn8897 on 2/22/06

thank you Will.
-- read it like it's wrote --
---mike on 2/22/06

Your personal beliefs and agendas don't matter. What matters is what the Word of God states.
---WILL on 2/22/06

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Whether you agree with it or not. Lets look at what Paul has to say. I Timothy 2:11-14. Let the woman learn in silence with ALL subjection. But I suffer NOT a woman to TEACH nor usurp AUTHORITY of the man, but to be in SILENCE.
For Adam was first formed then Eve. And Adam was NOT deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the TRANSGRESSION.

The 5 fold ministry is for men and men alone. A woman exercising otherwise is serving a false doctrine.
---WILL on 2/22/06

Most dearest Daph, why do you assume that I harbor bitterness and have issues with women? Maybe it seems that way because I no longer have any patience for nonsense. All I have done here is espouse biblical principals with verses to back them up. You and your gal pals don't agree and that's fine. Believe what you want. Starting a blog so I can learn about women would be pointless as my knowledge of the subject is all encompassing.
---ralph7477 on 2/21/06

John, Thank you for noting a very important point. If everyone is desiring to serve rather than be served, then strife has little place to enter. I do know, however, from experience that men receive/learn much better from other men. It is a rare and humble man that can hear a woman speaking God's truth and receive it. I am fortunate to have a few such men in my church family.
---daphn8897 on 2/21/06

Mima. Yes,women make perfect shepherds and caretakers. They are made for that by God himself. My girls are not only great preachers but are true shepherds. Not hirelings. And they don't take authoritative positions. They don't even want them. There is no power struggle when every one is a servant.
---john on 2/21/06

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Tabitha, you are correct in that women preaching in a public context should not target saved men, but to stop just because one is present? I say no. We've had womens conferences where our pastor opens the meeting, turns it over to his wife, and then sits in the back. Also, men were running the sound board. The meetings were obviously for the ladies, but there were men who chose to remain and listen. The issue is not if men are present, but if they are the targeted audience.
---daphn8897 on 2/21/06

To Darlene: thank you for your testimony about your aunt, I enjoyed it so much. The other lady is suffering from what I call "conditioned" beliefs. When the teaching is wrong the student will error.
---mima on 2/21/06

To john: I was very pleased to hear about your wife and daughter and their work. Here's a perfect example of women in ministry, can women baptize, they certainly can. And while the women of your family are doing much more than most pastors, they're still not occupying a pastoral (authoritative by implication) position. I also would guess that these women are tomgue talkers.
---mima on 2/21/06

Ralph, perhaps you could start a blog and talk with some of the ladies on this site about what happened in your marriage. Maybe you could gain insite about our gender. God made us too - we are a part of the "it is good" statement He made in Genesis. He wired us differently - not just physically but emotionally and spiritually. Perhaps a new vision for our gender could help you deal death blows to that root of bitterness you appear to have allowed. Hopefully...
---daphn8897 on 2/21/06

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My dearest Ralph... We are to take the Bible as truth, absolutely - yes. But how can we fully understand that truth it if we do not understand it's historical and cultural context? Also, we are to look line upon line, precept upon precept. I am sorry you have issues with women, but that is not a reason to purposely remain ignorant to God's ways and thoughts concerning this. You seem to be a bright man - don't let bitterness blind you from what He's really saying. And....
---daphn8897 on 2/21/06

Aunt was in the hospital for further surgery due to finding cancer. Mom and I laid hands on her and prayed for healing. An elderly Church of Christ lady with blocked bowels was in the room with her, we ask did she want prayer, she asked "do you have a man with you?", we answered no and she refused prayer. Doctor said my Aunt couldn't live, even after surgery, she lived 27 more years. Woman was still sick last we heard. God uses women however it pleases Him. All He wants is a willing vessel.
---Darlene_1 on 2/21/06

I believe that women can be preachers but the question is when? and where? They don't have any business preaching to a group of people that contains a baptized male in it. (point blank, no ?'s asked) Women should only preach to other females and non-baptized males. Also, they are not to preach in public due to the possiblity of breaking the first rule. It is NOT her place to preach to the baptized men. It is the mens place to do that. I believe that God said so,
---Tabitha on 2/20/06

There is nothing wrong with a woman preaching God's word. Women helped Paul in the NT. Some men are jealous because some women do a better job preaching. God can call whomever he wants to spread his word. If God can use a sinner to do certain jobs for him, then God can call a woman to preach his word.
---Rebecca_D on 2/20/06

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My wife and my daughter are both preachers. They are totally anointed by the Holy Spirit. They run an outreach and people get saved and set free from drugs and alcohol. Marriages get put back together and people get baptized. I wonder if women are allowed to baptize people? LOL.
---john on 2/20/06

Alan, I agree. It can get very sad.
---ralph7477 on 2/20/06

How sad Ralph that you cannot say about marriage that it is great.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/20/06

Daphy, what are you trying to convince me of? That the bible doesn't really mean what it says? Your time is better spent on other things. You are right that I will probably only listen to men; Solomon, Paul, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. They will serve me just fine. By the way, I'm glad you are paying attention to my posts, it's a good way to learn. My views on marriage will have to wait till the word limit is raised from 85 to 8500.
---ralph7477 on 2/20/06

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Ralph, Some of us have been paying attention to your posts - so, we're evaluating you by what you say. You've made a couple of references that implied you believe you'd have been better off if you never married. Perhaps, but a marriage gone bad is rarely, if ever, the fault of only one party. Darlene, you cannot convince these two (including Mike here). Because you are a woman, they see you with no credibility - regardless of the truth of what you say or your obvious God given intellect.
---daphn8897 on 2/20/06

Mike and Ralph, I seem to recall ....
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/18/06

Ralph 7477 ,if you're referring to me, I resorted to nothing, it wasn't a search of the internet, History or anything you say ,which proved women indeed can preach. It's indepth study of the KJV of the Bible before I had a computer, running Bible references, and the Greek Lexicon Strongs Book, to confirm meaning of words used. Believe what you will, thats your right,but don't demean or attack others for sharing what they believe in a civilized way, especially when they are courteous enough answer you.
---Darlene_1 on 2/18/06

Mike, you are correct of course. When people run out of ways to support their point through intellect and reason, they turn the focus onto the individual. I have no agenda, but when people try to distort plain understandable verses to support a pet viewpoint, I think it should be addressed. When people resort to church history, internet searches, anecdotes or feelings to "enhance" the meaning of clear scripture, red flags should go up.
---ralph7477 on 2/18/06

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Ralph 7477, no, I'm saying a good husband doesn't command a wife to do anything. A wife isn't a slave to be ordered around. Not rationalizing away nor contradicting. Unappealing? The Word of God is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my way. In researching I found unlearned women were coming into the meetings asking questions of husbands, disrupting services. Maybe New Converts, no "scriptures" to quote,NT is letters written at that time. Grounded Women would've known them as well as the men.
---Darlene_1 on 2/18/06

Ralph, some people here will attack your character or try to avoid the issue if you post your point. It is a common court practice, to cloud the real issue with character assaults.
---mike on 2/18/06

There is a difference between usurping authority over a man and being given a ministry by God, or in the absence of a willing man. The scriptures show that the Lord can use whomsoever He pleases as He pleases. If this were not true, the scripture "for with God nothing shall be impossible" would be a lie. And the word says "let GOD be true, and every man a liar." Katherine.
---Katherine on 2/18/06

Ralph, Your issue with women is evident. You appear to have an agenda to "put us in our place," an attitude that would never have been sanctioned by Paul, or the Lord. Ladies, we cannot change Ralph's mind. He will never listen unless it comes from another man, and even then his apparent bitterness toward women may not let him receive.
---daphn8897 on 2/17/06

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Darlene, in your attempt to rationalize away verses that you find unappealing, you are contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say that a decent husband wouldn't tell his wife to be silent. But then you acknowlege that the women apparently didn't have enough sense to keep silent and not disrupt the service, to the point that Paul had to step in and set them straight. Essentially you are saying that no decent husband would quote scripture to his wife.
---ralph7477 on 2/17/06

Ulrika I am not "throwing" this verse. I responded to those who claim it as saying women cannot be pastors, and tried to show that if you rely on the verse literally, and by itself, it also disallows many men.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

Ulrika ... I am so sorry you think I have tricked you ... there was no intention whatsoever of doing that.
If you go back to my blog of 2/14, you will see I was making this point, and that it was not aimed at anyone, just an observation. I thought you realised that I was continuing the same point as before, and I ddi not alter tack when you became involved in the discussion.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

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