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Are Mary Appariations Demons

Do you think of the appariations of Mary are they real?

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The RCC renouces over 95% of them as hallucinations or purposeful fabrications. But the fruits of Fatima and Lourdes are undeniable. Many have come to faith in Jesus Christ. Mary's role as evangelist hasn't changed in 2000 years.

Luke 2:5 - His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
---Greyrider on 2/15/08


Baal. Horus or Boaz - the Father god.
Astarte, Ishtar, Isis or Joachin - the female-god or goddess
Tammuz, Seth the son-god and reincarnation of Baal

The son-god therefore is worshipped together with his mother. The Father-god is Satan.
---frances on 2/8/08


Around here Mary only appears on tortilla's. Man what a life, show up freak out some people, get about 10,000 people to come and stare. Use up the cities budgets for police overtime. I can only hope that when I die and comeback it is in a chocolate bar, something different.:))
---dan on 2/8/08


There are some Catholic websites that have a lot of the truth about the world on them, like Our Lady of the Roses, and as Greyrider says, she seems to be telling us to obey 'Him'. But that does not make them less evil. In fact it makes them a lot more dangerous and deceiving. Him could be the god of this world, Satan. Go to Lourdes or Fatima and see the kind of poor deceived people that go there, lonely, sick, disadvantaged. It is exploitation. I was one of those deceived people for years.
---frances on 2/8/08


Howdy chipperdoo! Sorry about not getting back to you on OSAS. It went to the bottom of my priority list when I ended up in the hospital in October.

As a start, read Galatians. It pretty well puts to death any notion that our works have anything to do with "earning" God's grace. Salvation is a gift... not a paycheck. Therefore, we cannot unearn something we could never earn to begin with. Our salvation is secure because the giver... God Himself... is secure.

Ta daaaa!
---daphn8897 on 2/8/08




Yes. They are demons

Rev16:14 "they are spirits of devils, working miracles, going forth..to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty"

2Cor11:14 "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light"

Acts2:34 "David is not ascended into the heavens Acts2:29 "the patriarch David is both dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.Eccl9:5 the dead know not any thing.Lev19:31 Regard not..familiar spirits.
---SeventhSeal on 11/7/07


Greyrider :: You got that right.Truth will manifest itself. Scams to put down the authenticity of Truth is a ploy much used by satan to boost his ranks.Only God will open yes not satan.
---Emcee on 11/7/07


Greyrider :: You got that right.Truth will manifest itself. Scams to put down the authenticity of Truth is a ploy much used by satan to boost his ranks.Only God will open yes not satan.
---Emcee on 11/7/07


I agree with the Vatican on this one. There have been thousands of alleged apparitions, they believe that somewhere around 20 have been real. Forget the toast, that's an ebay scam. Fatima and Lourdes are hard to argue with, considering their fruits. Mary's message was always "Do whatever He tells you"
---Greyrider on 11/7/07


Necromancy is conjuring up(entreating) dead spirit in order to talk to spirit for purposes of divination,invoking/ petitioning for help or support. Necromancy comes from Greek nekros meaning "dead" and manteia meaning "divination". It's related to witchcraft or sorcery. Forbidden, Deut18:11 & 12 Or a charmer,or a consulter with familiar spirits,or a wizard,or a necromancer. For all who do these things are an abomination unto the Lord. .
---Darlene_1 on 11/6/07




Well anything is possible with God, but as far as Mary being embedded in burnt toast or a tree branch etc., I dont believe that for one second! As for seeing her appear before certain people, I dont know. I do know that I dont need Mary to get to Jesus. I respect her because she is the Mother of Jesus, but I sure dont pray to her or worship her in any way.
---sue on 11/6/07


With all due respect to those who don't believe this is possible, do you realize you are denying the existence of an all-powerful God by insinuating that He is incapable of sending anyone from heaven back to earth to deliver a message. You are also insinuating that there is no eternal life, that once your body dies, it's all over. You are playing into the atheists' hands. These are the arguments they use against Christians to "show" that we don't really believe the things we say.
---Greyrider on 11/6/07


Thanks Daphie, I had already corrected myself on that but it was not posted.
By the way, you never gave me any NT scriptures for the OSAS thing on the other blog. Couldn't you find any?
---Chipper on 11/5/07


Chipper, Actually it was Saul, not Solomon who went to the witch of Endor.
---daphn8897 on 10/8/07


Andrea, where did the rich man get the idea that he could ask Abraham anything? His sin was not seeking mediums, but failing to use his abilities to help others. Abraham did not grant his request because it was fruitless, not because it was demonic. If Abraham can hear one in Hell, he can hear the living as well.

And Necromancy literally means digging up a dead body in order to consult that person's dead bones to divine the future. We do not do that.
---lorra8574 on 10/7/07


Solomon went to the witch of Endor to conjure up Samuel, who was dead, and God was highly displeased with this act. Solomon suffered greatly because of it.
---Chipper on 10/7/07


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Luke 16:24 - The rich man was praying to Abraham, and not even Jesus condemned this practice. He even gave it as an example, even if the larger purpose was to show something else.
---lorra8574 on 9/6/07

Lorra - it is significant that you mentioned this one time a prayer to the dead was answered.
WHERE WAS THE RICH MAN?
necromancy is demonic

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
---Andrea on 9/8/07


JodyMartin::You do appear like another upset Female.But I will not argue with one who is saved full of self confidence pumped to the point of fulfilment & looks down on poor me a sinner.However what I said is in the book If you look real hard you may find itif not then Matt11::25 will be your description.She The Mother will continue to exist.She will pray for those who have recourse to Her.The Father will NOT entertain defilement
---Emcee on 9/7/07


Mima::I feel humble when you approach me with your bleeding heart.But you still have this insistence, I worship Mary.But then that is your finding, not mine. I said You will find Jesus THROUGH Mary."My soul doth Magnify the Lord My Saviour"You have attacked Mary on many an occassion I defended her on the basis that she was The mother of My Saviour she deserves Respect.If you want happiness seek,use her Humility & obedience as a yardstick.
---Emcee on 9/7/07


Emcee) I really do not have a problem with Death/Life. But you are spiritually confused. Please show me from scripture where Mary is our"link" to Jesus and that WE are Mary's "children". I am a child of God. I need no "link" to get to Jesus but Jesus is my "link" to Father God. I hurt for you. Truely,you are decieved. You have been told and now it is turning into SELF DECEPTION because you will not accept the truth. Are you Saved? I will pray for you.
---jody_martin on 9/7/07


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Emcee) I really do not have a problem with Death/Life. But you are spiritually confused. Please show me from scripture where Mary is our"link" to Jesus and that WE are Mary's "children". I am a child of God. I need no "link" to get to Jesus but Jesus is my "link" to Father God. I hurt for you. Truely,you are decieved. You have been told and now it is turning into SELF DECEPTION because you will not accept the truth. Are you Saved? I will pray for you.
---jody_martin on 9/7/07


Emcee wrote: By acknowledging Jesus,not mary we play into the hands of satan.so we have to belong to both Jesus and Mary they form a side.the fight between Good against evil starts here.

PLEASE tell me this was a typo!! We have to belong to MARY AND JESUS???!!! NOT JUST JESUS???!!! Where in the world does it say that in the bible? False doctrine run amuck! So...I guess that's why Mary AND Jesus hung on the cross together, side by side, so they could BOTH die for our sins??? NOT!
---Holly4jc on 9/7/07


1) Emcee wrote: The former are living in christ,the latter are DEAD TO CHRIST, their fate is sealed.Mary is not dead to christ she lives in christ is still alive,accessible by her apparations...

So then anyone who has died (left their earthly body but is alive in Christ) can appear in apparition form...since you claim Mary can and does. So with that understanding, than any old ghostly looking thing (according to your theology)...
---Holly4jc on 9/7/07


2)...that appears to us can claim to be someone who is dead in their body, but alive in Christ and back here making an appearance in apparition form. Perhaps that's EXACTLY why the bible warns us of trying to conjure up the dead. We are NOT to do it or seek to have ANY kind of communication with the dead (departed from the body, even if they are alive in Christ). Gee...wonder why Paul, Peter or Moses don't make appearances...especially Peter, since y'all claim he was the first pope.
---Holly4jc on 9/7/07


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3) Yes...as someone stated on some blog somewhere before...all of these apparitions are just "familiar spirits" playing head games with people, leading them astray and daring them to disobey God's Word about contacting the dead or having communication with them. The devil always knows what he is doing and always has a plan, contrary to God's will and instructions and he knows exactly what to do that will prove a convincing argument against the counsel of the Lord, like he did with Eve.
---Holly4jc on 9/7/07


Jody martin::I think you have some difficulty with the words Life,death.Death is a cessation of life on this EARTH.The new life starts thereafter. Those who died in the grace of Jesus, those who failed.The former are living in christ,the latter are DEAD TO CHRIST, their fate is sealed.Mary is not dead to christ she lives in christ is still alive,accessible by her apparations,the link between us,her son JESUS Her Godour god.Jesus trusted her as a boy on this earth so must we her children.
---Emcee on 9/6/07


Jody martin:: Those dead to christ cannot return.The unholy spirits that appear but not as Our lady.Gen3:15Satan cannot get even close to her God separated her from his wiles at her conception."I shall put enmity between thee and the woman Her seed and your seed."this gives us a choice which seed do we want to belong to.By acknowledging Jesus,not mary we play into the hands of satan.so we have to belong to both Jesus and Mary they form a side.the fight between Good against evil starts here.
---Emcee on 9/6/07


Andrea, it is good to be skeptical, we are to test every spirit to see "if" it is from God. The majority of apparitions were condemned as false, only a handful have satisfied the rigorous testing as prescribed by the Bible and upheld by the Church.

Funny that you that you should mention praying to Abraham. Luke 16:24 - The rich man was praying to Abraham, and not even Jesus condemned this practice. He even gave it as an example, even if the larger purpose was to show something else.
---lorra8574 on 9/6/07


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---Emcee my heart bleeds for you. I agree what is of God leads to God. But what is of God does not lead to mary. I agree that she was highly favored among women. I would agree that she was the most honored woman of all time but I cannot agree that she should be worshiped. She herself mentioned her son was her savior!!! My concern is that you will worship mary and bring about your damnation to an eternal hell. I know my words are hard but I cannot tell you but what I believe is the truth.
---Mima on 9/6/07


Emcee)Respectfully I understand the importance of your belief. I to hold the Virgin Mary in the Highest regard. However,Jesus made that statement on the cross while He and Mary were still alive. Mary is dead. Jesus is alive. Familiar spirits take the form of those closest to your heart in order to manipulate God's people. It is their function and they are demons who are designated for that prupose. What better form of the Dead to take than the Blessed Mary to destroy Many through false worship/idolatry:)
---jody_martin on 9/6/07


1)lorra - I have a genuine fear of people involved with nercromancy - have some experiences pre-saved. When I study the OT - God was not happy with anyone doing this - so when I hear of apparitions etc and we are warned in the last days - my sense is to be very very skeptical.
The same with praying to dead people -
Cont-
---Andrea on 9/5/07


I read about what the early church said about Mary and yes the Protestant church should teach more on the early church fathers.

Jesus gave us an example of how to pray - he never mentions praying to Abraham(father of the faith) or anyone else deceased.
----Jesus is not deceased.


as many times as he mentions the patriarchs
he never says ask them anything.
---Andrea on 9/5/07


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Mima:: What is of God POINTS to God, is not deceptive as your words which speaks untruths.Take my Advice"in some cases Silence is Golder"
---Emcee on 9/5/07


I agree with the following phrase from Jody Martin's answer."The Bible talks of familiar spirits and I believe that these appariations are them. They are for the purpose decieving people to worship and to pray to mary."
---Mima on 9/5/07


Jody Martin::I cannot ask you to change your belief,But you are wrong."Mother Behold your son"you are part of that equation.
---Emcee on 9/4/07


Andrea, it is part of it, but not solely. This passage by itself only shows that the ones who died before (as mentioned in Hebrews 11) are witnesses to the truth. But the NT promises us Eternal Life, and there are passages showing that the saints from before are alive in Christ - Moses, Elijah, Enoch and Abraham - capable to communicating with Jesus and reacting. Revelation shows the intercession of the saints - how else could the Elders have our prayers to offer upon the Altar of Our Lord?
---lorra8574 on 9/4/07


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The Bible talks of familiar spirits and I believe that these appariations are them. They are for the purpose decieving people to worship and to pray to mary so as to sin(idolatry)and possibly eventuate into the loss of their salvation.
---jody_martin on 9/4/07


Andrea::Dialogue with the almighty cannot be pigeon holed.Each of us are different parts of His celestial Puzzle.To believe Or disbelieve on the basis of ones free will is like questioning the Almighty. HE created The woman from Genesis Trust & silence are more important than finger pointing.Seek the kingdom of God & all things shall be added unto you.If in your endeavour you fall in the mire it is because you did not follow His Direction.Finally you will appeal to Him.He is the Judge.
---Emcee on 9/4/07


lorra - there are many flies in the ointment - some mine - I'm sure you know some yours
Hbr 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

I thought this was one of their reasons for praying to the saints (witnesses)

there is basis for most RCC doctrine - I think they take it to far
---Andrea on 9/4/07


Helen, Jesus is the Son of God, of course He knew exactly what His mother wanted of Him, and she knew it too when she instructed the wine stewards to do whatever Jesus asked them to do. John 2:5.

Now that is a truly devoted Son who understands His mother's will and does it at the merest hint.
---lorra8574 on 9/3/07


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Andrea, the only fly in your ointment is that none of the saints are based on any of the pagan gods, they were real people. And most importantly, none of them are considered to be gods at all. We believe what Christ promised. Why do so many unbelievers insist that Christians do not have eternal life?
---lorra8574 on 9/3/07


"Marcia - Oopsies! LOL! Yes, Rahab was a prostitute, not Ruth. :) That's what I get for staying up so late. LOL.
---Helen_5378 on 8/1/07"

And now, I understand the joke, too.
Thanks Helen, for clearing everything up.
---Tim on 9/3/07


Mary worship has a long history in the Rc and the fact that they do nothing to stop it is troubling. Most people don't realize that this was unknown in the early church and was added to replace the many goddesses that were worshiped by pagans. I used to think this was a benign way of converting people but after researching it I have changed my mind.
---Andrea on 8/4/07


If I don't worship other gods, just venerate them is that ok. if I pray to other gods is that ok too. If I decide I need buddah and mohammed and Jesus is that ok?
Venerate means to adore
Worship means to adore
If I kneel and pray to a staue is that worship or JUST veneration?
---Andrea on 8/4/07


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Hey Chip::Watch where you are standing its sinking sand,you need to get on the ROCK matt16:17-19See you there.
---Emcee on 8/4/07


Jerry! Yes the angel did Hail Mary!
Why? Because the angel was sent by God...to do God's will alone. The angel serves God..and therefore did what God wanted Him to do...which was to report and Hail Mary. If it's good enough for God and His angels, then it's good enough for me!
You can not deny the Mother of the Lord and her most important purpose resulting in Jesus our Salvation. To be a vessel of Honor is a great role to play in the most important Historical moment in time!
---Lisa on 8/4/07


Lisa - On reading John 2:1-12 it appears that nobody asked Jesus to turn the water into wine! Please correct me if I am wrong.
---Helen_5378 on 8/4/07


Maybe Chipper you also are on a rocking horse.
---alan_of_UK on 8/4/07


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Emcee and other RCC & C's on here are like a child on a rocking-horse going back and forth but not going anywhere. They have a good time but make no progress and cannot get off of the same spot they started from.
---Chipper on 8/4/07


Reuben: "The only women [sic] that God said "Hail, etc." According to my Bible, it was an angel - not God - that spoke to Mary.
---jerry6593 on 8/4/07


Ruben- Jesus is God,Creator & Redeemer. The Bible is about Him & His plan of salvation. There were many faithful to God & used by Him for His purposes. I'm sure we'll see them in heaven. I look forward to that!

However they, though faithful & used of God, are dead having done their bit & passed on. This does denigrate them as they & others said yes to God, through faith. They were sinners needing redeemption as Mary for example openly admitted.
---Warwick on 8/3/07


Warwick-So what was Mary's part? Along with many others she entered, said her few words & left.


But what was her Part? (1)To be the carrier of the word of God in the flesh.(2) To be called "the mother of my Lord".(3) The only women that God said "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you".(4) The only woman ever bore God in her womb.(5) The only woman who was "overshadowed" by the Holy Spirit. Does this sound like all the others?
---Ruben on 8/3/07


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Birds of a feather!!!sheesh, same paint same brush.same scene all- hellfire & brimstone.Will we ever get rain & green grass.
---Emcee on 8/3/07


bill said "the mother of Jesus said to Him,They have no wine,'""Jesus said to her, 'Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?'"
You deleted the rest or don't care to keep the words within context. Isn't that a sin?
The Blessed Mother Mary said "Do whatever HE(Jesus) tells you!"
And then what did Jesus do? he did what His Mother requested of Him!!!!!!
Jesus, at the request of His Mother, changed the water to wine in Cana! He honored His Mother Mary.
---Lisa on 8/3/07


Well said Warwick :-)
---Holly4jc on 8/3/07


1
If we should view Scripture as a play- Genesis to Revelation-the one & only star is Jesus, Creator & Redeemer. He is The Alpha & The Omega, The Beginning & The End, The First & The last. It is his story.

So what was Mary's part? Along with many others she entered, said her few words & left.

Was she greater than John The Baptist of whom Jesus said there was none born greater? Obviously not.
---Warwick on 8/3/07


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2
Why then the worship, the adulation, the tearful prayers to Mary Queen of Heaven? Because she was part of the pagan trinity of heavenly beings known in pagan religion.

When the RCC divests itself of its pagan elements & bends the knee to Christ alone then my prayers will have been answered.
---Warwick on 8/3/07


Marcia - What are you on about? I know you got the joke. I got the joke too. I still laugh when I read it.
---Helen_5378 on 8/2/07


After "the mother of Jesus said to Him, 'They have no wine,'"
"Jesus said to her, 'Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?'" > see John 2:3-4.

But Mary the sister of Lazarus and Martha "sat at Jesus' feet and heard His word." (Luke 10:39) And Jesus stood up for HER (Luke 10:38-42) > I think Jesus had a girlfriend, at least one like Mary who understood Jesus and so she sat at His feet and listened to Him.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/2/07


Emcee: Sorry...Mary is not QUEEN of my universe or listed as such in MY Bible. Jesus IS King of Kings, Lord of Lords in my Bible and He is the King of my universe and all the universe.
---Holly4jc on 8/2/07


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The blessed Mother of our Lord was filled with the Holy Spirit. Therefore she is saying it is not I that live, but Christ that lives in me! Elizabeth also being filled with the Holy Spirit exclaimed "Blessed are you among woman and blessed is the fruit of your womb." These women who filled and led by the power of God in everyday shape an form. the angel of God sent by God to even Hail Mary at the salute to her. Mary had the greatest purpose of all women ever.
---Lisa on 8/2/07


Holly ::Until & unless you are able to discover the origion of The Immaculate CONCEPTION,you will suffer these delusions & search for plausible ways to explain yourself against the WORD ODF GOD.Mary gained Popularity not only by carrying Jesus but by her example in humility & meekness."the meek shall inherit the earth""She is known as Queen of the Universe:-()
---Emcee on 8/2/07


Helen_5378

I am usally a laid back person and not quick to scold someone when I know what they ment.
I got the joke. It made me laugh and I appreciate it. Its not a sin to have a since of humor. Even God has a since of Humor. Proverb 15:30 states the light of the eyes rejoices the heart.

Smiles to you sister.
---Marcia on 8/2/07


Emcee: Are you ashamed of Rahab or is it that she is being compared to Mary. God is no respecter of person. You cannot say to one sit here, and to the other stand there. You would be make evil judgements in doing this. God's kingdom is not being built through blood it is being built through Faith. Mary was adopted into the family of God through faith and she like us all will cry out abba to God.
---Marcia on 8/2/07


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Ruben: Mary was declaring that all generations will call her "blessed". This was HER statement, not God's. She was in such awe of being chosen by God (blessed) that she stated that everyone would acknowledge her as blessed.

Luke 1:47-49
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. 48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant, For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed. 49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy is His name.
---Holly4jc on 8/1/07


1) Being "chosen by God/Blessed" by God to do ANYTHING for Him is a true miracle. I feel very blessed when God uses me to do His work. Nothing brings more joy and Mary was expressing how much joy she felt inside having been chosen by God to fulfill His plan. Mary was so humble and totally amazed at God's having chosen her, she recognized how blessed she was and knew that others would also recognize it.
---Holly4jc on 8/1/07


2) Esther was blessed (favored of God) and was chosen by God to save the Jews. If she had not been obedient, then perhaps Mary would not have ever been born. Everyone has a role to play, we are all chosen for God's plans and purposes and every person is important in the grand scheme of things. We all need to say "yes Lord" just like Mary did, just like Esther and many others did.
---Holly4jc on 8/1/07


Helin,Unholy Marcia::You 3 collaborators seem to be having what you may consider as fun,digging deep into unfathomable depths which we all know lie in the POH.Unfortunately the lineage of Jesus (Adam2) & Mary are in the word in the line of David.So that is safe except from your imaginative little budding entertaining mischievous minds.
---Emcee on 8/1/07


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Marcia - Oopsies! LOL! Yes, Rahab was a prostitute, not Ruth. :) That's what I get for staying up so late. LOL.
---Helen_5378 on 8/1/07


Alan of UK:

Thats what I ment when I said looking at it from a worldly since

Mary is Jesus Mother.

But if you look at it from a spiritual since Mary is not Jesus mother, She is his sister.

I know it's deep.
---Marcia on 8/1/07


Helen_5378

When I saw your post I had the laugh of the day. I know you ment Rahab who also was a great, great, great, great, great , great etc grandmother of Jesus. When you look at it from the World Perspective.
---Marcia on 8/1/07


*....Mary to carry the Holy seed. None of these women are related to Jesus.*

That has no merit in the Holy Scriptures Marcia!. Yet another example of "people's opinion", as if they matter.

Mary was not just a "carrier". She gave Jesus His Flesh. Mary "Conceived" (a baby wasn't just put in Mary's Womb) according to Luke. His divine Nature of course given to Him by God.

Mary was 100% Jesus' Mother. The Mother of My Lord!!!! (Luke 1:43)
---Ramon on 8/1/07


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Emcee: You're right, God chose Mary to fulfill the role of birthing Jesus...so why don't all you people who are worshipping and having this love affair with Mary, worship the ONE who started the whole process. God is the one who initiated it, God is the one that caused it to happen. Mary was just a vessel used for GOD'S PLAN, just as all Christians are. Worship God, not Mary. You are worshiping the "created" not the CREATOR. What an insult to God. Lord, forgive them.
---Holly4jc on 8/1/07


Marcia The Bible says that Mary conceived, and bore Jesus her son.
(He is the Son of God, but that does not mean Mary could nopt be His mother)
Mary was Jesus' earthy mother.
If you deny this, you deny the Bible record.
---alan_of_UK on 8/1/07


Marcia - ("and Ruth is the Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandmother of Jesus.") -- Amen. And guess what? This will upset a few of you religious ones reading this. Ruth was a prostitute!
---Helen_5378 on 8/1/07


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