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Is Sin Stopping The Holy Spirit

I've been baptized for more than 2 years but haven't received the Holy Spirit. Is it because I still am sinful?

Moderator - No, it is because you don't understand the scriptures yet. When you accepted Jesus Christ into your heart, you received the Holy Spirit. The infilling of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is a Gift of the Holy Spirit which only some Christians will have. That may or may not be the Gift God gives you.

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Yes, we should realize that the gifts of the Holy Spirit can be counterfeit. Some cults - the Way Interantional even has a chapter on how to speak in tongues, and the Book of Mormons tells of those who would believe will speak in tongues. 2 Nephi 31:13f

I pointed this out to my Mormon relative and she simply replied that she never seen any need for speaking in tongues. However, she refuse to reject the experience.

What I have observed is those churches that promote tongues often proclaim the gift was given when someone murmurs something unintelligible. And then when the 'recipent' goes home very confused, they are told they have received only the 'sign' gift.
---leej on 1/1/11


I myself regularly see the counterfeit of tongues in the church today. Paul spoke more in tongues than anyone because his ministy was with the gentiles - tongues being another known language. Yes, I know of one "believer" who stood up in a congregation who stood up and spoke in another known language and it was revealed he was blaspheming God in that language. Personally I have seen spiritualists and those involved in black arts speaking in what the church would call tongues.
My warning - beware the counterfeit, especially at this time because it is rife in the church. May the Lord Jesus bless you all in your understanding on this subject and lead you into all truth by his spirit.
---Robert on 1/1/11


The baptism of the Holy Spirit needs to be recieved just like any other gift including salvation itself. Luk 11:13 "As bad as you are, you still know how to give good gifts to your children. But your heavenly Father is even more ready to give the Holy Spirit to anyone who asks."
Acts4:31,Acts8:15, And Acts19:6 show clearly that the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit is a separate happening that happened to people after they believed.
---john on 11/27/07


This statement is very questionable"Even though Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost, he wasn't baptized by the Holy Ghost until he was baptized by John". Did Jesus live his first 30 years on earth without the Holy Spirit? At the age of 12 he astounded the best Jewish scholars with his understanding. Could he have done this without Holy Spirit. Scripture says he had the Holy Spirit without measure. Without measure means He had it all.
---Mima on 11/27/07


Ryan: but look at the scriptures in John 1:25-34. Even though Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost, he wasn't baptized by the Holy Ghost until he was baptized by John. The Holy Ghost formed into a dove and landed onto Jesus. If one opens their heart and ears and let the Holy Ghost lead them into understanding this, they will understand it.
---Rebecca_D on 11/26/07




I was going to ask upon the same lines as Shira because the bible mentions several baptisms.
1. Baptized into the body--salvation(1Corinthians 12:13)(Romans 10:9)
2. Baptism in the Holy Spirit(Acts 1:8;Mark 16:17; Luke 3:16)
3. Baptism in water(Matthew 28:19)
---Rickey on 11/26/07


dear friend, you say you have been baptized, but have you been born again into the family of God. Then and only then will the Holy Spirit dwell in you. The next step is baptism. That is a public announcement that you are saved and want the whole world to know.
---shira on 3/9/07


Rebecca D...Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. Jesus had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit from the millisecond of conception, that is part of His divinity. As He grew He matured in the Holy Spirit thereby setting the example for the Christian to continue to grow in the Holy Spirit from the millisecond he is made a new creature from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
---Ryan on 7/10/06


What is the evidence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Is it not the production of fruit? Peace, patience, joy, faithfullness, kindness, gentleness, love, self-control. If these are not evident in your life than you are not a "Good tree producing good fruit." If this has not happend you have not given your heart, mind and soul over to the power of the Holy Spirit.
---Ryan on 7/9/06


In Luke 4:1 it says when Jesus was full of the Holy Ghost...Jesus didn't recieve the baptism of the Holy Ghost until after John baptised him. Read Jn 1:33, Jn 7:39, Acts 2:33, Acts 2:38, 4:31, 8:15, 17, 10:38, 19:2-7. I hope you understand a little more, and I hope that I didn't confuse you. If I did, I am sorry.
---Rebecca_D on 1/20/06




Because God convicted me of my sins and I asked him to forgive me and for him to come into my life and clean my house. I have not yet been baptised by the Holy Spirit. When John baptised Jesus, that is when Jesus recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost, as it says in the bible, the spirit of the Lord rested on Jesus like a dove. There is only one Holy Spirit, but we are not all baptised by that spirit. But Jesus will baptised us with the Holy Ghost and with fire.
---Rebecca_D on 1/20/06


Rebecca D..Please tell me how you KNOW you receive the Holy Spirit when you are "Saved", without being baptised by the Holy Spirit/ You are inferring there are 2 Holy Spirits,one on belief and one for baptism.My bible tells me there is ONE spirit, not 2 infillings..P.S I am baptised with Holy Spirit, I never felt saved before then, even though I loved God.
---karin on 1/20/06


A person may recieve the Holy Spirit when they first get saved but they do not get baptised by the Holy Spirit (Ghost) at that time. This is a gift that God gives a person who truely desires this and will use it for God's glory.
---Rebecca_D on 1/18/06


Are the Mormons a cult?

Moderator - Yes
---Hershey on 1/18/06


Have you earnestly sought God? to receive His Holy Spirit..in THAT day , you will know that He is in you& you are in Him(John14;16).If you desire to receive His holy spirit, He will give Him to you.. After I received Holy Spirit (infilling confirmed by speaking in tongues) EVERYTHING changed; God's word became ALIVE in a way I could never have imagined..non/speakers, dont knock something you havent received..believe and receive this wonderful confirmation, a lifechanging free GIFT, given by Jesus.
---karin on 1/18/06


I have found that when many people recieve the LORD they expect the to get some felling or another.when you recieved Jesus into your heart and made him lord and savior you recieved the Holy spirit. that is a promise of GOD. look back on your life and see how the LORD hase changed you.
---willow on 1/18/06


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Part 3: Rebecca-Acts 2:38 was written to the Jews not Gentiles...See Acts 2:36 ..Let all the house of Isreal know. If you do not recieve the Holy Spirit when you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...how are you saved? Eph 1:13 ". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," If a person does not have the Spirit of Christ, he has no business waiting for the baptism of the Holy Ghost, because he doesn't even belong to Christ.
Romans 8:9
---Steve on 1/17/06


The apostals recieved the Holy Spirit yet did not speak in tongues until pentacost. The people before pentacost...was there any evidence that they recieved the Holy Spirit. Abraham? Enoch? The thief on the Cross? Did any of those have the Holy Spirit?

Moderator - The Holy Spirit rarely came upon mankind in the Old Testament. Do a word search in your Bible to answer your questions.
---Steve on 1/17/06


Funny how the moderator will only answer some of the questions or part. You say you have seen preachers notes that state other wise...I say I have seen history papers that say oppisite of what you said. One of us is wrong so we can only go by what the bible says.

Moderator - History proves the Spiritual Gifts never stopped. Study how the denominations were formed for further information.
---Steve on 1/17/06


Act 2:38 says that Peter is telling people that they need to get baptised for the remission of your sins and ye shall recieve the Holy Ghost. That is not talking about conversion. Acts 2:1-4, 2:17 10:44-48, 11:16, 19:2-6, Joel 2:28-19, Matthew 3:11,16. The baptism of the Holy Ghost doesn't happen when one gets saved, this is different.
---Rebecca_D on 1/17/06


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Moderator: What was the evidence of the HOLY SPIRIT between the crusifixion and the day of pentacost? Why is it that there is no historical record of anyone speaking in tongues since the book of Acts till the year 1901? Do you denigh it was a sign for unbelieving Jews? Can God not understand your natural born langauge?

Moderator - Acts to 1901. Sorry, but you are greatly misinformed. I have seen pre-1901 preacher notes that prove that myth wrong.
---Steve on 1/17/06


Molly you say "My posts are ALWAYS quite clear, thank you. It's not my problem some cannot comprehend them"
Yes ... I know how difficult it is to deal with people who are not so intelligent and do not understand what I say. It is always happening to me. Not MY fault though!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


Someone said, "The infilling of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is a Gift of the Holy Spirit which only some Christians will have." What about the "infilling" of the Holy Spirit with the "evidence" of helps? Why are we not hearing about that gift? We brag about tongues how about bragging about helps? What do we think that gift of Helps is?

Moderator - Let's also add the gift of administration, the gift of giving and many more. I agree too many Christians can get caught up in one point and not see there are 100 other gifts that are needed within the Body of Christ for the Church to function properly.
---Elder on 1/17/06


My posts are ALWAYS quite clear, thank you. It's not my problem some cannot comprehend them. I know what I believe, I know what the word says, and I'm firm in those beliefs, and I'm not afraid to speak the truth.

Moderator - You also have been free to be sarcastic which will get you blocked in the future.
---Molly on 1/17/06


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The baptism of the Holy Ghost is what happens at the moment of conversion. This happens only one time. There can be many filling of the Holy Ghost if we allow the Holy Spirit His way in our lives.

For instance: I may be preaching and before I know it I may be preaching on a subject that I hadn't prepared for, for that sermon. but it is still in line with the message.

Being filled with the Holy Ghost has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.
---Rev_Herb on 1/17/06


Molly: Are you saying if one doesn't have this gift then they are struggling? I understood your past comments but that last one was a bit confusing. I believe in speaking in tongues but don't desire it, so therefore God won't give me this gift just because I believe in it. One has to have a sincere desire to recieve this gift.
---Rebecca_D on 1/17/06


Mod .. how right yuo are when you say "I agree nobody knows the whole truth but God. However, I believe Christians do understand the majors about God because they are clearly laid out in the scriptures" It is a question of what are the "majors" It's quite clear that not all Christians have the gift of tongues, yet we have some here saying that it an essential to being a Christian.

Moderator - Correct, some people will always major on the minors.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


never said one HAD to speak in tongues to be saved, did I? NO. I SAID....the infilling of the Holy Ghost is a gift that God desires to give everybody who believes. Though I'LL never understand why, some Christians will still choose to struggle along without the power of this gift operating in their life though- hmm, go figure.

Moderator - Your statements and thoughts were unclear leaving one to guess at your points in previous posts. Please make your points clear in the future. Thanks.
---Molly on 1/17/06


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Steve, what have you done to your poor bible?! It must look like it has been run over by a truck, it is so TWISTED
---Sis on 1/17/06


pt 2: THAT is a gift that was meant for everybody- Acts 2:39 "And the promise is unto you and to your children and to all those that are afar off, EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL." And as for this- "If one doubts that all don't have the Gift of tongues, then just go to various churches" -that doesn't prove anything except that man decides what he likes and dislikes about the Bible, and starts a denomination based on it. That's been going on for years, so what?

Moderator - It proves all Christians don't speak in tongues. Unless you believe one must speak in tongues to be saved?
---Molly on 1/17/06


Mod- the 'gift of tongues' you spoke about is referring to the public demonstration of tongues as a sign to unbelievers, which should be followed by the enterpretation by one who has THAT gift. It is true that not everyone will have this gift of tongues, but that is different from the infilling of the Holy Ghost which allows the believer to communicate with God on a deeper level, in prayer and worship.

Moderator - I totally understand what you are saying. However, every Christian doesn't have that Gift. United Pentecostals have that belief and would say a person doesn't have the Holy Spirit and therefore isn't saved without speaking in tongues. A false doctrine.
---Molly on 1/17/06


Mod ... to refer to a discussion we have elsewhere, this is another instance where some will say "If you don't ... you can't be a Christian" In this case it is speaking in tongues, in another it may be being baptised, or worshipping on Saturday. Or it may be you won't go to heaven if you like metal music. So many dogmatic "I know the whole truth" statements. But I KNOW THIS "No-one knows the whole truth, except God"

Moderator - I agree nobody knows the whole truth but God. However, I believe Christians do understand the majors about God because they are clearly laid out in the scriptures.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06


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Pentecost was never a religious movement, or a religious experience. It was a Jewish feast day which always occured fifty days after Passover (Lev. 23:15-22).It is better to speak five words clearly than ten thousand with an unknown tongue.1Corinthians 14:19 Women were not allowed to speak in tongues in the church. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 A religious man who does not bridle his tongue is deceived and he has a vain religion. James 1:26
---Steve on 1/16/06


If a person does not have the Spirit of Christ, he has no business waiting for the baptism of the Holy Ghost, because he doesn't even belong to Christ. (Romans 8:9)
There were only three cases in the Book of Acts where people spoke in tongues (not unknown tongues), and these tongues were a sign to the Jews each time, because the Jews require a sign.Acts 2:1-11 ,Acts 10:44-46,Acts 19:6-86

Moderator - Read the other scriptures already quoted for more examples including Paul himself who stated that he spoke in tongues more than others.
---Steve on 1/16/06


Paul said that all true Christians were baptized into the body of Christ by the Holy Ghost (1 Cor. 12:13), and all true Christians were sealed with the Holy Ghost until the day of redemption (Eph. 4:30), but all Christians did not speak in tongues. The Bible never says that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is a second Christian experience or blessing.

Moderator - I also stated that all WILL NOT have the Gift of tongues. Also agree with the second statement because the scripture says it is a GIFT not an experience.
---Steve on 1/16/06


Moderator: You have got to be kidding me. Acts chap 2 was speaking to unbelieving JEWS. Tongues are a sign(1 cor 14:22) Jews seek signs not gentiles(1 Cor 1:22)These signs were spoken in the past tence(2 Cor 12:12)You recieve the Holy spirit upon believing (Eph 1:13)Those who speak in tongues have power over their own spirit(1 Cor 14:32)Tongues is a forien langauge(Acts 2:7-11)

Moderator - Sorry, that you have never seen a miracle of God. I have seen hundreds throughout the world. Those miracles either happened due to God or Satan. As according to scripture, there are still miracles. One is treading on thin ice to say that the works of the Holy Spirit is Satan.
---Steve on 1/16/06


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sorry, -Where do you get your scriptural basis for the comment you made above in response to this bloggers question, "The infilling of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is a Gift of the Holy Spirit which only some Christians will have. That may or may not be the Gift God gives you."

Moderator - 1 Corinthians Chapter 12 - 14 lists the Spiritual Gifts and their uses. Every Christian will not have every Gift according to the scriptures. Therefore, not all Christians will have the Gift of tongues. If one doubts that all don't have the Gift of tongues, then just go to various churches.
---Molly on 1/16/06


Your comment above, in response to this bloggers question- "...The infilling of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is a Gift of the Holy Spirit which only some Christians will have. That may or may not be the Gift God gives you."
---Molly on 1/16/06


If you are Born Again, Ask God for a greater measure of His Spirit. Seek the Gifts..Rom.12:6-8, 1 Corin. 12:4-31, Eph.4:7-16. I received while in a solemn assembly, on my face..
---Lynn on 1/14/06


No, it is because you have not been saved yet. If you have been saved, you have received the Holy Spirit already. He doesn't come many times in and out. He stays in you forever, and when He does come, He does not come in parts, He has no parts but is Spirit. Baptism does not save you.
---Lupe2618 on 1/14/06


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Moderator, where do you get your scriptural basis for that comment?

Moderator - You have to quote me for a response. I am not viewing things when approving.
---Molly on 1/12/06


There is several places in the N.T. were there are believers who had not as yet recieved the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and then recieved Him. The promise is for everyone. I had people ay hands on me and I recieved it. Maybe you have some people around you who can help you too. If you are hungry God will fill you.
---john on 1/12/06


The baptism in the Holy Spirit is for every believer. If you read the book of Acts, after each person got saved they spoke in tongues. In 1Corinthians 12 the tongues there were for prophecy. Jude 20 applies to each believer. I Corinthians 14:2,14 let's us know that our spirit pray in harmony with the Holy Spirit when we pray in the spirit.
As soon as you ask for the baptism in the Holy Spirit Jesus does it. Then all you have to do use your faith and speak in other tongues.
---Rickey on 1/12/06


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