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Would JESUS agree with the selling of books and music tapes inside a church building?

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Steven, there is no twisting of words here. I told you:
"Mark_V. wrote: "Obviously you do not attend any church. And so you criticize all Churches." and you answered with:
"Christians ARE the church - not buildings."
Christians gather together in what is call in the bible the church. The gathering of Christians is the Church. Not the buildings. Yet they gather together in many places. And what you do is condemn their gathering. Christians are in every church of Christ. You even told us you teach-ed in some churches. You were there, teaching, and turn around and condemn them. Is that not hypocritical? You even mentioned that satan created them, in the very place where you taught.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/13


Mark_V. wrote: "Obviously you do not attend any church. And so you critize all Churches."

Christians ARE the church - not buildings.

Mark_V. wrote: "You want nothing to do with the gathering of believers so you condemn the places where they gather,.."

Why do you continually lie and twist my (and other's) posts. I'm not against the meeting of genuine christians. I'm against man-made denominational churches which are a detriment to the maturing of a christian. You really need to open your eye and ears to listen to the Holy Spirit on spiritual matters.
---Steveng on 12/3/13


Steven, you denied on another blog you do not condemn the gathering of believers. But you do, and did it again. Do you not realize that where a true believer gathers, Christ is there present? Obviously you do not attend any church. And so you critize all Churches. You believe if you can gather with your next door neighbor that is good enough, and everyone should do what you do. Meet at your house because you are truly saved, and the others who gather are not. You want nothing to do with the gathering of believers so you condemn the places where they gather, even tell everyone they were created by Satan. Whom you believe completely controls all of the earth. Again, you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/13


Steven, you should not make blanket statements about denominations. I am baptist and we support missions, pay our pastor and upkeep of the bldg and yard. have you ever been in a baptist church in the south. I'm not talking southern baptist either. southern baptist use to be on fire but the fire has gone out in baptist churches.
---shira4368 on 12/2/13


If a church cannot survive with only donations from members without being bribed to donate, then it isn't from the heart of the member of that church. Denominational churches today depend on marketing and consumerism, the selling of "things," to bring in money for staff support, upkeep of building and landscaping, to purchase sound equipment, repairs, etc where a small fraction actually goes to the poor and needy.

The true church of God does not have staff to pay, buildings/landscape to upkeep, equipment to purchase, repairs of the aforementioned, etc. 100% of our donations go directly to the poor and needy. Our assembly is where two or more are gathered (a cafe, a street corner, a park, or one's home).
---Steveng on 12/1/13




no. He condemns selling in the church or even the courtyard. and it wasn't on the Sabbath or Passover. modern churches justify selling in all sorts of ways. but I have not found any to be compelling at all.
---laurie on 12/1/13


Thankyou all Respect, bro.Mark and yes,sad but true! I can truly say it bother me, .they always had alot of attitude, complain alot ,they be the 1st "we bring all the food cook.."
what the use if you complain??
I would have stay at home.My opinion do from the heart, or not at all.
---Lidia4796 on 8/29/13


Sis. Lidia, I too cannot believe what happened at your church during dinner. That was terrible. The passage that comes to mind is the passage where Jesus said, "For I was hungry and you gave Me no food" (Matt. 25:42). He says that to those on the left hand who are cursed into the everlasting fire. Those people who did that, at that church could not be Christians.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/13


Thankyou Mary,so good just be here both ,all of us..smiles,you have such a good heart..lol friends are forever!
Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 8/29/13


some who do not believe in gambling have life insurance. after all we are gambling that the insured won't live and the insurance co is betting you will live so their investment will pay off.
---shira4368 on 8/29/13




Hi Lidia, that is terrible how those kids were treated, I'm very sorry you all had a bad experience. At my church it's awesome at potlucks although I hate the wait lol :D God bless you hon, love and hugs, Mary :)
---Mary on 8/28/13


While,we at it,let me add ( welcome any views) I am not perfect,but I think what really hurt me,against the activities in church,when 3 small kids wanted extra plate of food,they were refused!

I got angry,had made ribs slab & it burn me up!
Stupid people "who claim to be christians" play the ugly with me,said "they not getting NO more,food! & if you keep bug me,you neither!"
It took all I am NOT to go " bolistic!"

But instead I told them,count me out
I will not attend anymore dinners,no activites,again.

Later a friend told me these little kids -No heat or electric in their home.Dad had been laid off from job. He was in an automobile accident.
---Lidia4796 on 8/27/13


Be honest,not real keen on this they usually Overcharge, pawn you off half home made things....

the people,be it the person who helps make the CD- disc usually 1 or 2,3 CDS are not in good condition, you go to a reputable store

if the CD has an error, they will accept it back give you a refund or exchange gift.. no churches they do not do that.
---Lidia4796 on 8/27/13


Invest:
1: to stake (money) in order to take a chance at earning a financial return

Also known as gambling
---James_L on 6/4/13


Gamble:
a : to play a game for money or property b : to bet on an uncertain outcome
2: to stake something on a contingency : take a chance

Invest:
1: to commit (money) in order to earn a financial return
2: to make use of for future benefits or advantages
---francis on 6/4/13


\\Investment is not a gamble
Investment builds goods or services, and relies on comsumer for profit

Gamble depends on everyone else lossing so you can win \\
---francis on 6/3/13


Wrong on all accounts. Gambling is simply taking a risk, with an uncertain outcome - either for or against you.

Gambling doesn't have to directly involve money.

A criminal might representing himself at trial. His best "bet" might be to get an attorney, but he wants to save lawyer fees. The outcome is less certain - it's a gamble

A boy will gamble his pride by asking a girl to a dance. If she says yes, his pride is bolstered. If she says no, his pride is crushed.
---James_L on 6/3/13


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---James_L on 6/3/13
Investment is not a gamble
Investment builds goods or services, and relies on comsumer for profit

Gamble depends on everyone else lossing so you can win
---francis on 6/3/13


\\they did not gamble the talents, they invested it. They could have lost it all\\
---francis on 6/3/13

you agree they could have lost it all, yet you don't think they were gambling ???


\\ If the goods and services do not sell as well as I expected, I have not caused anyone to lose their money. \\

If they don't sell those goods, YOU will lose. That means you're gambling. Taking a CHANCE that you'll win on your investment.


Just last week, I looked at and bid a remodeling project on a competitive bid. They'll be getting 2 other bids.

I gambled 5 hours of time and 20 dollars in gas to look and submit the bid.

Like the other two men, I have a 33% CHANCE that my bid is the lowest
---James_L on 6/3/13


if you win on an investment, someone else loses.
---James_L on 6/2/13
When I invest in a company no one has to lose.
I am giving my money to make goods or provide services. If the goods and services do not sell as well as I expected, I have not caused anyone to lose their money.

Take for example the parable of the talents, they did not gamble the talents, they invested it. They could have lost it all
---francis on 6/3/13


\\...gambling does not provide goods or services.
It is not an investment
It relies soley on others to lose their money so that one may win\\
---francis on 6/2/13

if you win on an investment, someone else loses. Also, it's gambling for a profit that you don't work for.

Loans are gambling that you'll get paid back. And the other person loses money.

Even with a job, you're gambling that you'll get paid. Do you ask to see some financial statements before taking a job?

I used to play pool for a living, gambling on my skill.

Would it be better to give money to an investment advisor to throw into the wind?

Many have lost more on an "investment" than I ever did playing pool
---James_L on 6/2/13


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Is there anything in the Bible about gambling?
---Love.wins on 6/2/13


Is gambling sinful?
---Love.wins on 6/2/13
yes

because gambling does not provide goods or services.
It is not an investment
It relies soley on others to lose their money so that one may win
---francis on 6/2/13


Is gambling sinful?
---Love.wins on 6/2/13


visited a church once who preached against lottery and yet they sold "raffle" tickets to support some thing they had going on. I think gambling is wrong but a raffle is just the same as lottery.
---shira4368 on 5/29/13


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---Brandon on 5/29/13

Let me just say this is funny.

She should sell them AFTER the service. But In all reality, she should not self promote in that manner, but rather let people know where the books are available for purchace
---francis on 5/29/13


So Francis I clearly understand that Jesus wasn't pointing out buying and selling in church as a problem, but rather the motive behind it (self-profit). But check this scenario and tell me if its right. We're in service and the word is being ministered and right in the middle the minister starts talking about her books which were on the same topic she was preaching. However, she paused the message and started asking who would like to purchase the book, starts selling it. Now is this right? And I'm not judging her just concerned.
---Brandon on 5/29/13


Yes, but it doesn't say that he singled out any particular subgroup as being dishonest (as opposed to others who were not) - the implication is that ALL the moneylenders, ALL the vendors selling animals for sacrifice etc. - ALL those who were trying to make a profit off God in his very temple - were corrupt.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/10

I am pretty sure we agree on this
I do not see any disagreement here between you and me.
---francis on 8/5/10


francis:

Yes, but it doesn't say that he singled out any particular subgroup as being dishonest (as opposed to others who were not) - the implication is that ALL the moneylenders, ALL the vendors selling animals for sacrifice etc. - ALL those who were trying to make a profit off God in his very temple - were corrupt.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/10


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Jesus overturned the tables and called them thieves (implying dishonesty) - he did NOT call them sabbath breakers.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/10
So we agree, he did not get angry at the comerce, but the theft
---francis on 8/2/10


francis:

I didn't say that. Under the Old Testament laws, ALL commerce on the Sabbath would be forbidden, regardless of whether it was on or in the temple, and regardless of whether the businessmen were honest.

Jesus overturned the tables and called them thieves (implying dishonesty) - he did NOT call them sabbath breakers.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/10


So, in order to give money to God, you were forced to give a percentage to moneychangers. This is taxation at best, and extortion at worst.
---StrongAxe on 7/30/10

So you agree with me
thanks
---francis on 8/2/10


francis:

There is no mention that he singled out any subgroup of dishonest moneychangers (leaving honest ones alone).

Moneychangers throughout history have always charged for the practice. Even today, if you convert one currency to another, banks charge a fraction of a percent for the service.

In Roman times, the priests in the temple refused to accept the common currency (because it had Caesar's face on it), so people were forced to convert from Roman currency to Temple currency - and in doing so, had to pay someone (i.e. the moneychangers) a percentage in the process.

So, in order to give money to God, you were forced to give a percentage to moneychangers. This is taxation at best, and extortion at worst.
---StrongAxe on 7/30/10


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Did jesus throw out the money changers because they were changing money or dishonest?

Those selling animals to be sacrificed, did he throw them out because they sold animals to be sacrified, or because the animals were unworthy to be sacrificed?
---francis on 7/30/10


francis:

The first three gospels record Jesus throwing the moneychangers out of the temple, but there is no evidence in any of them that this happened on the Sabbath.

There is nothing in either of the three gospel accounts that it was the Sabbath on which Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple.

One could infer the opposite. Jesus came into Jerusalem, and then drove the moneychangers out of the temple. But travel on the Sabbath was forbidden, so unless Jesus was flagrantly ignoring the Law (the same law that he said not one jot nor tittle would pass away), it would have had to be on a different day.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/10


Would JESUS agree with the selling of books and music tapes inside a church building?

As long as it was not done on the sabbath.
Nehemiah 13:19 And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and [some] of my servants set I at the gates, [that] there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.

Nehemiah 13:20 So the merchants and sellers of all kind of ware lodged without Jerusalem once or twice.
---francis on 7/27/10


A singing group" The Hoppers" feel so strongly about this matter that they refuse to sell inside the church their tapes even if it means standing out in the rain. I remember my mother also felt very strongly about this.
---mima on 7/27/10


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Penny
When Jesus drove the money changers, they were selling doves etc for sacrifice.
Selling goods out of the kitchen, dinners, bake sales etc for building fund raisers, that's a diff story.

Fellowship aft a service in the fel - hall kitc area, & No food or drinks in the sanctuary. Now water is diff. It water is spilled it will dry out, but sodas etc will stain badly & may be a prob to clean by the custodial.
---Lawrence on 7/27/10


Many churches sell dinners and such in their kitchens. I do not believe that this should be right. The Bible says that Jesus drove those selling away from the Temple. I think that if you want a fundraiser, it should be done away from the church, even if it is a church event. Churches are sacred places. It is good to fellowship, but not to sell. Any place connected to a sanctuary is part of the church. Which reminds me, that you yourself is part of the Church of God, why would you sell yourself?
---Penny on 7/26/10


Yes Jesus Got mad at people selling things in Gods temple and said this is a house of prayer,but you have made it a robbers den.Thats it to me.Dont sell anything in Gods temple.Its a house of prayer for us to learn,pray and worship God.Not to buy things.There is one thing that bothers me alot and that is coffee shops in churches,But yes the church should use part of the tiths to buys christian stuff and give it away in church.Its almost like churches just care about getting money rather then Trusting in the LOrd to provide for them.I lean more towards not selling anything in churches,no starbucks or anything.Just have faith in the Lord to provide you the money you need to keep the church going.
---james on 7/25/10


The truth of this statement,"i have to wonder what we consider church today. so many call the building the church, that is not biblical. the bible calls us, the people, the body of Christ and the building in which the Holy Spirit dwells " seem to totally escape about 95% of Christians.
---mima on 3/2/10


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Rhonda, maybe I have missunderstood you, but it seems you are saying Bibles, commentaries and other Christian literature should be free? If so who compensates the producer for their efforts, and cost?

Further I cannot see how selling valuable Christian literature equates to the money cnangers extorting those who were endeavouring to buy animals for sacrifice.

---Warwick on 3/1/10


sort of interesting how many professing christian religions forget Christ drove the money changers out of the temple for turning the temple into a house of merchandise

stay far from those who PROFIT themselves or their religious systems in "name of Christ"

God is a profit center for those who LIVE in (and for) the world its ways and its traditions 2Corin 4:4

True Christians understand these are offered for FREE and it is supported through tithes

whether SOLD in a "church" or someones house or anywhere else ask yourself where is the TRUTH if it must be SOLD
---Rhonda on 2/27/10


I'm against it. Church ought to be focusing on God and His teachings. Having dinners and such I think is great.
---catherine on 2/26/10


It all depends..it cannot be in the main worship center! It must be in the basement or other! God does not want worship defiled by other worship.. such as money or the physical! He said He will supply our needs, not other means! We tithe and seek to give where He says! We cannot be in the flesh to hear from Him as that gives a closed system away from blessing. The Scripture says LOVE of money and not just money. God uses what currency we use, depending on Country and circumstance! He honors Holy gifts asked by the Spirit. The more I know Him, the more I am amazed.
---Virgil on 2/25/10


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i have to wonder what we consider church today. so many call the building the church, that is not biblical. the bible calls us, the people, the body of Christ and the building in which the Holy Spirit dwells. what do you do when people rent out a schoold gymnasium or college cafeteria for a worship and meeting together? are we so dull in thinking that God is confined to a place we call holy, when it is in us he dwells? some of us condemn those who take part in selling something in a fellowship hall or a church's building quoting the moneychanger example. what about those christians who hurt their bodies with food, sexual immorality, and so many other harmful things...our bodies which are the true dwelling place of God.
---kevin on 2/24/10


Christ did not set up the church to be a market place, Walmart, Barnes and Nobels, Music Warehouse, Lifeway Books, or Starbucks. God's church is the house of prayer, not Omar's house of Goats!

Do any of the rest of you see it this way?
---trey on 2/15/10


My understanding (from history, not scripture alone) is that the animals being sold in the temple were sacrificial animals, sold to worshipers who could not bring their own.
Jesus said these merchants and money changers made it a den of THIEVES!
The word "thieves" is used in all 3 Gospels that tell the story.

Thus, a legitimate service was not being offered for the convenience of worshipers. The sacrifices were overpriced, taking advantage of those who needed to buy them. Perhaps the money-changers were less than honest, too.

As I see it, the sale of anything in church
having spiritual benefit, need not be condemned...unless it is overpriced or fraudulently offered.
---Donna66 on 2/14/10


the people was at the temple to make a profit,not because they was trying to help anyone or loved god.Jesus was angry becouse they was at the temple selling period.Most people sell to make a profit and this includes churches.To reemburses the church for sunday school books, ect. is ok, but to sell on church property is wrong!We tell everyone we are in the last days,and what does god say hes going to do to the church in the last days? Dont take a chance, respect his house of preyer.
---Billy on 2/13/10


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Jesus is our example for life and conduct. He did clear the Temple 2xs Once at the beginning and again during the passion week. He speaks of these that were buying and selling as thieves thus eluding to that of dishonesty. Not just pointing out selling of something as wrong. People have a tendency to look strictly on the action, but God said that He looked on the heart examining the motivation. For instance I attend a Mega church my pastor will collect an offering for a book or CD that the ministry has produced because God has said spoken a word and he is trying to get that to the people so they can hear it repeatedly. The money goes to the cost of production and fund the ministry.
---danie4678 on 1/13/10


I believe that selling items inside a church sanctuary is an abomination. Also the practice of passing an offering plate more than once during a service because offerings were low and over-preaching tithing and saying everyone who does not give ten percent gross is cursed is offensive. Churches are beginning to be over obsessed with the all mighty dollar to the point that they might even take down the cross and erect a dollar sign in its place. Churches are beginning to resemble flea markets and banks. Some even have teller machines in them. Christians, wake up and sanctify your temples. Get rid of the flea markets in your churches and stop beating up your members and guests over tithes.
---Keith on 1/12/10


Many pastors and teachers add their spin to biblical teachings,add scripture,paste their face on the cover and sell their books.It seems to me they are repackaging the bible
and giving themselves credit.
Someof these mega churches get millions from members,then still turn around and sell books.

The Bible is a extensive book ,it is enough to diligently study it. What the holy spirit teaches as we read,could certainly fill books,we learn from our own experiences.I think this book selling craze is like selling the sacred things of God.
---Marlene on 4/1/09


In any place is fine,however in a place of worship No, ask the brethren to pay up their tithes/offering gifts and suchlike so that the store house is full for giving like the N/T chuch of God.
---Carla5754 on 2/1/09


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If it is inside of the main worship area of the church then that would be wrong, and if the items were sold as a requirement for salvation, then that would be obscene (and is what Jesus condemned - they were selling animals for sacrifice in the Temple).

However, selling items in a room off to the side or in the basement or in a back corner is probably not such a big deal. Sometimes it is hard to find decent religious books or items in our secular marketplace.

Not during worship.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07


NO, Jesus would not agree. No Ands, Ifs, or Butts. No reasoning no excuses. Too much of it. The abuse was, buying and selling, and changing money, in the Temple. Lawful things, Ill timed, and ill placed, may become sinful things.To be doing good [Christ's healings] in God's house, is more honourable, and better becomes it, than to be getting money there. Jesus said, it is written, "The eye must be upon the scripture, "My house shall be called the house of prayer".
---catherine on 6/17/07


Cont. Buying and selling in churches: Jesus said,"My house shall be called the house of prayer". Ye have made it a den of thieves. Markets are too often den of thieves, So many are the corrupt and cheating practices in buying and selling; but markets in the Temple are certainly so, For they rob God of His honour. The worst of thieves. It is good coming to the Temple, when Christ is there, who, as He shows Himself jealous for the honour of His Temple, in expelling those who profane it.
---catherine on 6/17/07


No, that is wrong but a lot of churches are doing it now. Not only books are sold but other items, as well. Some know better. Some do not and have no idea they are in error.
---Robyn on 6/17/07


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When Jesus threw the money-changers and merchants out of the temple, it was because they were charging people astronomic prices and interest, and literally cheating them out of their money. Thus He called it "a den of thieves". But to sell merchandise inside the church building itself, if the money goes back into the church or for extending God's work, then I think that is fine. One of those books, tapes or CDs may have a great effect on the life of someone who bought it.
---Ann5758 on 6/17/07


MY opinion: I don't see where God would be displeased with a church having Christian books or tapes for sale- as stated by others, these things aid in our Spiritual growth. HOWEVER, what does make me extremely uncomfortable is a lot of our "mega-churches" now resemble MALLS instead of churches. They have begun to be family friendly entertainment centers rather than a house of prayer, worship, and learning. One of them actually has a McDONALD'S in it! What's up with that?!
---Molly on 1/16/06


Our church hall (not he actual church part) is sometimes used for what we in the UK call Jumble Sales. Peop[le donate things they no longer need. People are able to buy things they would not otherwise be able to afford. The goods are recycled tather than being thrown away. A charity benefits from the sale proceeds.
Den of thieves? Who has been stolen from? Many less affluent people have benefited. Tight or wrong?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/16/06


I BELIEVE in the place we as Christians set aside to worship, that is what should be done there. IF there are other rooms/areas that are for general meetings, handouts, etc., why not make materials available at a reasonable price. Many people don't have the time or maybe resourses to go to book stores, internet, etc. for reading or other Christian based learning aids. As for the den of theives, who here is perfect? Anyone?
---mikefl on 1/15/06


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Rev. Herb, I believe you meant you answer for the "Catholics Believe in Mary" blog.
---Ulrika on 1/15/06


Selling anything in church is offensive to me. But, one of the things I learned is, don't present the problem until you have at least a start of a solution. A number of the special guest in our church to present programs, (music especially,) depend on the sales of their items to support them and their families. Most secular outlets do not promote their interest, and there is not enough sold in Christian outlets to support them. Any ideas?
---WIVV on 1/15/06


I did study, this is what I found.
A self-professed Satanist says-- The Baphomet is the official symbol of the Church Of Satan, but many Satanists use the inverted cross to symbolize their dislike of Christianity. It's modern meaning has came to mean "anti-Christian" and it is used and recognized as such in today's world...
---Rev_Herb on 1/15/06


Nothing is sold in the church I attend but it wouldn't bother me if there were books on sale in the Sunday School building and that the prices were no more than in a Christian bookshop. If we can encourage Christians to improve their knowledge by good reading material on offer that is fine I.M.O. I was taught that Jesus was angry at the sellers in the temple because they were being dishonest, not simply because they were selling goods or exchanging money.
---M.P. on 1/15/06


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Lynn,
You have thieves in your church?
---Bruce5656 on 1/15/06


The place of worship has become a den of thieves.
---Lynn on 1/15/06


My church has a bookstall in the foyer. There are tracts and leaflets free for visitors and enquirers to take and there are books for sale. This is manned by a member after each service for just a short time. One day per year a larger sale, on behalf of a well known Christian charity, is held in the Sunday School room. This goes on all day. However, the church never allows anything to be sold in the church itself. When there are sufficient rooms like this I think the selling should be kept separate.
---M.A. on 1/15/06


I have friends who have a singing ministry. They carry their tapes to where ever they sing. That helps them put gas in a 4 miles per gallon bus.
---shira on 1/14/06


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