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Should We Keep Holy Days

Has anyone heard of God's holy days (Lev.23)? Should these be kept instead of the days Christians keep that have pagan overtones?

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(4). The way you put it, is that Jesus came only to insure us that the old covenant is what will perfect us, NO NO NO! He came to bring us a new and better way. If you cant see this, I dont know what else to say. Its all in Christ, all the feast, the pass over, the sabbath, everything is in Christ. If we have Christ, weve intered his rest, were keeping the sabbath, and all the law without lifting a finger to observe days months and years.
---Billy on 5/11/08


"The law is there for us to look BACK at and say, "Thank you God, for sending us your Son-the one and ONLY Sacrifice for sin.""

Not "back"--"IN." Note that Paul said "I didn't know the law until I saw the command "Thou shalt not covet"." This verse is good on two counts: 1) Paul wouldn't have been looking at the Law if it was null and void at the Cross. 2) It tells us where to look where we are sinners--in our very being.
---David on 7/20/07


"we live under GRACE and the commantments that were once written in stone now abide in our hearts in the form of the two commandments that Jesus gave. It's all about LOVE, my brother. God doesn't need to remind us to LOVE Him, like He did for old covenant believers.

The law isn't to remind us, or the Jews of the OT, to love--it shows us when we aren't. Lots of people want the "grace" so they won't feel guilty when they sin against God and man. Because we love Him, we obey Him.
---David on 7/20/07


David, exactly right! The law is there for us to look BACK at and say, "Thank you God, for sending us your Son-the one and ONLY Sacrifice for sin." So now, we live under GRACE and the commantments that were once written in stone now abide in our hearts in the form of the two commandments that Jesus gave. It's all about LOVE, my brother. God doesn't need to remind us to LOVE Him, like He did for old covenant believers. Our love for Him is from Thankfulness, not fear.
---faith on 7/19/07


"Sounds like a mixture of law and Grace."

We need grace precisely because the law points out to us our sins.

BTW, the "are" in the previous post should have been "aren't'!
---David on 7/19/07




Since some of you would like to keep the holy days, and not the other ordinances of the old law, please explain to me how you have divided which laws we are to keep and which ones we don't have to. Sounds like a mixture of law and Grace. Doesn't the Bible tell us that we are not to mix the two?
---fatih on 7/19/07


Yes the followers of Christ should keep the Holy Days. In fact, in Zech. it says that the whole world will keep 'the Feast of Tabernacales' in the Kingdom. It even talks about Egypt (a gentile nation) not keeping it, and being punished for it.
---audrey on 7/18/07


"I know what Jesus is to me and I don't need any pagan holidays or holy days to convince me."

The holy days are designed to convince anyone. They are lessons to be learned. The spring festivals pointed to the 1st coming of Jesus, the fall festivals point to the 2nd coming. If you want to meet Him on that glorious day follow what the Bible says and not the teachings of man.
---David on 7/18/07


Amen, Robyn. I don't need a calander to tell me to be thankful to and worship God. These things were done for people under the law. They didn't keep these ordinances out of love, but rather out of fear. Keep these "holy days" and keep the law too -every bit of it. *Celebrate holidays with pagan roots and you end up commercializing paganism in a nice little "Christian" package. *OR -Be thankful to God DAILY - throw away the calander that tells you when to reverence God.
---faith on 7/18/07


Every day is holy unto God. I worship and praise Him everyday. Why limit God to a few measly so-called holy days? When I eat a meal everyday that's holy to me. When God wakes me up in the morning, that's holy to me? Just what is your point?
I don't know about you my friend but I know what Jesus is to me and I don't need any pagan holidays or holy days to convince me. He lives in me. My Lord and Redeemer> Hallelujah!
---Robyn on 7/17/07




"dancing naked around campfires" -referring to early pagan holidays, a response to the original question. God gave those holy days to Hebrews.
---faith on 7/17/07


We should always remember that it was God who gave us those feast days. And it wasn't so that they could dance naked around a campfire. Read Col. 2:16. In order for this verse to make sense the believers at Colossae were keeping some of the feast days, new moons and ceremonial sabbaths.
---David on 7/17/07


Neither should be kept. Why do you wanna just give God a "day" every once in a while? Either we're sacrificing animals, dancing naked around bonfires, or we are celebrating God in our lives every day. Choose one.
---faith on 7/17/07


Lee: "In view of SDA scholarship that indicates the early 2nd century church did not observe the Sabbath, it is evident that the Sabbath was not commanded of the church.
"

I'm sorry but there is no SDA scholar who says such a thing. In fact, we know from historians of the 5th century that most Christians were still keeping the Sabbath.
---David on 7/14/07


Heres a challenge for you Billy,Find in the Torah where G-d stated that the Messiah would nullify or take away any part of the Torah and then compare what you find to Matt.5:17&18, Luke 16:17 Deut.18:15-19. If you think that messiahs role is to go against the Torah and change what G-d established then read Daniel 8:11-13 & Dnl10:27. Don't say the messiah did away with Torah thats the job of the false messiah.Remember another name for antichrist is the lawless (Torahless) one (2thess. 2:8)
---Jeff on 7/9/07


Jeff, you say "Paul is not the Messiah thus he is not our guide on how to serve G-d, Yeshua is. If??? paul is pointing away from Torah..."

Paul agrees with Jesus 100% because they speak by the same authority

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Mt 4:4, Lk 4:4, 2 Pe 1:21, Mt 10:19, Mk 13:11, Jn 16:13 also Gal 1:8.
---Geoff on 1/16/07


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Geoff- although I would like to get into it I need to respond later due to Rosh Hashanah approaching, I would say though that Paul is not the messiah thus he is not our guide on how to serve G-d, Yeshua is. If paul is pointing away from Torah then you need to stop referring to Paul, he is not your rabbi. More later, thanks
---Jeff on 9/22/06


Jeff, that might have been true if Paul was taking the Nazarite vow, which he wasn't. Paul was accused of violating Jewish customs. This was not true. He was proclaming the gospel & teaching how ceremonies pointed to the very Messiah the Jews were rejecting. But physical circumcision was neither here nor there with Paul. It was the circumcision of the heart that mattered all along. 1 Cor 7:19, Ro 2:29, Deut 10:16, 30:6, Jer 4:4.
---Geoff on 9/22/06


Geoff-you said "In Acts 24:17-18 he shaved" again No, if you look again at num6:13-21 you'll see that in 18 that the shaving of the heads is after the sacrifice of peace offerings.In verse 20 we see that after all these are done then the nazirite has completed the process of purification. Interesting point is that to take a nazirite vow one must just say that they will not consume grape or wine so look at Matt. 26:29,Mk14:25,& Lk22:18.
---Jeff on 9/22/06


Geoff-If you look at Acts 21:21-24 you will notice that Paul has been falsely accused of teaching gentiles not to keep the Torah. In order to show the accusations as false he went with 4 other men who also had taken the nazirite vow,purifyied himself w/them, paid their expenses and shaved ther heads to show that Paul (last part of verse 24) also walked orderly KEEPING the LAW. The last part of verse 26 shows that a sacrifice was done for each one of them according to the prescribed manner in Num.6:13.
---Jeff on 9/22/06


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2. In view of SDA scholarship that indicates the early 2nd century church did not observe the Sabbath; it is evident that the Sabbath was not commanded of the church.
Acts 21:21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs.
---lee on 9/21/06


1. Geoff - "... but I can't let people like Lee remain confused about Sabbath."
I think that the confusion you have is that as an SDA you refused to recognize the fact that the covenant God made with Israel alone is a different covenant than that of the church.
---lee on 9/21/06


Jeff, been a while, but I can't let people like Lee remain confused about Sabbath. On 8/12 you said "[I] said Paul did no such thing [offer sacrifices]." He didn't sacrifice a lamb but believed in Jesus' complete sacrifice
Then Paul took the men, & the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them-Acts 21:26
In Acts 24:17-18 he shaved-see 21:24
---Geoff on 9/21/06


Kathr:
Yes hebrew talks of Rest, the verses i quoted are continued, in Part 1,2,3. Read through the other verses to part three then you will get the Message.
GENESIS 2:1-3 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
ISAIAH 56:1-7
---ZIMBABWEAN on 9/21/06


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Zimbabwean. You seem to be comfortable being under the law. Yet you yourself have not kept it perfectly in every sense. Are you not concerned that you are going to be judged by the law if you are not under grace? You can't be under both. It's either one or the other.
---john on 9/21/06


Zimbabwean."If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments" This man you are talking about was a man that had no intention of believing in Jesus. So unfortunately for him he had to keep all the law in order to be saved. I wonder how he made out? Do you think he really entered into life by his so called perfect obedience to the law?
---john on 9/21/06


From the book of Hebrews (and elsewhere) It appears that the Sabbath is a principle more than a specific day.
For many years I worked in hospitals. I had, at the most, one week-end off a month. Often it was none. Should I have said, "It's OK for you to schedule other nurses on the week-end, but I'm an exception."? Or how about, "I'm sorry 2 nurses called in sick, and the rest are out of town. But I can't come in. It's the Sabbath". As a Christian, I don't think I could say it.
---Donna2277 on 9/20/06


ZIMBABWEAN: Please read the whole chapter. We don't KEEP the sabbath rest, we ENTER INTO HIS REST,two different things.
Read Heb 2:10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

It has to do with belief or unbelief. We enter into the Holy of Holies, and in doing so, IT IS FINISHED. We can say that, because we are "In Christ".
---kathr4453 on 9/20/06


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HEBREWS 4:4-12"For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest..8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would HE not afterward have SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.
He spoke of this particular day, even from Genesis where he rested and Blessed it...
---ZIMBABWEAN on 9/20/06


PART TWO:
1 JOHN 2:3-4 ..The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him
LUKE 23:56"..But by the time they were finished it was the Sabbath, so they rested all that day as required by the law.
MATTHEW 19:16-17 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the
commandments."
---ZIMBABWEAN on 9/20/06


PART 3: NEW Testament:
ROMANS 8:5-8 the sinful mind[b] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
LUKE 4:16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read the Bible
ACTS 13:14-15-But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
---ZIMBABWEAN on 9/20/06


LEE, you have really made me study the Bible thoroughly and research on some of your question and answers
Thank You, will get back with verses on this Issue
---ZIMBABWEAN on 9/20/06


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Jana: Why did Cain get angry..
God gave Cain another chance. Cain gave from his self effort, the fruit of the ground, that had been cursed. Able had nothing to offer but his faith in what God has promised, redemption, looking forward to the cross, sacrificed a lamb, acknowledging his faith in the coming redeemer. Cain wanted to work his way to heaven on his own terms. That makes God very angry, considering He sent His Son to die a horrible death on a cross to open the way to Him. There is no other way.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/06


yes Jana he (Cain) knew he was wrong because he had a conscience. He violated a basic moral law found in all humankind - those with written law as well as those w/o written law. Romans 2:14.

But have you ever wondered why conscience is silent when it comes to observing a day of the week as holy? Could it just possibly be that keeping holy days is merely a ceremonial type of thing; nothing to do with moral law?
---lee on 9/19/06


Jana: If there was a law at the time of Abel and Cain,(the way you are saying it) then God would have dealt with Cain. However, God said that no one could touch him. The first time God said thou shall not kill was to Noah. The Covenant with Noah was not to kill man, and to replenish the earth. Genesis 9:1,6. Also Genesis 9:11-17( Covenant). Man still had a conscience. Romans 1&2. But they didn't have "the law". **Romans 2:11&12
---kathr4453 on 9/19/06


I will then ask this question, why did Cain get angry at God when God favoured his brothers offerings. Why did he bury his brother after killing him. Answer, he knew he was wrong. Now how did he know its wrong? The law pointed it out to him from his heart. The laws are in our hearts today for it points out wrong to us. Yes, we are keeping it. But most leave out one point yet God asked us to obey all.
---jana on 9/19/06


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In Christ we do not have to keep any "holy" days. The keeping of such is a very religious thing, which Jesus has set us free from.
---Helen_5378 on 9/16/06


jana#2:
Which means the fallen nature was already in place. It wasn't the law that brought about sin, only revealed the full Glory and Righteousnesss of God, and revealed man's total unrighteousness, already established, re:Adam & Eve. God had to bring in the law, before He could now say...where sin abounded, Grace did much more abound. Jesus Christ=Calvary=Grace. He died for our sin. His promise to us from Genesis 3:15.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/06


jana:
There was no law before Moses. Read:
Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

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---kathr4453 on 9/16/06


Your argument that the ancients keep the Sabbath is truly one of totally bankruptcy. There is virtually no record at all of any Jew or Gentile keeping a Sabbath as an observance to God before the time of Moses. The Sabbath was given only to the nation of Israel as a sign of the covenant between God & Israel. (Ex 31:17); it was not part of any previous covenantal relation
Deuteronomy 5:3 Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.
---lee on 9/16/06


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Lee, Abraham worshipped on/the Sabbath, same as/Moses n.Jacob, Joseph and Daniel. Laws existed long before God gave it to Israel. If it did not, there could have been no sin before Sinai for its the transgression of law. The Israelites while in/the wilderness were told 2collect manna twice on/the Preparation Day Friday for/it was'nt falling on the SabbathEx16:23-26.Lee, Jews are believers and/so are/we, so the truth given 2us also. Billy, the new covenant's Christ Himself who became the sacrifice.
---jana on 9/16/06


(6). Jeff, if we cant see that everything including the law that thy were to keep in there hearts, was only a type and shadow of the new covenant, which is Christ. Then we truly have been blinded to the truths of Gods word. END
---Billy on 9/12/06


(5). David certainly did not hate God's spiritual "love thine enemies" law in his heart. The law of Moses typified God's spiritual law just as Adam typified Christ:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. David is called "a man after mine [God's] won heart." This too was only in type.
---Billy on 9/12/06


(4). Jeff, was manna 'bread from heaven' or was it not 'bread from heaven?' The answer is that it was just like God's law being in Davids heart, a TYPE of "bread from heaven." The law which was in David's heart when he was on his death bead taught him to "hate thine enemy." That was the law David lived by. It was the law Saul of Tarsus was living by "blameless," as he persecuted and "breathed out slaughter" against Christians.
---Billy on 9/12/06


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(3). But in John 6 Christ makes this statement about His own words here in Exodus 16:
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses GAVE YOU NOT that bread from heaven ; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
So there you have it. "Bread from heaven," " not bread from heaven, I "Christ" am the true bread from heaven."
---Billy on 9/12/06


(2). Jeff, another example is in Exodus 16
Exo 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
We have Christ Himself saying that he is going to feed Israel with "bread from heaven."
---Billy on 9/12/06


(1). Jeff, dont forget that the old covenant is a type and shadow of the new covenant. Everything in the old points to Christ. So first ill give a couple of examples. When the New Testament writers quote Psalms,"the zeal of thine house has eaten me up," they are quoting what David said about himself. But we are told that in spiritual reality, as revealed to us in the New Testament, these words of David about David are really speaking about Christ and through Christ speaking about you and me.
---Billy on 9/12/06


The torah is fulfilled in Christ by profound generosity and simplicity. Ro 13:8 "..for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." Love is the divine principle for the law. "God is love", (1Jo4:9,16) God is not the torah. Such is the seed of idolatry and creating old burdens for worship.
---jhonny on 9/12/06


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The idea that the law is nailed to the cross is a lessor error than falling into the hands of the heavy burden torah directors. These mutually and self appointed interpretors of torah obedience apply burdens holding the ministration of death in unrighteousness. The bondage is almost impossible to escape. Whereas the first error is easily corrected, it opens the door for a greater deception, obedience to their interpretations for heavy slavery.
---jhonny on 9/12/06


Also Geoff, We are told to 'remember' the traditions delivered to us by the apostles to met on the first day of the week. 1 Cor. 11:2; 2 thess. 2:15
There is absolutely nothing in the NT that tells us we must observe any kind of Sabbath as Christ in fulfilling the Commandment is our rest. Hebr. 4.
---lee on 9/12/06


Golly Geoff you always need to be corrected!
Did God tell the church to 'remember the Sabbath'? No, but He told the Jewish nation to remember the Sabbath as it was part of the Covenant He made with them.
About the only thing the Lord commanded us to remember is His broken body and shed blood on the Cross.-
Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.'
---lee on 9/12/06


Jeff this is a shocking statement you make. "Messiah did not unseat them (The Torah controllers),if he did he would have told us, we are actually told the contrary (Rom 3:2)(Ezekiel 44:15-31)." First although it looks good, the scirptures you use to show the contrary are hardly relevent. In point of fact your contrary efforts which are not biblical are a denial of the Messiah/Christs priesthood. Busted. Bring on the Heavy Burdens eh Jeff.
---jhonny on 9/12/06


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Jeff, im working on your next post. When I read your post, and you said, "you came out swinging like a school yard bully!" I laugh till my sides hurt. Thanks for the good humor. Im glad you got a laugh out of it also. Eather way, ill have your post soon.
---Billy on 9/12/06


(2). Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. The law isnt made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient. If we are righteous, why do we need the law that says "dont kill" when we would never do that in the first place. If you consider your self under the law, then you consider yourself,lawless,disobedient, ungodly,unholy,profane,a manslayer,a murderer of fathers and murderer of mothers.
---Billy on 9/12/06


(1). Jana, what part of "NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart", dont you understand? 2Cor 3:2 We are the epistles of Christ, written in our hearts, known and read of all men. Its the letter that kills. Is it the ceremonial letters of the law that kill us? Or isnt it the laws that let us know how sinfull we are.

Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
---Billy on 9/12/06


and Billy, the new convenant is Christ and the testator is the innocent animal no longer required and yes, Jesus came to show a better way by nailing the old ceremonial things to the cross and Him become the sac/lamb. your keeping the first day not Sabbath. Rom7:7 yes, without law you wont know sin so we keep 10laws to guide us. Jeff, text please to say Paul sacrificed 20-30years later
---jana on 9/12/06


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Billy, read Jeremiah carefully. A covenant made with our fathers...this is the ceremonial things hes talking about. When Jesus came, there no longer any need to kill innocent animal for sacrifice for Christ became the sacrifice. The 10commands was from wayback atthe foundation of the world. Remember, Christ is the law. He is the Word and He made the world.
---jana on 9/12/06


Colossians 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19And not holding the Head, (Which is Christ)....
---kathr4453 on 9/12/06


Jhonny= if you're gonna qoute Matt23:1-2 at least put in verse 3. Do everything they say just don't have their heart. They say and don't do, they tie up heavy loads yet don't help to motivate and encourage them even a little, and they do mitzvot for recognition by men instead of as a testimony of G-d's sovereignty. Messiah did not unseat them ,if he did he would have told us, we are actually told the contrary (Rom 3:2)(Ezekiel 44:15-31).
---Jeff on 9/12/06


Billy-I never said one must be justified by the Law, it is an act of obedience. I said this before and I'll say it again, The law is from our Father to protect us and to guide us, just like if you had kids and you gave them laws(rules, chores, etc.) you do it to keep them protected and to be useful. Is it not love that motivates those laws, and is it not a parents wish that the child would obey because he loves his parent?
---Jeff on 9/12/06


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Billy, Whoa you came out swinging like a school yard bully! Sorry I couldn't help but laugh at your response.
Anyways to your statement about Jer. 31:31. Then explain Psalm 40:8, Pslm37:31, (he already had it in his heart) Deut 6:6 ,Pslm 119:11,Isaiah 51:7, I could go on and on but the truth is obvious, you've got the covenant and the Law confused, I think you think they are one and the same.
---Jeff on 9/12/06


Geoff- you said Paul did no such thing. Read Acts 21:26 and Acts24:17&18 and then get back to me.
---Jeff on 9/12/06


Lee, you agree the Sabbath existed from the 1st week of creation, yet you think it wasn't instituted until Moses? Is your speculation based on feeling or fact? The Bible says nothing of Jesus between age 12 & 30. Does this mean He wasn't here? Ex 20:8 says remember the Sabbath. Can't remember something you never knew; not a "remember in the future" or the other 9 would be that way. Why're you forgetting & teaching to forget the 1 commandment we're asked to remember? Careful! Mt 5:19
---Geoff on 9/11/06


(5). 2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Jeff, doesnt this go hand in hand with Jer. 31:33? The new covenant has been ushered in by Christ. Heb 9:16-17, the testator has died Jeff, otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
---Billy on 9/11/06


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(4). 1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, AND YE NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU: BUT AS THE SAME ANOINTING TEACHETH YOU OF ALL THINGS, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Jeff, doesnt this go hand in hand with Jer 31:34? Well lets see if theres another witness of this already taken place.
---Billy on 9/11/06


(3). Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jeff, I know that your probably thinking that none of this has happened. Your saying, no one knows God from the least to the greatest. Well let me show you some more NT scriptures
---Billy on 9/11/06


(2). Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
---Billy on 9/11/06


(1). Jeff, Here is a OT scripture that says that Jesus will reform the law.
Jeremiah 31:31-34, Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
---Billy on 9/11/06


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Christians have set themselves up for this one nailing the commandments to the cross. Abominable. Although the torah is not done away through Christ the operation of fulfillment is accomplished through Christ. And the torah is His law now. And since it is founded on love it is love that fulfills the torah. Ga 5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word,.."
---jhonny on 9/11/06


Geoff - *Someone created, rested, sanctified, blessed and hallowed Sabbath long before Moses-Gen 2:3, Ex 20:11.*
But you must admit that the Sabbath was not instituted until the time of Moses; that the patriarchs did not observe any kind of Sabbath, and finally that the church was not obligated to observe a Sabbath; and that it was not commanded anyplace in the New Testament.
---lee on 9/11/06


Simone the Law of Moses remained in Moses' seat until Christ. The Pharisees had jurisdiction. Mt 23:2 "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat:" The Law is now in Christs "seat". Only in Christ is their life and light in the world. The rest is darkness. Love the truth, release yourself from lies & falsehood as the truth is revealed. Damned-Saved "That they all might be Damned who believed not the truth,
"love of the truth, that they might be Saved.
---jhonny on 9/11/06


Whoa! Wait a minute here-Jeff, Billy, Lee... Now I understand why Lee has such a hard time distinguishing 10 Commandments & the Mosiac Law. 1st, Jeff; Paul did no such thing (offer sacrifices in the temple 20-30 yrs after the crucifixion). When Jesus said "it is finished" the sacrificial system ended-Mt 27:51, Mk 15:38, Lk 23:45

It's unfortunate that you're missing out on Communion. I'd like to talk with you about type & anti-type

Please rephrase your Q to Billy. I'd like to help
---Geoff on 9/11/06


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Simone both systems you address are laced with falsehood and error. Both systems have been used to empty pockets and bank accounts. God tests us whether we love the truth with all our might or show willingness to co-operate with fraud and falsehood. Life and death are always before us as a choice. God sends more of whatever you choose. 2Th 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send..."
---jhonny on 9/11/06


(6). Less not forget the rich young ruler that had keeped the law from his youth up. But Jesus found him lacking. He couldnt sell out in his heart to follow Christ. Jeff, you havnt found the pearl of great price and sold out to reap the reward. THE END !
---Billy on 9/10/06


(5). Jeff, if you intend to keep ONE of the old testament carnal laws, then you need to keep them all. Stone um for adultry, lets circumcise all our children on the eight day, even though we know that its the circumcision of the heart, is what really matters. Jeff, I tried to answer every comment and scripture that you gave me, but you havnt answered half of the scriptures that Ive given you, but you just keep adding to your end, in want for me to answer.
---Billy on 9/10/06


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