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Is Jimmy Swaggart A Christian

In your opinion, having listened to what he taught, what is Jimmy Swaggart's position before the Lord? Certainly we don't want to engage in judgment but perhaps we can have an opinion.

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i've watched a study in the word for several months now and have bought one of the Bibles JS sells. what i've heard and read it's in line with the Gospel. truly, we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Jesus was the only one that was sinless when He was on the earth. even preachers are sinners, we all have the sin nature. if brother swaggart is a false preacher, evangelist etc. God will bring him down. IE. jim jones, david koresh etc but yet all of these people may have been forgiven before they died, we don't know. but i do know all sin can be forgiven except one and that's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So be careful about judging others.

May God Bless Everyone!
Jesus Is LORD
---george on 5/17/09


I don't presume to know the postion of Jimmy Swaggart of anyone else before the Lord.

I believe, however, that forgiveness of and for sins and falls is one thing. Restoration to public ministry is another.

I've also found a lot of errors and untruths in Swaggart's writings. And there are witnesses to something I said in 1986: I'm neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but if JS doesn't change what he's teaching, he's going to be involved in a big moral scandal in 2 years.
---katavasia on 4/7/09


I do believe that Bro Swaggart has repented of his sins before God and man! If God forgives him, who are we not to? I for one have watched his ministry very closely and found no fault in the Brother. I know there are many opinions on this matter, but WWJD?
Remember, all manner of sin is forgiven except one!!! If someone has no confidence in his ministry, it is our place as God's children to simply pray for him and allow God to judge him.

God Bless all,
Rev Stewart
---Carter on 4/6/09


This is like asking Is the Pope saved? Are you sure? Then why can't he see that having all these people idolize him and wanting to touch and kiss him when he passes them by is IDOL WORSHIP of him?

When the last Pope died, my Catholic friend asked, who's in charge? I said "God."

She did not believe me. She said, "no we need a Pope NOW."

I was like, are you for real? Are you kidding me? She wasn't kidding, she was so scared when the Pope died and they waited a week or two to elect a new one.
---donna8365 on 4/3/09


That's not for us to decide now is it? He alone is responsible for his own relationship with God.

Q: Does he preach the bible? YES.
Q: Is what he preaches in line with biblical truth? YES.
Q: Does he ruffle a few feathers every now and again? Definitely.
Q: Is this a good thing? Absolutely.

Is it our place to judge or question someone when we ourselves are without sin? How would you feel if we dug up past mistakes you may have made and questioned your Christianity based on said mistakes?

If anything, I would say that Jimmy is a true example of the redemptive power and forgiveness of a Loving God.
---Kevin_Andersen on 4/2/09




** In your opinion, having listened to what he taught, what is Jimmy Swaggart's position before the Lord?**

In the case of someone else's position with the Lord, does your opinion, mine, or anyone's opinion really matter?

Why even ASK the question?
---katavasia on 8/26/08


We can't know the heart or intent of Jimmy Swaggart, only God knows that.
We can pray for discernment, in order to know if we should, or, how closely we should adhere to any ministers teaching.
If we pray for discernment, God will reveal
to us, whether or not, the truth is being preached. A Godly man will be seen in his righteousness. A wrongful man, even in sheeps clothing, and by his example, will be revealed to those seeking the truth.
---Mrs_Johnson on 8/26/08


re: the comment on the non-christians that reject Christ as their Savior because of men such as Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker. Just know that on Judgement Day God will not accept excuses of any kind. We all have the opportunity to accept Christ and no man can stop us from doing so. No exceptions!!! And if you don't like or agree with what you see on tv you can change the channel. If what they are preaching is wrong God can & will deal with them and He doesn't need our oppinions. Spend more time reading your Bible and going to church and less time watching tv. And above all pray more and criticise less.
debbie
---debbie on 8/17/08


judge yourself so as not to be judged. i listen to JSM and am finding relunctantly he is one of the few who preach the cross,sin and hell in entirety. and does not mind the stigma associated re paul.the gospel is an offence to many and this is frowned upon these days. so keep going jimmy
---janet on 7/29/08


Alright here it is...I have my doubts about him. Again, God really is the only one, who really knows, who will really, make it to heaven. He has already told me I would. So I am not worried. Praise God>>> WOW! Forever.
---catherine on 7/29/08




I think Jimmy Swaggart was one of the greatest evangelist of the 20th century. I am confident God sees him this way, too. I have never met anyone who took joy in criticizing Swaggart that was ever much of a Christian. I do not think there are any good Christians that take joy in criticizing men so greatly used of the Lord. Jimmy Swaggart helped lead my dad to the Lord. Christian - he is probably a much better one than any of us commenting on him. I am someone who has a good marriage and faithfulness record, so I do not want to hear any self righteous condemnation of a great evangelist. The fact is we all of sinned, and that includes whoever reads this. May God be with you and yours. Jesus is Lord!
---William_Palmer on 7/27/08


Jimmy has probably repented and moved on who are we to go get our swimmin cozzy, wellies and boots and wade into the sea of forget and try fish out past sins. Would you like someone one to do that to you every sin you committed? this is worst than the paparazzi's.
---Carla5754 on 6/10/08


Having an opinion is an opt out for standing in judgement. Leave God to be the judge of all men. I am not a Jimmy Swaggart fan but he has surely touched many lives with the gospel message. Lets get on with what we are suppose to do while here on earth be His witnesses.
---jean on 6/10/08


is it true that Frances made Donnie divorce his second wife because she did not fit in with the "compound" that Frances runs? I watch and listen to them all the time and not doubting them just wondering why Frances does not approve do Donnies personal life..
---rhonda on 1/27/08


The Holy Spirit bears witness with OUR spirit that WE are Christians, not that others are Christians (or not Christians).

And no, I don't think we should even voice "opinions" as to Swaggart's position before the Lord.

Let's just admit that we might not approve of what he did, or that we might not agree with his Pentecostal and Armenian theology, but only God can know what is (or is not) in the heart of a man.
---C.L.Chuck_Troupe on 9/6/07


I feel that he has a warped mind. He has deceived himself into believing that he is now preaching the message of the cross of Jesus, which he didn't do at one time.He is still babbling the same "unknown tongues" that he was babbling when he was involved with whores.He and his family are basically ignorant of history, theology, and just plain common sense. They condemn and berate other Christians constantly in oder to build themselves up with other ignorant people.
---Terril on 9/4/07


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Jimmy Swaggart doesnt teach you have to speak in tongues to be saved, watch him long enough and you will see thats not correct. As far as those calling him a crook, anybody can say anything in these forums so I've learned not to pay to much attention to what some say. Having said that, Jimmy is called of God to preach and the gifts and the callings of God are without repentence. If you dont like him fine but be careful what you say about him personally.
---Charles on 8/27/07


Yes A,theia,
sadly many will never come to Jesus because of the actions and hypocracy of these TV actors. The world looks at them and laughs, because they know they are a bunch of phonies and hypocrites.
---Chipper on 8/25/07


What people seem to be missing here is JSM is not being judged by simply the past errors, but what they still continue to do. Yes, as a Christian you are responsible for choosing and supporting leaders. Example, Donnie Swaggart is now seperated from his SECOND wife at HIS request. She has expressed to JSM (leaders) that she doesnt want this and asked for reconcilation of their relationship but has been rejected and banned from the property.
---A;ethia on 8/24/07


How can a church close its doors to the week and hurting and claim to be a follower of Christ? Yet Donnie preachs on forgiveness and downs others for divorce and multiple marrriages? Frances evens claims she can discern whom is a Christian and who is not. They try and control others lives through fear and intimatdation. They have banned other family memebers from their church for exposing the truth or challenging them.
---A;ethia on 8/24/07


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To follow the teachings of someone who bases it from scripture is great and expected, but to support ones who use the Word of God to gain their earthly desires is wrong. You can't ignore or justify (as JSM does) that they can treat others as they wish as long as they preach the truth of the scripture, that alone is agaisnt the word of God and everything Christ taught. Brain washing is not simply a mith. It happens daily.
---A;ethia on 8/24/07


Does anyone ever consider the number of non-christians who might have been saved if it wasn't for these Evangilist (Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Marvin Gormen,etc,etc) casuing so much doubt and distrust within the church or organized religion? We don't have the right to hurt others and justify it by saying, "it's for the greater good of God". That is blasphemy. When Christians start decideing which sins are greater or justifiable for God, there is truly something wrong.
---A;ethia on 8/24/07


Yeah, and what Charles Manson did was many years ago. I guess it's time to forgive and forget. Turn him loose.
I know, Jimmy didn't kill anyone.
He just doesn't belong in the public media.
---Chipper on 8/23/07


What Jimmy Swaggart did has been a long time ago, and yet we are still judging and critizising him as though we were without sin. Let God deal with him and let us get right with God. 1 Cor 10:12 says "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."
---Pete on 8/21/07


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At least Chipper gets it. Linda I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but these so called "leaders" will ultimatly be the down fall of Christianity. If you flip the channels on TV at night, its one after another with most preaching about "planting seeds" and being "blessed" for it. Of course it leads to the "seed" being MONEY for their needs.
---Alethia on 8/14/07


As for the "recovery process", you can't help someone who tells their followers its "non of their business" when he gets caught with hookers and ask the Church leaders "who is good enough to counsil Jimmy Swaggart" when told he has to step down for his wrong doing. Regardless of all this, Christians make up less then 30% of religious groups and there are thousands of different denominations within that number. We don't need more of his likes to sepearte us even more.
---Alethia on 8/14/07


Linda, when the man is in the worlds eyes, then I think he owes the world an apology.
Men like this should step down from the public ministry.
A great number of these kind hide behind religion so they can sneak out and run off and play with the devil and they think no one will notice.
---Chipper on 8/13/07


Alethia, I don't deny any facts you know for yourself. However, just because he is a TV minister doesn't exempt "go to him privately, then with a brother, then before the church (not before the world)". If you don't believe God has done a good enough job on Jimmy so far and is able to complete the work He started, then tell Him. Every idle word we speak we will give an account of. An idle word is like an engine that is running but isn't taking the vehicle anywhere. All noise and no motion.
---Linda on 8/10/07


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If what you say isn't building him, as a temple, up in the Lord, then you are destroying the temple. God may want to deal with Jimmy regarding his finances. Do you think He can't do that unless you talk about it and magnify the problem? We are to magnify the Lord, not our or someone elses problems or faults (as we see them). We don't see things the way they really are. We see them the way we are.
---Linda on 8/10/07


I understand we need to forgive and pray for all, but it doesn't mean we are supposed to not use the brain God gave us. You don't have to accept Jimmy and follow him. No where in the Bible does it say we are to follow man and there's plenty of scripture referring to following Gods will. DOes anyone really think just because people get on TV and preach the truth, that no matter what they do outside of the pulpit is OK? No, you have to make judgement calls based on someones fruit and actions.
---Alethia on 8/9/07


These people get away with the things they do becuase we allow them. If no one supported them, they would go away. Sounds to me like some of you on here have the same mind set as the Swaggarts , "above the law". The Swaggarts are wrong to say it is our responsiblities to make sure they have the cash to do Gods will. That to me is blasphemy.
---Alethia on 8/9/07


So God isn't able to support his will without TV preachers begging for money and manipulating the truth? While they live the life style they do? Maybe they could sale some of Frances $1000.00 dollar purses. Why is it they are exempt from paying certain Tax's? How does that help the community? We have to pay the Government and the Swaggrts why they enjoy the good life? How about they do something other then buy Radio Stations and plant Palm trees?
---Alethia on 8/9/07


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Maybe they could feed the hungry, work with other Churchs to support minitries, GIVE THERE EMPLOYESS HEALTH INSURANCE. They don't provide Health insurance because it make people more desperate to survive that work for them and allows the Swaggarts to take advantage of them by fear of loosing their job. Why is it every Minister who disagrees with Jimmy or Donnie or Frances gets sacked and then they spread evil words about them if they tell people the truth about the Swaggrts?
---Alethia on 8/9/07


My Prayer is this, God help people to see the "Wolves in Sheeps clothing" and make the Wolves become Sheep.
---Alethia on 8/9/07


Linda, keep speaking life, I know it encourages me in the Lord, brings hope, refreshingThe truth DOES set us free !!!
---Christina on 8/8/07


Andrea, my blogs to Alethia had to do with her part in Jimmy's rescue. I don't care if everything she said about him is fact, she has a part in his restoration either through prayer or otherwise, to walk in truth herself. We are told, in the Word, that if one is caught in a trespass to go to him privately. If he won't listen, then take another with you. If he still won't listen, then take it before the church. All of this is for the purpose of restoration, not exposure.
---Linda on 8/8/07


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If you can't go to someone privately, your place is to pray, not continue to expose the nakedness which may, some day, end up being your own.
---Linda on 8/8/07


Linda I don't think althias comments were inappropriate. We as the body of Christ must look at ourselves and be able to judge rightly. Don't tell me not to judge the word means not to pass sentence and how we judge we will be judged. I can live with that. And this blog isn't about alithia(sp) its about Swaggert. I don't want to hear about her sins. Swaggert will stand before God naked and ashamed like the rest of us. Jesus would never use guilt and CCs. Shame on you JS.
---Andrea on 8/8/07


If these TV Hucksters lost all their personal wealth they've gotten through their supposed "ministries", they'd looking for a job flipping burgers.
God is not poor. Many who send money in to these sheisters, are not paying their CC's, utilitiy bills, Dr. bills, car payments or even putting food on the table for their own family. But God forbid should they miss sending a wad into the TV Huckster. What a complete shame. God cannot be happy with this.
---Chipper on 8/8/07


If you are sending money to these TV Leaches and you're not paying your CC's, Dr. bills, student loans, bank loans, and are continually running off to buy more JUNK you don't need and won't use after you bring it home, shame on you! You don't need that new dress or jewelry, golf shoes, bowling ball, tatoos, or piercings ... pay your bills first.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
---Chipper on 8/8/07


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You just spent several blog entries going on about Jimmy's sins. What about yours? Missing the mark of love IS sin, even if done in ignorance. Believe me, I wouldn't even ask this question of you if I weren't discerning that you really have a heart for God.
---Linda on 8/8/07


There is a sin that besets US (Hebrews 12) and it is the sin of not running as one (1 Cor.9:24). Only ONE receives the prize and we are "so run".

"Looking unto Jesus ..."
"Consider Him....."

If you consider Jesus, you will consider yourself and be considerate of any public minister who stumbles. Then you can restore in a spirit of meekness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted to think of yourself more highly than you ought to think.
---Linda on 8/8/07


I never asked you what Jimmy or any of his family has or is doing. Even if it all happened yesterday, it is the past. If it happened an eyeblink ago, it is the past. I asked you what part of the rescue you are contributing to. That question alone requires you to get your eyes off Jimmy Swaggart long enough to examine the Lamb and your place in His body.
---Linda on 8/8/07


Ok Alethia, I don't question that all of that is true. However, I ask again, what part of the rescue operation are you doing? You are laying his sins out in the open and are being quick to judge, but love covers a multitude of sins, goes after the man in the sea, and leaves the sins there.
---Linda on 8/8/07


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I just saw Jimmy, Frances, Donnie and Gabe on TV asking for money again. Donnie said " I truley believe that God has given us THE MESSAGE for the WORLD and the CHURCH and that people have to understand they are responsible to support JSM. He then went on to say that just because its Gods will doesnt mean God will provide the money, its up to the people. If it's Gods will, isnt he capable to provide whats needed without Jimmy begging for your money or Donnie trying to make people feel guilty?
---Alethia on 8/8/07


Why is it when Jimmy was on top of the world and he was questioned about living his lifestyle by the press that he would say "God blesses his people" but they preach that others such as Joel Osteen, are not real preachers and that just because someone has more followers or more wealth then JSM, it doesn't mean it's because God has blessed them because they are doing his will? Ironic?
---Alethia on 8/8/07


Also Jimmy ask people to get their Credit Cards and charge the donations to JSM. Many leaders speak agaisnt being in debt. CC's are the biggest scam in the USA. CC's have caused so much finacial debt. Many say it could bankrupt our nation. That bankruptsy is at its highest. Why would he and others tell people to get in debt and make their life harder with the false promises that God will pay them back? The Swaggarts are not living in poverty but they ask others too.
---Alethia on 8/8/07


Read about David and others in the Bible who sinned and sincerely repented of their sins. How many times did Paul reject Jesus? What would you do if you were in his shoes? How would you feel if you truly repented and no one believed you? How did the soldier, who killed Christians, feel when people didn't believe he repented of his sins and became a Christian? You people are throwing a lot of stones not at Jimmy S. but at Jesus.
---Steveng on 8/7/07


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Chipper, did you even bother to find out who Jesus was addressing when He spoke of the "blind leading the blind"? He was speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, those who were trying to earn righteousness by their works. Those who sought to attain that righteousness by the works of the law did not attain it. Looking at the end of a covenant that was passing away (and has been since the veil on Moses' face), they could not see.
---Linda on 8/7/07


They were the blind and they "fell from grace" and "into the ditch" because they sought to be justified by the works of the law and trusted in their own flesh. I do good works. I just don't trust in them. I trust in Jesus and His work. One thing I cannot be accused of is being "legalistic", so the "blind leading the blind" doesn't even come close to applying to me.
---Linda on 8/7/07


Mima: good for you for agreeing with Linda and the other OSAS.
Once again the blind leading the blind!
---Chipper on 8/7/07


Again Alethia, I address the absence of the "target" here and the absence of encouraging, restoring rescue extended to him by those here are quick to shoot arrows.
---Linda on 8/6/07


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There must be a school somewhere that trains men and women in how to preach and expound from the Bible so they can become rich.
"You too can become rich and famous! just like all the other TV evangelists. Learn how to sell books and tapes and CD's, learn how to raise your voice and yell real loud to get the people's attention and intimidate them into sending you their money"
---Chipper on 8/6/07


Jimmy preach what the bible says and seems to be (on TV, Radio, internet) a nice guy, however so was Jeffery Dahmer. Most don't know them persoanly and all you see is him on TV teeling what you want to hear. The truth is I know him personaly as well as his entire family. Frances, Donnie, Gabe, Jimmy all use fear and intimidation to use people and get what they want.
---Alethia on 8/6/07


You have know idea how many people have been taken advantage of by them. WHy do people support someone just because they are on TV and have no personal relationship with them? Donnie is divorcing aagian, Jimmy turns a blind eye to France and they lie to the public. All you have to do is search the net and find hundreds of people and their stories of abuse.
Alethia
---Alethia on 8/6/07


I find myself an almost complete agreement with what Linda has to say in her answers.
---Mima on 8/6/07


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Becareful how you judge for it is how you will be judged. Some of the best teaching I've ever heard was from JS, but I agree I wouldn't want him in the pulpit, but who is forgiven much forgives much. God bless him and keep him out of trouble.
---Andrea on 8/4/07


Alethia, they may very well be but "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". The only one without sin is Jesus and He didn't (and doesn't) even cast a stone at an adultress caught in the very act. I love what Carla said about the sea. If we are going to fish, we are supposed to be rescuing the men, not fishing for the sin. Man forgets who Jesus is and what He did and goes off into the sea of forgetfulness and commits sin.
---Linda on 8/4/07


We go after the brother and leave the sin where it belongs. Unfortunately, it seems many see some kind of purpose in holding Jimmy's sin over his head like a black cloud and they fail to have any part in his rescue. It requires a great deal of humility to rescue a brother for the purpose of restoration. If you are not in the very act of restoring Jimmy and his family by encouraging them and lifting them up, you have missed the mark and that is sin.
---Linda on 8/4/07


Those who don't take an active part in restoring a brother taken in a sin don't have a lot of room to judge without being judged themselves. I say it like this: if you haven't spoken one word of encouragement to me in six months, you don't have the right to criticize. I am not judging you here. I am making an illustration. There are thousands upon thousands in the "drowning" business but not many in the "rescuing" business.
---Linda on 8/4/07


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Who knows whether Jimmy has repented of his sin before God. It happened a long time ago and Satan's Job is to go fishing in the sea of forget to fish out what sins are buried. His sin is as far as the East is from the West and had been removed. Don't be like the Media and associating his past with his present, he committed adultery of which UNLESS he is sinning today one needs to leave his sins and concern one's self of ones own.
---Carla5754 on 8/4/07


Linda, I'm not judging you. I've made no statement in regards to Jimmy's past sin. What you don't know is, Jimmy, Frances, Donnie anf most of their leaders are still doing wrong today.
---alethia on 8/3/07


1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach,
1 Timothy 3:10 And let these also first be proved, then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1 Timothy 5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
---Chipper on 8/3/07


Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God, not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre,
2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
---Chipper on 8/3/07


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"Linda: virtually ALL Christian music is "contemporary" when it's written. Some of our most ancient, treasured hymns started out as beer drinking songs, that the Christian leaders of their day took and changed the lyrics to. By having familiar melodies, these songs would be familiar to, and comfortable to, their target audience.
---Mark on 8/2/07"

I agree. I have no problem with it.
---Linda on 8/2/07


Alethia, are you seriously saying that the body of Christ is only one member instead of many and that you are the judge of who is and who isn't a member? I'm sorry, but even despite the differences in doctrine or what have you, Jimmy Swaggart is one of God's children and to suggest that he is worthless, common, or not saved is the blasphemy you accuse me of simply because you sit in the place of God and judge him not one of His.
---Linda on 8/2/07


Don't call common what God has redeemed. That was the whole message of Peter's vision of the sheet. The very fact that Jesus died and rose again for Jimmy Swaggart as well as you makes him worth a great deal to Jesus, even if you don't agree. It is hard for me to believe that the very people who say they love Jesus so much continue to hold a man's sins over him for years after the fact and use them against him for the rest of his life.
---Linda on 8/2/07


He repented and it is not Christ to judge his motives for doing so. He who has the power to condemn justifies the ungodly. The biggest problem with all of this was not that Jimmy Swaggart sinned. It was that man put him on a pedestal, failing to realize that there is none greater than Jesus. And those same people are quick to judge Jimmy for HIS sin and not as quick to judge themselves for theirs.
---Linda on 8/2/07


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What? You think it unfair that he could still be used of God after such a "huge" sin? Sin is sin, whether it is adultery or gossip and slander.
---Linda on 8/2/07


Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them,

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
---chipper on 8/2/07


Linda: virtually ALL Christian music is "contemporary" when it's written. Some of our most ancient, treasured hymns started out as beer drinking songs, that the Christian leaders of their day took and changed the lyrics to. By having familiar melodies, these songs would be familiar to, and comfortable to, their target audience.
---Mark on 8/2/07


Linda, are you seriously comparing the likes of Jimmy Swaggart to Jesus? That would be considered a new sin never heard of. What others on here trying to say is that some of these TV preachers have just found away to reach more people whom they can con. Swaggarts use all forms of media possible, radio,tv,internet, now they are offering iPods with Jimmy's music on it. So don't think they don't target different age groups. I know Jimmy Swaggart personaly, believe me when I say he's not Jesus.
---alethia on 8/1/07


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No Chipper, I don't jest. If you read the account of Jesus in the temple reading from Isaiah, every eye was fastened upon Him. Then He told them that today the Scripture was fulfilled in their hearing and ALL bare Him witness and wondered at the gracious words out of His mouth. Unfortunately, right after that, they got their eyes on the flesh and said, "Is this not Joseph's son?" Chipper, you have your eyes on flesh and you miss the blessing that comes from the spirit.
---Linda on 8/1/07


Danny: Very good points ... which I have been trying to make on here as well.
TV evangelism has made "couch theologians" out of way too many people.
Many have become lazy christians. It's easier to sit and listen to someone elses version of scripture than to study it for themselves.
We need more Bereans who studied the scriptures.
Today we follow men, not doctrines of scripture.
The sad truth is that many do not know the difference between the Old and New Testament
---Chipper on 8/1/07


Linda, surely you jest.
Jesus was the Son of God and they still didn't pay any attention to him. Jesus sent the 12 and later the 72 out to be witnesses for him. They did not have this new way of salvation printed in books for them to pass out.
Besides this, the Jewish (Judahite) Pharisees were still into the kabbalistic stuff they learned while in captivity in Babylon.
---Chipper on 8/1/07




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