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When you have communion do you believe you are eating and drinking Jesus?

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Madison :: Not having seen your name for a long time I think,this is a resurrected Post -postdated
---Emcee on 12/4/07


Emcee: To answer your question, the mass is the celebration of the Eucharist, which is the sacrifice of Christ in the, as you believe, body and blood of Christ in the communion. There is a homily, which is a sermon, but the key thing is the communion, which you believe is the sacrifice of Christ.
---Madison on 12/4/07


Ruben - the promises of eternal life and resurrection made to those who are described in 6:40 are repeated in 6:54, the only difference being in the way the beneficiaries are described. This is basically what is known as a literary style parallelism. "Beholds" & "believes" (6:40) are parallel to "eat" and "drink" (6.54). Jesus, therefore, is not talking about a ritualistic act, but about believing in his atoning death on man's behalf.
---lee on 3/12/06


Lee- literal or figurative ( But when it was literal, he meant it, like in this case.) hidden ( It is not hidden, in John 6:51 Jesus said " He is the living bread that came down from heaven.If you eat this bread you will live forever. The bread that I will give you is my flesh, which I will give to the world.") worship it when they put it into the monstrance. (Jesus said"This is my Body", so I believe him.)
---ruben on 3/6/06


Christ did not limit any of His sayings to either literal or figurative expressions. And you cannot find any miracle in Scripture that is hidden like unto your interpretation of bread becoming the actual body of Christ. Reasonably, what you have in that theory is idolatry of bread for the Catholic is told to worship it when they put it into the monstrance.
---lee on 3/6/06




Lee-(Ruben - YES-Besides this WAS NOT A PARABLE!( What you have in believing bread becomes flesh, wine becomes blood, is simply a miracle that requires you to believe by faith, without any precedence.)AMEN TO THAT.

Moderator - Ruben, please stop the CAPPING and ! to make your points.
---ruben on 3/4/06


lee- Look at it this way. Suppose you and I could both go back in time with our Bibles to the Last Supper. I would go inside the Upper Room to celebrate the Eucharist with Christ and the Apostles. You would be content to wait out in the hallway and read about it in the Bible. Just a thought!
---ruben on 3/3/06


Ruben - "In every parables that Jesus said, he would explained the parable.."

No...

Mark 4:10-11 when he was alone, they that were about him with the 12 asked him the parable. And he said to them, To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but to them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

What you have in believing bread becomes flesh, wine becomes blood, is simply a miracle that requires you to believe by faith, without any precedence.
---lee on 3/3/06


Lee- parables ( In every parables that Jesus said, he would explained the parable, this one he does not! BTW Jesus also said he was the door, but we do not see Him with hinges and doorknobs do we ( We also do not heard them saying how can this man be a door, or this is hard who can listen to him. Why, because they knew he is not a door, but once he says you must eat my flesh and drink my blood they start grumpling !
---ruben on 3/3/06


Why did not Jesus call them back and explain in detail what he really meant?

Jesus often spoke in parables also so that those who could understand the spiritual things could do so. St. John does, however, tell us that Jesus used figurative speech! (16:29)and clearly the Bread of Life did just that in telling others that they must eat of Him in order to see eternal life.

BTW Jesus also said he was the door, but we do not see Him with hinges and doorknobs do we?
---lee on 3/2/06




Lee-(All the more reason to accept alternative interpretations. Clearly those that heard these words did not interpret His words as clearly) Really, that is one of the reasons THEY walk away! why did not Jesus call them back to say it is not what you think? In fact he turn to the apostles and said Do you also want to leave? Peter said Lord, to whom would we go? You have the WORDS of ETERNAL LIFE.
---ruben on 3/2/06


ruben - "Some of his disciples said." This saying is hard: Who can accept it?"

All the more reason to accept alternative interpretations. Clearly those that heard these words did not interpret His words as clearly Jesus would never have advocated the eating of human flesh; as that would certainly find itself in conflict with OT teachings.
---lee on 3/2/06


lee-( If one is eating the actual flesh of Jesus then you are really a cannibal. )That is what the Jews said" How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"( "Yummy, yummy, yummy, I got Jesus in my tummy sounds rather foolish", doesn't it?) It would be foolish, but we do not.(Certainly there is a more logical or rational interpretation than the one that believes bread becomes the actual body of Jesus ) Some of his disciples said." This saying is hard: Who can accept it?"
---ruben on 3/2/06


Eating another human flesh is simply cannibalism. If one is eating the actual flesh of Jesus then you are really a cannibal.

Does the Roman Catholic walk away from the communion table delighting in having Jesus in his tummy? "Yummy, yummy, yummy, I got Jesus in my tummy sounds rather foolish", doesn't it?

Certainly there is a more logical or rational interpretation than the one that believes bread becomes the actual body of Jesus.
---lee on 2/17/06


Emcee. You may follow false doctrines all you want. Also you are one that mocking the Word of God by believing Rome's false teaching. Since you are not a real or born-again Christian I suggest you look for the truth. You say you a "Christian" and yet you deny the scripture. May God's love and truth come to your heart and mind.
---Ramon on 2/16/06


Emcee,
You do not accept the Catholic Encylopedia as being correct?
---Bruce5656 on 2/14/06


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Moderator,
Thanks for that clairifcation. I appreciate your tolerance with respect to the longer posts that show up from time to time.

Moderator - Yes, please feel free to do what you believe is appropriate in that area.
---Bruce5656 on 2/14/06


Bruce::The source is not correct read my concept of the meaning of Mass. Ramam & others, you are feee to believe what you want, but not being Catholics, You need to reevaluate the catholic doctrines, from proper sources.You believe in the bible yet refute its word & then say you are christians.These are not traditions you attack but the word of God.Any amount of quotes from the OT is not in keeping with the NT.This is a jewish ploy set up by heritics like the Ebionites,in early Christianity.Good Luck.
---Emcee on 2/14/06


Bruce, I don't think anything you wrote was taken out are that they complained about how much you put down. As Madison, I really enjoyed what you stated. I got my information from the St. Joseph Liturgical Bible in my statement on another blog. I think Emcee missed the part that you got the information from a Catholic Encylopedia. Thanks for the information.
---Lupe2618 on 2/14/06


Moderator:
The source was noted in part two:
Excerpts from: SACRIFICE OF THE MASS from the Catholic Encylopedia.

As for the other thing, the reason I questioned your comment was because of the use of the word "verbage" which I have always known to be an insult. When I looked for the meaning of the word I found the "Verbiage is an insulting term ..." quote.

Moderator - I have never heard the word used in an insulting way, that's why I couldn't follow your comments. Sorry.
---Bruce5656 on 2/14/06


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Moderator,

Also, re the use of the word "verbage" While it is not a real word, I found this: " "Verbiage is an insulting term usually meant to disparage needlessly wordy prose. Dont use it to mean simply wording. There is no such word as verbage." If you have a problem with a long post, I suggest you tell us outright.

Moderator - Thanks for pointing out a typo. However, I don't know what you are questioning as your text was posted?
---Bruce5656 on 2/14/06


Moderator:
"Moderator - Within the full source, in full context. Did you mean Without the full source? I understand that to be true and have tried to be as fair as possible in choosing what passages to quote. Ones that stand alone and make a clear statement that reflect the true intent of the article. One of the most striking things about the article is the concept that the OT system of sacrifice is continued in the mass.

Moderator - I just didn't fully understand the source of the information, however from your comment is sounds like it was an article.
---Bruce5656 on 2/14/06


Emcee. The CC belive that in every MASS, JESUS CHRIST NEEDS TO BE RESACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS. YOU need to stop covering up Rome false teachings.
---Ramon on 2/13/06


Emcee. The only lies flowing around here is the Rcc doctrines. Open your eyes. The RCC are fooling people. I'm only praying and fasting that you become a BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN.
---Ramon on 2/13/06


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Bruce:: Your 12 para Tirade Only shows that you are just guessing all your explainations are false & you are mixing ot With Nt what the mod said is true this ia a christian Forum meant for christians. Those who do not practice all the teachings but go by certain words,Its unfortunate that there are some, leading people astray but that is left in the hands of Almighty god who said Vengence is mine he who is not with me is against me.I have left you with the true explaination of the mass.

Moderator - Emcee, do you recognize the source Bruce quoted from?
---Emcee on 2/13/06


Moderator: Not ChristiaNet But some moderator who withholds & delete certain lines in an answer.if it is not pleasing or contradictary to Him. Hence my statement. Peace be with you for printing my real answer.

Moderator - Emcee, the moderators are ChristiaNet. Most people take turns helping out as we are a small company.
---Emcee on 2/13/06


Bruce: Thank you so much for your research and explanation. God is gracious in offering His Son, Jesus. It is a shame that Catholics believe that a sacrifice must be repeated. Christ did declare "It is finished." Praise God.
---Madison on 2/13/06


PART ONE:
for the benefit of those who acertain that the mass is crucifying Jesus over & over again this is untrue & a misconception

I have demonstrated from Catholic sources before that that is an untrue statement. I know that this will not convince Emcee any more than it did the last time but I repeat it here for the benefit of others who would truly learn what the mass is all about.

Moderator - Within the full source, in full context, there is no telling the meaning of some of this verbage.
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


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PART TWO:
Excerpts from: SACRIFICE OF THE MASS from the Catholic Encylopedia.

Here the Council of Trent interposed with a definition of faith (Sess. XXII, can. iii): "If any one saith, that the Mass is only a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving. . . but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits only the recipient, and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, punishments, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema" (Denzinger, n. 950)
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART THREE:
Referring to the sacrifice of the mass,

"Sacrifice is the external oblation to God by an authorized minister of a sense-perceptible object, either through its destruction or at least through its real transformation, in acknowledgement of God's supreme dominion and of the appeasing of His wrath."

This next one demonstrates how the OT system of sacrifice is being extended to the NT era by the RC.
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART FOUR:
Again referring to the ongoing sacrifice of the mass: without a perpetual oblation deriving its value from the sacrifice once offered on the Cross, Christianity, the perfect religion, would be inferior not only to the Old Testament, but even to the poorest form of natural religion. Since sacrifice is thus essential to religion, it is all the more necessary for Christianity, which cannot otherwise fulfil its duty of showing outward honour to God in the most perfect way.
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART FIVE:
Thus, the Church, as the mystical Christ, desires and must have her own permanent sacrifice, which surely cannot be either an independent addition to that of Golgotha or its intrinsic complement; it can only be the one self-same sacrifice of the Cross, whose fruits, by an unbloody offering, are daily made available for believers and unbelievers and sacrificially applied to them.
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


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PART SIX:
The altar-cross is also necessary as an indication that the Sacrifice of the Mass is nothing else than the unbloody reproduction of the Sacrifice of the Cross. .,..it is the sacrifice of the God-Man Himself. Consequently, the Mass is the impetratory and propitiatory sacrifice. As for special reference to the propitiatory character, the record of instituation states expressly that the Blood of Christ is in the chalice "unto remission of sins"
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART SEVEN:
The sacrifice of the mass is considered essential to receive the benefit of the original sacrifice of Christ. it is also the most holy intention of God that man should, by his personal exertions, strive through the medium of the greatest possible number of Masses to participate in the fruits of the Sacrifice of the Cross.
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART EIGHT
What is the sacrifice of Christ if not the crucifixion? If the sacrifice is being repeated, so is the crucifixion. However, drop the reference to the crucifixion and you still have the sacrifice being repeated over and over and over and over
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART NINE
Now lets look at what the bible says:
Hebrews 9:1-14, 10:10-12 "Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; the priests went always into the first tabernacle,
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


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PART TEN
But into the second went the high priest But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.accomplishing the service of God.
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART ELEVEN:
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


PART TWELVE:
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;"

This is why, when Jesus died on the cross he cried out IT IS FINISHED! John 19:30 Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift. II Cor 9:15
---Bruce5656 on 2/13/06


Moderator::Jesus fed throngs of people.5000 & again 4000just with a few Fish & few loaves of bread out of Compassion,he shows us that same compassion, for the rejuvenation of our souls by offering himself to us in Communion. This, is NOT crucifying: its another, of the lies you are helping to spread.As Moderator be impartial not incendiary,silence is sometimes Golden.Your question 13/2 Jesus said do this as a remembrance of me.

Moderator - The miracle of 5,000 and 4,000 has nothing to do with a Catholic Mass. I hope you are joking about ChristiaNet spreading lies by creating the Bible Quizzes and this website. ChristiaNet isn't impartial as we are pro-Bible, therefore Christian. If you want a false doctrine sight, this is the wrong place. Too many Christians here.
---Emcee on 2/13/06


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#4 According to that website by the Real Presence Association, the mass is a sacrifice, which is a works to atone for sins. If man must have a mass said for their sins, why bother believing in Christ?
---Madison on 2/13/06


#3 The Sacrifice of the Mass is not merely an offering of praise and thanksgiving, or simply a memorial of the sacrifice on the Cross. It is a propitiatory sacrifice which is offered for the living and dead, for the remission of sins and punishment due to sin, as satisfaction for sin and for other necessities.


The Sacrifice of the Mass in no way detracts from the sacrifice which Christ offered on the Cross (Council of Trent, Session XXII, September 17, 1562).
---Madison on 2/13/06


#2 The Mass is a true and proper sacrifice which is offered to God. By the words, "Do this in commemoration of me" (Luke 22:19; I Corinthians 11:24), Christ made the apostles priests. Moreover, He decreed that they and other priests should offer His Body and Blood.
---Madison on 2/13/06


According to the Real Presence Association: The most serious challenge to the Catholic faith in the Eucharist was the claim that the Mass is not a real but merely a symbolic sacrifice. To defend this basic Eucharistic mystery, the Council of Trent made a series of definitions. Originally drafted as negative anathemas, they may be reduced to the following positive affirmation of faith.
---Madison on 2/13/06


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Emcee: You are mistaken. I never said I wanted to know about the mass. You insisted I prove I was a Catholic by telling you what I knew about the mass. The last mass I was at was my father's funeral in October 1977. The priest was drunk at that one. I hope I never have to attend another.
---Madison on 2/13/06


Emcee. Transubstantiation is a false doctrine because Jesus instituted Lords Supper before his blood was shed and body broken! He spoke of His blood being shed, which was still yet future. This proves it was a symbol. Transubstantiation is a false doctrine because Jesus is not a liar. In the early CC history, the Church itslef view the Bread and wine as symbols. Not the the real blood and flesh of JC.
---Ramon on 2/13/06


Emcee. "You wanted to know about the mass I have supplied you with details & for the benefit of those who acertain that the mass is crucifying Jesus over & over again this is untrue" No its true. You are eating and drinking Jesus Christ (Which is unbibical), thats "recrucifying Christ". The Roman Catholic Church view the Mass as a"re-sacrifice" of Jesus Christ for our sins. So now EMCEE you are going agaisnt the CC? The CC view it as "Resacrifice" of Jesus Christ.
---Ramon on 2/13/06


Madison:: You wanted to know about the mass I have supplied you with details & for the benefit of those who acertain that the mass is crucifying Jesus over & over again this is untrue & a misconception it the minds of people who have not taken the time to learn but just follow like blind sheep, what some of Satans henchmen have propagated.

Moderator - If one is eating and drinking Jesus Christ, please explain again how that isn't recrucifying Christ each Mass?
---Emcee on 2/13/06


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Mike:: All Rcc& I worship The same God who created Heaven & earth & died for Our Sins & left us to Follow ALL his teachings as he ordained under the guidance of his Universal church,Not break away man made own conception denominations of what they believe to be true,with each ones own Interpretations.God is the head NOT man & what he percieves to be true.
---Emcee on 2/13/06


The only issue here that really concerns me is the spoken belief that " 'x' will send you straight to hell." God is loving and full of mercy. He is far from standing ready to condemn. He seeks to free all men from the condemnation of death. I feel it is often a perverse sense of power that drives some men to stand ready to pronounce another's ready demise. Love one another! satan stands day and night before God to accuse and condemn. Don't you feel that's more than enough?
---Jonny on 2/13/06


Emcee: I never said the God of the Bible was telling you lies. If you believed the God of the Bible, you would not participate in Mary worship or insist that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. Who you obey is the Pope and the teachings of a man in Rome. The lies you believe come from Rome and not the Bible.
---Madison on 2/13/06


3/ I have lived in Italy, in fact in Rome, and know that what Americans get is different to the Europe. A major cult in Italy is Il Santo Bambino, the Holy Baby. This is in fact prayer to Jesus as a baby boy, believe it or not. Aracoeli church in Rome is one of the centres of this abomination.
---mike6553 on 2/13/06


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I missd this blog, so its taken me a while to catch up.
1/ Transubstantiation, the correct term for the mass, has no basis in the only other theology with any validity: the Orthodox church. As they can prove direct links to the apostles, specifically Paul, they should be listened to.
2/ Emcee, you asked me a leading question n another blog, and I will return the favour: who do you truty serve, Mary or the Creator?
---mike6553 on 2/13/06


Madison, I too was offended for you that Emcee would judge you so harshly and demean your character. He may have an idea most did that,but lumping people together and judging them by the group is so wrong. There is no such thing as an all. Alan good for you for standing up for her. Emcee what you said had no love in it at all ,plain old judgmental. Seems out of character for you to be so mean to a lady.
---Darlene_1 on 2/13/06


Emcee. Its your choice wither or not you want to accept the fact that the CC is full of lies. The truth lies within scripture. Its your choice if you want to continue following men doctrines. Why dont you want to accept the bible just the way it is?
---Ramon on 2/13/06


Emcee. I was talking about those who involve with RCC. Emcee, you cant deny that the RCC follow God and men. The truth lies within scripture. The only thing im trying to do and others is to tell you the LIES the CC have. Is that wrong? You need to accept the truth. You can believe what you want but the bible will always be there letting you know the truth. Wither you want to accept it or not. Now where do false doctrines comes from? I know where it comes from, do you?
---Ramon on 2/13/06


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Emcee. I was talking about those who involve with RCC. Emcee, you cant deny that the RCC follow God and men. The truth lies within scripture. The only thing im trying to do and others is to tell you the LIES the CC have. Is that wrong? You need to accept the truth. You can believe what you want but the bible will always be there letting you know the truth. Wither you want to accept it or not. Now where do false doctrines comes from?
---Ramon on 2/13/06


Madison ::The disparaging remark, for which I even told you was offered as a mode of Love in Christ is being magnified. But I guess its ok for you to maligtn me in my Beliefs quoting that the same God in His church is telling me lies. How do you know what my acceptance of my Faith is when you dont know about it, as was evident when you replied what is mass.Peace.
---Emcee on 2/12/06


Alan: I appreciate your defense of me. I was truly insulted by Emcee's disparaging remark about my motivation for leaving the Catholic Church. I was seeking a true relationship with Christ when a Christian friend invited me to her church. I thank God for answering my prayers in leading me away from the Catholic church.

I only pray that Emcee would see the lies he has been deluded into believing and turn away from that church and accept Christ's death once for all.
---Madison on 2/12/06


Ramon ::You are entitled to your opinions even if they are wrong.Catholic means Universal& as for the devil I do not entertain him so I would not Know.Its Gods words that do what we as Catholics follow some erring some unerring.but we do not condemn other faiths,as because your faith may be your Folly.So its your choice.
---Emcee on 2/12/06


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Madison:Christ is present in 4 ways in the mass;In the people ,in the word in the priest& in the Eucharist.Christ becomes wholly present under the presence of Bread & wine which are changed by holy scripture( (Not Tradition)The mass is the peoples offering & adoration to Jesus as also the priest. the words of the priest are in the Plural "WE have this bread to offer" we have this wine to offer, we proclaim your glory, we come to you, we do this in memory of You. Mass is a prayer of the people.
---Emcee on 2/12/06


Emcee ... as you know I have argued against the insults that have been hurled against you and the RCC. But I think you now have been offensive to Madison, What evidence have you that she wanted a rip-roaring time and no confession?
I have known many a Catholic who has had a rip-roaring time (and more) on and over a Saturday night, because he thinks the confession next day will make it all OK. They clearly misunderstood what they had been taught.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


Madison :: Let me elucidate why we celebrate The sacrafice of the mass. 1. Jesus offering himself to his father in reparation for our sins, which was pleasing to him.
The mass is a sacrament of love & adoration, a sign of Unity ,a bond of Charity ,a paschal banquet in which christ is eaten, the heart is filled with GRACE & a pledge of future glory is given to us. Attending Mass is a sure sign of adoring & worshiping God. attending mass we also ask forgivenes,thank God & petetion him for our needs.TBC
---Emcee on 2/12/06


Emcee. Please Catholic dont follow everything that jesus said. If they did, they would not be "Catholic". Catholic follow both Men and the Bible. Am im wrong to say this? Tradtions are lies from the Devil. The bible said that "The word" is the only Authority, why cant Catholic accept this fact. Its it because there are in a stage of denial? Please Emcee, saying that Catholic follows everything Jesus said, is a lie from the devil.
---Ramon on 2/12/06


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-Nellah. Yup thats what the priest said. He have to be a supernatural being in order to change the wine and blood into the autual body and blood of JC. This doctrine is nowhere found in Scripture"s. Rather scripture saids something eles. But RCC dont want to accept the truth. Right! I say Run-Run and never look back!.
---Ramon on 2/12/06


I wasn't saying a priest could change wine and bread into the blood and body. I've never heard this before. I was only stating according to scripture, we take wine and bread in remembrance of Christ. If a priest claims he can change wine/bread, I say run and run as fast as you can.

Moderator - Yes, that is the claim of Priests.
---Nellah on 2/12/06


Moderator;;The quote was from scripture & not tradition,you are using that as a ploy to dicredit the Quote, as because you say, as all others, how can an Priest turn Wafer & wine into the Body & blood Of Jesus & I say because he Jesus & God & can & has & asks us to do so HE is God.- No tradition,Jesus's words are NOT goofy interpretations.I am fully aware of what I say & that is why I said it you claim every thing by the book but yet refute when exposed. Catholics believe in Jesus & ALL his teachings.

Moderation - Correction, Catholics believe in the Bible and Tradition. Whenever the two differ, tradition is followed over the Bible. Am I wrong to state that Catholics follow Traditions?
---Emcee on 2/12/06


Mod, you say "Some of the other issues are differences of understanding the scriptures. Many of Emcee's points are based on TRADITIONS not the scriptures, therefore the scriptures will not back up false teachings"
Mod, on the other issues as well, the holders on either side of the discussion say their opponents have FALSE TEACHING (meaning hell-sending).
As on this issue, I think they are wrong to do so.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


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Mod: "Some of the tradition beliefs will send one straight to hell" I was going to say "Which ones" but have opened a new blog!
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


Moderator # 3 So I think the Roman Catholics worship and follow the same Jesus, but in several areas, they do it differently, and I think, erroneously. But as they serve the same Jesus, I accept them as Christians.
I have to admit that I have not ever been a RC so do not know the inside story, but I do know that there is abuse, control and brainwashing & enforced belief, in many non-RC denominations as well.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


Moderator # 2 I believe that the RCC is very much in error in matters of belief and practice, but I have seen no evidence in all the discussions that we have had here, that they do not worship the same Jesus. That, I think, is perhaps the only thing where I do not agree with you, as I agree with all your views on doctrine and practice, except that you think they send the RC to hell.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


Moderator # 1 .You say "If someone serves a different Jesus, are they truely heaven bound? That's not what the scripture states" This should really come in another blog, becasue here we are just talking about eating the B&B, or not, of the same Jesus. At least, the RCs believe it is the same Jesus. It is you, and various others here, who say they do not worship the same Jesus.

Moderator - Correction, it's the scripture that states so.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


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Mod # 3 ... We can see this happening on these blogs about other issues, such as predestination, Sabbath, tithing, Christians sinning, and others. You find the scripture that supports your chosen, or taught, view, and then massage the other scriptures to suit your view. Massage is not the right word, but I can't think of another at the moment.

Moderator - Some of the other issues are differences of understanding the scriptures. Many of Emcee's points are based on TRADITIONS not the scriptures, therefore the scriptures will not back up false teachings. Some of the tradition beliefs will send one straight to hell.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


Mod # 1 You say "If one cross-references the scriptures ... " I would agree with you to the extent that you will be able to cross-reference and fit in the various references to the view you are inclined to hold. So if one is inclined to believing in eating & drinking the B&B, weight can be given to the supporting scripture, and other scriptures can be read to fit in with one's interpretion of that.

Moderator - Not if the scriptures are cross referenced. The scriptures are very clear. Any scripture out of context can give one goofy interpretation. Emcee's belief is from TRADITION not the scripture. Either he doesn't know this or not revealing.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/12/06


Alan , I didn't say anyone was blaspheming anything. I gave the Word of God, there is only one blasphemey it's against the Holy Ghost. Emcee you've read something I didn't say. I didn't deny Jesus or HG, I reject B&B becomes real flesh-blood . Jesus meant taking sacrament as a rememberance of His scarifice. He separated the HG from Himself .John16:7,10 - expedient for you that I go away, if I go not away the Comforter will not come-.-ye will see me no more. He prayed the Father to send the HG/Comforter.
---Darlene_1 on 2/12/06


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