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Faith Needed To Be Healed

Last night I attended a healing service, where there was much talk concerning Faith that the one being healed should have. How much faith do you think Malichus had for his healing? When Jesus healed his ear. Luke 22:51

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I use the King James version of the Bible. And I know the man's name because I just founded it in John chapter18 verse 18.
---mima on 12/19/07

I don't think Malichus had time to have faith to have his ear healed. Peter cut it off and Jesus put it straight back on. The pain would have been too much for him to be thinking about having faith for anything.
---Helen_5378 on 5/13/07

the only faith that is needed is the faith of the person who is praying, that person must have enough faith to pray or lay hands or anoint with oil, It is only God who heals and only the faith of Jesus that God will accept,with what measure you mete it shall be measured unto you again, those who act in faith are given more faith, those who do not what faith they have will be taken and given to those who use their faith.
---exzucuh on 5/12/07

Sue...i think we have faith that God will change us...if you go get prayer for healing...Have faith, but dont have faith just for the physical healing...but that you will be blessed in someway...thats how i'm learning to pray for others for healing...not just so that their healed physically but to be touched by God...and God likes to do that w/ phsyical healings as well
---mark_B. on 5/12/07

SO, we shouldn't really have faith in the 'healing' but faith in that God will be in charge and that the best possible outcome will happen...right?
---sue on 5/12/07

We have faith because we love Jesus no matter the outcome. Now, even myself still need some growth in this area. You know the scripture. "Everything works out for the good". We simply have to believe that Jesus knows what He is doing. Sometimes God chooses not to heal. He may even let you die. He will always give you strength, if you keep your eyes on Him. And it'S always "Thy will be done", not ours!
---catherine on 5/11/07

I think that this was a way of passing the buck if the healing did not work. There are many "faith healers" that are frauds and few if any true healings resulting from them, although many apparent healings that either do not last or were not authentic.

There have been miraculous cures in modern times, but often not in tent or stadium.
---lorra8574 on 5/11/07

Sue: It takes faith to move the hand of God. Without faith, you can't please God. God does not heal everyone. In the bible, Jesus only healed a few sick folk because of hinderance around him. Hinderance can stop God from moving. It is faith that heals. The woman with the blood issue. Jesus told her that her faith healed her. I'm having trouble with my one kidney. I am expecting a healing. If a person doesn't expect healing from God, they won't get it one.
---Rebecca_D on 5/11/07

The Bible says, Without faith, it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must believe that He is God, and a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6).

Expectation is the key to receiving from God when you pray. Jesus said in Mark 11:24, Whatsoever things you desire when you pray, believe you receive them and you shall have them.
---Rachel on 5/11/07

Believe you receive when you pray. What good does it do to pray without expecting to receive? You might as well not pray at all, for faith is required to receiving what you desire.

God will do His part when we pray, but we must also do our part. Our part is simply to believe. People ask God, but never really believing what they are praying for will come to pass. You can tell by the way they talk, or act.
---Rachel on 5/11/07

Most people have been raised to not believe in a positive outcome concerning anything, or believe in a negative outcome. It's a safety mechanism that says, "Don't get your hopes up, so if it doesn't work out, you won't be disappointed."

There's no logic in that because you will be disappointed anyway. It's normal to feel disappointment. It's what you do with the feelings of disappointment that's important.
---Rachel on 5/11/07

Expectation is the key to receiving from God when you pray. If you are not going to expect God to act, then don't pray at all. It's ineffective and displeases Him when you don't believe. Remember, Hebrews 11:6 says, Without faith, it is impossible to please God."

God will do His part when you pray, but only if, you do your part, and that is simply to believe.
---Rachel on 5/11/07

Doubt and unbelief can stop your healing. We must continue to have faith in God even when He does not heal us the way we feel He should. God moves by His own Spirit and in His time. Not ours. This is what you need to know beloved. Spare yourself a lot of pain and disappointment. It is according to your faith but God heals when and how he wants to. Regardless of what, keep praising Him even through the pain. Never doubt God! Never! Beloved
---Robyn on 5/11/07

I have a question: If I'm sick, why should I have faith? It doesn't look like it's the faith that heals because some people have great faith and they're not healed and some are. So why have faith to be healed at all?
---sue on 5/11/07

I'm not even sure that Malchus had any faith prior to his healing. He was one of the people there to capture Jesus. But, after being healed, I believe he knew that Jesus wasn't just a man, that He was the Son of God:)
---Claudia on 5/10/07

None whatsoever I would think but how do you know his name was Malichus? Which version of the bible do you read.
---M.A. on 4/22/07

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pt 2, "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
---douglas on 2/1/06

John was thirteen and in treatment for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. He loved the scriptures and could often be found reading the Bible on his own or having someone else read to him. One night when he was too weak to read, he asked his mother to take over for him where he had left off, in the second chapter of Ephesians. After about halfway through the chapter she decided to ask him what stood out so farhe replied, That workmanship verse" or verse 10, which reads,
---douglas on 2/1/06

pt 2 : Word faith preachers preach that sickness and poverty is always due to either sin of lack of faith. How big is a mustard seed? Pretty small.
Jesus had neither wealth nor riches the disciples surely didn't so I guess they all had sin or lack of faith?
Word faith preach their message for the purpose of making lots of money.
---douglas on 2/1/06

John, sometimes in the scripture sickness was due to sin, but sometimes it wasn't:

Joh 9:1 As he was walking along, he observed a man who had been blind from birth.
His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that caused him to be born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned. This happened so that the works of God might be revealed in him.
---douglas on 2/1/06

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.Rickey; "thorn- skol'-ops 4647"- withered at the front, that is is a point or prickle(figuratively a bodily annoyance or disability):thorn
infirmities From G772; feebleness (of body or mind); by implication malady; moral frailty: - disease, infirmity, sickness, weakness.
Some people are sick or crippled and they DO glory in what the Lord is doing through them because of the sickness. Lots of people come to Christ because of their testimonies.
---douglas on 2/1/06

Some say that the devil cannot hear our prayers so should we pray silently BUT rebuke him out loud?
---emg on 2/1/06

Douglas. The word faith people are just telling it like it is. It is scriptural that sin and unbelief are some key reasons for not being healed or saved. They are just saying the same thing as Jesus.
---john on 1/31/06

Douglas if you read the entire context of 2Corinthians 12 you'll see that Paul's thorn in the flesh wasn't sickness it was pursecution. Would you ever find a person glorying or boasting about being sick? I sure wouldn't.
---Rickey on 1/31/06

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Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit, 1 Cor 12:9. Without faith it is impossible to please God. The way I see it, you bless God, he will bless you. God tells us to stand firm on his word and believe.
---Rebecca_D on 1/31/06

Faith is required when we ask anything of God. But I think it is wrong to assume that it is His will for everyone to be healed(physically) as alot of fellow believers believe. Paul was told no, and in todays time there are many people who have not recieved healing in the body, Joni Toda Ericson for one and what a testimony she has. I have heard preachers of the word faith movement say that if you do not recieve healing or wealth etc. it is because of a lack of faith or living in sin.
---douglas on 1/31/06

Mark 2:3-5 I agree in something you must have faith. The Bible say Jesus saw their Faith. The Faith of the men that lower the one sick of the palsy down thru the roof where He was preaching.
---gwend8433 on 1/31/06

In 3John 2 it applies to every believer, the only ones who have it are those who lay hold of it. We, as the just(or declared righteous), must and are required to live by faith.(Habakkuk 2:4; Hebrews 11:6)
---Rickey on 1/31/06

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God is Sovereign in that He is God all by Himself, but He can't do anything that He wants to do. If He did He would be breaking the law. For instance, God can't sovereignly say this person has to get saved & I will force them to. No, we all have a free-will. Same with healing. He can't choose who He wants to be healed and deny someone else.
---Rickey on 1/31/06

If a born-again believer doesn't use their faith to get healed then they will remain sick. God wants all to be healed(3John2); but folks aren't healed because they don't use their faith to get what already has been supplied for them.(Hebrews 11:6; 1Peter 2:24). It's scriptural not my opinion. God is no respector of persons.
---Rickey on 1/31/06

I don't agree that the soldiers fell back becaue of their faith at all. Rather I see it as a spiritual good vs evil, light vs dark reaction.
As for the healing, God is soverign. If he wants to heal somebody he can - faith or not.
---Bruce5656 on 1/31/06

It is possible that you a lying spirit. Do alot of praying and alot of resisting the devil. The Devil is the father of all lies. That isn't saying that you are full of the devil. It is good that you see and admit that you have such a problem. Pray and seek God as much as you can, and whenever satan comes around, before you say anything out loud, rebuke satan. The only power he has is what you give him.
---Rebecca_D on 1/31/06

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Dear Amy:
In the past I have had much trouble with lying. Most of my lies consisted of exaggerations usually concerning myself. In prayer I asked the Lord Jesus to remind me before I spoke lies and this has been a big help to me. Have I reached perfection? No! But a 99% improvement has taken place.
---mima on 1/31/06

DoryLory, no problem. On his teaching he basically talks about the samething discussed here.
---Rickey on 1/31/06

I am a christian who lies alot and I want to know how to come back to my christian life.
---Amy on 1/31/06

I just looked up Keith Moore's website and saw that he has a teaching cassette called "Malchus' Ear" available for purchase. Do a Google search for "Moore Life Ministries" and navigate to his on-line store. Thanks Rickey! Thanks also, Eloy ... that was interesting!
---DoryLory on 1/31/06

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Mike. Never mind about chnging one letter. How about changing the whole name? Like Jacobus. The translators changed that one to James. Totally incorrect hey?
---john on 1/31/06

This is a good example of the controversy that can be raised by changing one letter from the Bible. Now, imagine the turmoil you can cause by changing 3 or 4 words.
-- KJV reader in georgia --
besides giving all the e-sword searchers a fit.
---mike on 1/31/06

Thanks everyone for that help. This is what I like about ChristiaNet, I learn something new virtually everytime I come on the site.
---M.A. on 1/31/06

John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
---John on 1/31/06

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I can tell you this much, Without faith, there is no God. - rock solid in georgia -
---mike on 1/31/06

M.A. --Mima spelled the name wrong it is Malchus and you can find this in Jn 18:10. a simple mistake but vs 10 gives you this man's name.
---Rebecca_D on 1/31/06

The name MALCHUS is shown in John 18 verse 10. Peter cut off his ear. KLV NEB NIV
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/31/06

Mima I cannot find that name in John 18:18 in ANY version of the bible. What was the correct reference? I've found the name Malichus using a concordance but not in reference to what you raise in your question.
---M.A. on 1/31/06

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He had great faith to the point of falling down backward: Jesus said, "Whom seek you all? They answered, Jesus of Nazareth. He said to them, I am. As soon as he said I am, they went backward and fell to the ground." John 18:4-13. Afterwards, Simon Peter struck off the ear of the high priest's servant. And Jesus said he could call legions of angels to slay the guards and pharisees, but then how would his mission fulfill to be arrested, crucified and resurrected. So he healed the servant's ear.
---Eloy on 1/31/06

Mima; Jn 18:18 doesn't say anything about this man's name. vs 18 says that the servants and the officers stood outside getting warm, then asked Peter if he was one of Jesus' diciples, Peter denyed him the first time. VS 10 says his name is Malchus. But I beleive this man had no faith in Jesus, because he didn't really didn't know what faith was. Jesus done this, to show him who he was, and that he meant no harm. Jesus heals for various reasons, and he doesn't heal for various reasons.
---Rebecca_D on 1/30/06

You know what? This is a great question! I just wish I had an answer for you. Jesus obviously had faith because He believed in Himself but it bother's me to think that He used His faith to heal some while others had to have their own faith. Wouldn't that be favoritism? Or, perhaps there is a difference between Jesus' ministry at that time and the ministry of the Holy Spirit today? I don't know. I'm anxious to see how others respond to this. Great question, Mima!
---DoryLory on 1/30/06

Sometimes we have to fight to get what we want.(Mark 11:12) We, as the violent, must take what is rightfully ours by force, violence, & faith in the Word. We have an adversary who comes to steal, kill, & destroy your health, life, etc. So we, as the righteousness of God must put on the whole armour of God & fight the good fight of faith.(2Corinthians 10:3-6)
---Rickey on 1/30/06

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Second we must lay hold on the promise that God has already done it.(IPeter 2:24) God has already done His part! It's on us now to lay hold of the promise through faith and patience.(Hebrews 6:12)
Another part of SALVATION is deliverance from the power of darkness.(Colosians 1:13)
Pray Colossians 1:9-14 over yourself and you'll see it in your life.
---Rickey on 1/30/06

So first of all we must know that it is Gods will for all to be healed.(3John2)
As a matter of fact it is included in "SALVATION". The grk. word for salvation is "soteria" and it means perserveranc, prosperity, deliverance, safety, health. So we must know it.(Hosea 4:6; 2Timothy 2:15)
---Rickey on 1/30/06

Since faith comes by hearing, we must speak the Word only to get the results we need in our lives. Another way folks get healed is by laying on of hands.(Mark 16:18) We are to lay hands on our ownself and we will recover. That is simply extended your faith to get what you need.
---Rickey on 1/30/06

There are several ways to get healed. Jesus showed in His ministry, but they all depended on the faith of the person wanting to be healed. For instance, the woman with issue of blood. Jesus didn't touch her, she touched Him & extended her faith & got what she wanted. We are to do the same. Another example is the Centurion, He just needed Jesus to "SPEAK THE WORD ONLY".
Our healing is in the power of our tongue or in the words we speak.(Proverbs 18:21; Mark 11:23)
---Rickey on 1/30/06

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For "teens" in Christ: they use the faith they have from the word & sometimes joined w/ a person mature in faith.(Hebrews 5:14)
For adults in Christ they use their faith alone and get healed.
---Rickey on 1/30/06

Have you ever heard of Keith Moore? He taught about Malichus and how Jesus healed him. I know it does require faith to get healed.(Hebrews 11:6) It takes faith the size of a mustard seed.
For babes in Christ: they use the faith they have joined w/ someone with mature faith.(Hebrews 5:12-13)
---Rickey on 1/30/06

I don't know why God heals some and others He does not. I do know if it is His will, He will heal. He healed me thru the skillful hands of a surgeon.
---shira on 1/30/06

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