THE SABBATH in the NEW TESTAMENT
Jesus warned of events 40 years after the cross
"Mat24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, stand in the holy place..Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes..pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on THE SABBATH DAY" |
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---SeventhSeal on 4/9/08 |
Samuel - all your arguments are very weak, & do not support keeping the OT sabbath.
While you can say Jesus observed the Sabbath, He was Jewish and redeemed us from the law, distinctly Jewish(Gal. 4:4f).
Paul taught at the synagogues on Sabbaths was the means used to spread the gospel. If the Jewish community would have met on Mondays, he would have met with them on Mondays.
Hebrews 4 merely states those who believed have entered God's rest as depicted by the OT Sabbath. (4:3) |
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---Lee on 4/8/08 |
We can point to the exmple of JESUS in keeping the Sabbath and telling us how to keep and and what the day is for.
We can point to Paul meeting with Gentiles on the Sabbath. We can point to the fact no other day is given to replace the Sabbath and the pharisees who joined the church did not argue with Paul about it.
We can point to the Sabbath shown in Hebrews 4 as being for us and a little bit of Heaven now. YOu make it a sin to keep Sabbath on what basis to you do that Lee? |
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---Samuel on 4/8/08 |
Gordon: Almost Agree
2Ki17:37 "STATUTES, and ORDINANCES, and LAW, and the COMMANDMENT, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do"
There are STATUTES, ORDINANCES, LAW and COMMANDMENT
Col2:14 "Blotting out the Handwriting of ORDINANCES that was against us..took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"
Ordinances refer to Feasts and not to Clean and Unclean. Noah knew what was safe to eat and what was unhealthy (Ge7:2) long before Ordinance of Sacrifice |
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---SeventhSeal on 4/8/08 |
Lee: Commandments not in New Covenant?Read: Rev 22:14 to the obedient christians: "Blessed are they that do his commandments,that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in thru the gates into the city: To the disobedient like Lee: V15 for without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers and murderers etc whoever love n make a lie. |
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---pop on 4/8/08 |
Lee: Get a KJV study bible: Schoolmaster is the laws of ordinances which God gave to Israel to prepare them for Christ's coming..then done away at the cross when He died..cos Christ bcame the Sacrificial Lamb of God .. so no more killing of animals for your sins..Get to know the bible well Lee..or are you playing dumb or just plain defiant and against God's ways. |
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---pop on 4/8/08 |
explain to us Lee what the NEW COVENANT IS and WHAT BROUGHT THE NEW COVENANT ABOUT AND TO WHOM IS IT GIVEN? dont dodge the issue Lee..were waiting.. |
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---pop on 4/8/08 |
Only Jesus can save, the law is not sufficient. However, breaking the law can condemn you when you know that Jesus wanted it kept, because he did everything his Father told him. He followed the Laws. The only difference was he put Love above the laws. |
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---frances008 on 4/7/08 |
Samuele - *Galations 5 refers to things from the OT that are agaisnt the law which we are not to do.
One such thing was circumcision as such would make Christ of no advantage to you. (Gal. 5:2)
The act was the means by which a convert became a Jew and once a Jew would be obligated to observe all the OT law,including observing the Sabbath(s), dietary laws, etc. things Christ redeemed us from (Gal. 4:4,5) |
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---Lee on 4/7/08 |
I have no problems with Galations. The law cannot save me. Galations 5 refers to things from the OT that are agaisnt the law which we are not to do.
You have a problem with Romans especially romans 3,31 which says the law is established. |
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---Samuel on 4/7/08 |
Geoff - a covenant is like a Will in that previous editions are considered null, void or obsolete.
The New Covenant replaced the Old (granted the Old is useful for instruction & understanding of the New), the Old has been declared obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).
And there is no Sabbath commandment for the church mentioned in the New Covenant. I fail to understand your allegiance to a system that teaches otherwise. You can only point to OT verses as you have no support for your views in the NT. |
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---lee on 4/7/08 |
Lee, the problem is not that we are under the NC. You raise a "strawman" argument for no one here disputes this fact. Your problem is that you reject the distinction between the 10 Commandments and the Ceremonial Law, including:
1. The 10 are distinct & prominent-Ex 34:28, Dt 10:4, 5:22, 4:13-14,
2. The two had distinct physicalities-Ex 25:16, Dt 31:9, 24-26
There's more evidence. Can you handle it? |
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---Geoff on 3/30/08 |
*The purpose of the Law is to define sin.
More accurately the law was our schoolmaster or guardian until we could in Christ be justified by faith. And once that is accomplished, the law has served its purpose.
Gal.3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Adventists have problems with Galatians as they insist upon compliance to selected OT laws! |
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---Lee on 3/28/08 |
The purpose of the Law is to define sin. Not to save us. The law is the mirror we hold up to see what needs to change in our life. Love brings us to obey the last six and love brings us to obey the first four.
Let us follow the example of JESUS. |
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---Samuel on 3/28/08 |
Gordon - * But, the Laws that are STILL IN EFFECT are the Beloved "10 Commandments".
If they are still in effect - and we can all accept basic morality - why then does the Scripture speak of the 10 commandments as the ministry of death or condemnation (2Cor.3:7,9) and why does it state one must live not by law but by faith alone (Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:23)?
Perhaps the problem is you fail to differentiate between the Old & New Covenant, preferring instead to merge them into one? |
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---Lee on 3/28/08 |
Simone, This a EXCELLENT QUESTION. The Truth is that it was the Ceremonial Mosaic laws that were done away with. These laws consisted of the ritual of Circumcision, Dietary laws of clean and unclean meats, cleaning procedures, etc. But, the Laws that are STILL IN EFFECT are the Beloved "10 Commandments". Which, it just so happens, contain GOD's Direction for His people to observe the 7th Day Sabbath. It is a HOLY Day of each week. Regardless of how much the Sunday Church opposes it. |
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---Gordon on 3/28/08 |
Nana, well said.
Greg, no wonder you are floundering around like a ship without a rudder. |
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---frances008 on 3/28/08 |
No one IS JUSTIFED by 'law', so God sent His son, AND THEN, God left us His spirit (so that we can learn JUST behavior and attitudes/LOVE by teaching us GODLY behavior/attitudes IF we choose to "WALK BY THE SPIRIT" Galatians 5:16 and 25, but we have to LIVE BY the "SWORD OF THE SPIRIT" Ephesians 6:17, not by the "WORD OF TRUTH" 2 Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6. The word of truth is only the introductory doctrine of Christ (Hebrews 6:1). |
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---greg on 3/27/08 |
Lee, I still love you although you never answered my Q:
Lee, I would like to destroy your premise for not keeping the 4th Commandment, that it is not mentioned in the NT. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that it is in the NT, but even if it weren't mentioned, how can you justify breaking it. If you will, please list the other 9 in the NT. It is a terrible mistake to try to segregate the OT & NT when Jesus brings them together-Mt 19:8, Lk 24:27.
---Geoff on 8/30/06 |
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---Geoff on 3/27/08 |
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---jennifer on 3/27/08 |
nana - very good. You are near if not on the bullseye on the issue of Sabbath keeping, but you will find yourself being judged & condemned by the Sabbath keepers who clearly believe selected OT laws are applicable to the New Covenant church.
True, we must love even those that we can see are wrong on the basis of Scripture. |
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---Lee on 3/27/08 |
operator 1,
I have no issue with the ten commandments. I believe that
whomever does the things they say to do and abstains from
all the things they say to abstain from, that a man is pleasing
to God. What I have issue with is the camp that says that
there is no law for they throw out the baby with the bath
water... |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 2,
As for the hyper-lawful camp, I have issue with them, for
they too throw out the baby with the bath water in that
they get carried away trying to enforce "laws" not
applicable to Gentiles. My main issue with these lies on the
subject of the "Sabbath". I do not observe such day, nor
that is requirement. However, if a man observes it and
encourages others to do so, let it be done in peace and
kindness and for the glory of God. |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 3,
Now my take on the Law: The law was, is and will forever
stand. Through Moses the law came from God to show
man what was required of him and what limitations he was
to maintain in the excercise of his freedom. Moses said,
Deuteronomy 31:26: "Take this book of the law, and put it
in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your
God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 4,
Deuteronomy 31:27:"For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff
neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have
been rebellious against the LORD, and how much more after
my death?" So it was that the law was placed in the ark to
the shame of the people who violate it and it was read after
every 7 years for remembrance. |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 5,
Moses said, "that it may be there for a witness against thee."
and what did Paul say, better yet, what did he mean in all his
expounding on the Law? I Timothy 1 is an excellent source
to answer that question. We all accept that the word of God
is ONE, that contradictions come from interpretations and
not from God, so Paul must agree with Moses... |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 6,
Paul said,
I Timothy 1:5:"Now the end of the commandment is charity out
of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain
jangling, 7: Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding
neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8: But we know
that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully," |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 7,
I Timothy 1:9: "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a
righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly
and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers
and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10: For whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for
liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is
contrary to sound doctrine, " |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 8,
I Timothy 1:11: "According to the glorious gospel of the blessed
God, which was committed to my trust." Is that true? Sure it is
and it agrees with the saying of Moses. To the Christian who says
the Law is abolished, yet they confess with their lips that they are
sinners, look at what Paul says in I Timothy 1:9_10. There is a
law that witnesses against you! |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 9,
To Sabbath Keepers Jesus said, John 7:24 "Judge
not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
and Mark 2:27: And he said unto them, The sabbath was made
for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28: Therefore the Son of
man is Lord also of the sabbath." Is a day of rest: "that thy
manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.", and
"And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt"
Deut 5:14_15. |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
operator 10,
One last thing about the law: Violators Will Be Prosecuted".
Hehe, Paul did not tolerate licentiousness:
I Timothy 1:19: "Holding faith, and a good conscience, which
some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have
delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." |
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---Nana on 3/27/08 |
You decide to live under the "law of liberty" (James 1:25 and 2:12) like we are supposed to or the "law of commandments" that has been abolished just as the law of ordinances was abolished also (Ephesians 2:15). Without these laws against sin, "sin lies dead".
"walk by the SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25) and "HEAR" the "sword of the spirit" (Ephesians 6:17). Read the "WORD OF TRUTH" (2Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6). |
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---greg on 3/26/08 |
pop - Very clearly from 2 Cor.3:7,9,the 10 commandments are the ministry of death (craved in letters on stone) or condemnation and you do not want to live under that system but under the more glorious ministry of the Spirit which replaced it.
Read & study that section of Scripture if you really want to come into the truth rather then depend upon your own efforts to be righteous. |
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---Lee on 3/26/08 |
Nana:613 laws..we are talking about the Ten Commandments of God..not the 613 Civil Laws or the Ceremonial Laws that were done away at the cross..The Ten C are a transcript of God's charactere remember..it is a manual for righteous living which God gave us humans to go by..if you say thats done away, then there should never be any sin today..as it is, sin abounds. where theres no sin, then law is not required. isnt it??:? there are 3 different laws, 10C, 613Civil Laws, Cer/laws |
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---operator on 3/26/08 |
Lee you use Roman 14 very loosely and wrongly..4the commandment is part of the ten and Christ is the Law/the Word made flesh John 1:1,2,14..these ten laws a transcript of Christ's character we need to conform to to be LChristllike...unless you want to be some other..where in scripture does it say 4th command is not in N.T. or not moral law..you cant answer that cos it does not say it |
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---pop on 2/29/08 |
1)
"If you want to keep the Law, you must keep all 613 of them,
or be under the curse.
---Michelle on 2/15/08" |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
2)
It does not appear to be so. Luke 16:16: "The law and the
prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God
is preached, and every man presseth into it." Does that mean
there are no rules in this kingdom? Not so, Matthew 7:12:
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do
to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the
prophets." |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
3)
Is that it? No it is not. Matthew 22:35: "Then one of them,
which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and
saying, 36: Master, which is the great commandment in the law?"
God's commandments are LAW. As for "613" or however
many, "and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,
judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and
not to leave the other undone." |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
4)
Jesus had no issue with the observance of the laws by the scribes
and the Pharisees, "these ought ye to have done" (Matt 23:23).
His issue was with their non compliance with "the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith". Christians that are
always talking against what they call the "law" have no clue
about those "weightier matters", like where is "mercy" and "faith"
in the law. |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
5)
Back to the "613" again. In Acts 15:20: "But that we write unto
them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication,
and from things strangled, and from blood. 21: For Moses of old
time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the
synagogues every sabbath day." That, spoken by James on the
subject of the Gentiles. Now, those things accorded to be taught
to Gentiles were laws, where they not? |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
6)
In Verse 21, James accords with the message of Jesus in Matthew
23:23. Paul later agrees with both, Romans 3:29: "Is he the God of
the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles
also: 30: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by
faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31: Do we then make void
the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
7)
What is a Law if not the affirmation, confirmation, and distinction,
of what is desired and to be done from what is not? Paul, in that
regard, did not just taught that limited set of "desired" ticket items
expounded in Acts 15, but rightly so he expanded. In Galatians
5:22_23, he declares some "weightier" matters above any law.
What that says about those things not of that nature? Right you
are! there are laws against such, Galatians 5:19_21. |
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---Nana on 2/20/08 |
Galatians 3:10-14
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse, for it is written,
"Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "The just shall live by faith." |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
Cursed is the one who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
When a Christian, redeemed from the curse of the law by the blood of Jesus, makes the choice to turn back to the Law, that one has walked out from under grace and the blood.
That one must keep all 613 laws in order to try to be justified. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
No one, absolutely no one, has the luxury to select a few laws that they find appealing and add them to the New Covenant.
Once one takes any law unto himself, they are obliged to keep all 613 or be cursed.
No one is justified by the Law in the sight of God. The truth is that people who accept and participate, embracing the Law are told by the Apostle Paul that they are bewitched. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
O foolish Galations, Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
God put an end to the works of the Law, He made it obsolete. Hebrews 8:13
The Law was fulfilled and rendered dead by Jesus Christ.
God's people are being deceived and digging it back up, leading many to defile themselves.
The letter which kills is the letter of the Law. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
Many had difficulty letting go of their traditions in the first Church.
Jesus said in Mark 7:13, "making the Word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down."
Many are again willing to put themselves back under the curse of the Law, with nary a thought of the dire consequences as there were back then. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
Only life in Christ Jesus and Him alone, makes us free from the Law of sin and death.
There is no faith in the Law, only ordinance.
Without faith, it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:6 |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
One is either under grace, justified by faith in the blood of Jesus or under the condemnation of the Law.
It is one or the other. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
If you have picked up the Law, drop it.
Repent, be cleansed from all unrighteousness, and embrace with all of your heart, the New Covenant.
If you want to keep the Law, you must keep all 613 of them, or be under the curse. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
There are churches that exalt the Law while claiming to be Christians and fully in the new Covenant.
It is pervasive now, drawing the Body of Christ back under the Law. It is widely accepted but Christians are not subject to the Old Testament Law. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
In Matthew 16, Jesus said, "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees."
Christians are being told by large Christian platforms to eat according to OT dietary laws, keep the Sabbath, wear prayer shawls, etc.
You may ask, what's the harm?
Condemnation and curse. No one is redeemed by the Law. |
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---Michelle on 2/15/08 |
lee..would you say then that God is wrong and your right? He wrote the 10 commandments..Can you point out to me in the bible where it states " Moral Laws of God done away" Both Laws are clearly identified thruout...I advise you to get a KJV Study Bible..it is more clear than any other I do know you dont like it..but get a study bible with references in margins...or is it too revealing of the truth maybe..study thoroughly |
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---jana on 8/30/06 |
Lee, I would like to destroy your premise for not keeping the 4th Commandment, that it is not mentioned in the NT. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that it is in the NT, but even if it weren't mentioned, how can you justify breaking it. If you will, please list the other 9 in the NT. It is a terrible mistake to try to segregate the OT & NT when Jesus brings them together-Mt 19:8, Lk 24:27. |
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---Geoff on 8/30/06 |
ead your bible again lee..the Morals Laws are not done away..give me a text to say otherwise..your talking about the civil laws, ceremonial laws..read again the cricifixion .. why did He die? and what happend to the curtain that rent ... what does it mean? you should know...7th day Sabbath is 4th of 10 commandment of God..an everlasting 10 commandment Psalm 111:7,8 |
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---jana on 8/27/06 |
jana - '...For if that which is done away was glorious,..." and what was 'done away with' but the Mosaic law itself as it pertained to Israel and the Old Covenant dispensation, not of the church.
The 4th commandment is not a moral law but a ceremonial law - all of which were nailed to the cross. But if you wish to esteem one day over another, you may do that but it is totally optional. Read Romans 14. |
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---lee on 8/24/06 |
Geoff - '...if we love God, we will want to keep the 10 Commandments-Jn 14:15, 21'
I believe that if you were to do a study on John 14:15, 21, you would find that the 10 commandments are not in focus.
You are again reading something into the verse, that is simply not there. John speaks of the commandment to love one another, not of Mosaic law as you wish to believe. |
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---lee on 8/24/06 |
jana - agree with everything you state but you need to realize that the Sabbath observance commandment is strictly a ceremonial commandment and like you stated "the ceremonial laws are abolished...".
If the 4th commandment were a moral law then we most certainly would expect to see sabbath breaking listed as a sin in the New Testament but we do not. See Mk. 7; Romans 1; Gal. 5, and 2 Tim. 3. |
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---lee on 8/21/06 |
Lee, if we love God, we will want to keep the 10 Commandments-Jn 14:15, 21
If we are willfully breaking them we can't fully endorse keeping them, but justify why they can't be kept-Mt 5:19
Jesus kept them perfectly by full dependence on the Father while here on earth & He will make us victorious over sin (breaking the 10Cs-1 Jn 3:4) when living in our hearts-Hebrews 4:15, Jude 1:24 |
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---Geoff on 8/20/06 |
(b) lee V15 "but even unto this day when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. V16 nevertheless, when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." Therefore Lee and others, the ceremonial laws are abolished...not the 10 commandments of God. These Holy commands serves as a guide to righteous living for all mankind perpetually, ongoing, forever...If I kill, will I be wrong? the 10 commands tells me so. |
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---jana on 8/20/06 |
(a)lee, and read on verse 11: "For if that which is done away was glorious, MUCH MORE THAT WHICH REMAINETH IS GLORIOUS" dont you think so? V13and not as Moses which put a vail over his face, that the Israelites could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolishedV14 but their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament which vail's done away in Christ. |
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---jana on 8/20/06 |
"Blessed are they that do his commandments" from the last chapter of Revelation. In fact, not just read, but meditate upon the words of Revelation, the entire book. And for those believing that the church is not going through the tribulation read Rev 22:16, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches." Praying that you and yours have peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health, and many friends to share them with during these end times. |
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---Steven on 8/19/06 |
The Old Testament is the Levitical-Mosaic Law, written in B.C.(before Christ), and we are no longer under that Old Covenant: We are presently bound by the New Testament, Judaic-Messianic Law written in A.D.(anno Domini, in the annual of the Lord). Jesus took the O.T. Law out of the way that was against us, and nailed it to the cross. The O.T. Law written upon stones converted no one, and the N.T. Law found in Christ truly converts all who accept it, giving them a new heart of flesh and a new life of God. |
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---Eloy on 8/19/06 |
Geoff - *Nothing wrong with Sabbath keeping, wearing of purple tassels on garments, or phylacteries.*
True, but in the New Covenant relationship, such things are optional.
As for the Sabbath, have you ever read
Romans 14:5 'One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.'
Yes, you need to keep the sabbath as 'whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.'14:23 |
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---lee on 8/19/06 |
Lee, our relationship with God does not abrogate the law but affirm it. Nothing wrong with Sabbath keeping, wearing of purple tassels on garments, or phylacteries. These don't make us have a relationship with God. The only difference is that not wearing the items doesn't violate our relationship with God, whereas breaking the Sabbath and any of the other 9 Commandments does hurt our relationship with God. Is 58:13, Mt 5:19 Why aren't you more careful about that? |
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---Geoff on 8/10/06 |
Geoff - it appears that you are getting closer to my position as time goes one. We can agree that our relationship should be in Christ - one of the heart instead of the law. That would exclude such ceremonial type laws as the Sabbath commandment, wearing of purple tassels on garments, or phylacteries on the forehead and other obsolete customs or laws strictly Old Covenant. |
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---lee on 8/9/06 |
Lee! I'm amazed. We agree on your comment to A_Servant. The "but" isn't necessary. It has always been about "depending upon our relationship with Jesus"
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God-Ro 2:29
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked-Deut 10:16 |
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---Geoff on 8/9/06 |
a_servant - "All of us who live by faith still need the Law to illuminate our behavior, either demonstrating our love, or our lack of love."
Good comment! But once we realize from the law what sin is and what is expected of us, we can continue onward by faith, depending upon our relationship with Jesus to be a further guide. |
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---lee on 8/7/06 |
3.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Those of us who live by faith no longer need to be brought to Christ. But those yet unborn generations will still need the Law as a schoolmaster.
All of us who live by faith still need the Law to illuminate our behavior, either demonstrating our love, or our lack of love. |
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---a_servant on 8/6/06 |
2.
Regarding Christians, all the Law still functions as a "searchlight uncovering behavior not born of love".
The 2 great commandments are about LOVE. Essentially, sin = not loving. Disobey God = sin = not loving. No charity/respect for man = sin = not loving.
Some statutes have been modifiied, e.g., a.) blood sacrifices and its ceremonial & temple aspects; b.) daily, yearly temple functions; c.) required gatherings at the temple; d.) separate temple courts for men & women. |
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---a_servant on 8/6/06 |
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The purpose of the Law was to show us when we were not operating in love toward God (ceremonial, moral)(C 1-4) & toward man (civil, moral)(C 5-10).
By Jesus acting in love, dying when He did not break the Law, His actions fulfilled the intention of the Law, i.e., always acting in love toward our Father and toward our fellow man.
Fulfilling the intention of the Law does not mean the Law has been eliminated. To the contrary, the Law still proves our sin, still proves our lack of love. |
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---a_servant on 8/6/06 |
Geoff - 'the subject in 2 Cor 3:7-9 is the ministration of death and the comparison is the ministration of condemnation vs the ministration of righteousness.'
Negative! the comparison is the old covenant law - the ministration of death, versu the new covenant, the ministration of the Spirit. Research the commentaries.
The ministry of death written on stone clearly references the ten commandments - given as temporary to Israel until the promise given to Abraham was realized - Galatians 3. |
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---lee on 8/5/06 |
Fred_S, that's powerful (3 purposes of the law). It's not all about us, as some think, it's about Jesus and He wants a relationship with us.
Lee, the subject in 2 Cor 3:7-9 is the ministration of death and the comparison is the ministration of condemnation vs the ministration of righteousness. Rd v11
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
Tell me, what is done away & what remains? What is written & what is engraved? |
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---Geoff on 8/4/06 |
Jana..."not the 10 laws of God that were written by Him on 2 stones....to signify it's permanency"
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2 Cor 3:7-9 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?
For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. |
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---lee on 8/4/06 |
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